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    Uncertainty shrouds Virginia’s anti-terror bill

    RICHMOND — Democrats in the Virginia Senate are refusing to sign off on the $85 billion Republican budget, frustrating taxpayers, lawmakers and local leaders who rely on taxpayer dollars to fund critical government services.

    House Bill 1160, introduced in mid-January by Del. Bob Marshall, R-Prince William, would declare that no state agency or state employee will aid federal intelligence or law officers in their pursuit of terrorists.

    The bill is on its way to Republican Gov. Bob McDonnell. Jeff Caldwell, McDonnell’s press secretary, said the governor is worried about any unintended consequences on national security efforts, and he has not yet decided on its fate.

    “While the governor does not condone the unlawful detention of U.S. citizens, he has concerns about the impact, whether intended or not, this legislation would have on Joint Terrorism Task Forces of which state and local agencies are members, information sharing by and with the Virginia State Police and local law enforcement, and the impact on our Virginia National Guard personnel,” Caldwell said.

    The move would prevent Virginia law-enforcement officials from indefinitely detaining U.S. citizens with “no trial, no legal counsel, no charges and no day in court,” under the federal National Defense Authorization Act Marshall said.

    But Del. Barbara Comstock, R-McLean, has led the charge against the bill.

    For two years, Comstock was public affairs director for the Justice Department. In that role, she traveled the country to speak about federal anti-terrorism law with state attorneys general.

    Working with the nation’s top counterterrorism officials taught Comstock the importance of information sharing among local, state and federal authorities, she said. She pointed to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, perpetrated by two men who had lived in Falls Church and others as an example of the need for cooperation.

    She said uncertainty over the legislation — which would nullify the National Defense Authorization Act — was her greatest motivation to fight the bill.

    The effect on taxpayers is uncertain, players on all sides say. It’s also unclear who would pay for salaries and equipment should the federal government need state police, Virginia corrections officers or state transportation to complete an anti-terror mission.

    Marshall drafted the bill “on the false premise that habeas corpus rights have been suspended,” Comstock said Thursday, hours after the Senate approved the bill in a 37-1 vote. State Sen. John C. Miller, D-Hampton City, cast the lone “no” vote.

    The bill has backing from the American Civil Liberties Union, the Tea Party Patriots Federation, the Japanese Americans Citizens League and the Campaign for Liberty.

    Del. Mark Keam, D-Fairfax, defended the bill on the House floor, where the bill passed 96-4.

    “This is where we can draw the line between strong law enforcement — with all the legitimate tools that we need to give to law enforcement, to the FBI, and to the military, everyone that needs to be out there fighting — and at the same time protect innocent Virginians from any kind of government overbearing,” Keam said.

    Virginians don’t ever want to be in a situation where American citizens and their civil liberties are being violated, Keam said, because of language in the Constitution that’s misinterpreted by a future Congress or a future president.

    “We’re making sure Virginia is on the right side of history,” he said.

    Virginia resident Chris Leonard, 42, of Fairfax said, “What it would come down to is if it were unlawful or not.” If arresting and detaining U.S. citizens without trial is unlawful, “then I would consider the federal government’s position mistaken, and not in itself lawful. That would be my reasoning.”

    William Van Alstyne, a Lee Professor of Law at William and Mary Law School in Williamsburg, said he questions whether the law is even necessary.

    Van Alstyne, who teaches constitutional and human rights law, said an American citizen unlawfully detained by state or federal authorities on terrorism charges “would be able to invoke the 14th and First Amendment as a defense in any event.”

    “To a certain extent, this statute, insofar as it protects First Amendment activity, is valid,” he said. “However, it may merely back up or apply legislative reinforcement to something people might not otherwise think they can do — resist efforts by our own government if, under the authority of the original War Powers Act, the president ordered our federal troops in activities that in fact would be unauthorized by the War Powers Act or in violation of the First Amendment.”

    State Sen. Chap Petersen, D-Fairfax City, said the law is necessary to protect the civil liberties of all Virginians.

    “The unlawful detention of U.S. citizens is wrong, and here in the commonwealth we will never assist in the detention of others, no matter the state of war that we may be in, or no matter the emergency,” Petersen said. “The rule of law must persist in our nation, regardless of circumstances, or we all shall fail in our commitment to justice.”

    The bill is HB1160. Read it: http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?121+sum+HB1160

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    ”The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.”


    I urge the Governor to sign the bill.  If and when needed, he can request action from local or state law enforcement authorities.  He may order the National Guard.  To not pass HB1160 scares the living daylights out of me.  I have experienced unconstitutional violations.  Governor McDonnell, I am afraid, I am very afraid.  PLEASE PASS THE BILL.


    What is the first thing that comes to mind when you think of Washington? Chaos? Incompetence? Circus? Too much control? Out of control? Overcriminalization? Loss of liberty? Predatory taxation? Destructive? Dangerous? Hubris? Laws, laws and more laws? I thought so.

    Now ponder this question: Who is dumber, the inside-the-beltway cabal who created this mess in the first place, or a citizenry and state governor who are pondering giving them more authority?

    The Federal Government as it is currently constituted is a far greater threat to our freedoms than terrorism. Our federal agencies (DHS, DOD, Intel, Law Enforcement, White House, Congress, etc.) are heavily infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, and Hezbollah. Are we out of our minds? How can the cause of the problem be its solution? Stupid is as stupid does, Virginia. If we do this, we should all be shipped off to internment camps in the Southwest for our own and the nation’s protection.

    The Federal Government continues to be willfully blind to the ideology that drives jihad. It has refused to control our borders accordingly. The Federal Government IS THE CAUSE of this problem. In case it didn’t sink in the first time, please allow me say it again. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS THE CAUSE OF THIS PROBLEM! Hello?! McFly?!

    The National Defense Authorization Act is a Trojan horse to remove one of the few remaining obstacles to Federal despotism. Gov. McDonnell means well, but he isn’t using his noggin. He is out-thinking himself. We’d be out of our minds to expose ourselves further to the inmates who are running the asylum inside the Beltway. I’d rather take my chances with terrorists, thank you very much!


    America has up until 9/11 - honored the precept that human beings were created with fundamental rights, rights not bestowed upon them by their government but by their Creator.  Lawful government is restricted in its scope by its duty to protect the life, liberty and property of the governed.  The right to trial and the right to face your accusers and answer charges against you is as ancient a fundamental right as you get.  Historically, governments not restricted by populace contract to protect fundamental rights of the governed, quickly mutate into beasts of conquest and terror.  Our American federal government, growing ever beyond our ability to pay for it; with less and less connection and responsibility toward the will of the People is transforming itself in to a beastly tyrannical reign.  The NDAA gives the federal government authority to deny us our right to defend ourselves.  This ‘war on terror’ has become a war against a free society and a war against truth, justice and a boot in the face of lawful government.  McDonnell and Comstock are active tools of a political agenda that cannot and will not benefit American freedom, prosperity or security.


    In the ten years since 9/11, the federal government has gradually conditioned Americans to accept ever-encroaching and indefinite intrusions in every area.  I can’t open a bank account without complying with a federal anti-terrorism law or board a plane without revealing my naughty bits to the TSA.  I fear for the country that ignores Ben Franklin’s admonition that a country willing to exchange liberty for a little security deserves neither. 

    I believe all of the representatives are well-intentioned.  They aren’t all correct.  Further, I respect the good professor’s assessment that a law may not be needed, however, passage of HB1160 sends a clear and strong message that Virginia, the incubator of our Constitution and home to three of our nation’s greatest champions of liberty;  Washington, Jefferson and Madison, is not going to exchange the liberty or sovereignty of its citizens for the illusion of, not in actual fact the guarantee of security. 

    It’s important to note that since 9/11 and despite enormous power grants, ceding of any number of individual protections and liberties already, resources and funding, our government still can’t coordinate much.  Most of these incipient terrorists such as the Times Square bomber and underwear bomber are stopped, caught or reported by ordinary citizens, not federal agents.  How can any reasonable person argue that forfeiting more rights is necessary to protect the nation?  Moreover, if such measures are viewed as necessary to protect the nation, how free do we remain and what are the limits of federal power? 

    It’s time for citizens to rediscover federalism, and the implications of granting vast national powers to a government which often abuses them.  Witness our past:  internment camps established by the federal government, and any number of other infringements - all with the best of intentions presented as national security measures. 

    What’s truly ironic, is the total failure of the federal government to protect our borders or prohibit entry by many of these terrorists who are not citizens, but who always seem to be able to obtain visas, green cards or naturalized citizenship!  HB1160 is necessary.

    Let’s all remember Virginia’s motto:  Sic Semper Tyrannis.  It’s time to start living it.


    Apparently Comstock, as well as Governor McDonnell are useful idiots OR willing participants of 0bama’s Totalitarian takeover of America.

    The NDAA is the most TREASONOUS act in the history of this great nation. How any sober minded, relatively intelligent, American can argue in favor of STRIPPING ALL AMERICANS OF THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS AGAINST ILLEGAL SEARCH, SEIZURE, INDEFINITE DETENTION, ‘RENDITION’, TORTURE, AND ASSASSINATION BASED ON SUSPICIONS RATHER THAN A BODY OF EVIDENCE IS BEYOND BELIEF!

    For you sheep out there who seriously buy this act why don’t you ask yourselves these obvious questions; and that is if this administration was so concerned about American security, WHY DON’T THEY SEAL OUR SOUTHERN BOARDER INSTEAD OF SUEING STATES THAT TRY TO DO JUST THAT? WHY DON’T THEY RACIALLY, ETHNICALLY, PROFILE KNOWN, IDENTIFIABLE TERRORIST GROUPS INSTEAD OF DRAGGING GRANNY AND HER COLOSTOMY BAG THROUGH TSA SECURITY? WHY DO THEY SPY ON AMERICAN CITIZENS THROUGH THE PATRIOT ACT INSTEAD OF DEPORTING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS? WHY DID HOMELAND SECURITY LIST HOMESCHOOLERS, CONSTITUTIONALISTS, PRO-LIFERS, RON PAUL SUPPORTERS, GUN OWNERS, PEOPLE WITH MORE THAN A 3 DAY FOOD SUPPLY, (AND THE LIST GOES ON!!!) AS PROSPECTIVE DOMESTIC TERRORISTS?

    Freedom loving, independent, hard working Americans who hate Socialism, Communism, Marxism, etc, are the enemies of this administration. And now, the Poser in Chief has USURPED to himself complete AUTHORITARIAN, DICTATORIAL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, TOTALITARIAN POWER TO LABEL YOU AN ENEMY OF THE STATE WITH NO EVIDENCE, NO TRIAL, NO RECOURSE, AND SHIP YOU TO AN UNDISCLOSED LOCATION FOREVER.

    Not To mention our Secretary of Defense, Leon Panetta, insisting in a Congressional hearing that HE derives HIS authority to direct OUR TROOPS into military action through the international community, NATO, and the President himself! When pressed by Senator Jeff Sessions about the Constitutional requirements to go through Congress Panetta refused to acknowledge that! This is a blatant act of treason for which he should be removed from office and put on trial! Constitutionally, our President DOES NOT BECOME COMMANDER IN CHIEF UNLESS AND UNTIL CONGRESS APPROVES A DECLARATION OF WAR. For any president to commit troops or arms to ANY military engagement, WHATSOEVER, without Congressional consent, is an act of TREASON AND SEDITION. WHY DO WE REFUSE TO CALL THESE OFFENSES AGAINST OUR NATION WHAT THEY ARE?

    And if THAT wasn’t bad enough, our FBI Director, Robert Mueller, when asked if he thought he had the authority to ASSASSINATE AMERICAN CITIZENS ON AMERICAN SOIL said he WASN’T SURE AND WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK TO THE COMMITTEE ON THAT!!!!

    Ms. Comstock, you and our Governor are a disgrace to this great nation. IF YOU SUCCEED, ALL the blood and sacrifice of MILLIONS OF BRAVE AMERICANS WHO OFFERED THEIR LIVES TO PROTECT WE THE PEOPLE FROM POLITICAL HACKS AND TRAITORS LIKE YOU WILL HAVE SACRIFICED FOR NOTHING.

    As for the rest of you gentle readers, STAND UP AND SPEAK OUT NOW OR FOREVER RUE THE DAY THAT YOU FAILED TO DO SO. CALL and EMAIL THE GOV! Adam.Zubowsky@governor.virginia.gov
    804.786.2211


    Well! Ms. Comstock!
    Sounds like you have been suckered in by the Obama Administration’s so called “Justice Department”!
    Either remove the (R) from behind your name or take off the “SHEEP SKIN” for you are a Wolf in the REPUBLICAN FOLD!  Even MOST DEMOCRATS AGREE WITH THIS PROTECTIVE BILL! (THANK YOU!)
    We, the PEOPLE of the Great Commonwealth of Virginia, WILL NOT SURRENDER OUR RIGHTS Simply to afford LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL TO “SHARE INFORMATION”.....When citizens are willing to give up freedom for so called “security”?????......they will have neither!
    Besides, there are CITIZENS who have witnessed THE FBI ASSISTING TERRORISTS onto air planes without as much as a Passport or going through TSA!  (WE,  law abiding citizens) HAVE TO BE “MOLESTED”  BY TSA PREDATORS TO GET ON AN AIRPLANE!).... Referencing (The Underwear BOMBER!)  and other reports of FBI involved in Terrorism set ups.
    Seems what we need is a new JUSTICE DEPARTMENT and FBI! FBI and CIA seems to have problems ‘sharing information’ with each other,  and YET, YOU WANT US TO GIVE UP OUR RIGHTS TO SHARE WITH THEM? DON’T THINK SO!

    We will get a chance to VOTE on your “motivation” and ‘concern’ eventually…...and those who Passed this Federal Law, too! 


    Governor McDonnell….......PLEASE….SIGN THE BILL!.......... OR RESIGN!


    How can anyone agree with letting the government snatch people from their homes without any charges, legal counsel or trial?  Oh, the kicker is that they can jail you FOREVER… How often do you see the ACLU and Tea Party people come together to support a bill???  This is a clear indication of how important this bill is!


    Barbara Comstock does not understand the bill.  It doesn’t prevent VA authorities from coordinating with FBI, Homeland Security, CIA, or any other Federal Agency on terrorism matters.  What it does do is prohibit Virginia employees from aiding military forces in apprehending US citizens in Virginia and holding them without trial or charges.


    So what is Loudoun County’s game plan when it comes to readying for OWS Act II?

    “Occupy Wall Street (OWS) has promised to deliver mass civil unrest and anarchy starting next month.  Most media have been looking the the other way while OWS uses this time to recruit.

    “They have plenty of money from a new entity called the Resource Movement Group (RMG), bankrolled by wealthy supporters sympathetic to the movement. (ABC News, March 8, 2012) “The backers include Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield of ice cream maker Ben & Jerry’s, as well as Danny Goldberg, former manager of Nirvana.  Their goal is to raise $1.8 million, to be given out as grants of up to $25,000 each to protesters whose projects win RMG’s approval.”

    “They claim to have already trained 100,000 activists.”

    So…what is the game plan of Loudoun County authorities, who are paid to keep the public peace?  Are Loudoun County’s law enforcement officers ready for it?


    If Marshall is behind this then it is a bogus bill.


    The bill says nothing about info sharing.  It doesn’t prevent the lawful support of federal agencies - it prevents our officers from supporting UNLAWFUL actions by the Federal Government.  Our officers could be subject to criminal charges for supporting civil rights violations. 

    It compels the Feds to work within the parameters of the Constitution, which they have deemed fit to sidestep.  They can’t do it here. period.  I WAS NYPD during 911; None of US are calling for a revamping of the Constitution and we are tired of people using the deaths of our friends to advance a nefarious political agenda.  Comstock & McDonnell didn’t live through it, I did.  THey are disgracing the deaths of my friends and tramping over the basic Constitutional rights of Virginians to get a spot in a Romney administration.  So I guess Comstock & McDonnell meet the definition of enemies of the people.


    Virginia does not need no stinking help from no stinking Federal Government lead by that stinking Obama to fight terrorist, we got gunnecks with guns.  Just the way they treat women in this State should demonstrate how tough we are and scare any terrorist to Maryland.

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