Sowing the seeds of separatism and strife
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Recently LoudounTimes.com ran an incendiary blog by Laura Valle of La Voz of Loudoun County, suggesting a comparison between those in the county who want to uphold the laws pertaining to illegal immigration with Adolf Hitler. Surely Mrs. Valle cannot be unaware of the similarity of her organization’s name with La Voz de Aztlan. After all, she could have named her organization, The Voice of Loudoun, but chose not to.
As a student of the U.S. Civil War, I have seen how the war became increasingly inevitable because of wrongheaded decisions and hardening attitudes in earlier generations. It is practically dogma now to believe that had the Founders dealt with the slavery issue at the time of independence, the Civil War may never have happened.
Nobody knows what will happen as a result of an estimated 20 million foreign nationals entering this country illegally since 1990, most of those from across our common border with Mexico. (This is in addition to the tens of millions of legal immigrants who have become U.S. citizens since the late 1960s). The U.S. has the world's most liberal immigration policies. No other country comes even close. Our generosity is not at issue. What is unique and what is unprecedented is the size, speed and special nature of this vast unlawful population movement, which includes 10 percent of the population of Mexico.
To pretend that somehow Mexicans or Americans are immune to attachment to land, to custom, to language and to culture -- that they do not possess patriotic instincts and ethnic attachments is fanciful wishful thinking. Mexican and American people are human -- and they will behave as all other peoples everywhere in all of human history, in predictable ways. Why on earth would we want to create the conditions in the American Southwest or for that matter all across America, for future civil strife, or in a worst case scenario, civil war? We have heard the "reconquista" diatribe all our adult lives. As the numbers swell to tens of millions, the "reconquista" doesn't sound as fanciful as it once did. Just check out the Web site for La Voz de Aztlan.
This isn't the old familiar immigration we grew up with, the relatively small populations from Eastern Europe, from the Mediterranean, from Japan, from Ireland -- those ancestors of ours who couldn't wait to learn English, who within a generation became more American than Americans, who grabbed hold of the Stars and Stripes and never let go. Sure, our ancestors taught us second languages and, indeed, we celebrate our heritage in the privacy of our homes and among our ethnic and cultural and religious sub-groups. It’s great that we do, but we don't march in angry protest with Irish, Italian or Israeli flags.
What we are witnessing today, what our elites are allowing to happen, indeed abetting, is a burgeoning separatist movement, largely though not exclusively confined to the Southwest. If you study the fertility rates among this population, it's simple to project the future demographics. The Southwest will become, by mid-century, the northern province of Mexico, de facto if not de jure.
How this plays out, in terms of language, sovereignty, separatist movements, civil strife or violent conflict is open to all sorts of speculation. There are many other contested borderlands -- Kashmir, Northern Ireland, Kosovo, Armenia, Kurdistan, Darfur, Chechnya -- we know the tragic list.
Will these tens of millions from south of the border learn English, diminish their strident ethno-centric demands and truly assimilate as previous immigrants have done? Even in this benign view, the population of the United States will have skyrocketed to almost 500,000,000 by mid-century. Open space, protection of wilderness and wildlife, uncrowded cities and suburbs and roads -- functioning schools and hospitals and social services – fuggit about it.
Why are we allowing this to happen? In whose interest, besides Mexico’s elites and the U.S. corporations who want ever cheaper labor, is this?
These are the questions we must consider soberly, unemotionally and rationally. We must have compassion not just for the illegal alien who is being driven out of his indigenous home in Mexico by the corrupt caudillos in Mexico City and lured by the greed merchants of American big business. We must have compassion for our own sons and daughters, for the children of all races and background who will inherit the wind in the coming decades. The curse on those of us who just ignored the problem and let it get worse will be to live into old age to witness the results of our neglect and wishful thinking.
It is our responsibility to seriously think this through, to question our assumptions and some of our cherished notions – to do better than even the Founders did in 1781.
The writer, a resident of Rappahannock County, wrote and directed the movies "Gettysburg" and "Gods & Generals." He can be reached at www.ronmaxwell.com


Mr. Maxwell meanders through history in the manner typical of xenophobes and conspiracy mongers. But we live in a land where freedom of speech is a right, and he is certainly entitled to his opinions. Let's just be clear that these opinions are not shared by most Americans, particularly those residing in Loudoun County.
In Loudoun, we see diversity not as a conspiracy, but as the lifeblood of our nation. La Voz of Loudoun is a community organization providing an important community service.
There is no conspiracy, Mr. Maxwell. America is not at risk. We are a nation of immigrants, growing and changing, always incorporating the democratic values of our Founders.
Stand down, sir, you are not under attack.
Posted by LoudounPatriot
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What planet does this guy Maxwell live on? Diversity, especially in ever-growing Loudoun, is a good thing. He (Maxwell) seems to feel worried about an invasion of illegal aliens. Don't worry, everything is cool. Hispanics won't bite, and La Voz is a solid organization doing all sorts of good things. Get with reality, man!
Posted by pdssks
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I don't believe that Mr. Maxwell is intimating that there is an organized conspiracy. I believe that what he is saying is that the level of illegal immigration, coupled with the level of legal immigration provides an foreign born population within our borders that is larger than we have ever had in our country before. When you consider that, to date, over 10 percent of the population of Mexico has immigrated to the US, one must question how this has happened and why. Mr. Maxwell cites several valid reasons. The fact of the matter is, we have a large Spanish speaking community concentrating in the Southwest as well as other areas of the US. This large concentration is not assimilating very well. All you have to do is watch TV news and read La Voz and La Raza propoganda to realize that there is a segment of this population that has an agenda that is not consistent with the American Society that has existed for over three centuries. I agree that diversity is a good thing and that hispanics don't bite. However we are getting growing pockets that are not very diverse. And when that happens, agendas arise that are not always good.
There are many good reasons to enforce the laws that the United States has on the books regarding illegal immigration. It amazes me that so many people in our society choose to disregard those laws and don't demand enforcement of those laws, all in the name of diversity, or cheap, readily available labor.
Our schools are overwhelmed, our prisons are crammed, our social programs have demands far beyond what they should be, our lower level labor wages are woefully depressed; the list goes on. It isn't about xenophobia; it's about reality. Wake up fellow Americans!
Posted by Publius
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Mr. Maxwell makes a valid argument. The schools are inexcusably overcrowded so the quality of our educational system is suffering, hundreds of hospitals are being shut down because they can't afford to treat the many uninsured illegal immigrants who are using the emergency rooms as their primary caregivers, the wages of hardworking Americans are being lowered because of the influx of cheap workers, they burn our flag and tell us to go back to Europe, and now we have to "Press 1 for English" - where does it end? Until 20, 30% of Mexico's population is here?
Posted by americangirl
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The first two commenters above must have skipped U.S. history class when the 19th and 20th centuries were covered.
We are only a nation of immigrants in the sense that the immigrants eventually became Americans. They did not retain their original languages. They did not retain their former national identities. And the vast majority had minimal contact with their mother country.
Most importantly, in the mid 1920s the United States closed the gates to nearly all immigration for two generations. That was a key factor in facilitating assimilation.
Here in Virginia, we have a growing population of economic migrants who have no intention of becoming Americans and retain their foreign identification into the second generation. (There was a story in the Loudoun Connection newspaper last year showing how kids born here to illegal immigrants consider themselves Peruvians and Guatemalans, not Americans).
This is a huge break with the type of immigration that formed our nation. There is absolutely no historical precedent for what is happening now.
I would suggest anyone who is rushing to defend La Voz read Ms. Valle's column from July 23 in the blog section of this Web site. Ms. Valle is the lone paid employee of La Voz, and she essentially labels as racist anyone who tries to tie overcrowding and related comunity problems with illegal aliens, and states that if all the illegals left these problems would remain. This is an absurd position to take, completely at odds with the reality the citizens of Sterling see on a daily basis - and if this is the world she lives in then we have to wonder about La Voz.
If La Voz' mission is to "integrate immigrants into the fabric of American society" as is often claimed, then I think have every right to ask, as Mr. Maxwell does, why is the organization not called "The Voice?"
Posted by hensley
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Mr. Maxwell’s observations assessment of the current immigration tragedy is absolutely correct. The “don’t ask don’t tell immigration policy” adopted many years ago by all levels of our own Government has led to the current backlash by citizens and legal immigrants all across the county. The public understands what is happening to their communities and what is causing it. They are frustrated with government’s inability to represent their personal and community standards. They are frustrated with governments who, by either design or ineptitude refuse to enforce immigration law. They are frustrated with courts that put the rights of illegal aliens over the rights of citizens. They are frustrated with the amount of money spent supporting people who have no right to be in this country. They are frustrated with a federal government implying that local and state governments accept unlimited illegal aliens for the sake of low wages and business profits.
Public support of government diminishes with time as community after community is impacted with growing numbers of economic refugees lowering the standard of living for all. The consequences for our democratic form of government are at risk if it not responsive to the expectations of its citizens.
Posted by FromHerndon
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Very well thought out piece, thank you Mr. Maxwell. In contrast to those that seem to be stuck on the word "xenophobe", you obviously have invested considerable time in the consideration and analysis of this issue.
One common thread persists among national proponents of illegal immigration, and that is the preservation of their culture. In fact, this is a principal talking point of the National Council of the Race. Imposing your culture upon those of other nations is not preservation of one's culture, it is expansion, and this is precisely what is happening today. I can't help but laugh at those that believe that a community which is greater than 50% European descent is not diverse, yet greater than 50% Central American is. For the pro-diversity crowd, I see this as being indicative of a NIMBY attitude, so long as it is only eastern Loudoun's problem, it is not mine, please leave me to my wine and cheese..
Another propaganda point that I hear very often from the illegal alien apologists is "we need the illegals to harvest our crops, and to keep the cost of home construction down". It appears that they have no problems with the creation of a human subclass in our country, and in many cases seem to favor it. This is not the first time in our history that a subclass of cheap labor has been a cause celebre. History tells us the labor subclass issue was permanently addressed in April of 1865, but this does not appear to be the case.
We must also recognize that there are two groups driving the pro-illegal buses. Those that have the prejudice of personal monetary gain, and those that choose to follow the political party regardless of the debate. To the first group I say, "Invest in America", and to the second "My country, my state, and my community, come before my party".
Posted by dan_va
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This letter should dispel any misconception that all Hollywood directors are liberal. Not only is it fear-mongering - a Latino civil war triggered by a local group, La Voz, whose mission is to help integrate immigrants into the community by teaching them American cultural mores and English - it's also historically inaccurate. For example, can anybody deny that the Civil War was caused by irreconcilable differences between the Southern slave-based economy and the Northern industrial economy. Yes, the war could have been avoided it we simply allowed the south to continue to fuel their economy through chattel slavery.
The letter draws clear lines between "us" and "them", however the lines are drawn incorrectly. "Us" are the people who would like to see our immigrant brothers and sisters integrate and contribute their cultural difference. "Them" are people like Mr. Maxwell who nostalgically cling to an idealized fictitious America that never existed.
Posted by JonathanWeintraub
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I just finished reading the blog written by Ms. Valle, as well as rereading all of the above comments. There are some compelling though somewhat convoluted arguments here. There is also some nonsense hiding behind an intellectual disguise. Using big words and historical references does not automatically make a point correct.
The original blog has many flaws, the gravest of which is to refer to a quote by Adolph Hitler. However, what struck me most is that Mr. Maxwell starts his letter by stating that Ms. Valle suggests “a comparison between those in the county who want to uphold the laws pertaining to illegal immigration with Adolph Hitler.” That is clearly not what Ms. Valle stated and should be clear to anyone who is a decent reader. That alone is cause to question even the best of Mr. Maxwell’s following arguments.
The additional comments that suggest that Ms. Valle “labels as racist anyone who tries to tie overcrowding and related community problems with illegal aliens, and states that if all the illegals left these problems would remain.” does not appear to be true either. I read the blog as asking how anyone could know the immigration status of anyone else just by looking at them. Observing a house, overcrowded as it might be, that is occupied by Hispanics and assuming they are illegal may not be racist but it is foolish. By the way, does anyone have any conclusive numbers of illegal immigrants in Loudoun? Do we know exactly what the net cost to the taxpayer is, after subtracting contributions through employer and consumer taxes? Just curious.
Also, it does not seem fair to judge La Voz only by its name (which is not a good one) and not by the services that it provides, which according to its website include offering English classes.
Finally, to those of you who are terrified of foreign languages being spoken in the United States, check out this really cool website http://www.westegg.com/etymology/. It lists some origins of English words that we use every day. Culture, like language, is not stagnant unless it’s dead. The United States is not a final packaged product. As long as our constitution and laws are defended we can continue to adapt to changes and evolve. Our laws clearly need some work and enforcement right now but there is no need to panic.
Posted by prince
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Thank you for this clearly expressed statement of the situation, Mr. Maxwell. It is encouraging to note that someone with good communications skills and an audio-visual profession is available to make the argument.
I read the Valle article, and I was struck by the fact that this person seemed to be more on a path of self-aggrandizement than sincere advocacy.
I also appreciated the comments by dan_va who is very good at deconstructing the emotionalism that passes for logic in the arguments of the proponents of illegal immigration. Shouting loudly and repeating often do not make a lie into truth.
Whenever I see that name "La Voz" (a really poor choice) I do not think "The Voice." I think "Loudmouth."
Posted by AmericanDaughter
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Wow, prince, all I can say is a segue from illegal immigration to etymology is a sure sign of someone considering the issue from a vantage point that has no illegal aliens anywhere nearby.
"Terrified of foreign languages"?! Yeah, that's the straw man du jour.
Maybe everyone should just read Ms. Valle's post and make up their own minds:
http://www.loudountimes.com/blogs/lif...
Posted by hensley
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Well, as a matter of fact hensley, I have a couple of illegal immigrants right next door. I called ICE to have them deported but it seems they are too busy inspecting grapefruit.
Posted by prince
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Jonathan, did you read the article? Mr. Maxwell specifically says slavery was the cause of the Civil War. But then I guess your point is to change the subject rather than address it.
This essay does not prove Mr. Maxwell liberal nor conservative but only that he is attempting to address the problem as it exists rather than as a theoretical construct. From your perspective in western Loudoun you have a pretty benign take on the issue; one which I think would be much different if you lived further east.
In our group, Help Save Loudoun, we have many members who might be considered "liberal" on a number of issues, but have their eyes wide open on this one. Which, it appears, you don't. Where in Mr. Maxwell's article do you discern an "idealized, fictitious America"?
If you are going to try and discredit this very well-thought out essay, which demonstrates a thorough understanding of American history, please offer some facts.
Posted by joe_b
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Until now, I have not heard anyone so eloquently word the concerns that I and many of my friends and relatives - most of whom have lived in Loudoun County for 50 years or more - have about the escalating problems caused by illegal immigration. Thank you, Mr. Maxwell, for putting forth the time and effort. For the record, I and those I referred to above are not biggots. I welcome diversity. My daugher's school in Eastern Loudoun County is wonderfully diverse. What I abhor is the complete disregard for the laws/regulations of the United States, Virginia, and Loudoun County, as well as for our existing way of life, that those who seek to stay in this county illegally possess.
Posted by ConcernedLoudounN8V
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joe_b,
I just checked out the Help Save Loudoun web site and It seems pretty apparent that HSL is leaving race and ethnicity out of the illegal alien debate, and I applaud HSL for that !
Posted by dan_va
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>to those of you who are terrified of foreign languages
M. Le Prince,
Je ne suis pas d'accord avec votre commentaire.
Yes, I trembled through 4 years of French..
Au revoir !
Posted by dan_va
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Mr. Handsome Joe B,
Mr. Maxwell claimed that the civil war could have been avoided if it weren't for "wrongheaded decisions and hardening attitudes in earlier generations" and that the war may have been avoided "had the Founders dealt with the slavery issue at the time of independence".
How would the founders have dealt with it? Abolitionists felt that slavery was immoral and unacceptable. Slaveholders felt that black people were not fully human. The southern economy, and the country's for that matter, depended on slave labor. What could the founders have done? Legalized slavery? That's what they did. Could they have legislated an end to slavery - "Slavery shall end in 80 years". No. They couldn't foresee that. Students of history know that the steam engine and the cotton gin had as much to do with the end of slavery as the abolitionist movement. History weaves its own story through time, place, people and invention. The idea that the Founders in their powdered wigs could have formulated a future peaceful resolution is precisely what I meant by the phrase "fictitious idealized America".
Posted by JonathanWeintraub
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Dan, cabeza de pan. A little rhyme for you, but it only works if you have a really bad accent.
I just want to say that you are so smart. You are the smartest blog person I have ever read. My god, you are even bilingual!
As for Mr. Maxwell, boy, he is really smart too - It may not be relevant to his brilliant essay but it is worth mentioning that the majority of Hispanic immigrants in Loudoun are from El Salvador. The next largest group is from Peru. I don't know if any of you ever called a Salvadoran a Mexican or a Mexican a Peruvian but I tell ya what, they don't appreciate the confusion. I am trying to envision the Peruvians, Mexicans, Salvadorans, Colombians, Guatemalans, etc, etc, joining ranks to "reconquistar" Loudoun County. This is what you might hear on the battle lines (I'll translate):
"Don't call me buey, you cactus head." say's Jose the Peruvian.
"Shut up you eater of cats" responds Juan the Mexican.
"Hey, don't they have any pupusas around here?" says Pepe the Salvadoran.
"What a moron" answers Jose.
"Yeah, Salvadorans are so dumb" agrees Jose.
Just then Colonel Paco the Colombian, who brings years of experience with weaponry with him from his years with the cartel yells out "OK boys, we are storming the jail! We are going to free our illegal alien brothers that Sheriff Ahlemann captured but ICE never picked up. Then we march to Sterling Park where we will find plenty of rooms to rent and women to whistle at!”
The troops all holler and lift their arms to the air then pile up in their stolen cars with the plates removed and head off to battle.
Mr. Maxwell, if you are interested in collaborating on a new picture just let me know. You can send me a comment.
Posted by prince
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Jonathan, it is not far fetched to suggest that in 1780 the issue that rent the nation 70 years later could have been addressed. I don't have citations handy but I'm pretty sure the issue was being addressed.
Prince, you have a fine imagination. Thanks for sharing because it adds a lot.
Here is an interesting article from last year recounting the recent history of Mexican migration, and some statements from Mexican officials on the matter. Well worth reading:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/...
Posted by joe_b
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I commend Mr. Maxwells' comments. To me it's very clear. Lots of illegal aliens intentionally broke the laws of our nations and there are some who go on to break additional LAWS; drug trafficking, human trafficking, identity theft, driving without a license or insurance. Instead of getting all wound around the axle about human rights, poverty and the like; just recall it's a matter of law (by the way, did Americans during the Great Depression illegally migrate to Canada or Mexico) break the law and suffer the punishment. What La Voz, sympathetic clergy and others should really be doing is to FOCUS your efforts on working with the Mexico and other govt's to fix their countries and economies. We need to complete our fence, deport as many as we can then assist them in correcting the wrongs in their respective countries. It be a much greater to to fix the origin of the problem vs waving the proverbial wand and makeing the illegal legal. I feel it's more compassionate, more in line with the teaching of faith and would certainly be a better approach them most I heard recently. Not only that but instead of us being at odds like we are presently, we could ALL bind together to eliminate this once and for all. How nice would it be for Mexico, Venuzuala, Honduras and others to be able to sustain their own populations, perhaps raise their own qualities of life and so on.
Posted by ConcernedAmerican
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Mr. Maxwell is wrong. Not because he is reasonable or unreasonable. He is wrong because he is too late. The thoughtful, reasoned response to the illegal immigrant crisis is no longer possible. My family came from Fairfax County and if you Virginians want to see what it means to be overrun with illegal aliens, you only have to come to Texas.
There is little assimilation, there is little effort to become American, it is only an invasion by foreign people, mostly Mexican. If this does not concern you, then stand back out of the way and those who ARE concerned will deal with the problem.
A national debate on the subject of illegal immigration would have been a good idea prior to 1965....there was none. There should have been a national debate before the big amnesty of 1986, but there was none. Now tens of millions of illegal aliens later, some people want to discuss it. There will be no discussion and no debate. There is simply nothing left to discuss and no cool heads to do the discussion.
The illegal aliens are going to be removed from this country. The only question remaining is whether they will leave peacefully or will it be by violence. Some want to give the political process a chance to act peacefully, with attrition through selective deportation. Others say this is a stalling tactic and the political people cannot be trusted to act in good faith. There are good and reasonable causes that make trust hard to come by on this issue.
My sense is....we are all sitting on a powder keg waiting for a spark to set it all off. Mr. Maxwell is right by comparing it to the slavery question. In fact, all of the arguments I have heard in favor of the illegals was exactly the same arguments used to preserve Negro slavery prior to the Civil War. I suspect, the same arguments will fall flat, as they did before.
This is not diversity, which we have always had in this country. This is an invasion and no different from any other invasion. And it will be turned back, in the same way other invasions have been defeated.
If you are not going to defend this country, I suggest you stay back out of the way. There are good many Americans who will.
Don Reynolds
Austin, Texas
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