ALEXANDRIA — Delegate Bob Marshall hopes to do for lightbulbs in Virginia what California did for marijuana and Arizona did for guns. But he faces an uphill climb.
The Manassas Republican introduced a bill to allow makers of incandescent lightbulbs to set up shop in Virginia after a federal ban on the bulbs went into effect Jan. 1.
Marshall, a skeptic of global warming, said he has safety concerns about the compact fluorescent bulbs, or CFBs, that are supplanting traditional lightbulbs. The more energy-efficient bulbs carry traces of mercury, and federal guidelines recommend evacuating the site of a broken bulb for up to 10 minutes before trying to clean it.
“The solution is worse than the problem,” he said, “When you drop one of these mercury bulbs you have hazardous materials. It’s a health risk that you wouldn’t have with one of Mr. (Thomas) Edison’s bulbs.”
The same federal guidelines, however, say mercury levels fall below hazardous standards, and increased efficiency has resulted in lower levels of mercury.
Marshall’s proposal would avoid the Interstate Commerce Clause in federal law by limiting distribution to the state. The federal government has used the clause to push regulation on items including guns and drugs. The legislation mirrors efforts in Arizona, where in-state gun magazines have skirted federal firearm regulations, as well as California’s own medical-marijuana industry.
“I have identified other powers reserved to states under the 10th Amendment that we can manufacture these in Virginia without federal interference,” he said. “This is the kind of economic development I get behind. We’re not tossing taxpayer money at companies, we are just allowing them to exist.”
Constitutional scholars are skeptical. Saikrishna Prakash, who teaches constitutional law at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, said Marshall’s efforts may not hold up in court.
“If the federal government does not want these bulbs built, they can ban interstate and foreign trade and, to make the ban more effective, they can ban intrastate trade to prevent the bulbs from trickling into the market,” he said.
Prakash said the lightbulb policy could go the way of California’s legalization of medical-marijuana production in 1996. In the 2004 case, Gonzales v. Raich, the Supreme Court ruled even if marijuana was grown for personal medical use, legal under state law, the federal government can ban production under interests of interstate commerce.
“Supreme Court doctrine over the years has indicated that Congress can regulate intrastate sales if it relates to interstate sales, so I’m not sure it would hold up,” Prakash said.
Marshall’s proposal says the Virginia Attorney General’s Office would defend bulb makers if the federal government tried to stop production.
“If we tell them they have the protection of the state of Virginia and our attorney general, then they will say that Virginia is the place to do business,” he said.
Caroline Gibson, spokeswoman for Republican Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, said the office has not yet taken a position on the proposal.
Under a 2007 federal law, the U.S. Congress adopted efficiency standards that did away with traditional 100-watt light bulbs. The law led to increased production of CFBs, and light-emitting diode bulbs, or LEDs, which can be up to 10-times more expensive than traditional bulbs but save energy costs over time.
Former Republican President George W. Bush signed the bill into law, but his contemporary party mates, including Marshall, have taken aim at the regulation.
“This was not a response to consumer demand; it was the federal government interfering in something it had no business doing,” he said.
Should the proposal become law, there’s a decent chance it could survive.
Gonzales v. Raich has not interrupted the medical-marijuana trade in California, which has grown into a $2 billion industry with more than 2,000 dispensaries.
“You have all of these U.S. attorneys and marshals and FBI and they have to determine who they’re going after, and they decided to spend their resources elsewhere,” Prakash said. “That doesn’t mean it’s legal, it just means the federal government does not have the resources to shut down the activity.”
The federal government’s ability to crack down on traditional incandescent light bulbs has even fewer resources after congressional Republicans defunded the enforcement program in December.
But even if the law passes, Virginia is unlikely to attract any new business, since energy companies have invested millions preparing for the bulb ban, said Joe Higbee, spokesman for the National Electrical Manufacturers Association, or NEMA, an industry lobbying group based in Rosslyn.
“The traditional incandescent bulb is not being made anymore,” he said. “People are still able to purchase incandescent bulbs; they are more advanced and efficient because manufacturers are looking ahead.”
Marshall is not worried.
“The market is still there, and I think there are plenty of entrepreneurs in Virginia who will take the industry forward if we provide them protection,” he said.
Environmental groups have pledged to contest Marshall’s proposal.
“We don’t want any type of circumvention of these environmental protections,” said Lisa Guthrie, executive director of the Virginia League of Conservation Voters, or VLCV.
State Sen. Dave Marsden, D-Alexandria, does not expect the bill — or the spirit behind it — to advance far.
“I don’t think it’s going anywhere; they tried this same thing with guns in the past and it hasn’t gone anywhere,” he said. “This whole ‘keep-it-in-Virginia’ mindset makes Virginia look like it has secessionist tones, which is not good for business.”
Marshall said Jan. 4 that he plans to move forward with the proposal when the General Assembly 2012 session begins. The session starts next week.
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Marshall’s light bulb bill:
Discussion tomorrow in Commerce Subcommittee
http://dela.house.virginia.gov/chamber.nsf/25a36f93318da5f8852569d60077b3ed/2de4c40863c30e698525798900521a34?OpenDocument
It turns out that there are a group of individuals who like to jam incandescents up their butts and squeeze their cheeks until they break inside of them. This must part of their plan to make sure they have an adequate supply. Why else would they be so “retentive” regarding this issue?
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also, updates on the 7 local American state bills against the ban, as well as on US legislation, and the Canada 2 year delay
http://ceolas.net/#li01inx
Extensive coverage of Bob Marshall’s Virginia bill, its background, and on federal v state regulations elsewhere:
http://freedomlightbulb.blogspot.com/2012/01/virginia-bulb-bill-and-its-background.html
In three hundred years we will all be living on the USS Enterprise with unlimited food, water and energy. So live it up people!! Burn as much energy as you can!! You are entitled to it. Because in a couple of hundred years Capt Kirk and Spock will have this pesky problem of limited resources figured out and they’ll invent a machine to make as much coal, oil, natural gas, wind mills and solar panels as we want just as we are running out of the stuff. Further, they’ll invent superconductors to act as our power grid to replace the infinite number of power lines required to deliver an infinite amount of power. They’ll create an infinite amount of rails and rail cars to carry the infinite amount of coal. And they’ll create an infinite amount of windmills and solar panels to cover the entire planet so that not one gust of wind or drop of sunlight will go to waste. If we need more they’ll make a machine to clone the earth using the infinite amount of energy gained from their invention.
Sounds a lot like the perpetual machine. Though, I’m sure there are those out there that believe in that too! Anyways, have a great day and thank you Star Trek for giving us pointless hope in things that cannot possibly exist!!
This whole thing sounds like Big Money influencing local politics when it can’t influence them at the national level.
The money quote is this:
“This was not a response to consumer demand; it was the federal government interfering in something it had no business doing”.
Just because you say there’s no consumer demand doesn’t make it so. At the same time, regulating goods for environmental concerns is _exactly_ what the government has business doing.
And anyone who thinks the current federal government is leftist is a fool, a shill, or both. They’re a bunch of well-insulated one-percenters, a mix spineless moderates and vicious rightwingers, with just enough liberals to still be punching bags.
Did you ever hear the story about how Bill Gates used up all of the propane gas across three counties one winter just to heat his driveway? Ask the people what they thought about the free market system when they couldn’t buy propane to heat their homes or cook their food. Many of them had to go out and buy woodburning stoves, kerosene heaters or oil burning heaters. Some spent thousands on new heating systems and stove systems in order to avoid the situation from happening again. I wonder what those people think of the new gov’t regulations to limit energy usage based on a new light bulb considering that they wished Bill Gates had conserved a little bit more in their lives.
I’m seeing voices from both ideologies being voiced here: Communism Model and Capitalism / Free Market Model. History has told us that both fail. In particular, Free Market fails because there is no such thing as a “Free Market” once humans are involved and there is no such thing as “unlimited resources” whether you are talking unbridled capitalism or unbridled socialism. Further, all people don’t make rational or sound economic decisions with their money 100% of the time. That’s a fact. And most people think they are making informed decisions about purchases but do not because they don’t have all of the information. Think of those people that bought Chinese drywall. They thought that they were making a rational decision right? But they had no idea what toxic stuff was in there. Further, Chris Rock has a joke that all black people are bad with money because all they do is buy rims with it. Imagine a society where 80 to 90 % of the population took all of their money and bought rims with it. Would we be better off as a country? But that would be Free Market right? What if everyone bought so many rims that cars could no longer be produced because there was a shortage of materials? Sounds wacky right? I would imagine we would then have “Mine Baby Mine” candidates and that those trying to pass laws to reduce the amount of metal used in rims were akin to stealing their freedoms. Let’s take this argument one step further. What if a rare earth material was being used to build rims and it’s lack of supply affected the ability of the US Gov’t and military from protecting our nation? Would the gov’t be wrong in stepping in and banning the use of that material in rims such that we can defend this nation and fight and win wars? If a more efficient bulb reduces consumption by 7 to 12%, could this actually help secure our economic futures, supply of future energy sources and help us obtain a more secure energy future? Perhaps increase national security by having more domestic energy available (since we would be using less), reducing price volatility and increasing economic and political stability? Could you argue otherwise? Sure 200 people are losing their jobs in Winchester VA because of this. But haven’t millions lost their jobs due to globalization anyways for other reasons? Could this layoff of 200 people been perfect cover or a perfect political excuse for GE for a decision that was in the works already?
Wish this moron would focus on helping us skirt marijuana laws instead of wasting everyone’s time on lightbulbs. Why is it most of the “you must” stuff comes from the GOP side of the aisle—even as they complain about regulation?
The next great war will be over resources. Either it be Food, Water, or Commodities. That is just a fact of life. We cannot “save” ourselves into prosperity. Bumping up fuel efficiency on vehicles means nothing when you have millions to billions of 3rd world countries moving into the 21st century. 1.3/billion Chinese going from Bikes to Cars will dwarf any fuel savings you squeeze out of 300/million Americans. Throw in another 1/billion people in India and you get the point.
The biggest threat to the world is Affluence. The more people who move from poverty to prosperity, the greater the problem. But supporting foolish ideals of putting a halt to the drilling and exploration of Oil and NatGas in favor of Solar and Wind is a recipe for economic disaster.
Given the recent discovers of 100+/yr supply of NatGas, we should be championing the idea of NatGas Power Plants and NatGas vehicles. Yet the EnviroNazis see all fossil fuels as evil and that is only hurting everybody in the end.
As for taxation, the point I was making was one of fairness. If the Leftist Government currently in power wants to curb the use of inefficient electrically powered devices (ie: incandescent light bulbs), then they shouldn’t single out specific devices in the economy, but tax the primary source of power all those devices need. Then hike taxes so that only purchasing the most efficient devices makes economic sense. Thus spreading the pain of encouraging Green living is felt by all.
Targeting specific devices, industries, etc creates political divisions that lead to the current hostile nation we have now. Its on par with Pre-Civil War society split over Slavery. Except now it is split over issues of energy discovery, distribution, and consumption. This might as well be 1860 with Democrats v. Republicans as proxies for North v. South.
Glad to see someone else shares my views on the cancer known as the Baby Boomers, that continues to suck any potential for future prosperity out of the nation.
Keep on taking guys, just like you did for the last 30 years. You’ve set this country back at least one generation already with your sense of entitlement and greed. Maybe you can make it two generations if you keep rejecting common sense.
So tax electricity more? So less government, but more taxes. The GOP has gone crazy.
And I think in about 50 years when there are regional wars and economic turmoil because of the lack of natural resources on this planet (that China is buying up and preparing for) the quote “We don’t need the Government denying our right to be stupid and wasteful” from Dixie will sound quite ignorant.
But what will the Baby Boomers care. They are gonna let America burn because there WWII daddies didnt pay enough attention to them and their greedy generation peaked in the 60’s. Can the Baby Boomers be exempt from Medicare- they dont they the government runs it anyway. It would save us future generations some money.
I thought the GOP always complains about leaving the debts for the kids, but they could care less about using up all the resources.
You said it brother. Lemme give you a Rebel Yell shout out. Every sucker deserves the right to buy a gas guzzling vehicle from the 70s, energy wasting light bulbs, non-energy efficient home, or a horse for commuting to work. We don’t need the Government denying our right to be stupid and wasteful so it can achieve a political ideal of Utopian levels of efficiency. Its My Money. My Choice. My Life. My Freedom to do as I see fit.
Instead of picking and choosing light bulbs, the Government should just tax electricity like it does cigarettes. Raising the tax on electricity will achieve the same results the government seeks to implement. Which is hurt people in the wallet until they switch to efficient energy tools.
I support Dixie’s right to pay double for goods and services compared to what the rest of us spend .
Without people like Dixie making money on people’s foolishness would be much harder.
So much for freedom. The Government has now decided we are just children who need to be told which light bulbs to use. We are on the Road to Serfdom.
“Fascism and Communism are merely variants of the same totalitarianism which central control of economic activity tends to produce.”
F.A. Hayek
Let the market decide the best bulb. Even without the federal ban on incandescent bulbs, CFLs were slowly talking over.
We didn’t need the federal government to tell us that CDs/DVDs were better than cassettes/VHS tapes. The market decided that.
I thought this was a free country.
Bob is a guy who is very much for in with the old and out of date and out with the new and inovative. Would someone please beam this guy back to dark ages.
Del. Bob Marshall’s personhood bill “Rights of unborn children. Provides that unborn children at every stage of development enjoy all the rights, privileges, and immunities available to other persons, citizens, and residents of the Commonwealth, subject only to the laws and constitutions of Virginia and the United States, precedents of the United States Supreme Court, and provisions to the contrary in the statutes of the Commonwealth.”
Incandescent light bulbs are gradually being replaced in many applications by other types of electric lights, such as fluorescent lamps, compact fluorescent lamps (CFL), cold cathode fluorescent lamps (CCFL), high-intensity discharge lamps, and light-emitting diodes (LEDs). These newer technologies improve the ratio of visible light to heat generation. Some jurisdictions, such as the European Union, are in the process of phasing out the use of incandescent light bulbs in favor of more energy-efficient lighting
I like how people complain about government waste, while we pay this guy to waste not only state time but federal court time. Waster of valuable time and money, so they can protest sometime that saves time and money.
And small government people celebrate it.
People realize these lower your bill right? Save YOU money? Money that could be saved to LOWER taxes.
All bc you hate Obama. Grow the F up you sorry failure baby boomers.
I blame you Baby Boomers. I self centered temper tantrum of a generation. Your parents were braver and your kids are smarter. Hopefully this country gets past you all ruining this country.
I am against ALL GOVERMENT EXCEPT MEDICARE, SOCIAL SECURITY, MILITARY, and paying low taxes. So I only support 75 percent of all government costs and most of the debt.
Conserving energy??? Sounds European!!!
PS- Mexico is no me gusta
The best energy security policy is to drill more holes and extract more Oil and Natural Gas from within America’s borders.
EISA was a Bush initiative. He wasn’t too stupid to realize that energy efficiency and therefore less overall energy demand to feed the US economy was a good thing.
Glad to see his fellow conservatives here have their head in the sand about the strategic and national security implications of reduced energy consumption per capita.
I would fight anything about the feds PEROID! Lightbulbs!!!! People are getting sicker by the day because of FSC (Fire Standard Compliant) cigerettes! Carpet glue and moth balls are put in cigs now. ever noticed the taste and sickness you are getting? How about the million $ worth of damage in the recent fire to sterling apts. because of these things. Big brother loves to eat steaks while we steal bologna!!! We never got to vote!!!!
Hey Steven, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
As for you sdrawkcab, when you write a law and set standards above what an incandescent light bulb can do, you are effectively banning it. It would be like saying, any vehicle that cannot run 100% on electricity can no longer be sold in the US. So don’t play stupid, when you darn well know that “Sec. 321. Efficient light bulbs.” is the same as an outright ban on incandescent bulbs. The only difference is that you need a decent education to decrypt that legal gibberish. Which is why Congress and the politicians enjoy speaking and writing in Legal-Es so the average voters don’t grasp how they are getting screwed.
@Steven - 39 states have some version of Dillon’s Rule. That hardly makes Virginia “ridiculous”. Dillon’s Rule was a ruling in the mid-19th century.
Another chance to show the world how dumb and behind the times Virginia is! I have only been here for 5 years, with 2 more before I am out of here and cannot believe how archaic this place is! This only adds to the luster of a state mired in the 18th century. Check out this ridiculous thing down in Richmond called the Dillon Rule and don’t tell me this state is out of touch with the real world!
Don’t worry, fluorescent bulbs are just a bump in the roadway on the way to LED technology. LED’s have much lower power consumption, longer life, are dimmable and have no mercury. Some are available already (see Home Depot).
@Rick Astley (btw, is the same Rick that had those 80’s hits?) - what exactly do you mean the “wrong bulb” ? Is there a video I missed on screwing in a light bulb? Fact is, I bought a case of them when I re-did my basement, and apparently, the don’t work very well on a dimmer circuit; many of them stopped coming on altogether. I replaced those with the old incadescents, and they work fine. Lemme guess, I gotta buy a $50 CF-friendly dimmer switch ? I smell a racket.
dyslexic says what?
You equate “Sec. 321. Efficient light bulbs.” with “banning light bulbs”.
Talk about reading what you want to see into things…
“At least we still have the freedom to choose a horse over a car. But obviously inefficient light bulbs are now banned by Socialist Government Decree.”
Thank goodness Congress included earmarks for horse lanes on all public roadways in the latest surface transportation bill (SAFETEA-LU)...
You can hardly fault GW.Bush for this mess. This was just (1) item wedged into a bill created by a Majority Democrat Congress. Calling this GW.Bush’s master plan is foolish. This bill was an attempt at energy independence, but chock full of leftist goodies such as banning the light bulb.
Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007
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TITLE III—ENERGY SAVINGS THROUGH IMPROVED STANDARDS FOR APPLIANCE AND LIGHTING
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Subtitle B—Lighting Energy Efficiency
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Sec. 321. Efficient light bulbs.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=110_cong_bills&docid=f:h6enr.txt.pdf
@Dixie, perhaps your incandescent bulb is burning out..or wasn’t too bright to begin with.
This rule was signed into law by GWB. Is he a socialist now too?
Hate America Derek? I hate Socialist trying to remake the Real America into an image where everything must be rubber stamped for approval by the central commissar’s office. If I want to use an inefficient light bulb, then it is of no concern to the Government. I should have the FREEDOM to choose to use inefficient bulbs and pay double the electric bill if I want. That is my right. You and your leftist liberal enviroNazis believe in a fantasy world called Utopia and you are becoming just like the Fascist of Nazi Germany in your zeal to make everybody in America believe and obey your ideology.
At least we still have the freedom to choose a horse over a car. But obviously inefficient light bulbs are now banned by Socialist Government Decree.
“This is about efficiency and incandescent light bulbs are extremely poor in this regard. Lower energy costs benefit the entire country and economy. Why do you hate America?”
So someone who prefers the incandescent light bulb hates America? Is that what you are saying, Derek?
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@Derek: Why do you hate freedom? Why do you insist upon the use of violence against me if I disagree with the bulb ban?
@Dixie, riding a horse isn’t broken either, but I’m willing to bet you drive a car and fly in airplanes.
This is about efficiency and incandescent light bulbs are extremely poor in this regard. Lower energy costs benefit the entire country and economy. Why do you hate America?
The incandescent light bulb worked fine for 100yrs. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. At least some smart entrepreneur created (bulbs.com) and it appears they have plenty. And I’m sure some factor in China is now making all the money cranking these bulbs out and shipping them to the US for sale.
This reminds me of the Clinton changes when we all got stuck with 1.5/g flush toilets vs. the 3/gal toilets that actually worked. If I had a nickel for every time I had to plunge a 1.5/g toilet, I’d be wealthy beyond the dreams of avarice.
Dixie @ incandescent bulbs come in a wide range of light colors also.
WTF.. The Wrong bulb? Do you have to be a rocket scientist when you go shopping for bulbs? All I want is a blub to stick in a lamp. A bulb is a bulb, right? Talk about people making making simple stuff complex. Must be to keep the bone heads graduating from engineering school employed. Next thing you know, traffic lights will have 10 different colors and ovens will have a 20 step process to get water to boil.
The article’s title is misleading….VA isn’t trying to dodge this regulation, one “the Earth is flat” Republican is!
@Todd Marshall - yes the enforcement money was cut, but no light bulb manufacturer is going back to the old bulbs. They make more money on the new ones, and everyone saves money (except the energy companies) from using less energy.
You won’t be required to buy CFL’s. The new regulation requires efficiency of incadescent bulbs to increase 25%, and will save an estimated $10 billion a year. You can buy these bulbs now, and you can still buy the old ones until they’re off the shelves. California has a good set of FAQ’s around this: http://www.energy.ca.gov/lightbulbs/lightbulb_faqs.html
Hey Bob Marshall, try google first next time. Then you’d know that in December of 2011 Congress overturned (more specifically, made unenforceable) the 2007 law. So you’re wasting time over nothing.
Furthermore a little more reading and you’d realize that the 2007 law was not banning incandescents in the first place, just settings efficiency requirements regardless of bulb type. “Halogena” bulbs are incandescent yet meet the efficiency requirements. Nothing in the 2007 law requires you to use CFLs.
You are buying the wrong bulbs. CFL is come in many different light types. Home Depot has a chart in their bulb section as a guide to what cfl you need for the type of light you want. And yes I have them and the light is identical to a incandescent bulb. And by the way incandescents also come in different light types.
I feel a wax candle may be the answer….. they give off better light than some of this new junk. I find the best way to deal with these new lights is to turn them on first and come back later when they are warmed up so you can see. That saves energy…....NOT
If your CFLs are dying in 3 months, than you’re buying the wrong bulbs. Mine have been fine for 3 years.
Or perhaps you’re just talking out of your Fox-hole.
Pretty soon we’ll all be forced to use Wax Candles for light.
Thanks a lot, GWB for something we don’t want. The light is terrible on those in comparison. Also, I have not found them to last as long as advertised. This is nothing more than big business making more money on more expensive light bulbs - sure, it’s cheaper in the long run to operate. But only on paper: that assumes electricity rates won’t go up. They will. Then your saving goes out the window.
Winchester, VA had the last major facility making incandescent bulbs in the US, until they decided to shut down:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/07/AR2010090706933.html?sid=ST2010090707038
But don’t worry, I’m sure “dear leader” will find plenty of “green” jobs to employ these displaced workers.
Hey pro-choicers: Let me choose incandescent bulbs.
Instead of regulating light bulbs, they should turn attention to clean power generation. Why would you care abou tmy light bulb if I got my energy 100% from the sun, you wouldn’t! This ban is a red herring.
Maybe we can import regular light bulbs from overseas via online websites. Screw the Government. I’m not buying those jacked up CFC bulbs that claim they’ll work for years and go dead in 3 months.
Vote Ron Paul for less government.
@dixie - i’m being a little sarcastic there :)
Thanks though!
Please…
Fluorescent bulbs have been used in office buildings, garages and homes for decades and we never heard this kind of opposition to their use until now. CF bulbs actually have far less mercury in them than a 3ft, 4ft or 8ft tube yet we still continue to use the latter.
As for the law, it just sets a minimum efficiency on light bulbs. If traditional incandescent bulbs don’t meet the standard, sorry about its luck. There are companies working on more efficient incandescent light bulbs. I wonder how much they will cost.
MrC
Snowflakes@ you are not buying the right ones there are bulbs out there that are instant on and can be used with dimmers and produce the exact light as incandescent. The real story is the manufacturers have too many designs that is confusing the public what is good for them. We should ban the incandescent and also make the new bulbs easier to understand.
I think it’s great what he’s doing. I hate those ugly bulbs, the light is horrible. Hate them!!
@Burndude— You are already being regulated by being told by the Master Socialist that you MUST use CFC bulbs. In a non-socialist nation, the free market will decide who sells the best light bulb, not the Government.
Maybe someone can give Tom “The Accountant” Dunn a light bulb, so that he can find his way in the dark. Like out the door and never coming back.
Why do Republicans insist on regulating us like this?
They were already making them in China. Why the hell would they move their operation to Virginia?
Hey Republicans - go work on Castle Law instead of this garbage. It really is pathetic that these guys are wasting an opportunity to allow Virginians to protect their homes without worrying about lawsuits and being arrested because you weren’t in “enough” danger.
Let’s all get high and shoot lightbulbs!
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