The Loudoun County Board of Supervisors voted unanimously Tuesday to return the Confederate statue in downtown Leesburg to the Loudoun Chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC).

n The vote

The board voted to affirm that the Confederate statue belongs to the UDC at Tuesday’s business meeting. UDC owns the monument located in front of the Loudoun County Courthouse on King Street. The vote was 9-0.

n What’s next

The board also authorized UDC to access the Loudoun County Courthouse grounds for the purpose of removing the Confederate statue by Sept. 7.

The action comes as more counties and cities across the country are taking steps to remove the statues in the wake of nationwide protests for racial equity and reform. While some say the statues are honoring their heritage and ancestry, many others believe the statues stand for white supremacy and institutional racism.

The Virginia General Assembly voted earlier this year to give localities the ability to remove, relocate or contextualize the monuments in their communities. The law went into effect July 1.

n More about the statue

The Leesburg statue, erected in 1908, rests in front of the Loudoun County Courthouse and can be seen at the corner of North King and East Market streets. It’s been commonly known as the “Silent Sentinel.”

Virginia is home to more than 200 public memorials to the Confederacy, according to state officials.

n The public’s take

Julia Holcomb: “Take the wretched thing down and get it off public property and do it at the UDC expense.”

Travis Sample: “Now I confess, I’ve always preferred facts and free and open debate to petty grievances, identity politics and cultural relativism. This ludicrous notion you have that a bronze statue of a Confederate soldier should be removed, because it’s symbolic of institutional racism and white slavery is just wrong.”

Sofia Saiyed: “I believe the statue should not be returned to the United Daughters of the Confederacy as that will give them an opportunity to simply move it to private property and withdraw discussion about recontextualization from the public sphere. Truly I do not believe that moving or recontextualizing is sufficient when it comes to these monuments. Instead, I believe that they should be removed entirely from public display, and then it should remain in the possession of the county.”

n The board’s take

Chairwoman Phyllis Randall (D-At Large), who made the motion: “I take this vote in the name of thousands of Loudoun citizens, black citizens who never had a voice and sometimes didn’t have a vote. I don’t care what happens to this statue, as long as it never again sits on public property. After 16 years, yeah ... the arc of the moral universe in Loudoun County has been bent.”

Catoctin Supervisor Caleb Kershner (R), the only supervisor who vocally opposed moving the statue in a recent Times-Mirror survey: “If indeed this is the statue of the United Daughters of the Confederacy, then I think we have no other choice but then to adopt this motion. I think then we would face a legal battle otherwise. I will support the motion for that not because I would like to see the statue removed or any other statue. Now this is just one statue, [but] it’s much more the precedent that I am very concerned that we will be setting and that is anything that has some inkling of offensive history.”

Vice Chairman Koran Saines (D-Sterling): “Let’s not sugarcoat what the statue is about. Even if you personally may not find it offensive, keep it in mind, the courthouse serves citizens of all backgrounds — all who enter the courthouse grounds should feel welcome. We should not have a statue there that is offensive and insults the citizens of Loudoun.”

Blue Ridge Supervisor Tony Buffington (R): “I just worry where this goes. I have no problem supporting this motion. Obviously, the property owner asked ... we give it back, but hopefully, the board and will remain reasonable and we won’t overreact and start changing everything.”

Ashburn Supervisor Mike Turner (D): “I can think of no more offensive act than to erect an icon on the land owned by the people that specifically represents total lack of justice, total inequality and enslavement. And it just seems so obvious to me that this is so long overdue. 112 years ago, they erected this statue, and they erected it specifically on a place that would intimidate citizenry.”

(105) comments

jke

If you cannot stand your ground over Silent Sam when will the republican supervisors stand their ground? Never is the answer! At least they could put up a fight, didn't happen.

amerigirl

Because who wants to fight for inequality?

KK153

equal opportunity and equal outcome are 2 different things. If I work 100 hours a week and get paid $25,000 and you work zero hours and still get $600 of my money, then yes, I'm for that inequality. in your world you think you are entitled to half.

amerigirl

KKK you have a problem. People know the difference, I think the trump admin messed the whole thing up o bad, and it was Republicans, started by Republican Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio that added that $600 a week in. I agree that it's unfair because some in my family were considered essential, and had to take pay cuts because their income was based on the businesses income. May of those people who stayed home were making more than them and treating them like dirt when they had to be in those businesses. I don't thing that I should have gotten the $1200 because I am retired and it was nothing more than extra income to me.

tolerantleft

The Woke Taliban got their scalp. I’m curios as to what’s next?

Calvin Candie

I’d pay top dollar for the statue. It would look great in my front yard.

amerigirl

Glad I'm not your neighbor. Flowering pots hanging from it would be an improvement though

SaferLoudounRoads

Dear President Trump and Vice-President Pence,

We thank you for your dedicated service to the country during these trying times. I commend DC Police, U.S. Park Police, and the Secret Service for valiantly defending the White House and vicinity. Locally there was a 1000-people protest march just about 2 miles up the road from my neighborhood using one of the arteriolar roads in Ashburn leading up to a rally which was attended by three of our board of supervisor members including chairwoman Phyllis J. Randall. Loudoun County is racially homogenized (with or without statues) and therefore I was quizzical this occurred so close by.

(https://loudounnow.com/2020/06/15/loudoun-naacp-leads-march-in-ashburn/)

Please pray about the second stimulus package whether it will be helpful or will create a new indolent entitlement attitude among Americans. I was disturbed to learn from news that a CNA (certified nursing assistant) decided to stay home because she was receiving more from state unemployment checks PLUS $600 per week for 13 weeks ($7800 total) from the federal government than if she had continued to work.

Meanwhile the elderly in the nursing homes are not being cared for and even being neglected because of shortage of workers. Those who are working can feel resentful that they are making less to work and yet being exposed to covid19 risk: UNFAIRNESS AND INJUSTICE.

Our government should not cause a rift between those who have (government checks) and those who have not. The Bible warns about showing partiality.

There are many evils in this country and in the world. It is alarming and unnerving. I believe the administration must seek help from God and His Son Jesus Christ who rules from the highest heaven above. Praise the LORD! For all nations are less than a drop in the bucket to Him as stated in the Holy Law Book.

America, leaders on all levels of governments, officials, and citizens must pray continuously in private and together in public meetings asking for His guidance and wisdom who is generous and gives to all without reproach—but we must ask in faith and not doubt according to St. James.

We can be heartened by the example of Joshua, the courageous leader of Israel, who marched all night from Gilgal (in Jordan Valley) for a surprise attack on and defeating TEN kings and their armies at Gibeon (north of Jerusalem Joshua 10:5-14).

The LORD said to Joshua, “Do not fear them, for I have given them into your hands; not one of them shall stand before you.”

More were destroyed by hailstones the LORD threw at them as far as Azekah (~30 miles away) than by the sons of Israel.

Furthermore, Joshua spoke to the LORD IN THE SIGHT OF ISRAEL for the sun and the moon to stand still. From midday to midday the sun did not set for about 24 hours so that the nation could avenge themselves of their enemies.

Our government must make restitution to the Kurds in northeast Syria and also help the IDP Syrians in northwest Syria. For Proverbs assures us giving to the genuinely poor (not “poor”) is an insurance that we will lack nothing: currently our nation is facing a dire economic situation as the administration knows so well.

Proverbs 14:9 states that fools mock at making reparation, but there is goodwill among the upright. Psalm 62 also promises that the LORD will reward us according to what we have done.

Our greatest hope for the future is that King Jesus will come back soon as He promised following the last 7 years of the worst suffering the world has ever experienced. Many will die of PANDEMIC, sword (wars), starvation, and wild animals (Revelation 6:8).

He will establish his millennial rule here on earth and everyone will obey him completely. After His final judgment, all His holy people whose faith in Him have been proven genuine through loyal obedience will reign with Him forever in New Jerusalem, the Holy City, (https://soundcloud.com/eternal-city/new-jerusalem) which will descend from God in heaven.

jbsets

I thought that God created ALL of us and loves ALL of us. Didn't Jesus die for ALL of us? Racism is a slap on the face to God and Jesu

amerigirl

But I'm atheist. Racism is still a slap in the face.

marv

I had wondered and you confirmed it. Being an atheist has not stopped you from preaching to everyone else about everything.

amerigirl

Marv, there is a difference between preaching and writing your opinion on an opinion page. Look the terms up. At least I am an adult and have opinions on the subject versus those whose comments are about the other posters. [offtopic][offtopic]

Notalib

Atheist? Good luck when your time comes.

amerigirl

Nota, I have no worries, I follow the science. But I don't knock others for their beliefs and would appropriate it if you don't knock mine.

Notalib

Not saying anything bad about your beliefs.

All I'm saying is Good Luck. If I'm right then my existence will continue, If Im wrong, I wont even know. In your case, If you're wrong you will know.

amerigirl

Nota, If I live my life as a good person it won't matter. If there is a God then I'm sure he (she) would be just and judge people on their actions.

amerigirl

This is the Loudoun Times Mirror, do you think they are going to read your post? I got to the "We thank you for your dedicated service" and disagreed with that and just couldn't go on.

KK153

too many big word for you?

amerigirl

Read your post, correct the grammar, I think you are the one with a problem with word(S).

Pablo

If the DC want their statue back, let them have it. They can put it next to the statue of Benedict Arnold.

Voltaire

Why would the Daughters of the Confederacy want/have a statue of Benedict Arnold? Benedict Arnold was Revolutionary War period, not Civil War period. If there is a place that a Benedict Arnold statue should be is in the United Kingdom (notably London). Although he was mixed received by the British (the Crown and Tories liked him; the Whigs and Royal Army command didn't).

jbsets

I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm

LeesburgFan

We, the Citizens and taxpayers of Loudoun Co. own this statue. The BOS voting 9 - 0 that the DOC owns the statue is not binding. A legal opinion will determine who owns it based on the donation that happened in 1901-1907. Maybe someone will sue the BOS on this basis. And the legal owner can be determined.

Voltaire

LeesburgFan--apparently, the BOS came to the same legal conclusion that I did. I am also sure that they consulted with the County Attorney. That action IS binding. A donation does NOT constitute formal acceptance. They "assisted in the erection of the statue in 1901-1907. However, if you are that eager on the subject, file a legal action in the Circuit Court and let a sitting judge tell you the same thing.

Loudoun4Trump

Better to have the statue moved in a responsible manner instead of waiting until the BoS allows the mob to tear it down and set up their autonomous summer of love zone.....enjoy the sight and smells Leesburg.

amerigirl

positive thought, positive thoughts. Watch the blood pressure. Did you hate hippies too?

Loudoun Observer

So this means we're not racist now, right?

Voltaire

Loudoun Observer--Probably not.

pittguy20

All this name changing!! I hope I can continue ordering some of my favorites “ Virginia Redskin Peanuts “ and continue to order “Redskin Mashed Potatoes “ or have to read the menu ever so closely as to not offend anyone around me!

RandomName2019

Aw, someone is confused about the description of food and people and how the two things are different. Isn't that cute?

jbsets

I know. Right?

jbsets

The names Redskins, Indians, Braves, Chiefs, Seminoles are RACIST. The tomahawk chop is racist. The way that this country has treated Native Americans is appalling. We took their land. We marched them to Kansas & Oklahoma so we could have more of their land. Then we marched them to the Dakotas and Montana to take even more land. We left them on reservations where the only commerce allowed on the reservations are casinos. They don't have any grocery stores & when Walmart tried to build one, the US govt said no. The have the worst schools for their kids. They can't get jobs because you have to leave the reservation to work but most can't afford cars and there is no public transportation. Now this administration is taking more of their land. Talk about keeping a whole population down so they have no hope of surviving.

You might also want to look at the history of the Redskins and the original owner. He was a racist pig. He chose that name purposely. He refused to integrate the team even when it was mandated by the league. It only happened when the govt was going to yank the lease on the DC field (now RFK park.) He started a foundation to help kids in DC but stipulated in his will that none of the money would be granted to organizations that champion integration. Dan Snyder's actions prove that he, too, is a racist.

So yup, there is a big difference between a population of oppressed people and mashed potatoes and nuts.

Byw, you sound like a racist when you say stuff like that.

KK153

so you don't like Dan Snyder...which confirms you as an anti-semite, right?

masonskeep

The very word Supervisors for the board that thinks they control Loudoun County offends me. How about Board of Cowards and Fools, or Board of Stupidvisors. I am offended by the word Supervisor so let's change it.

jbsets

Would you be more accepting of County Council?

Voltaire

Jbsets--No, you cannot call the county's legislative body a "County Council". The Code of Virginia spells out a Board of Supervisors at § 15.2-802. Powers of county vested in board of supervisors; membership, election, terms, etc., of board; vacancies; powers of chairman."

amerigirl

Too bad. They supervise their areas, get over it.

KK153

taking wagers...what will be the new social justice race BS issue on Sept 8? Too many stores serving vanilla ice cream?

Pre-yuppieLoudouner

Next up...a vote to change Leesburg to Panderburg.

jbsets

You do realize that Leesburg is named after the Lee family who founded the town AND Robert E's father, uncle, and grandfather were all Revolutionary War heroes. It's just unfortunate that Robert E decided to take everything his family fought for and turned traitor to the USA.

Voltaire

Jbsets—You also do realize that, from the viewpoint of the British, that these “Revolutionary War Heroes” were/are still considered to be traitors to the British Crown? They, if the historical record serves correctly, doing the same thing that Robert E. Lee did which was fight for his home state. Concerning Robert E. Lee, you cannot call him a traitor anymore as he was pardoned in 1976 by President Gerald Ford. On May 29, 1865, President Andrew Johnson issued a Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon to persons who had participated in the rebellion against the United States. There were fourteen excepted classes, though, and members of those classes had to make special application to the President. Lee sent an application to Grant and wrote to President Johnson on June 13, 1865. His amnesty/pardon application was lost in the Federal bureaucracy until 1970 and he was formally pardoned and given his citizenship back in 1976. Fun fact, Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden voted FOR Lee’s pardon and restoration of his citizenship as Senator from Delaware.

KK153

when you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail. When you are a racist, everything is about race. Ask yourself, who are the people who bring race into every conversation, and see race issue everywhere?

whatever you yield to, It will NEVER be enough.

loudouncommonsense

An action that one person may claim is "political correctness" is action to address another persons affront and reminder of crimes, immorality and suffering.

This is not liberal, democrat, socialist or other. It is human kindness at the very least and justice in the whole.

Put em in a museum. Then you can select the individual "heritage" that suits you instead of forcing public imagery that is anathema to many.

jbsets

Amen

djtielle

Fantastic idea! It would be an epic museum for sure!

amerigirl

There are civil war museums ya know.

Notalib

How about a new statue with a Confederate soldier and a Union Soldier shaken hands in a sign of reconcilation.

Lawman

That’s a good one!

amerigirl

How about a bench? forget the statues.

Voltaire

AG--I like that.

LIfetimeLoudouner

Time to erase all racist and slavery institutions. Let’s start with our current democrat governor “coonman” Northam and our blackface democrat Attorney General Herring. But let’s not forget the biggest racist institution in Virginia history. The Democrat party - it was the Democrats who fought FOR slavery and opposed the civil rights act of 1964. And didn’t they have a US senator in WV who was a grand wizard KKK leader? Look at every big battle for civil rights and the democrat party and most of their elected leaders were opposed to it. Yes time for a reckoning time to outlaw and purge our state of it racist past with the democrat party.

jbsets

I am shocked that I live in an area with so many people who are clearly racist. I was stunned to know that their is a Daughters of the Confederacy. Aren't all the actual Confederates dead? Why would they want to celebrate a war and group of people who were traitors to this country and lost? History is history. We can't change it & shouldn't toss it out either. We should learn from it. Society and culture change as time goes on. Do we want the KKK wandering around? Should women have the vote? Are lynching ok (same as putting a knee on someone's neck)? Is there a reason a woman shouldn't get paid the same as a man for doing the exact same job? What other changes from the past do you want to bring back? I just don't get defending racism or just being insulting and mean to anyone. I thought that God created ALL of us and loves ALL of us. Didn't Jesus die for ALL of us? Racism is a slap on the face to God and Jesus. (My apologies to those who don't worship in Christianity and the Atheists. I don't want to appear to be a bigot. I am just trying to make a point to certain people who use God to justify bad behavior.)

Voltaire

Jbsets—Yes, all the actual Confederates are dead. The United Daughters of the Confederacy is a non-profit American hereditary association of Southern women established in 1894 in Nashville, Tennessee. The stated purposes of the organization include the commemoration of Confederate States Army soldiers and the funding of the erection of memorials to these men. They are proud of their heritage and want to commemorate it. There is nothing wrong with that and it is wrong to belittle that. As to the “claim” that they are traitors. By law, they are not.

In a final proclamation on December 25, 1868, President Andrew Johnson declared "unconditionally, and without reservation, ... a full pardon and amnesty for the offence of treason against the United States, or of adhering to their enemies during the late civil war, with restoration of all rights, privileges, and immunities under the Constitution and the laws”. There is a difference between the proper use of a chokehold and “lynching”. There are various types of chokeholds that can be properly applied and subdue a suspect effectively without using lethal force.

Voltaire

LifetimeLoudouner--your statement about Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) is factually inaccurate. Robert Byrd led a 150 member group of the KKK from 1941-1942 then left the Klan. He later apologized for that and changed his view on race relations.

Iluvloudoun

Next, change all names of Leesburg, Washington DC, Washington state, blow up Mount Rushmore, Washington Monument, NFL name changes, etc. All of this is going way too far. It won’t stop people, it is snowballing. Meanwhile thousands of deaths in inner cities by the hands of thugs is overlooked. Do you really think erasing history is addressing the true problems in this country? Defunding Police is going in the wrong direction. Democrats are destroying this country, wake up, America!!!

jbsets

You do know that Mt Rushmore was originally part of an Indian reservation and that the Teddy Roosevelt's administration took that land from a Native American reservation in order to pay homage to himself and 3 other presidents in stone? The US govt was supposed to pay them but never did. I'm not saying blow up anything. I'm just trying to give you and others a bit of history to chew on. You brought up history.

amerigirl

My my how irrational is that entire statement.

Fiscalconservative

All the people and organizations who wanted this removed should pay the bill so the taxpayers don;t have to pay for this. Phyllis Randall should start with a contribution.

westernloudounguy

Wow, doesn't anyone do any research or watch meetings before they speak? The County isn't paying for anything- other than maybe the staff time to coordinate the removal date. The UDC is paying for the removal of their statue.

Fiscalconservative

But we paid for the new Loudoun County mascot

jbsets

We have a mascot? Lived here 14+ years and didn't know that. What does it do?

amerigirl

They aren't paying to have it removed, but up til now the taxpayers have been footing the maintenance bill for it. Read the article

Voltaire

AG--Nothing wrong with that. The County's approach is in compliance with Paragraph D of § 15.2-1812. Memorials for War Veterans in the Code of Virginia.

amerigirl

Volt, didn't say there was, I'm saying that taxpayer dollars have been paying for the maintenance since he was worried about his tax dollars

David Dickinson

So Leesburg resident Attorney General Mark Herring stays, although he admits that pictures of him in blackface are out there somewhere. But, the statue has to go? The racist holding state office is OK, but the piece of metal causes apoplexy? The statue, some say, sends the wrong message because it is at the COURTHOUSE but Mark Herring stays even though he is the current ATTORNEY GENERAL of the state? Which one is a greater threat to your civil rights?

LoudounClear

Can't you give this nonsense a rest even once and a while?

David Dickinson

The current Attorney General Mark Herring wearing blackface is not nonsense and either is his fellow Democrat Ralph Northam. The fact that they are still in office speaks volumes to the meaninglessness of the BLM movement. They should be marching on Herring and Northam and not stone cold statues.

jbsets

Please refer to my earlier comment about what you were doing 35, 40 years ago

amerigirl

Yeah it's real nonsense there is a difference about dressing for Halloween or doing it for hate. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Northam was never proven so you are making an assumption and you know what they say about that.

CindyLou

David Dickinson......The biggest racist in the US is the President and he's leading the charge for the white supremacy, police brutality and racial divide. A kid dressing up for Halloween (which the school allowed it) 30+ years ago is a weak defense for a racist.

David Dickinson

You dismiss Mark Herring wearing blackface because it was 30 years ago, but you want to pull down a statue put up over 100 years ago. Selective memory much?

jbsets

David, David, David... You don't want to get into a "fight" with me about history. I have an excellent memory and the education and degree to back up what I say. History should not be erased because we should learn from it. By now we all should have learned that the Civil War happened but it damaged this country and caused a huge divide. What's sad that regardless of that war, WWI and II, the Japanese internment camps, the Holocaust, Civil Rights movement, Watergate, and so on, there are too many people who continue to want to live in the past and not move on. Try it. You might like it.

Jaws

Get rid of the statues and get rid of lifelong politicians and we can all start to get leadership that can lead this country. Which side wants to concede first is the true problem.

amerigirl

You dismiss that i was a Halloween costume not a racial attack. The statue represents, even honors, a group that wanted to keep an entire race in slavery.

Notalib

Thought this was a no lie zone. CindyLou is sure tossing out some whoppers today.

jbsets

I think that this is the insult your neighbor zone.

marv

Calling the President a "Racist" is a base canard and you know it. Those who utter false charges should be made to prove them, but when they can hide behind anonymity they can utter BS to their hearts content. .

jbsets

OMG are you serious? Do you actually read his tweets and hear what he says in his speeches? Do you only get your news from one outlet? Do you take the time to research all sides and form your own opinions or just regurgitate the opinions of certain news outlets?

amerigirl

You forgot to mention that it's the truth too. No canard, look at his own words.

Voltaire

CindyLou--that is a stretch. Nobody is asking for police brutality.

jbsets

He promotes it. He has actually said to slam people's heads when you put them into the patrol cars. Also said that in some situations choke holds are ok. That's telling a lot of people that that is ok behavior. 99% of police would never do any of those things, but there are some who do. Wasn't a Fairfax County officer caught on tape doing the same to a guy in Springfield? Granted he was on drugs but wasn't hurting anyone. There was no need to almost kill him. So, it does happen even now. It's not history.

Voltaire

Jbsets—OK, as someone with family in law enforcement for over 30 years, I can say with certainty that there is hardly anyone in law enforcement that advocates police brutality. There will always be a few rogue law enforcement officers as there are a few bad apples in every profession. As to the use of chokeholds, yes, there are situations where chokeholds are appropriate for use to subdue a suspect. If properly applied, a chokehold will subdue a suspect effectively and will not involve a situation where a proper use of force incident would occur. How do you know what situations constitute proper use of force? Have you ever interacted with people who were intoxicated/on drugs? How about someone sticking his hand in his pocket and failing to follow lawful commands? What you would do? Have a polite conversation with them? No, every situation has its own unique circumstances and have to be judged on the merits of that. If you think you can do better, as my family members in law enforcement tell me, then grab a uniform, pin on a badge, and do a patrol route for a week and you will gain a REAL appreciation of what law enforcement deals with on a daily basis. BTW, it is not proper to slam people into the back of patrol cars and it is not done.

amerigirl

Then what was the photo op maneuver?

Voltaire

AG--are you referring to Trump going over to St. John's Church and holding the bible upside down? If so, then it is debatable that that would constitute police brutality. That was a simple action to clear the square of people who weren't following lawful commands and were, according to the incident commander, the U.S. Park Police, throwing water bottles which can be construed as weapons if frozen. Failure to follow lawful commands gives the police the lawful authority to do what the U.S. Park Police and support officers did.

amerigirl

Volt, yes, the bible photo op. Metro police have been added to the law suit and as far as was a simple action to clear the square, that is under investigation. There were no water bottles, they said 1 may have been thrown and it was hotter than blazes out there why even assume it might be frozen? That does not entitle that kind of attack. Don’t you think that it a little strange that suddenly. after people have said they were never told to move, the govt has lost the audio recording? Luckily there was a camera from a news station there. There was no failure to follow commands it was an attack on law abiding citizens, clergy, and the press. It doesn’t get anymore unconstitutional than that.

amerigirl

.Jaws, you make no sense using Biden being in congress. How was he allowing the behavior of what someone who wasn’t a government official was or was not doing? That is just an extremely long stretch to try to blame Biden for something. was he supposed to have some control over a kid in college? How was he allowing anything? It is very maddening to see those derogatory misplaced accusations;

Voltaire

AG—No, I don’t think it is strange that the Government lost the audio recordings. The Government is a bureaucracy and things like that happen. As to the claim that it is “…an attack on law abiding citizens”, really? The U.S. Park Police stated that protesters were “….throwing projectiles, including bricks, frozen water bottles, and caustic liquids.” The USPP also stated that “…Intelligence had revealed calls for violence against the police and officers found caches of glass bottles, baseball bats, and metal poles hidden along the street.” As to the allegation that there was no “lawful command given”, both the Metropolitan Police Chief Newsom and the U.S. Park Police stated that “…federal law enforcement officers…gave warnings for them to disperse.” The District of Columbia, at the time was under a State of Emergency and law enforcement, based upon past incidents and credible intelligence determined that the protesters, not all of them, but a portion of them were becoming agitated/hostile as the official reports show, then they have the lawful right to suspend the protest and command that the protesters disperse. If, as the record shows, they did not, then they have the lawful right to force that through proper riot control techniques (including the use of tear gas, pepper spray, pepper balls) which they did. Be glad, this is the USA, as in Europe, they are allowed to pummel protesters and remove them through whatever methods are necessary including the use of water cannons. As to constitutionality, the courts, based on case precedence, have held that, if the actions of the police are reasonable, then they will allow it. Based on the record, it would appear that the actions were reasonable. As for the attacks against the press, there are two points. First they are not immune from following lawful commands by the riot police commander. If they don’t follow lawful commands, then they should be arrested. Second, the officers involved with that have been disciplined by the agency are on administrative duty.

amerigirl

Volt, then it was awful convenient that the audio disappeared and not the video. The Government is a bureaucracy and the trump admin seems to make things convenient for them all the time. U.S. Park Police claimed Tuesday that its officers acted to clear protesters from Lafayette Square near the White House because some demonstrators were throwing projectiles at them, but journalists who were on the scene say that they did not see such conduct, and they were recording it. They clearly used flash grenades, rubber bullets and tear gas to clear peaceful demonstrators, American citizens. I will believe my eyes before someone covering their butt. They said they gave a command and everyone interviewed said they never heard it. There was no megaphone or system to alert citizens in any of the photos. As Mayor Muriel Bowser said they shouldn’t have been there in the first place. The only state of emergency was for the virus, not the demonstrators. They were under curfew and that time had not come; they had a permit to be there til 7PM. As Don Beyer said “Unleashing state violence against peaceful American demonstrators and journalists to create a photo op is a violation of the President’s oath to defend the Constitution and a betrayal of everything this country stands for,”. You can believe all the BS about what the cover up states, but wait until this goes to court and the truth comes out.

Jaws

40+ years ago and Biden was actually in Congress allowing that behavior. Not a good example Cindy. I don’t sit Dem or Rep and see the lifelong politicians more to blame than the third year politician who will maybe be gone within either this election or the next.

For all these folks commenting to see how focused the two parties Dem/Rep can get us fighting over things that we should all no better than to lecture others on is maddening.

jbsets

What were you doing 35, 40 years ago? Perhaps it's something that you would be embarrassed to admit to now? I was in college and I know that me and most of my friends did something that would not be acceptable in today's standards. I wouldn't do them now because society and culture have changed. We all move forward and hopefully grow as persons.

amerigirl

Because he was dressing up as someone for Halloween, not holding a rifle in front of a courthouse. The symbol of justice in the US, representing a group that endorsed slavery. Neither is a threat. The statue is an insult to the people of Loudoun that believe in equality. The real threat are those who want to keep that statue that is honoring people who fought to protect slavery. They are the threat.

Lawman

About time. This County over forty percent minority, The majority of the students in LCPS are minority. The region is one of the tech capitals of the World, we have a huge international airport at our door step and here we have this relic to a racist past sitting prominently on our courthouse grounds. If you were not going to let us catapult it into the river, then put it in the Balls Bluff cemetery to stand guard over the soldiers buried there. The DOS is the propaganda arm of white supremacy in this country. They will only use it to continue their failed campaign to re-write history. By the way, the statue’s removal like the Revolution will be televised.

KK153

don't worry.. liberals will destroy all this in short order very soon. then the businesses will leave, then the liberals will leave and try to spread their disease to a new area.. like locust

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Voltaire

Lawman--I see you failed to deliver another tangible promise. I don't see you catapulting that statue into Potomac River. Are you going to give George Soros his money back since you CANNOT buy that statue? If not, expect a call from his Wall Street law firm demanding it back.

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Notalib

Please LTM, review this entry and the persons account. To call.someone remember of the KKK is offensive and abhorrent. This is not the first time this individual.

Voltaire

Notalib--you can click the "report" button and I am guessing that that they would do what you are asking.

jbsets

At first I thought your name was KKK153

KK153

take you a while to come up with that one did it?

springerdad

Good it will be gone. Can we please have no more articles about this until Sept. 7th.

DavisB

now we get to choose something else to go in the space. Maybe a statue of the flag guy?

springerdad

I suggest nothing be added to the space. What you may find acceptable today will be objectionable to someone in the future. Lets try to avoid history repeating itself.

Lawman

Nope monument going up to the slaves who were sold on almost that exact same spot. These people not getting off that easy b

Notalib

Lawman, who are you referring to as "these people"? I think on the surface that is a racist accusation. You sound like a person with an axe to grind. Maybe you should.be more humble and less of an agitator. Be happy about the change but be humble. This is America, no one has it better anywhere else in the world. Be gracious and appreciative.

Voltaire

Springerdad--actually, I agree with you. It would allow people to appreciate the architecture of the courthouse better without the statue blocking the view.

amerigirl

I'll second that

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