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Guns and coffee: Starbucks again an open carry policy battleground

photoSeveral gun advocates are using this logo as their Facebook page photo on Valentine’s Day.

Starbucks is being boycotted today for its gun policy. The company is also selling a truckload of coffee.

An anti-gun group attempted to organize a nationwide boycott of the popular coffee chain on Valentine’s Day, starting the movement two weeks ago. Members of The National Gun Victim’s Alliance Council, or NGAC, became worried that customers could carry in guns while grabbing a cup of joe.

“Starbucks allowing guns to be carried in thousands of their stores significantly increases everyone’s risk of being a victim of gun violence,” NHAC CEO Elliot Fineman argued in a media release. “Open and conceal and carry are among the reasons there are 12,000 gun homicides each year in the U.S.”

Loudoun gun activist Ed Levine chuckled when he heard about the movement. And then he struck back, launching his own Facebook event and putting up a Youtube video explaining the situation. He is encouraging gun owners to support Starbucks to counter-act the boycott.

“Some time ago, a couple gun owners went to a coffee shop and got kicked out,” Levine said. “So they went to Starbucks, and Starbucks didn’t say anything except let the people enjoy their coffee, and that was that.”

Levine said the anti-gun groups, of which there are many, requested that Starbucks enforce a stricter stance to guns in their locations.

“Starbucks basically said that they don’t want to be in the middle of a gun battle,” Levine said. “If it’s legal to carry a gun then let them carry a gun. We just want to sell coffee.”

In 2010, when the Starbucks and guns debate last peaked, the morning beverage giant released a statement regarding the company’s position on open carry gun laws.

“While we deeply respect the views of all of our customers, Starbucks’ long-standing approach to this issue remains unchanged,” the March 16, 2010 release states. “We comply with local laws and statutes in all the communities we serve. That means we abide by the laws that permit open carry in 43 U.S. states.”

At press time, the boycott group had less than 500 likes on Facebook. The Facebook “event” that Levine started with fellow gun-heads Dale Paris and Bryan Reynolds has catapulted to more than 22,000 attendees with more than 2,000 “maybes,” and upwards of 110,000 others that had been invited.

Levine has even suggested using $2 bills to indicate the support for the second amendment; the right to bear arms.

“I’m going to make it rain with $2 bills at Starbucks,” Levine said.

While Starbucks has been a battleground of sorts for gun control in the last few years, the company reiterates that it just wants to follow the law and let people enjoy their coffee.

“As a company, we are extremely sensitive to the issue of gun violence in our society,” the Starbucks release states. “Our Starbucks family knows all too well the dangers that exist when guns are used irresponsibly and illegally.

Without minimizing this unfortunate reality, we believe that supporting local laws is the right way to ensure a safe environment for both partners and customers.”

And apparently, it’s a surefire way to sell a lot of coffee.


There are not 12000 gun related homicides a year, there were only 8775 gun murders out of in 12,996 murders in 2010. Gun homicides are declining at a 14% rate while homicides are only declining at a 4-12% rate a year. More and more homicides in the recession are family annihilators and of the 4 main groupings of causes of homicide (gangs, drugs, argument, other) other which is what these fall under is the least likely to use a gun (55%). Arguments leading to homicide are less likely to use guns also (under 60%). Gang and drug disputes use guns more than 90% of the time.

Look at Loudoun Co, most of our homicides in the last decade are domestic argument (The Bennetts are the exception) and not one was gun related. Stabbings, strangulation, beatings, and hammer.

On the flip side last year armed gunmen attacked a home owner and some of his guests in Sterling looking to rob the mans safe, the homeowner had a gun in that safe and killed one, injured another of the three robbers and none of the innocent bystanders were injured.

the 12000 gun deaths had nothing to do with anyone who can legally open or conceal & carry guns in Starbucks. Ridiculous. Also, NGAC does not know who is carrying where & when, if they have a LEGAL conceal & carry permit. So maybe the members of NGAC should not GO ANYWHERE ANYMORE and hide out in their houses, then they will not risk being around any weapons (guns, knifes, etc) in public!

kazoo - You talk about the NRA crowd being paranoid and dishonest then you spout every lie in the book and then you likely sit around at home wonder why your side of the debate is losing ground day by day as the American public become more and more pro gun.

Way to be a hypocrite and to post the nonsense causing you to lose the debate. Please keep up the good work.

Bet this story didn’t get as much play in other parts of the country as here? Perhaps Starbucks is looking for additional marketing strategies since they have competition from non-chains?  I prefer coffee with trusted friends rather than armed strangers, even though I subscribe to home protection.  I just question the fear factor on both sides of this issue.

The pro-gun/NRA crowd is absurd—a bunch of paranoid cowboy wannabees. They blather constantly about how owning a gun will make their families or society safer—but that argument is a big red herring. Gun owners do not deter criminals. Some goof above tries to suggest that the Holocaust might have been avoided had Jews carried guns! Progressive, intelligent people don’t want to carry guns because they are smart enough to know that an innocent person is more likely to be shot with somebody’s gun than a criminal—as a result of an accidental shooting, mistaken identification or some guy just blowing his top. Fact is, there are a million hotheads walking and driving around—men with anger issues or mental issues of one kind or another, and all it takes is something to set them off and they start shooting. We see it every week! Gun owners like to tell us how “responsible” they are, which may be true—until they freak out about something and become grossly irresponsible. That’s the reality—not this NRA fantasy about gun-toting citizens saving us from terrorists. The safety issue is a MYTH.

Leave the coffee alone or I will shoot you.

Some hormonal birth control will be outlawed under HB1, VA “Personhood” ruling.  What’s worse is HB462 and SB484, trans-vaginal ultrasound probes without consent (state sanctioned rape) - check it out. Blunt Amendment in the US House will permit denial of basic contraceptive coverage for any reason. 

If you don’t want to carry, don’t want birth control or abortion, don’t!  But don’t prevent others from exercising rights. Thank God my husband gets it, and if you care about women’s health do the research.  Men benefit from contraception and healthy women.  Protected by 2A but not from VA Big Government?

Great comment Kathy. Bad guys beware.

Big Government - What in the world are you talking about? Birth control is not banned in VA.

So Virginians can carry guns but not birth control? What’s wrong with this picture?

all i can say is that if a bad buy looking to rob a place at gunpoint, right now is less likely to go to a starbucks in virginia because there could be law abiding, gun carrying citizens in there.  or do you think the robber will stop himself at the front door to starbucks and say to himself, “hmmm….darn….starbucks doesn’t ALLOW guns…guess I can’t go in and rob those guys at gunpoint”.  i don’t think so.

“I’m a 2A supporter but never want to be grouped into the same column as pieces of trash like…..”

@ “Protecting Myself”:  “pieces of trash”??  And what set of values does that represent, exactly, when you refer to other human beings as “pieces of trash”?  Please enlighten us.

If guns cause crime then mine are defective.
Some have been in the family for 3 generations and have yet to cause any crime.

Thank you fedupdude.  Only through the start but it seems like a good piece.  I’ll finish it later and check his sources to see what else I can find.

I do not have the direct study only some bits from it reference here http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/kdowst/competen.html

@ Fedupdude

Please link that Missouri study.  I would like to read it.

The whole shooting bystanders thing is a bogus argument because it does not happen. There are hundreds if not thousands of robberies turned shoot out on record and anyone other than the criminal getting hit by the legal gun owner is super rare almost none existent.

Miami has 21000 CCW holders and over 6 years there were dozens of cases of them getting into altercations with criminals and not one was disarmed and not one shot and bystander.

A Missouri study finds that legal gun owners are 83% successful at killing or driving off attackers where the police are only successful 68% of the time. Only 2% of civilian and 11% of police shootings involved and innocent bystander and all of the civilian shooters were felons protecting a drug stash.

No Rick, you missed the important part.  One of the girls was shot in the gunfire.  It would have been much better for all the girls to be raped and murdered instead of one of them receiving a non-fatal wound.  Booo surviving, right DBP?

hey Phil, do you think that the people in this situation are glad or angry at Mr. Bailey?
Doesn’t look like Mr. Bailey will be sharing a cell with “LeRoy” (which is racist on your part, by the way)

@Revenge of the Teabaggers - What is it you feel needs researching? You do not seem to be pointing out any errors you just seem to be criticizing someone without factual back up for what you said.

@ Miss DBP

Since some people are irresponsible drivers and cause car accidents we should ban driving for everyone, right?  Some people being bad with guns does not warrant removing them from the ones who aren’t.  If you want to rob a store at gunpoint, are you more likely to do it in a store where everyone else in there had a gun, or the store where nobody else has a gun.  Remove guns from responsible people and only irresponsible people will have guns.

I’m sorry you shake and tremble in fear when bad things happen.  However, it’s not my fault that you grew up without a father and I should not be punished for it.  I learned around the age of 10 how to control my emotions in terrible situations.  It’s ok if you’re too scared to handle the responsibility of a firearm, but that doesn’t mean you should take it away from men (and women not named DBP) who can handle that responsibility.  And you ma’am are the one who has watched too many Chuck Norris films, as apparent from your idea that everyone is going to be shooting at each other in a crowded train station or something like that.  Criminals usually don’t target people in public places, which is why if you need to meet someone shady, you do it in a public place.  I know almost for a fact that I will never have to use a gun in a real life situation.  I’m not going to go chasing down bad guys or hiding behind telephone polls in a big 20 person shootout.  However if that rare situation comes up where I DO need to protect myself, I will not adopt your policy of simply bending over and taking it.  I will not assume that all the 0 innocent bystanders in an alleyway are safer by my lack of means to protect my wife from being raped.  I do not live in fear and I will not be a victim.

@theTerrible1 do you have a clue what the word “research” means.  That’s the problem with this country too many dumb people thinking that things in their minds are actually facts.  Do your research or just say my opinion is X

“S&W Ladysmith .357 Magnum - God bles her - on my hip”

On the eighth day God blessed guns? Just asking.

Miss Dollarbillphil, you are a fool. Maybe you should be out dancing on cars with your leather outfit and rainbow flag.

Davedave - There is no speculation or hearsay in what I posted, I posted about what Obama and Holder have said and testimony into the AFT boondoggle known ans Fast and Furious.

Why has there been no attempt at national law? Because it is a loser of a topic for the left that costs them elections. Instead this administration has tried to back door policies through the Justice department and the ATF.

If you don’t want to see it your just showing what a blind tool you are.

...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed… Can some one please show me some place else in the Constitution where the founding fathers of our country screwed-up the wording??? We hear about mass shootings on the news and they are ALWAYS in “gun free zones”, how many times have criminals shot-up gun stores, pawn shops, police stations, gun shows or NRA events??? Do any of you even understand that LAW ABIDING PEOPLE are not the ones who commit gun violence?? It’s better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have one.

By the way its Mr. DBP to you gunnecks.  If criminal knows you have a gun, he will probably just shoot you first.  You gunnecks been watching tooo many Dirty Harry, Chuck Norris movies.  That’s fake stuff, in a real use of deadly force situation, the heart rate goes up, the herves in wrist shoulder and arms twitch, that makes rounds move off target and then boom you shot an innocent person.  Having a gun in your house, no problem, makes you feel safe and your should be able to protect your home, but, retard gunnecks with guns in public and very little training and no experience in how to adjust your breathing to keep rounds on target is a joke.  When one of you ignorant gunnecks shoots an innocent person, let’s hope they put you in with a big Leroy.  Don’t drop the soap.

@ Protecting Myself, Your post makes too much sense.  I’m just not into this rally around the beans but am prepared nonetheless.  I will spend my $ elsewhere.  Too expensive.

I’m a 2A supporter but never want to be grouped into the same column as pieces of trash like “Keith Perry” who believe in denying segments of Americans equal rights.  Just disgusting and embarrassing for an area that is supposed to be educated.

In fact, I own guns because of radical social conservatives like the people posting here.  I also encourage gay people I know to own and carry firearms seeing the kind of vile people that inhabit this area and spread hate under the guise of “Christian values”  and “conservatism”. 

Being a conservative used to be the opposite of these Christian Taliban.  Keep government out of people’s business.  Now you wackos want to put government’s nose in everyone’s bedrooms and doctor’s offices.  I’m a straight male, but carry because who knows when their hate and bigotry will boil over.  They’ll justify it as a “crusade” in the name of Jesus or something.

Here’s what it boils down too….When seconds count….. the police are only minutes away.  What happens in those seconds before the police arrive comes down to them zipping up either you or the criminal in a body bag!  Which would you rather it be. God Bless our 2nd amendment and the NRA for fighting to keep it our right!

Why Grandpa carries a gun

Why Carry a Gun?

My old grandpa said to me ‘Son, there comes a time in every man’s life when he stops bustin’ knuckles and starts bustin’ caps and
usually it’s when he becomes too old to take a butt whoopin.’

I don’t carry a gun to kill people.
I carry a gun to keep from being killed.

I don’t carry a gun to scare people.
I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.

I don’t carry a gun because I’m paranoid.
I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world..

I don’t carry a gun because I’m evil.
I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.

I don’t carry a gun because I hate the government.
I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.

I don’t carry a gun because I’m angry.
I carry a gun so that I don’t have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

I don’t carry a gun because I want to shoot someone.
I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

I don’t carry a gun because I’m a cowboy.
I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a cowboy.

I don’t carry a gun to make me feel like a man.
I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.

I don’t carry a gun because I feel inadequate.
I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.

I don’t carry a gun because I love it.
I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.

Police protection is an oxymoron.
Free citizens must protect themselves.
Police do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess.

Personally, I carry a gun because I’m too young to die and too old to take a butt whoopin’.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)


In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

You won’t see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it’s too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are ‘citizens’. Without them, we are ‘subjects’.

During WW II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

If you value your freedom, please spread this anti gun-control message to all of your friends.

The purpose of fighting is to win.
There is no possible victory in defense.
The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.
The final weapon is the brain.
All else is supplemental.



@ Davedave
Please take your college degree into a ring with a boxer or ufc fighter and tell us all how well your college degree works in a reaction dependant job.  Colleges focus mainly on jobs requiring creating a plan based on known science before enacting that plan.  Reaction dependant jobs still require training, but the training is individualized for the job so that the reactions are correct.  This does not fit the college model which is why it’s not college training.  Knowing how to bang out a last minute essay does nothing for a traffic cop who just realized someone is jumping out of the trunk of the car he just pulled over.

@ Dan Strickland
Thank you for your service.

@fed up dude.
I’m talking about bills that have been passed to enforce more gun control, not what Obama has talked about or rumors you have heard on fox news. All you give me is speculations and hearsay. I would love to see where you got your national opinion percentages on gun control, I am sure they came from an unbiased source, right?
@Dan Strickland.
Get off your high horse buddy. If a traffic stop was so difficult to conduct, I’m sure they would require you guys to get some form of college degree before you became cops. However, I have no doubt that it is quite challenging for someone like yourself. You are a class act man. Thanks for a good laugh.

@ Dan Strickland.

Re-read my 2 posts, homeboy. I never said people shouldn’t be allowed to conceal and carry. As a mostly Libertarian-type-person, I’m all for it. I said Starbucks is gross coffee regardless if they allow Yosemite Sam or Nina Totenberg in their restaurant (I brew my own).

I also pointed out how a dude lauded the Vanilla Bean Frappaccino but opposed gay marriage; you see what I’m saying? HU-MOR.

@ Danny, you have my Name, please stop being a child, do whats best for your Family and Home and protect them.  Take this from a Military Police Officer, we are not always there in time.  Thanks,

@DBP Disregard

@DBP, whether or not an individual has insurance or not, should not dictate the possible interference of a major circumstance.  If i broke into your house, you would scream like a 14 year old and call the police, instead of grabbing your firearm and defending your family like a man.  Please, take your dollar bills back with you.  Thanks

@ Jesse Pinkman.  You need to get your facts straight.  These laws have nothing to do with how people shoot or train.  These laws are to govern individuals after the action has taken place.  The US Military is an elite group of individuals trained to defend the nation.  Police Officers are trained to protect a community.  Civilians are trained to defend themselves.  VT Police Officer was a different circumstance, and that officer should be honored and not made an example by your ignorant remarks.  It was a traffic stop, not a firefight.  You being a normal civilian have no idea the process and procedures of conducting a traffic stop.  Please take your liberal Bull S*&% back to a Communist Society where you belong.

Lets try to break it down to basic human nature.  Take all guns and weapons out of the world.  We’re also going to remove the fists of everyone who follows the laws.  All that’s left is policemen and criminals with fists.  Everyone would be safe because nobody would get beat up by the fistless law abiding people right?  Oh wait… the criminals will still have fists…

In the second scenario, still no weapons of any kind but everyone has fists.  Since gun owners are apparently all morons according to DBP, lets say the law abiding citizens aren’t nearly as skilled with their fists.  One on one with a criminal they’d still lose.

Trying to think like a criminal, which of the two scenarios would seem more appealing to commit crime to you?  Would you feel more likely to beat someone up when only the cops and you can fight, or are you more likely to beat someone up when everyone around you can fight for themselves?


When you start insulting people in a debate it’s a good clear sign that you feel you’re losing the argument.  It’s lashing out as you can’t figure out any facts or logic to bring to the table.  I don’t own a gun but I think I’m absolutely safer if I have one on me.  Does that make me a “gunneck clown”?

No a gun isn’t a 100% guarantee that I can protect myself.  Of course people who are armed can still be attacked and killed.  But they’re safer.  When I do get a gun and my carry permit I don’t plan on being in a gun fight but if something DOES happen, sticking that barrel in their face loaded or not will change most criminals’ minds of if I’m a convenient victim for them or not.  Take the Virginia Tech example.  If every single one of those kids on campus was armed do you really think that 32 people would have been killed?  Most likely 3 would have been killed, his first two victims and then Cho as 20 bullets entered him from all the carrying students.  Removing guns from law abiding citizens leaves criminals a very clear advantage in power over those citizens.

Check out this video from the perspective of gun/state permit owning girl who was raped while following the no carry rule that existed at the university she was on.
Pay attention to the part where more women were raped and one was even murdered after her incident, which by this girls assessment of the situation could have been prevented if she was carrying.  So now please lash out at me and call that girl a liar since you’re obviously far smarter and superior than uss hear readnekk gun peepoles!

DBP - Do you have insurance for your home, car, health, or possible death? If so what are you so afraid of? Do you hope for a major problem to happen? Or are you just covering all your bases?

Gunnecks are hillarious in coming up with all these stories and “scare"nerios for needing a gun like Taliban, Viet Cong, Iraqi insurgents, British Red Coats, and Russian Shock Troops are all running around Leesburg.  You people are a joke.  Ask the family of the policeman recently killed at Virginia Tech how well being armed worked.  Military studies have shown that only 20 percent of soldiers in combat put effective fire on target during a fire fight, and you civilian pukes think you got the ability to control yourselves and put effective fire on a target because you been to a range.  Most of you would probably shot yourselves trying to get your guns out.  This is what happens whn you let ignorant people set policy.  If you ever been in a fire fight you know what occurs.  You gunneck clowns are like Linus, looking for your security blankets.

@ Keith Perry:

You love the Vanilla Bean Frapaccino, but are against gay marriage? OK, man.

I “open carry” & went to Starbucks yesterday for my first time. I spent exactly $10 for daughter and I. Love the Vanilla Bean Frappacino. But, while I support their stance on legal gun owners, given their failure to support our troops sometime ago, their support of Gay Marriage & Planned Parenthood & abortion, my first trip will be my last. Judging by the Obama2012 stickers in the parking lot, too many mindless idiots go there - and I don’t want to be in a position to save a single one of them from a violent crime with my gun.

Starbucks is gross. I brew my own delicious coffee without burning it or using the most bitter beans known to man.

Guns? Whatevs.

@is this necessary
what exactly is the purpose of carrying a gun around all the time?

For your own personal protection. If somebody decides to assault you in a parking lot, dialing 911 isn’t going to save your life. At best, they’ll be able to collect fresh evidence, but you’ll be dead. Carrying a firearm is your last hope of survival. 

Just ask that Leesburg Couple who went for a morning walk a number of years ago and got assaulted by a couple of thugs. The husband was murdered and the wife barely made it. I bet you, they wish they had a firearm when that assault came from out of the blue.

Too add resent reports on Fast and Furious show that ATF and DEA officers are out right stating this was a ploy by the current administration to stir up anti gun feelings in the public; it has backfired on them.


SoulWhat and Davedave

You guys say the administration has not made gun laws; that is untrue they have in fact required dealers in the South West to start reporting multiple sales to the ATF.

Also Obama ran and a control platform. When he took office he and Eric Holder started talking about needing the Assault Weapons Ban to come back to save Mexico all based on false statistics. There was a major push back by the public and so they became silent on the matter.

Now with Obama’s reelection coming he is starting to talk about gun control again. Again the issue of the AWB has been spoken of. Rahm Emanuel is pushing for Obama’s state of Illinois to require all guns to be registered and to pay a per weapon fee annually for keeping a weapon. He and Obama have talked about trying this out to make it a national model. I do not think it will stand up in the court system but when has that stopped politicians from trying?  NYC and DC have registration but no annual fees and this is why I think it will not make it past the courts.

If a president is going to try and pass laws they know will be unpopular (55% of Americans do not think we need any more gun control at all over 70% support ownership) when would be the best time to do it? Before or after he is elected to his final term?

what exactly is the purpose of carrying a gun around all the time? Are these people afraid of something? I cannot think of one reason that someone (other than law enforcement) should be carrying a gun into Starbucks or anywhere else for that matter. Please, if you have one, keep it at home.  I don’t want to be in the line of fire when you responsible gun owners get a bug up your butt and think that you need to “protect” yourselves.

All the more reason to enjoy your freedom and a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

I patronized our local Starbucks multiple time throughout the day yesterday in support of their neutral stance.  Starbucks’ made the responsible decision to follow local laws and I appreciate that.  I make it a point NOT to patronize businesses that refuse to recognize my right to carry.  (With the exception of my childrens’ schools’-I am successful)

I think that some of you who are concerned about guns may be missing the point here. Your sentiment suggests that you don’t understand why a person would strap on a firearm and head to Starbucks. What you probably don’t realize is that there are literally hundreds of thousands of Americans who LEGALLY strap on a gun every morning and go EVERYWHERE. It’s not just for coffee, we carry everywhere it’s permitted.

These people, who actually go get the training and submit for a background check which qualifies them to be issued a concealed license commit statistically none of the gun crime in America.  It’s not the responsible, licensed gun owner you EVER need to be concerned about- it’s the person who is a criminal (drug dealer) who is a threat to you.

Incidentally, the criminal gang-bangers are going to ( and do ) walk around armed regardless of any and all existing laws. We could make all guns illegal in any public space and the drug dealers are going to still walk around armed committing gun crime. Gun laws do not stop gun crime. In fact, gun crime isn’t even rampant statistically outside of the drug community. Most murders in America happen among one single demographic - Black Males age 18-25 involved with the drug trade. Remove that from the gun death statistics and the US has a lower homicide rate than most European Countries.

If you’d like to see what I am talking about , visit the Baltimore Sun’s real time murder tracker, sortable by demographic and age.


So Starbucks is allowing people to follow the State law. That’s quite the news story. Try it again next week with McDonalds.

It’s gotta be embarrassing when you organize a boycott, and nobody doesn’t show up!

Another reason to not go to Staryucks, high priced coffee and now their loaded!
Rather than a dartboard on the wall they can hang a target.

This boycott is really working out great—for Starbucks! I have never seen the place busier, and I predict the chain has earned itself a whole new crop of customers. Kudos to Starbucks! Congrats on making money AND pi$$ing off the anti-gunners at the same time.

Tue, Feb 14 at 08:41 PM by Tony says “The Constitution is not up for interpretation, it is written in black and white and has served this Country well.”  Sorry Tony, that is exactly what the Supreme Court’s job is.  The Ten Commandments were written in stone, but religious scholars have filled bookshelves figuring out how to follow it.  “You shall do no work on the Sabbath.” Is building a fire work and cooking food work? Some say yes, some say no. Same thing with the Constitution.  Does the right of free speech allow you to yell “Fire!” in a crowded theater as a prank?  You can find a long discussion of legal arguments about the grey areas of the Bill of Rights at http://www.gpoaccess.gov/constitution/browse2002.html#2002

To The Right Reverand Chef Boyardee, COTFSM, You wrote, “I very much want the protection under law to defend my home and property without fear of going to jail doing it.”
The Second Amendment gives you the right to own a gun.  It DOES NOT give you the right to USE it.

I know that sounds ridiculous, but unless a state has passed a “Defense of home as a castle” law, the generally applicable law is that you can only use deadly force in defense of life, not property, and even then only if you have no way to retreat.  Of course, its possible a jury would disregard the law and not convict you for shooting someone who entered your house uninvited. On the other hand, would you wait to learn if the intruder was truly a threat or shoot first and ask questions later? Perhaps its a neighbor late at night after a few drinks got confused as to which house was his.

The 2nd amendment is a part of our Constitution.

Men with the best interest of our Country in mind wrote it.

The Constitution is not up for interpretation, it is written in black and white and has served this Country well.

Men and women have fought, bled and died to protect this Constitution and our rights.

We The People are the government…this is our Constitution!  No one can take these rights nor should we let them.  God bless the NRA and our Constitution!

“While I do respect everyones’ 2nd amendment right, please respect my 1st amendment right when I say most of you redneck dolts should not own a gun. “

Quite the Obama follower, class envy at it’s finest…“redneck dolts”...must be tough for a sensitive East/West coast liberal to get his coffee with the likes of the hoi-polloi sharing his air.  I never considered class insults and snobbism to be a 1st amendment right.

I also was at Starbucks today supporting a good business who supports the rights of their customers (and not the bleating sheep who fear real men and women).

At least Starbucks now has their Blonde line of coffee which is pretty good, their regular stuff is over-roasted for my taste.

I may have to become a supporting customer in the future.

While I do respect everyones’ 2nd amendment right, please respect my 1st amendment right when I say most of you redneck dolts should not own a gun.  Unless you are someone who likes carrying you guns around a national park, Obama has not touched your precious guns during his term.  Even after Gifford was shot in the head and all those people killed, Obama made no move to restrict your gun ownership.

Any statistics on how many Starbucks have been robbed before and since this policy was publicized, or on any guns involved in any spats in their locations?

Oh, I guess I should add that I voted for Obama. Won’t be making that mistake twice. I’ll vote for my German Shepard before I’ll vote for this man again.

Went to the gun show at Dulles Expo Land this weekend with a friend. Reluctantly. According to the dealers they are selling a record number of guns and ammunition. The place was packed. The reason they gave: Obama. Purely and simply.

I don’t own a single gun and frankly, it wasn’t until Obama got elected did I feel that my right to own one *or as many as I want to own*, was threatened. I do believe that under this administration, our constitutional rights such as this are threatened now more than ever. And Bush was no peach in that regard.

So before anyone goes off half cocked *Pun* and attacks me, I am a Democrat. I don’t belong to the NRA. I don’t have a gun…but I sure as heck feel the need to preserve my civil liberties, even if I choose not to practice mine. You just never know when you’ll have to. And I very much want the protection under law to defend my home and property without fear of going to jail doing it. Which is why I support Rob Bell’s bill providing me such remedy.

Good luck Starbucks enforcing your rule.

“Made up by the gun lobby”? Seriously, Rick?
It would take you seconds to google “gun victims action council starbucks boycott”. You’d get their website, their facebook group for the boycott, and dozens of news articles about the counter “buycott”.
But nope, it’s much more fun to claim it’s a massive right-wing conspiracy…

“Starbucks allowing guns to be carried in thousands of their stores significantly increases everyone’s risk of being a victim of gun violence,”  - ARTICLE

How so?  Law abiding citizens don’t commit crimes.  Law abiding citizens legally carrying a handgun (concealed or not) aren’t looking for trouble.  Why would you jeopardize your right to carry?

True story:  My husband was having lunch with a friend in a local establishment some time back, and he was carrying.  A woman saw his gun and this is the conversation that ensued with her husband:

W: “Honey, that man has a gun!”
H:  “So what do you want me to do about it?”
W:  “I’m calling the police!”
H:  “Why? He’s probably allowed to carry.  It’s legal.”
W:  “I don’t care. What if he uses it?”
H:  “If he were going to use it he probably would have done it already.”
W:  “I don’t care. I’m calling the police!”

So she called the Loudoun Sheriff’s office and a Deputy showed up at the establishment.  He talked to her and explained that my husband was doing nothing wrong, and he left.

He never said one word to my husband.  End of story.

So tomorrow I think I’ll wander over to the closest Starbucks with my S&W Ladysmith .357 Magnum - God bles her - on my hip:


Oh, and to “Dollarbillphil”:  Don’t worry, babe, if something “pops off” at Starbucks I’ll be there to protect you like a man.

I personally don’t see anything wrong with law abiding citizens carrying firearms or other weapons like knives and brass knuckles on or about their persons whether they are carried openly or concealed. The 2nd Amendment is a “right” you can’t take it away. Also I feel that the Gun Control Act of 1968 should be repealed

We’ll be using our gold card more than ever!  You go, Starbucks!

Never know when something may pop off in Starbucks.  Some seriously wired people been known to frequent Starbucks, never know when one of them might get the wrong Latte and try to start something.  Gunneck gots to be ready.

@ disingenuousYou

Here’s another site I just found poking around.  It is discusses the effect of gun bans in other countries.  I checked a couple of their listed sources and they seemed to check out.  However, as with any biased website, make sure YOU check those references at the bottom for yourself.


@ disingenuousYou

From the Bureau of Justice:

According to the 1997 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those possessing a gun, the source of the gun was from -

a flea market or gun show for fewer than 2%
a retail store or pawnshop for about 12%
family, friends, a street buy, or an illegal source for 80%


i dont think you understand, kelly

I believe carrying a firearm is a “RIGHT” under the Constitution. But with that said, Starbucks also has the right to make rules within the law about who can enter it (private property) stores.

I personally will vote with my money and take my business elsewhere. This is no different than a business mandating you enter without shoes and a shirt on.

But if Starbucks wants to ignore revenue from Gun Owners of America, its at their own expense.

I suspect this whole thing might be made up by the gun lobby. Ever since a Dem got POTUS again there have been so many rumors about gun control laws by the federal government that are just not true that feel the need to make some splash about what has been a non-issue for most. These rumors have kicked the price of ammo up and whenever that happens you gotta look at who’s making the money! Just sayin’

Safest place to have a cup of Joe today!

Starbucks should make that logo their actual logo..

Just got back from Starbucks.  It’s been years since I went last.  It’s for a good cause - the 2nd Amendment!

actually, i’m going there right now to give them some money PRECISELY because of this “boycott.”

without the boycott, i wouldn’t be there. I don’t even like coffee.

Good job, Fineman

Hey Ms2AR15,
“those “12000” gun deaths were not committed by LEGAL RESPONSIBLE gun owners..”
I am undecided on this issue and would like to review your source for your statement.  Also, why did you feel compelled to change the correct term of homicide to “gun deaths”?????

what a bunch of clowns. where are all these mass-murdering CCW people? I’ve not heard about them in any news outlet.maybe this boycott fool is talking from his a$$ methinks

12000 is a BS number btw; in 2010 there were 8775 homicides involving a firearm out of 12,996 homicides in the nation.

There has not been over 12,000 homicides in a year with a fire arm since the mid/late 1990s.

Why are they concerned about the guns, the coffee kills more people than the guns

I hate Starbucks coffee, but I will certainly be buying a cup today.

News flash, those “12000” gun deaths were not committed by LEGAL RESPONSIBLE gun owners.  They were committed by criminals who will obtain the guns by any means possible.  Punishing law abiding rightful gun owners will not stop the criminals from shooting other people.  Get it through your heads, people!!!

Thank You Starbucks!!!!!
Leave my 2nd Adm Alone!!!!!

Much to do about nothing. Dear NGAC, people who go on shooting rampages do not care about gun laws and do not abide by property owners bans on guns.

Open and concealed carry laws have nothing to do with the issue.

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