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Potomac Falls woman removed from son’s Boy Scout troop

photoFrom left, Jaden Steele, 9, Jackson Steele, 12, and mothers Denise Steele and Jackie Funk, load their plates with tacos for dinner in their Potomac Falls home. The couple has been together for 19 years and say they never encountered major problems with their homosexuality until Denise was removed from a leadership position in Jackson’s Boy Scout troop. Times-Mirror Staff Photos/Beverly Denny

Denise Steele has been living in Loudoun County for more than a decade, becoming involved with the community, especially through being part of her son’s Boy Scout troop for the past six years.

Steele started out in Boy Scouts as a den leader for her son, Jackson, 12, for his school, Horizon Elementary. No other parent would step up to the plate to take on the responsibility of leading a Cub Scout troop.

In retrospect, the situation was probably good – her son’s troop excelled at everything, including accomplishing badges and winning the Blue and Gold Award all five years, one of the highest awards for Boy Scouts.

Above all, like any mother, Steele put her son first and wanted to make sure he had a great time in scouts.

But in June, Steele’s chances to further bond with her son through scouting were dashed.

The mother was removed from the troop after one of the other assistant scoutmasters discovered Steele is a lesbian.

Steele has been in a domestic partnership with Jackie Funk for the past 19 years. The two reside in Potomac Falls with their two children, Jackson and Jaden, 9, and Steele’s nephew Will, 10.

Steele’s homosexuality has never been an issue with her in the past in regards to leading her son’s Boy Scout troop – it may have even opened some eyes to it.

“Some of the guys would come down and ask her advice,” Funk said. “Being a woman, forget about the gay part, it didn’t matter. They respected her for her committment and what she offered and how much she put into it. They respected her.”

Funk describes Steele as an “uber leader” and said that Steele got really into scouting.

“They made it fun and the boys wanted to stay in it. All the boys, except for like two who moved away, they all stayed the whole time. And scouting is just not cool anymore for a lot of people,” Funk explained.

Phil Holliday, the executive pastor at Christian Fellowship Church and Esther Schaeffer, the charter organization representative, say they are simply following the rules.
When a chartered partner agrees to sponsor a scouting unit, an annual charter agreement is signed, they explained.

In the contract, they agree to provide a place for a meeting, select volunteer leaders and follow the policies and guidelines established by the Boy Scouts of America.

“We are simply doing what we agreed to do in our charter,” Schaeffer said.

Finding the right troop

After graduating from Cub Scouts, the next step is to find the right Boy Scout troop. All boys are able to select which troop best fits them instead of being automatically placed based on the schools they attend.

“It’s all boy led, it’s his choice, but you want to make sure you get the right troop,” Steele said. “I wanted to make sure the boys had all the options out there.”

“It was like picking a college. You want to be surrounded by the people that are going to help you,” Funk added.

Steele says she and her son didn’t take into consideration the charter organization that backed the Boy Scout troop.

Boy Scout troops are backed by a charter organization, like a sponsor. Under the charter organization is a committee, the scoutmaster and the assistant scoutmasters of the troup – one of which Steele was striving to become.

The decision was made that Jackson would join Troop 761 – which was chartered by the Christian Fellowship Church, a relatively conservative church.

The Boy Scouts of America organization says it believes that “open homosexuality is inconsistent with the values.” It also recommends that scout parents and sponsors share this belief.

But, Steele still drove forward and as Jackson joined the troop, she completed her training to become an assistant scout leader. The training process to become a scout leader usually takes about a year. Steele completed it in three weeks. 

Steele approached the scoutmaster, Mike Tucker, to inform him of her partnership of nearly two decades with Funk. He told her   there was no problem.

The way Steele and Funk explain it is the reason why her homosexuality was overlooked was due to locality – local organizations can choose to overlook some of the Boy Scouting standards.

Funk says that Steele being a girl has never been an issue, but the Boy Scouts don’t like what Funk calls “the three G’s – the gays, the girls and the Godless.”

The weekend

The issue of Steele being a lesbian didn’t arise until one weekend in June during a camping trip to Assateague Island. The camping trip was from a Saturday to a Monday, and Steele needed to work Monday so she asked Funk to pick her up from the campsite.

After both departed, one of the other assistant scoutmasters, Skip Inabinett, started questioning who the woman was who had picked up Steele.

After discovering that Steele’s partner had picked her up, Inabinett felt that she should be removed as an assistant scoutmaster. In an email that Inabinett sent to a close personal friend of Steele’s and whose son was also in the troop, he stated, “If what you said about Denise Steele being an active sexual is true, do you feel comfortable talking with her about stepping down/resigning as an ASM … as her friend, this may be an opportunity for you to share with her about Christ’s love and the need to believe that as sinners we cannot get to heaven on our own and that we need a savior.”

The removal

More communication between both Steele and Inabinett went on for the next couple of weeks. The conversations centered around how Inabinett thought Steele’s lifestyle choice was a sin.

Funk described the situation between Steele and Inabinett as bullying, and it left Steele crushed and in tears through the many email exchanges.

“But this guy, who’s demonstrated very much a bullying behavior, if boys bullied other boys or girls bullied other girls to get what they wanted the way this guy has bullied her in today’s school system you’d probably get kicked out of school,” Funk said about Inabinett.

To bring up an issue, there are certain steps of going about it starting with the scoutmaster, then up to the committee and committee chair then to the charter organization. But, according to Steele and Funk, Inabinett went straight to the Boy Scouts of America with his complaint to get her removed as an assistant scoutmaster – and it worked.
“He didn’t go through those steps. He skipped over the scoutmaster, he skipped over the committee, he skipped over the district. He went straight to the highest level because that’s where he would get his answer. He went to the highest point to get me removed,” Steele said.

“A lot of our issue is, I mean it is what it is, she is removed, the issue is while she may be removed because he went about getting her removed because of this policy issue. It’s a private organization and they can do what they want,” Funk explained. “And she is no longer allowed to be near these scouts. She can’t go camping with them and she can’t be in a position of participation with them.”

But according to Deron Smith, the director of public relations for the Boy Scouts of America, Steele wasn’t removed from the national council and it may have been a troop decision. Units determine their own membership, Smith said. 

“The [Boy Scouts of America] recognizes that some do not agree with its position on this issue, but values the freedom of everyone to express their opinion and teaches its members to use courtesy and respect at all times,” Smith said in an email. “To disagree does not mean to disrespect. The [Boy Scouts of America] will continue to strengthen common interests, while respecting differences and will focus on its mission and on reaching as many youth as possible in order to help them grow into good, strong citizens.”

Several attempts to contact Inabinett were unsuccessful.

The aftermath

“There is no next step for us. She’s removed permanently. Issues like this get awareness,” Funk said. “The only way the Boy Scouts are going to change is if it impacts your wallet, donations go down because of this or they continue to see a drop of enrollment. At some point, if they recognize that their beliefs and their lack of being open and inclusive is affecting them, eventually that’s going to be the only way they are going to change.”

The big issue both Steele and Funk have with the situation is how it was handled by Inabinett. They both felt bullied, judged and put through emotional turmoil.
“I think it’s disappointing – it’s a sad day for Boy Scouting. I think the actions are really out of sync of what scouting stands for,” Eric Ianson, a friend of Steele’s and an Eagle Scout said.

The scout law says a scout should be trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind and obedient, thrifty, clean and reverent, Ianson said.

“I mean, when the leaders of the troop hear that, how does it feel? Were they loyal to Denise? It certainly wasn’t kind what they’ve done to her,” Ianson continued. “It absolutely isn’t brave. The brave thing to do would be to take a stand here and say this isn’t right, this person has been great to our kids and it’s time to stand up for her and be great for her.”

Even other assistant scoutmasters from Steele’s troop felt it was vindictive, like Joe Leonard.

“I saw that he was vindictive and on a witch hunt because he asked her personal friends what her sexuality was. There’s no business in that. It’s a shame that a good leader for the boys has been removed because of one person who’s eccentric when it comes to his religious belief,” Leonard said. “It’s also a sad not that [Boy Scouts of America] has not or is not willing to entertain what other private organizations have done and their beliefs.”

The future

As for what’s next for Steele and her son, Jackson says he wishes to continue and make it all the way to Eagle Scout.

Steele’s son currently holds 11 merit badges, quite an accomplishment for a 12-year-old.

“Jackson is a very committed scout and doesn’t let his mother’s issue get in the way,” Funk said.

Comments


So, Steele lies on her application to be an ASM (putting in writing that she agrees with BSM policies), hides her sexuality from most of the troop (a tacit admission that she knows it’s incompatible with BSM policies), and joins a troop chartered by a church that has been clear for decades that the practice of homosexuality is a sin - and she’s the “Good Guy” here?  Everyone, including Steele and Funk, know the BSM don’t knowingly allow practicing homosexuals to be in scout leadership. Everyone should know that this church, and pretty much every other evangelical church, mosque, and synagogue, teach that practicing homosexuality is a sin. 
So Steele lies to enter anyway, and then cries foul when she’s found out, and many of you support this.  Wow - the world is turning upside down.  I guess next you will join the Catholic Church and then, years into it, make a stink because they teach birth control is a sin.  Or join a mosque and, after a few years, raise a fuss because you think the 5 Pillars should be optional.  Yeah, let’s join a synagogue and, after deceitfully weeding your way into the lay leadership, we can get some LTM reporter to write up how wronged you were for getting tossed when you made it known you think Abraham was a hoax.
If you think this is about bullying or


Sorry it took me a while to get back in response.  Let’s get the facts straight, homosexual community make up a very small part society.  It’s in fact that this society is tolerant of this small group’s push to be accepted in ALL aspects of society, which I don’t share.  In response to the those who believe I can’t prosecute; you are correct on one thing, I don’t know all of whom have contact with my children.  What I can do is try to protect them the best I can and if I find out about an indivdual(s), I will act appropriately.  I noticed no one mentioned anything about NAMBLA.  There’s an organization that actually do prey on young boys and many of them are homosexual.  For those who claim they are Christian and homesexual, they ARE in conflict.  Homosexuality is an abomination before God, period.  Anyway, I’m not wasting anymore time talking on this subject.  Just remember, if you want to have a Gay/Lesbian BSA/GSA type of organization, it’s a free country, form one.


So our Charter Organization - CFC Esther and Phil have called for an ‘emergency’ Committee meeting…but it’s closed to anyone outside the committee.

Funny, I thought that BSA always had an open door policy and that private meetings weren’t allowed.

Makes you wonder who is running this troop.  BSA or CFC?


Hey Jackie & Denise myself and a bunch of other guys I know think that you two should be able to do whatever you want.  You are really Hot and could make those campouts any Boy Scouts dream!  Now if the situation was reversed, and we’re talking about two men - I’ll be right there with Skip.


You are right it is close minded but it is also realistic.  Oh but I forgot the newbies of Loudoun hate teaching their kids the reality of life.


Actually the school of “Common Sense”.


Well, the straight people of Rivercrest (our WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD), just “let us” help out once again with our amazing 7th Rivercrest Kids Triathlon. Thank goodness our community appreciates goodness, community service and family above all else. This is one of the many ways Denise and I contribute to Loudoun…Rivercrest…and kids. For all of you concerned about the damage we’re doing to our kids and others’...not a reality, just a closed minded, uneducated view of the world.

More than 130 kids participated this year…check out our awesome community event at www.rivercresttriathlon.com.

Signing off now…moving on.


Well BSA Rocks, that was one of the most convincing arguements I think I have ever heard!  You covered all the bases in defending your stance.  You brought character reference points, showed why the opposition’s view is wrong with in depth analysis, you used historical examples to prove your side of the arguement, and you whole heartedly showed me why your viewpoint is the right one.  Hahaha, where did you get your edumacation, the University of BSA or the School of BS?


“Too bad many of you can


Wish my family had had two supporting members like this family, even if both had been gay.  My dad left when mom gave birth to my younger sister.  Even before that, he was always out drinking at the local pub.  It was two weeks before he even saw me after I was born.

I got a guitar on my 15th birthday which made up for never being there for baseball games, birthdays, Christmases, etc.

And you morons (yeah I feel that is the perfect word) are going to bash a family that outwardly shows love and acceptance of their own. 

Too bad many of you can’t accept yourselves it sounds like.


If you really think these kids are never going to be picked on and harassed for their home life you must live in a bubble.  Where homosexuality is more welcome into the community then say 30 yrs ago it is still not completly accepted.  So yes “just sayin” is correct.  These kids are going to have alot to deal with as they get older.  You may accept it.  I may accept.  However there are plenty out there that do not.


Dear “just sayin’”,

“They”? Like they’re a special group? Libertarian maybe? “Bending rules?” Really?

I happen to know the family this article is about, including their children. Their kids are not being “dragged” through anything…and have no more to deal with than anyone else’s kids. They’re well balanced, polite, thoughtful, caring children. Move on…


Where I think most of what “you can’t be serious” wrote is a bit much I would agree with 1 point.  I too am sick to death over homosexuals wanting special treatment.  Rules are rules and thats it.  I can’t understand why they feel rules don’t apply to them or should be bent for them.  Deal with it move on stop dragging your kids thru this.  IMO they already have enough to deal with.


Stirring up drama? Playing victim? Not a chance. You must be Skip’s wife or one of Skip’s few friends. Skip, the former atheist, created the unnecessary drama. Did you ask him how he dared lead scouts while living a lie?

She was open from day one. Fortunately, most people could have cared less. Attention was raised to this unfortunate issue and many eyes were opened. Denise did nothing wrong.


this is ridiculous the boy scouts of America has every right to ban homosexuals from being leaders.  the are supposed to role models for young boys and their behavior is clearly not morally correct.  CFC sponsors them honestly, Denise, how did you think you were going to get away with this because you are not proving anything!!! you are only playing victim and that is not what boy scouts is about. You really need to get your priorities straight.  Boy scouts is not at fault; you knew going into training it was against the rules and you were only stirring up drama! I am not judging anyone here.  I am simply telling people like you to stop asking for special rights and playing victim. I’m just tired of all this crap.


It is only right that Skip Inabinett has been outed as cruel and intolerant.  He did what he did and it cannot be undone.  As always, I wonder why fundamentalist Christians must force all others to live by their narrow standards of “morality” (where tolerance and forgiveness are strangers), even when it is harmful to the community.  They are, in fact, very much like the Taliban in that respect.


Denise-
As a Scoutmaster and a long-time scouter, let me offer my sympathies to you and your family.  After having read the story, I’d like to give my impressions.  Feel free to comment and let me know if I am on target.

The BSA’s policy is in regards to OPEN homosexuality…as in those who express it in a manner to promote it.  Most, if not all of the past court cases have been where the individual was actively promoting their sexual preference publicly.  Sexual preference promotion, whether homosexual, heterosexual, or autosexual is not allowed under BSA guidelines (falling under the definition of morality).  The BSA does, however, state that the Chartered Organization has the ultimate say on who is a leader or a member of the troop.  I believe this is where the blame lies.

Based on what the article states and from your comments, it appears that the pastor was not supportive towards you.  If this was the case, I would be almost certain that it was the Chartered Organization that removed you.  They have this right in that they “own” the troop and have total control of its structure if they desire.

The question here is in regards to what has happened since then.  Had it not gone to press, I would wonder if you could have gone to another troop with a more supportive chartered organization, discussed the matter with them, and sought to have your membership transferred to that troop.  I don’t know where the creation of the article and the (God forbid….) CNN coverage.

Unfortunately, many (if not most) here do not understand the past lawsuits and the policies of the BSA regarding sexual preference.  For what it is worth, from what I have read, I would be honored to have you as an Assistant Scoutmaster in our troop if you lived in our area.

If I am on track, please consider the option I mentioned.


Confirmed.  I work with CNN as a contractor.  It has been picked up by the assignment desk.


Here’s an inside tip.  CNN has wind of this story.  Please stay tuned.


Denise Steele,

I’m so sorry you were treated that way. You sound like a great parent who just wants to be involved her son’s activities.   

Pease keep in mind that the most of us support you. 

Hopefully, the


Do you want to give the Boy Scouts to the “Closed of Heart”?  An organization is people.  There is no business or bottom line. The worst that will happen if boys don


The point is that NOBODY is arguing that they have the right to do it.  It is whether it is RIGHT TO DO.  As someone on TooConservative stated, this can be thought of like the so called Ground Zero Mosque.  Nobody who respects the constitution, could argue the Mosque could be stopped.  But a lot of people protested it out of their belief it should not be done.

This is the same. The BSA has all the right the Supreme court has currently found.  And people are going to protest their use of that right as being a “wrong”.


““The point is irrelevant Mr. Young.”“

Wow- Constant and never ending personal attacks, threats of physical intimidation, bullying and now the constitution is irrelevant. Its amazing the level of radical thinking and actions that you guys are willing to take to try to force your way of life on others. And you call them them the Taliban? What’s next?


The point is irrelevant Mr. Young.  Already brought up and discussed below.


As a private organization, the BSA is perfectly within its First Amendment rights of expressive association to bar homosexuals from positions of leadership. Boy Scouts of America v. Dale. 530 U.S. 640 (2000).

It


Denise,

It is hard to write to you because reading what you wrote nearly brought me to tears.  All I can say, as a Christian and as a Scout is “sorry”.

I am so sorry you were treated this way.  You sound very intelligent and caring and like a great Mom.

I know you know this, but most troops would not care.  I also know your existing troop doesn’t care and I appreciate that only a very small number of people are supportive of Skip’s action.  Troop 761’s reputation remains intact.  They might want to consider seeking a new Chartering Org.

Your grace in handling this is inspirational.  Please know that the few people on here that are truly being idiotic about homosexuality are a minority in every dimension and they will go the way of people who used to justify slavery with the Bible.

Skip has serious issues.  His reaction to leaving atheism (which is also his business) is all too common in that converts often have the strongest views.  He will forever now be remembered in history for this event.  And history will not be kind to him.

Please stay strong and know how much support is out here for you. 

I am going to cease posting now.  Your post has been moving and I wish you the best.  Jackson has a great mom.


Denise here. I’ve been amazed by the number of views, comments and re-postings this article has received. Regardless of your thoughts on this topic, I have to thank everyone for all of the comments thus far.  This article has reached many, many people, provoked a lot of dialogue and accomplished our objective…which was to create awareness.
 
I have tried hard to stay out of the “conversation” and have been proud of myself for doing so. But “Troopmember’s” comments are very off-base, so I feel the need to clarify some things.  There is a lot that we excluded from the article (including specfics on the negative interactions between Skip and me and a rather disappointing meeting with the Executive Pastor of CFC.  This article does not go into specifics, except to say that on many occasions I was crushed and reduced to tears. Since you are a troop member, I encourage you to give me a call if you’d like to learn more. I want you to be fully informed.
To address


Yeh that’s what I expected. Your a bully hiding behind the computer. Coward.


Good luck Mark.  My work has me in a foreign country right now doing the crap people like Inabinnett would never have the you know what to do.

Go talk to the Government.  I am not revealing my identity to you or anyone else who would support someone like Skip Inabinnett.

Saying I want Inabinnett and presumably you and others out of Loudoun County is not bullying.  I can’t make him move.  He took action to actually hurt a woman and her child.  He held power over that woman and he used it.

Disgusting.


so @Conservative Republican Scout Leader you ready to tell us who you are so we can protest YOUR actions as a bully?  Cant wait to show up at YOUR work. I bet you won’t because you are a coward.


Alby - This statement “If people are born homosexual, wouldn


Annie said - “Same sex attraction is a burden to carry just like any other.  Same sex attraction cannot be actively lived as a homosexual lifestyle because God says so.”

Yes, it is a burden, but not one that people choose.  God gives them this burden to bare because he knows they are strong and he knows they will take life in stride to do the best they can.  God accepts and believes in every person for their strengths and weaknesses.  They cannot live their life normally because of Bible-huggin people like you who have a very skewed vision of what is acceptable and what is not.  Do you think it was right of Skip to “out” her?  Is that loyal?  Is that disrespectful?  Is that kindness?  Or forgiveness?  It is unkind, disloyal, unforgiving, and completely disrespectful…..

THANK YOU CALIBAN!!!!  This is why most scientists are not religious….they believe in fact, not something written before the time we realized the earth was round!  Come to the 21st century!  God still loves you there!


“The scout law says a scout should be trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind and obedient, thrifty, clean and reverent,” Ianson said.


And I have libel insurance.  He will waste his time and I will be out a hundred or 2 hundred bucks deductable. 

And he would lose since none of those things you say are libel.  Calling for a protest of his actions is free speech.

I have never said anything not factual (according to the article) about him or suggested anyone do anything physical against him.  Protests are legal in the US.

Paying a couple hundred bucks to watch him keep this story on the front page would be worth it.  LTM would certainly cover it (as would others) if we ended up in a suit over a comments section. 

And then it stays in the news and more comments come…

The right thing for this guy to do is put out some kind of statement and apologizing for causing all this strife. 

Americans are quick to forgive.


He is a key subject of the article.  Of course I reference him in the comments.


“You are going to get your @$$ sued if you don


There seem to be two key larger issues here: one, to what extent is the BSA a truly “private” organization, or to what extent does it actually enjoy unfair access to publicly funded infrastructure?

Two, to what extent is BSA a ‘Christian’ organization, and, if so, by what Biblical teachings does it legitimate its discriminatory policies?

To the first: as its Dred Scott (slaves are “property”) and Plessy vs. Ferguson (“separate but equal”) decisions eventually illustrated, the Supreme Court (like the Church) is not infallible; its ruling in BSA vs. Dale may similarly be overturned by future decisions as the public will (voiced through Congressional legislation) dictates. 

Likewise, Bush-era legislation (i.e., the Boy Scout Equal Access Act) forbidding public school systems that receive federal funds (as they all do) from discriminating against the openly discriminatory BSA, may also one day be revisited and overturned.

That is, the BSA actually does enjoy unfair access to public infrastructure (e.g., free or discounted use of local schools where its troops meet; campgrounds where it enjoys reduced or no fees), given that its anti-gay stance violates federal statute. You can test this: Just try asking your local elementary school to let you host a KKK meeting in their multi-purpose room.

Future legislation and litigation will (we hope) render a more uniform fairness.  After all, ‘The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.’

Second, as to whether the BSA is a Christian organization.  Earlier posters have it right: BSA is not Christian, per se, but open to boys of all religious backgrounds, provided there is some form of deistic belief; openly atheistic scouts and leaders can and have been banned from membership.  So, more overt discrimination—again, not an issue for a truly private organization, but open to question when access to public infrastructure is involved (as it is with the BSA).

Earlier posters have noted that several religions ban homosexuality, so let us grant the Biblical influence on BSA’s anti-gay discrimination.  Shall we also give credence to other Biblical teachings, such as:

DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.
DEUTERONOMY 22:22
If a married person has sex with someone else’s husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.
MARK 10:1-12
Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.
LEVITICUS 18:19
The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman’s period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.
MARK 12:18-27
If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12
If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy’s genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.

As further noted by SoulForce.org, “The list goes on: The Bible says clearly that sex with a prostitute is acceptable for the husband but not for the wife. Polygamy (more than one wife) is acceptable, as is a king’s having many concubines. (Solomon, the wisest king of all, had 1,000 concubines.) Slavery and sex with slaves, marriage of girls aged 11-13, and treatment of women as property are all accepted practices in the Scriptures.

“Over the centuries the Holy Spirit has taught us that certain Bible verses should not be understood as God’s law for all time periods. Some verses are specific to the culture and time they were written, and are no longer viewed as appropriate, wise, or just.”

So our understanding of the Bible (and the Constitution) have and should continue to evolve to support a more perfect union—one where gays, blacks, Jews, Muslims, and all God’s children are accepted as partners, members and leaders of all of our institutions.

The bottom line remains: this troop has lost a good leader (just as Scouting continues to lose good Scouts and Leaders) out of the atavistic spite of religious fundamentalists and their uninformed fear of homosexuality and mistaken insistence that being gay is a “choice” (an odd one, given our society’s persistent discrimination; similar to choosing to be poor and black and then trying to get a home mortgage) versus a natural sexual orientation. 

If another poster’s note that Ms Steele continues to be active in the troop is correct, good for her—may she and her son continue to educate its members on the true nature and naturalness of homosexuality.


Conservative Republican Scout Leader now you are just proving a point- you really are a jerk. What do you think the “taliban” would do to you if you lived under their rule? Funny part is you sound like them more and more- willing to go to great extreme to get others to accept your views. A real bully you are to call others names like “taliban”. I’m sure you feel good spouting all of this crap from behind your keyboard. While you have no problem attacking others by name you hide behind your computer. So who are you? Are you ready to accept us showing up at your place of employment to protest your views? I bet not because you are a coward.


@Lesley B. - “It


@Conservative Republican Scout Leader - I am glad you were not my scout leader.


Let me be clear.  You can believe what you want.  You have that right.  When you take ACTIONS based on that belief, you step over the line into the realm of needing to be condemned.

The National BSA does not enforce this.  The chartering org could have stopped this cold. They are making excuse when they say they are just enforcing the rules. 

This rule could have been left unenforced and NOBODY would have been hurt. 

And this is not a Christian thing.  I am a Christian.  All religious people of any faith who use their religious beliefs to force someone else to do something are wrong.  And in America we condemn them. 

I saw this on a local blog (by another conservative republican) - these people are clearly the Christian Taliban.  We reject them as conservatives.  We reject them as republicans. Our society rejects them. 

They have every right to believe and discuss whatever they want in their dark church meetings, but when they bring it outside and affect others, they go too far.


The BSA’s consistent homophobic stand (and their anti-atheist/agnostic stand) are why my son will never participate in Boy Scouts.


You may call it arrogant or even unrepresentative.

You might as well be talking about Skip.  The majority of residents of this county would not agree with him and his kind and we don’t want them around us.  We don’t want their bigoted ideas exposed to our children. 

In fact, if one of these anti-gays comes around my children, I will have him arrested!

I am sorry, but we just don’t want those kind around here.  Nor their churches if they are teaching this stuff to children.

It might feel bad to be rejected.  I understand.  Perhaps you should be more tolerant of others, so I can be more tolerant of you.


Conservative Republican Scout Leader you are arrogant. You dont represent society and this sure as hell is not your county.


Conservative Republican Scout Leader no one has suggested running YOU out of the county. They just don’t want you in their group. That,s their right. YOU are a bully and the worst kind cause you do it in the name of tolerance. You should seek help for that.


Vinny,

How is my suggesting that Skip and people like him are unwelcome any different than how he makes certain people (gay people) unwelcome.  I am only doing to him what he did to others. 

We (society) reject Skip Inabinnett and shun him for his actions.  And the church he belongs to…  if they teach him this is right…  we reject them as well. 

We want them out of our County and certainly out of leadership positions.  In this way, my position is the same as Skip has towards gays.

It doesn’t feel good to be rejected does it?


@ Troopmember;

Regarding the last campout.  Was Denise Steele camping WITH the troop, or did she have to get her own campsite AWAY from the troop?

Well I can tell you that she was NOT camping as a participant of the troop outing and for you to even remotely suggest this is incorrect.


Conservative Republican Scout Leader you are a real loser. You are the biggest bully in all these comments and the worse part is you do it in the name of tolerance. I hope you get what you deserve.


Skip Innabinnet hurt a child and went too far.  Troopmember is almost certainly not with the troop.  The tension is high.  Skip should be kicked out and soon.

Troopmember is lying when he says Denise is being treated with respect.  Treating her with respect would have been to ignore the completely idiotic rule and leave her in a leadership position.

Skip Inabinett is now famous throughout the country as this article and comments have been distributed widely in other forums.  Skip Inabinett is a man who places his own twisted sense of morality above the welfare of a child.

He will never live this down.  Google will forever find this incident as it does the fact that he once ran for public office many years ago.

If he wants another side of the story to come out (God knows what that could be), he should come forward and tell it to this reporter. 

Otherwise, for ALL eternity, the bits searched on the internet or its future replacement will forever tell the story of the day Skip Inabinnett decided to take the actions that unnecessarily hurt a child.  Even if one day, LTM takes it down, it is now in so many places and cached so many times it will never go away. 

He and his decendents will live with that forever if he doesn’t repent and comme out and tell a different story.


One of my gay guy friends was put in to a pretty horrible position (I am vague for his confidentiality) at scout camp in 9th grade. He did not come forward for fear of being kicked out. To this day he volunteers, in the closet, with the BSA. He has his eagle scout.

“Do what I say and believe as I say and love as I say or I’ll hurt you, isolate you, cut you off from what you love,” said the man in between blows to his sobbing wife, “this is what you get for being disobedient,” he screamed to his two children, both too scared to cry.

“This is what you get for being openly gay, if you are gay or feel that you’re gay in the boy scouts, you are alone. If you ask for help, you will be forever unable to come back as a scout leader. Do you see these lesbians? Do you see what happened to them? Do what we say - or else.”


It’s sad to me that one closed-minded individual caused a problem based on his own fears and prejudices, hiding behind the governing rules of the BSA.  The article says that local troops can overlook regulations and evidently this troop was doing just that, and things were fine.  It sounds like Denise Steele was an excellent leader and role model and the troop would have benefitted from her involvement for many years, if this “Christian” had not put Old Testament cultural laws above New Testament love and acceptance.  How many of these people quoting the OT Scriptures really live by them?  Do they own slaves?  Do they shave or trim their beards?  Do they put to death any child who curses his/her parent?  Most importantly, do they eat shellfish?  That’s an abomination in God’s eyes too, according to Leviticus.

My point is that Denise Steele was a good person doing a good thing (and apparently doing it well) but was taken out of that position because an individual thought one aspect of her life – a totally irrelevant part of her life – was bad.  I understand there are many viewpoints on that topic, but I think we can all agree that it’s important to have good people involved in our children’s lives.  The boys in this BSA troop are missing such a person now.  And that’s sad.


I’d like to deal with some facts here.  Much of what’s in the article and many of the comments here just aren’t dealing in facts.  We are members of this troop.  (for real, which I suspect is not true of some others that claim this here…)
First, Denise has not been kicked out of this troop.  This is totally false.  She was simply taken out of a leadership position but is still in the troop with her son and is allowed to participate in all the activities just like all the other parents.  In fact, there was a troop campout this past weekend.  Denise and her son were both there fully participating in everything.  I can also report that the entire troop, including parents and leaders are treating Denise with incredible friendship and respect. 
It has also been portrayed that the local troop was responsible for “kicking Denise out of the troop”. This again is false.  National Scout rules dictate who and who cannot be scout leaders, there is no grey area.  In fact, all scout leaders go through mandatory training that is taken very seriously and must pledge to abide by these rules.  They rules state plainly that anyone in a homosexual relationship is not eligible to be a scout leader.  One may not like this rule but to sign it and promise to abide by it, then later claim victim status and attempt to blame the troop or another leader in the troop is dishonest at best. 
Lastly, I have to comment on all the nasty and hateful things being said about one of the leaders.  He did not skip over all the leadership as is being stated.  This is also not a decision that’s left to the local troop.  This is a clear rule by the National Boy Scout organization and the decision to remove Ms. Steele from leadership was made above the local troop. 
Lastly, I’d ask everyone to read all that’s being said and see who’s being hateful.  I haven’t heard one single hateful thing said by this man, but just look at all the things said by Ms Steele’s partner and frankly all the hateful things said by many of you here.  It does speak volumes by itself. 
Bottom line, Ms Steele and her son are welcomed and valued members of this troop and have been treated with incredible respect.  This too speaks volumes for the character of this troop and its leadership.  Others might learn a little from this great group of families.


Come on, we know the Skippy guy got caught trying to cinch one in the skirt.  She said “no way,” he said “you’ll pay.”  And the rest is history…. all 400 comments later.  Wonder if this loser’s wife even cares that he is obsessed with other women.  Oh wait, but he’s a good Christian guy who has morals.  This guy looks like the real threat in my book!  I would keep my daughter away from him for sure.


Troop Insider,

Please know that it is clear to me that Skip Inabinnett was the only one willing to hurt this child, this woman, and this Troop.  To call him a jerk is a mild description.

He betrayed you all, based on his own twisted idea of right and wrong.

Skip Inabinnett is the bad guy here.  He still hasn’t come out with any statement or called the LTM so they can get out his story.  Every troop has a bad egg or two, but this one was rotten to the core.

I blame him primarily as the one who chose to take an immoral action and hurt your troop.  He should be shunned within your troop and kicked out if that is at all possible. 

I also blame the chartering organization.  They made the wrong decision and ALSO chose to hurt a family when they could have chosen to stand up for a child.

Nobody on here who supports Skip Inabinnett should describe themselves as Bible Believing.  The bible does not call for us to shun or exclude sinners.  Jesus would NEVER have done what Skip did.

And if he looks in his heart, I am sure he will conclude that the emotion he felt as he did this was hate.  This was not an act of love.


Info for those misguided about the meaning of Separation of Church and State

http://www.firstprinciplesjournal.com/articles.aspx?article=1485&loc=r


http://www.bhlpc.com/index.php/attorneys


I find the most ironic part of these comments to be that those who have contributed the least (bluebird, Jeanne, etc) are the ones telling people to get a life. Why don’t you idiots step away from the computer and go do something worthwhile!

As for the article? Yes BSA is a private group. I don’t agree with their policies. I also choose not to support them. I agree that Skip was a bully and out of line in his behavior.

To the religious debate? Last time I checked we are supposed to have a separation of church and state in this country. Keep your religiously based morals out of the law and out of my bedroom. Your bible and your gods do not get to dictate my life.


@CRSL… people who “take advantage of their special relationship with boys” are called PEDOPHILES not HOMOSEXUALS. Pedophilia and homosexuality are not one and the same. What I don’t understand is WHY someone who is gay or lesbian would choose to ASSOCIATE with a bigoted, disgusting organization like this at all…  I am a huge advocate for gay rights, but seriously, being involved with an organization that is open about homophobia and then crying foul later (regardless of the circumstances) really makes no sense to me.  Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think any organization has the “right” to discriminate today.  Period.  But you get into bed with the devil and you gotta expect to be screwed over.  I would NEVER support an organization like this.  Not with my time, or with my money.  I wonder what would happen if BSA decided to think “morally and biblically” about say.. race mixing?  The bible is pretty clear about race mixing…


Troopinsider. Thanks for the honesty.

If the troop didn’t dismiss her, who did? The chartering organization (I believe) has the power to do that. Maybe council (NCAC)? But once confronted with the rule and an objection from a parent (jerk or not), she should have removed herself. The only result of staying would be a public and losing battle with angry people taking sides. Which is exactly what happened.

This single policy has done more to harm the BSA than any other policy. This is widely understood. However, the rule stands.

I have no connection to that troop whatsoever. Though I do know kids who used to be in it.


@ Skeptikal

I AM with T761
Skip IS a jerk
Denise IS missed by everyone (including the other ASMs and scouts) except Skip
She WAS a great leader
She IS a great person
The article is accurate to a point, except that the troop leadership is NOT who dismissed Denise.


CRSL - I DID read the article. It’s all about people attacking Inabinett with no proof. One e-mail to another Scout parent is quoted. You do a pretty good job in your posts. Ms. Steele should have quit. The Troop leadership showed enormously bad judgment in not asking her to quietly resign. Instead - she and they brought this dispute upon themselves.

Is Inabinett a jerk for demanding that the rules be enforced? I don’t know him (sounds like you do however). Personally, I think that homophobia is stupid. But I do not sit on the Scout executive committee.

So own up. Are you in T761? It sure sounds like you are.


@Elly

I just received this quote on my facebook page this
morning.  It came from the facebook page called ‘The Bible’

The Bible

John 14:6


No thank you, @Diane, I am quite happy with my own religious home. In fact, it’s rather presumptuous of you to assume that I am a Christian. Your goal may be to get into heaven, but mine is to live this life with justice and compassion, honoring the inherent worth and dignity of all people.

I think the wide array of denominations demonstrates that things ARE as open to interpretation as I suggest. Who among us can say which denomination is getting it right? Or which religion, for that matter? This entire discussion has revolved around Christianity, but there are many other religions in this world. What a beautiful thing that is! We can only worship in the way that feels right to us; I have no interest in changing individual ideology, but an organization that claims to serve members of all faiths and then adds a caveat such as “but only if you’re straight” isn’t really serving all faiths.

Yes, all faiths. The Boy Scouts are not a Christian organization. Direct from their website: “While Scouting does not define religious belief for its members, it has been adopted by and works with youth programs of all major faiths.” (http://www.scouting.org/Visitor/WhyScouting/FaithTraditions.aspx). No one is disputing the organization’s right to limit it’s membership, rather we are advocating change. As a secular organization that values “all major faiths,” it would be wise of them to not define the limitations of those faiths.

I don’t think either @CRSL or I said you hate anyone. I’d rather not get into whether or not a belief that some folks don’t deserve full equality implies hate. But your opinion that the Boy Scouts exclusionary policies are right (not within their rights, but correct), does seem to indicate you believe that the private practices of one group of people warrants their exclusion from an organization that, in their own words, is for those of “all major faiths.”


Skeptical,

Go back and actually read the article:

“Funk described the situation between Steele and Inabinett as bullying, and it left Steele crushed and in tears through the many email exchanges.”

Skip Inabinett could have chosen to do NOTHING.  Nobody would have been harmed.  Nothing would have happened.  A child and his mother would have continued happily.

Skip Inabinnett took it on himself to make another - morally wrong choice - to take action that hurt a child.

This is an accurate description of him.  The christian thing to do would have been to do nothing and help the boy.

Now Skip Inabinnett is viewed by the majority of society as a pariah.  He is rejected by much of his community.


CRSL - By the way, the race to insults does not help your case. Not everyone who disagrees with you is an ignorant bigot. There certainly seems to be a lot of hatred and anger in your posts.

It is no secret that BSA has this rule. People have been kicked out of other units about it. Chartering organizations have canceled charters, and organizations have denied BSA their facilities over it. Its not news.

What was the effect of these denials? Innocent boys did not have access to these facilities and funds to learn how to be self sufficient and contributing members to society. That is all.


CRSL - there are no e-mails shown in the article. If you have some personal invovlement in the case, out with it.

She should have resigned when confronted with the rule. The Scoutmaster who said it wasn’t a problem was clearly wrong. Clearly.

The rule is there for many reasons. One is clearly ignorance. I agree. But there are others. The BSA has suffered lawsuits after Scoutleaders took advantage of their special relationship with boys in the past. Rules like this protect the boys, and the leaders. It is a draconiam measure taken to protect the organization. Too bad the Catholic Church didn’t do the same thing…. I understand that it can be argued.

But again, you come across as having a horse in this race. Do you? Are you involved with the Steele family? Or a member of the T761 leadership? A Scout is trustworhy.


@elly and @ crsl

Of course I don’t hate gays,adulterers, or anyone else for that matter!  @crsl you kick me out of the Republican party to which I don’t even belong!  Why is everyone philosophizing on all kinds of things except the real issue, which is this woman knowingly and fraudulently entered into a contract, the terms of which she knew she did not fulfill.  The Boy Scouts are fully within their rights to specify the types of leaders it wants, even if it excludes gays.  This is not about me hating gays, which I absolutely do not.  The Boy Scouts are a Christian organization.  The fact that they want leaders who share their Christian beliefs and values is understandable and is no different from parents that seek other schools for their children because they do not like what public schools teach/don’t teach.  Scout leaders have much influence over the children they lead. As such, I can understand the Boy Scouts not wanting those with significantly different world views.  It’s not about hate.  We are all sinners.  Some may say that the boy scouts are picking on gays, but they have done nothing wrong as a private organization.  It was wrong for the woman to fraudulently attain and remain in her position knowing the terms of the agreement.

@elly I think you should try out a bible based church.  Things aren’t nearly as open to interpretation or change as you suggest.  Like I stated before, it’s not about what I think or you think or this church says or that church says.  The bible is God’s word, not a mere tool!  My goodness, what is the point believing in things as you wish, if the end result does not get you into heaven??!!  It’s all about having a relationship with Christ.  That involves talking(praying) to him regularly.  Christ doesn’t care how you interpret the bible or your religious practices.  He doesn’t care if you are gay, an adulterer, or a murderer as long as you repent, try to change, acknowledge that he died for our sins to save us, have faith in only him, and establish a relationship with him.

My view may be ‘narrow’ but I like to think it’s as thick as any bible-no more no less. 

Study His Word and you will see that’s it’s not what things you do or don’t do that gets you into heaven.  Through Christ’s death, we are all forgiven of our sins.  It’s up to us to have the Faith to believe in Him. 

Conservative(biblical) Democrat

@elly I think you should try a bible based


Skip Inabinett is the one who is sick.  He cares not what children he hurts in the pursuit of his ideology.


To Elly and Bluebird Watcher - I have threatened no one and I hate no one.  Unfortunately, you people are making Loudoun County the laughing stock of Virginia. How sorry I feel for all of you. You all are a bunch of very sick, sick people. Goodbye.


“There is no proof that anyone harassed anyone. “

Yes there is.  One party made the assertion and emails were reviewed.

“There is clearly only one side of the story being told. Most


There is no proof that anyone harassed anyone. There is clearly only one side of the story being told. Most “journalists” won’t publish unsubstantiated accusations like this. The TM,sadly does not really care about journalistic standards in politically charged stories. The BSA has the (court confirmed) right to define its membership. Whether you agree with this aspect or not, the BSA does tons of good work.

The number and quality of service projects alone the BSA does would shock you - if I remember correctly there are over 40 Eagle projects on the W&OD; alone. At least it was that number when my son added his to the trail in 2006. Bridges, trails, shelves at schools, clothing drives, food drives, the list goes on. Scouts are taught to be trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent. Do you have a problem with these values?

What other youth organization takes a kid hiking in the Rockies and snorkeling in the Keys in the same year? Teaches kids about fire, survival, safety, and environmental sciences?

Do I agree about the rules here? No. But I’m willing to tolerate one Scouting idiosyncrasy because of the overwhelming good it does.


I have read that there Holy Bible cover to cover and I ain’t seen nowhere’s where the Lord Jesus Christ banned queer folk and the like from the Church or the Boy Scouts.  An if’n ye believe queer folks an the like is sinners, well, I cain’t see nowhere’s that sinners is banned from Church or the Boy Scouts neither!

I’m just sayin’ . . .


A sad loss that the troop lost a leader they truly liked and respected. I hope that the cowardly weasel who went to such great lengths to have her removed is made utterly and permanently miserable by the negative press he’s getting.


Bluebird, I have seen your posts.  Hate towards muslims.  Hate towards homsexuals.  Hate towards hispanics.  You have no room to talk.

And if you want to stop hearing this, then stop hitting refresh and you will hear no more.


And yet, @Bluebird, for all the disagreements in these comments you’re the only one who thinks threatening someone’s life is appropriate. Hello pot, have you met my friend kettle?


All you stupid people get a life and stop this absolute rubbish. What a bunch of hate filled people that populate Loudoun County. Boy, I am glad that I don’t live anywhere near that county, because I could only sleep at night with a shotgun handy because of the hate that goes on in that county. Shut up, shut up, shut up!!!!


@Diane: If, as you say, you are following what the Bible tells you, then perhaps you should drop the label of Christianity entirely. Christianity is a concept, created by humans (many years after the resurrection of Jesus Christ),  for the purpose of worshiping God and Jesus. Christianity is about human practices and an effort to live in a way that reflects the life of Jesus, a man with boundless compassion for those who needed love and care. Whether divinely inspired or a book of allegorical stories, the Bible is a tool used by Jews (Hebrew Bible only) and Christians (both Hebrew bible and New Testament) alike in an effort to understand God. The Bible itself is not Christianity. Christianity is what we do with the lessons we learn from the Bible.

Now, before you think I’m trying to tell you what to call yourself, understand that I’m not. I would never want to take the label of Christian away from anyone; I believe we define our own religious identities and use those to mold our lives.

So, to bring this back to the article at hand, @CRSL asks whether you strive to keep all who sin out of scouting. What an excellent question! If you are living your life in accordance with the Bible, how can you determine whose sins are fit for participation and whose are not? There are hundreds of sins in the Bible and who are we to determine, 2000 years later, the appropriate reaction to those? We’ve certainly stopped following the more extreme recommendations that people’s lives be ended (death penalty sentences excluded). The concept of scouting certainly didn’t exist either in Biblical times or at the times the books of the Bible were written, so there’s no biblical precedent. It hardly seems Christ-like to establish exclusive policies in His name, especially policies that directly contradict his work of reaching out to those labeled as “other.”

Now, I will agree that as a private organization the Boy Scouts are within their rights to deny membership. I agree with this not because I think that practice is right, but because I believe in the right of any private organization to define their own policies. But that doesn’t mean that I don’t want to see systematic change. I applaud the Steele/Funk family for working toward that change, just as I applaud them for the strength it takes to live in a state that allows (mostly) men in suits 100 miles away to define family.

True conservatism is about limited government involvement. The Steele/Funk family’s lives have no bearing on ours (we wouldn’t even know who they are, were it not for this article). The state and federal governments certainly don’t know who they are. Whether these two women build a family together is no more our business than whether Susie Q’s heterosexual parents decide not to marry at all. And yet, many elected officials seek to define them as not a family in the name of conservative values. Really? Shouldn’t true conservative values allow individual families to define themselves? Wouldn’t the truly conservative practice be to let go of this tight control over people’s private lives?


@Diane, are you prepared to kick out everyone from Scouts who engages in sin?  Are you without Sin?  Since you say sex is not required for adultery, will you be kicking out everyone who kisses someone else outside of marriage?

The reality is that your view of Christ and the Bible is such a minority in Loudoun county that you are overwhelmed on here by other Christians and conservatives.

I will say this as a Republican.  Do NOT bring up your nonsense in LCRC meetings or in any way connected to the Republican party.  You are rejected from the Republican party and we would prefer if you and your type and Churches that think like you leave Loudoun County.  This is not to make us into San Francisco.  They are a bunch of left wing liberal nut jobs.  It is to protect our Christian values from those who distort the bible to fit your own hate and to protect our Conservative movement from people who do not respect the traditional values of individual liberty and the respect of fellow Americans.

The only group being rejected is the few narrow minded Christians like you who belong to distorted Churches that preach hate.

I am a straight Methodist by the way with no gay family members I know of.  You need to see Christ’s message of love and never reject a gay person.  Ever.  Otherwise, you have no accepted Jesus in your heart.  And I am sure you know what that means.


@Elly-Although you may think my definition is narrow, it’s really not about my definition, your definition, or anyone elses.  Trying to define Christanity, makes it about the individual and not about Christ, which inherently can never be correct.  You say my view is narrow, but really it’s not my view. It’s what the bible says.  Allowing for all these practices and beliefs suggests a person can make his own definition of Christianity.  This is a dangerous concept, in that a person can do/believe what he sees fit to do/believe, but it’s also very convenient for those who may be looking for an easier way.  I dont believe intercourse is required for adultery to occur. I don’t believe same sex couples can ever be married, regardless of what our government may say or allow. My beliefs have solid biblical basis.  The government’s is solidly based in ‘people’s’ beliefs.  I choose to follow Christ through what the bible tells me, not the Catholic church, Protestant church or any other.  People have the tendency to make all things about themselves.  There is no ‘me’ in Christianity, only Christ.


All you stupid people of Loudoun County: Grow up and please shut up. Enough is enough!!


@Diane: Your definition of Christianity appears to be a very narrow one. Keep in mind that not all Christians share your views or interpret the Bible the same way you do. Christianity is a huge umbrella under which followers have a wide variety of practices, beliefs, and interpretations of sacred texts. The implication that your interpretation is more correct that someone else’s does a disservice to Christianity as a whole. I often feel that when someone tries to define Christianity by very narrow terms, they are also trying to define who can and cannot be called a Christian. I don’t believe that determination is up to you.

Additionally, being gay isn’t just about sex and therefore isn’t actually in the Ten Commandments. The commandment you reference speaks to adultery only. Definition of marriage aside (regardless of its roots, today it functions as a legal contract. Many straight couples get married in non-religious services and doing so doesn’t make them any less married), lack of an active sex life doesn’t make someone any less gay.


Susan, I’m an old Loudoun County Resident too. You are correct in saying that me, and many others that I know here feel just like you in that we don’t want our county to have the same sleazy values of San Francisco. The one’s that justify this lifestyle generally have a child, grandchild, friend, or they themselves are participating in this lifestyle and they have to make it right.  It’s a perversion that has been acted upon.

Diane, you are 100% correct regarding your statement about adultery.  The sad part is I doubt no one this board will listen to you because their only goal is to get you to change your mind about them so they can justify that what they are doing is right.


Have Dick Black and Eugene Degaudio opined on this important matter yet?  Surely those two professional gay haters have something to say about this.  Call them up for comment, LTM, or maybe they are scared since they face an election in a couple months.


Eric the 1/2 troll:  quote from the article above, which you ignore:
‘When a chartered partner agrees to sponsor a scouting unit,
an annual charter agreement is signed, they explained.
In the contract, they agree to provide a place for a meeting,
select volunteer leaders and follow the policies and guidelines established by the Boy Scouts of America.’

For all this hogwash about homosexuality not being covered in the 10 Commandments-IT IS.  Adultery-sex outside of marriage.  I think even the non-christians are aware of how marriage is defined in the bible.

Reading through some of these responses is frustrating, because of people’s ignorance of Christian values and beliefs, though they quote the bible as if they are experts.

I can understand people’s extreme resistance to really learning and understanding what the bible is saying.  It takes time and commitment going forward to change your ways.  It’s also VERY uncomfortable acknowledging that you are a sinner.  But once you understand the Good News, and I mean REALLY understand it, it is just so much easier to mock the bible/Christianity because it really takes very little effort.  All you have to do is look up bible quotes that seemingly support your cause, but Christians understand that the don’t.  And the mockery is SO much easier than studying the bible and then CHANGiNG your life.  Living your life without Christ allows you to continue without disruption or effort.  What I find common to many living without Christ is their underlying unhappiness.  Seek God, you won’t be disappointed.  Your life will only get better and you’ll wish you would have done it sooner.  I’ll say a prayer for all of you on here that currently don’t believe.


Loudoun Times Mirror please take out the story and comments.  All you are doing is providing a venue for the residents to vent their anger on each other. This is NOT NEWS, this is SICK and you, Loudoun Times Mirror are the cause. All these residents are doing is providing entertainment for the sick staff of the Loudoun Times Mirror! Print this if you dare!!!!


Quit your whining and do your part.  We must elect good Christian anti-gay legislators like the Honorable Eugene Delgaudio and Colonel Dick Black back into office.  They will put an end to the awful sins of the abominations that call themselvee “gay”.  Too many “conservatives” don’t speak up about the evils of homosexuality.  Eugene and Col. Black have dedicated their lives to exposing this evil.  Please get involved against these liberals by supporting those who aren’t afraid.


I don’t care what anybody says.

Denise Steele can lead my son ANY DAY!

I would much rather him be around her, than ANY of the bible ‘thumpers’ in the thread.

Organized religion does nothing but brainwash people and create a bunch of weak minded individuals.


@Susan: I don’t know, I thought you came up with a pretty diverse collection of names we call you guys. I suppose we could start making some up if you want….

Frouwetrn - noun. 1. A bigoted, intolerant, homophobic, racist, hillbilly who identifies with the religious right.
“I’m happy to see the number of Frouwetrns in this thread is pretty low, but like most of their kind, boy are they vocal about their special brand of crazy!”
2. A magical monk-baked pastry loaf.
“That was a delicious Frouwetrn, and its magic gave me the power to decide what’s right and wrong and that everyone else should be like me!”

How’s that?


It’s Sunday.

If you post today, then you have committed a sin greater than that of homosexuality.

I just sinned.  God forgive me.


I was a scout for years.  Junior/Senior Patrol Leader, Order of the Arrow, junior assistant scoutmaster. 

I left before achieving Eagle for several reasons, but this kind of driven and unconsidered bigotry was a major component.  20 years later I’m successful in my career, qualified to teach most of the merit badges I earned when I was a kid plus dozens more, and I have both significant discretionary time and significant discretionary income to give to Scouting. 

They haven’t received a dime and they haven’t been given a minute.  And they won’t until this policy ends.  Ms. Steele has my respect for giving to an organization that adamantly refuses to outgrow its own archaic prejudices but I won’t be following in her example.  Ironically enough, my Christianity makes it impossible for me to support an organization so completely lacking in tolerance.


@BibleFollower - if that is the case, then I do apologize for the cutting remarks. I get very defensive when I see remarks like what you put and you made it seem like you were extremely serious.

I might suggest stating you’re being satirical at one point to avoid people taking it out of context like I did because you were exceedingly convincing about your statements over the course of several comments, even stating that when Jeanne stopped commenting that she had “learned her place”.

Outside of that, I hope that one day people get the point that we cannot point the finger and lay blame and assume we know what God or Allah or the Goddess would do against a “sinner”. Until we die and learn for ourselves, we have no authority to pass judgement through telling a person who they can worship or who they can love.


Old Loudoun County Resident ~ If you want to have a peeing contest I can do you one better ~ I’m actually a 5th Loudoun County Generation resident on both of my parent’s side, so maybe I can’t speak for you, but I can speak for so many others who feel the same way as myself.  We don’t appreciate people coming into this county and trying to run it into the ground with their gutter values.  If you recall, Virginia passed a Constitutional Marriage Amendment that said marriage is only between a man and a woman in November 2006.  Therefore, I would say we are in the majority, and those siding with homosexuals are in the minority.  As for you Conservative Christian, since you question my faith, I seriously question your church.  My guess is Unitarian.  That’s all that needs to be said.  I’m so sick of all the name calling. Wow; can’t you come up with something better than bigot, intolerant, homophobic, racist, hillbilly, religious right?  Once again, the Boy Scouts are a private organization that have rules.  Denise Steele broke the rules and got caught.  She can go form her own club.  Then if anyone is to blame for “hurting a child” as Conservative Christian states, it would be Denise Steele for breaking all the rules in the first place.


Stories like this one sadden me. If, when I have children, I have a son, he will not be a Boy Scout. I was a Girl Scout growing up and believe strongly in scouting organizations, but I cannot be a member of an organization with such discriminatory policies. I recommend people with sons look for a local Camp Fire USA club, or start one up. Camp Fire is a co-ed, welcoming organization. Camp Fire and Girl Scouts value many types of diversity and both are organizations I would be proud to be a member of.


KP wins! Ding, Ding, Ding!

I was indeed engaging in satire.  I was showing Jeanne’s hypocrisy.  I am a Christian and I follow the bible.  It says all kinds of things which when taken out of the full context can be used to justify anything.

I read the bible holistically and know that Jesus would never condemn someone for being gay.  Someone else on here (maybe a few) made that point.  Gay isn’t even a 10 commandment issue.  There are many worse sins committed by Christians nearly every day.  Especially on Sunday ironically.

Christians like Jeanne, if she wants to get on the case of gay people, better be prepared to go all the way.  Because after the gays, it will be the women next in the verses people want to focus on.

Sorry Ashley for the ruse.  I thought my satire was clearer.  Your understandably of the bible as a Wiccan is superior to Jeanne as a supposed Christian.


Well I suppose I could be wrong just as easily as you. Neither of us can know as we are not Bible Follower (unless this is some clever internet trolling-ruse or an extreme case of disociative identity disorder…), but there are enough legitimate morons out there without me creating more by assuming, so sometimes I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. It sounds to me like he was saying either follow all of the bible yourself or shut up and stop throwing stones from your glass house.


@KP - I don’t know who Stephen Colbert is or what “American Dad” is so I miss the reference to that, however I do understand what satire is and yes, you are correct, it may be that he was being satirical. However, based on his response to me:

“I am trying to guide her on the proper Christian path if she is serious about being a Christian.  At least serious enough to be against gays.  If so, she should obey the rest of the bible.”

I am going to go out on a limb here and say he’s not being as satirical as you think he is.

And thank you for addressing that, it may be that he was being satirical and if that is the case then I do apologize to him for my earlier, more cutting remarks. However, based on his choice of words, I typed in mine.


@Ashley - I don’t mean to be rude and I’m with your stance on equality but I must say… irony flies right over your head, doesn’t it? I’m thinking he was about as serious about that as Stephen Colbert or Seth MacFarlane writing his American Dad character. Learn to satire.


That may be the case, however, I know many Christians who are very devout in their faith who would never speak to a woman in that way.

I understand what the Bible says. I used to be Catholic. I taught bible study to children and was a lector for my church. I’ve read the Bible more than most Catholics and Christians that I know. I also know that it is wrong to tell a woman to “hush” and let her man speak for her. Use your common sense. People point the finger at Muslims and say that the Koran preaches violence and murder of “infidels”. They are correct, it does, however not all Muslims are like that because they use their “common sense” to know that it is wrong. A woman has every right to say whatever she wishes.

You may not have directed what you said to those outside your faith, but what you said was not “Christ-like” either, which is what Christians and Catholics strive to be. When they went to stone Mary Magdalene, Jesus stopped them. He did not tell her once he’d freed her to “hush and not speak” He spoke with her. He even appeared first to her. Going solely by what the Bible states (which was not even around at the time of Christ)and not using your common sense is just as bad as a Muslim being told to kill and doing so. It’s two ends of the same spectrum.


@Ashley, My guess is that Bible Follower is just trying to make a point to Jeanne that she can’t just pick and choose what parts of the bible she is going to be strict about.

Probably not being serious.  Just taking Jeanne’s thinking to the ultimate extreme.


If you are not a Christian you may do as you wish.

Jeanne says she is a Christian.  She is saying referring to the bible to justify being against gay people.  I am trying to guide her on the proper Christian path if she is serious about being a Christian.  At least serious enough to be against gays.  If so, she should obey the rest of the bible.

This has nothing to do with you.  I have no problem with you.  You are not a bible believing Christian. Jeanne says she is. I note she is quieted down and is leaving this to the menfolk to discuss as she should as a Christian.  Just as it is wrong to be gay, it is wrong for a woman to speak instead of her husband.

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