Confederate Statue protest

Protesters surround the Confederate statue on the grounds of the Loudoun County Courthouse May 31 in honor of George Floyd, a black man killed by a Minneapolis police officer earlier in the month.

The Loudoun Chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy is requesting its Confederate statue in Leesburg be returned.

The request comes as more counties and cities across the country are taking steps to remove the statues in the wake of nationwide protests for racial equity and reform. While recognizing leaders in the Confederacy, the statues in Virginia have also been connected to oppression and institutional racism by critics.

The Leesburg statue, erected in 1908, rests in front of the Loudoun County Courthouse and can be seen at the corner of North King and East Market streets. Virginia is home to more than 200 public memorials to the Confederacy, according to state officials.

Attorney Stephen Price, who is representing the UDC in this case, said in a letter, “In recent public statements by members of the Loudoun Board of Supervisors, a clear majority has expressed their support for its removal. Consequently, the Loudoun Chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy have directed me to request the statue’s return.”

The Loudoun County Board of Supervisors during its July 7 meeting is expected to consider how to remove the Confederate statue in Leesburg. The Virginia General Assembly voted earlier this year to give localities the ability to remove, relocate or contextualize the monuments in their communities. The law went into effect July 1.

County leaders have long been torn over whether to keep or remove Leesburg’s Confederate statue, but now just one of the nine county supervisors opposes its removal.

Loudoun County Chairwoman Phyllis Randall (D-At Large), who plans to bring the item to the board, said supervisors will decide on the chapter’s request at the July 7 business meeting. If the board accepts the request, Randall said supervisors will have to discuss who will cover the costs for removal.

“The arch of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice,” Randall told the Times-Mirror. “History proves the Civil War was fought because Confederate states wanted the right to own human beings. They believed this so fervently, they chose to secede from the United States and declare war on our nation. Their five-year cause resulted in the bloodiest war in our nation’s history and their ultimate defeat.”

She added, “The fact that God has blessed me to be the Chair-at-Large of Loudoun County at this moment, to receive this letter from the United Daughters of the Confederacy requesting the return of the Confederate [statue] that sits on Loudoun’s courthouse grounds, is truly remarkable. For almost two decades, I have argued forcefully that a monument to the Confederacy sitting on public property, paid for with taxpayer dollars, is unacceptable.”

Catoctin Supervisor Caleb Kershner (R), the only county supervisor against removing the statue, said on Tuesday the chapter’s letter made for a “very sad day” in Loudoun’s history. He said the purpose of the statue is “to erect a monument to the memory of the Confederate dead,” quoting the letter from United Daughters of the Confederacy.

“It saddens me that we as a citizenry of Loudoun County seem incapable as a people to understand that the cultural sins of 160 years ago are completely different than who we are as a people today,” Kershner said. “Let’s be clear: Loudoun County is not a hotbed of racism. One only needs to look to the composition of the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors. In a county that has a 7.7 percent African American population, 33 percent of the Board of Supervisors is represented by three African Americans, an outstanding achievement.”

Kershner continued, “The North fought to join our nation 160 years ago and here we sit in 2020 witnessing actions that will divide us as a county. Loudoun County’s removal of this statue places Loudoun into the short-sighted and very dangerous narrative of hiding our history, which is what Marxist societies practice. History does not always belong in a museum, history book, or on a battlefield. It belongs in locations where people can see and learn and understand all history good and bad ...”

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Related coverage:

-”A look at what may be next for the Confederate monument in Leesburg”

-”We asked 27 of Loudoun County’s elected officials their take on the Confederate monument in front of the county courthouse. Here’s what they had to say.”

-”Loudoun Clergy and Faith Leaders Group call for Leesburg Confederate statue’s removal”

(196) comments

amerigirl

Workhardon, a person is not a group, and there is a reason your posts keep getting deleted, want to stop with the name calling yet?

Equity

This statue was erected to honor revisionist history, not true history. It must be removed, perhaps to a cemetery. What we need in its place is a monument of some to the struggle racial equality.

scottva

Ok, so when are all you Liberals going to start a petition to have the name of Yale University changed? After all, Yale was named after a slave owner. Perhaps Yale will be your exception since it is a radical Liberal institution.

LeesburgFan

Of all the posts below, only one got it right (Loudoun Pulse). The DOC does not own the statue, they donated it to the County. They and their attorney are legally incorrect to state they are the owners. They may have been the builder, or hired the erector, but since when does the builder/erector become the owner after the final product is donated to the County, on County property, for public use? If the DOC wants to suggest a relocation to the Balls Bluff Battlefield cemetery and they'll pay the cost....now that's something the Board could vote on. But the DOC has no more ownership rights to the statue than any individual or group does. It is owned by "us" collectively, the Citizens and taxpayers of Loudoun County. I also like the idea of adding a "Union" soldier statue next to the Confederate statue at the Courthouse. The original purpose was to memorialize Loudoun County soldiers who fought and died, so adding a Union soldier achieves that goal, as there was a lot of blood shed at Balls Bluff by both sides. All we need is an individual or group to step up and pay for its erection, and then the County would "own" two statues and neither should be viewed as offensive. We can't and shouldn't erase our history, no matter how dark the Civil War may have been.

Lawman

Cool I am buying it with my George Soros funds and tossing it into the Potomac live on TV.

Voltaire

LeesburgFan—actually, yes the United Daughters of the Confederacy does own that statue. There is no official documentation that supports the premise that the County of Loudoun ever officially accepted the donated item and therefore it, by law, is still the possession of UDC. As to the question of the erection of the monument, § 15.2-1812 of the Code of Virginia entitled “Memorials for war veterans” Part A grants localities the authority to allow for the “….erection of monuments or memorials for the veterans of any war or conflict, or any engagement of such war or conflict.” The law only addresses the right of the locality to erect a statue, it does not address the question of ownership. Furthermore, concerning funding the relocation or removal of the statue, Part C of 15.2-1812 of the Code of Virginia states that “…The governing body may appropriate a sufficient sum of money out of its funds to complete or aid in the erection, removal, relocation, contextualizing, or covering of monuments or memorials to the veterans of such wars or conflicts, or any engagement of such wars or conflicts. The governing body may also make a special levy to raise the money necessary for the erection or completion of any such monuments or memorials, or to supplement the funds already raised or that may be raised by private persons, Veterans of Foreign Wars, the American Legion, or other organizations. It may also appropriate, out of any funds of such locality, a sufficient sum of money to permanently care for, protect, and preserve such monuments or memorials and may expend the same thereafter as other funds are expended.”

No, we do not need to use taxpayer dollars to commission another statue. That is a waste of taxpayer dollars and will only further inflame the present situation. The best thing to resolve this situation would be to put up a historical marker that explains the battles fought in Loudoun County and provides the names of all citizens who fought and died here (both Union and Confederate).

LeesburgFan

Voltaire - I don't know why you went on and on about the rules for the County to appropriate funds.....you and I are in agreement we should not be spending money on a statue, at least during 2020 during the coronavirus and lower tax receipts. You nor I are a real estate or charitable gifts lawyer, so let's let the law decide who owns the statue. Perhaps there is precedence that I am unaware of. I've already stated my strong opinion. I was using the four examples that the DOC attorney cited to support his claim that they owned the statue (open the PDF to view). I don't see any of his points that actually granted ownership to the DOC. To your point, the County contributed $500 toward the statue (which is 1/6 of the approximate cost) AND allowed it to be built on courthouse grounds.....so yes, that would be "acceptance" of the donation and increase the likelihood that it's owned by the County.

Voltaire

LeesburgFan--no, that doesn't cut it. There is no documentation that shows that the County of Loudoun accepted the statue. There is a similar case in Parker County Texas concerning another Confederate statue and whether the county owned it as it was donated. According to the courts there, the burden to proof to show ownership fell on Parker County to show that in 1928 that they had accepted the statute. That case showed that they did not. As to providing funding, they provided funding to help with the erection but that is not considered to be "acceptance".

LeesburgFan

Ok Esquire Voltaire, we'll take your opinion under advisement about what constitutes "acceptance" along with another state's opinion (neither of which mean a thing in regards to Loudoun's statue). We, the County, paid $500 toward the cost, so yes we accepted the donation.

Voltaire

LeesburgFan--and what is your legal pedigree? I don't care what you think about my conclusion. That is what the law is. You don't have any documentation that PROVES that the County of Loudoun accepted the donated statue. Want to argue that? Take it to the Circuit Court of Loudoun County and let a sitting judge tell you the same thing. You don't have to be a Harvard Law Graduate to understand that.

Voltaire

LeesburgFan--BTW the PROPER way to address a practicing attorney is to address that person as "Counselor". Nobody calls a practicing attorney Esquire [Name]. If you want to do that, then it should be as follows: Mr. John Smith, Esq.

LeesburgFan

Voltaire - you are a self-stated finance guy, so please stop with your lecture about the law in Texas and about how Esquire should be used in a sentence! I hope we do get an answer on ownership, but I suspect this statue is something akin to a polluted superfund site.....the County will only be too happy to give it away and have it removed.....before a legal determination can actually be made about ownership. But until then, my opinion has the same weight as your opinion. The DOC's attorney presents nothing concrete in his own request that proves the DOC still own the statue. He's their attorney.....why didn't he present the overwhelming answer for the BOS that DOC is still the owners? He didn't site any legal doctrine in his letter that I can see, only the history of the donation and the BOS's approval of its erection at the Courthouse.

Voltaire

LeesburgFan—OK. There is no law or regulation that says that I cannot opine on the law. How do you know that I am not a law school graduate/attorney? The answer is that you don't. There are many people in my field of finance/money management who are attorneys. For example, billionaire hedge fund manager Paul Singer is a tax attorney by training. Lloyd Blankfein was a tax attorney before working/leading Goldman Sachs. As to the proper terminology of how one refers to legal counsel, yes that needed to be clarified as that was wrong and insulting to the legal profession.

mhenshaw

>>“History proves the Civil War was fought because Confederate states wanted the right to own human beings. They believed this so fervently, they chose to secede from the United States and declare war on our nation. Their five-year cause resulted in the bloodiest war in our nation’s history and their ultimate defeat.”

The Civil War wasn't five years long, it was four. April 1861 (The attack on Fort Sumter, SC) to June 1865 (the last Confederate general surrenders his forces).

A community certainly has the right to change its mind over time about which historical figures and events it wants to celebrate. But such changes should be the result of informed discussion, not emotional outrage. By definition, there's no informed discussion occurring when the people making the decisions don't even know the dates of the war. And if they don't know that, why should we believe that they have a correct understanding of anything else related to it?

I would really love to see our county leaders grilled publicly about basic Civil War facts. I suspect most of them wouldn't make a very good showing.

Chris McHale

With all the nonsense I missed Bobby Bonilla Day. Congrats to Bobby!!

Doug Glatt

Bobby Bonilla had the most creative agent! On the downside, he has prevented the Mets from achieving success; similarly, like Cal Ripken put his own personal success ahead of the Orioles.

jke

Race baiting 2020, monument removal see Randall for instructions.

amerigirl

That was part of her platform when she ran and she was elected so it was expected. You sound like a sore loser.

Jeanne T

FTA: "Loudoun County Chairwoman Phyllis Randall (D-At Large), who plans to bring the item to the board, said supervisors will decide on the chapter’s request at the July 7 business meeting. If the board accepts the request, Randall said supervisors will have to discuss who will cover the costs for removal."

Ms. Randall, the article says the chapter wants the statue "returned".

"Returned," as in given back to them, which means it was probably erected by them and therefore belongs to them. And let them pay for it. I'm sure they would be willing to do so.

amerigirl

yes they should, if not there is probably a museum that would take it away.

bboop

They are more than welcome to put this fine soldier in my front yard just a few blocks away! I would take great loving care of it, and give it the honor it deserves for our Loudoun sons who it commemorates.

Bye Don 2020

Hey, UDC, 1908 called and they want their statue back...

Jeanne T

So let them have it back. I have no problem with that.

Accountability

That's the whole point of this. Keep writing letters to Hillary.

amerigirl

Point of what? Who are you talking to? I hope it's not Jeanne since she is very republican. So what is with the Hillary BS?

Accountability

My comment is not indented to Jeanne's, it is indented to Bye Don. I'll let you rack your brain trying to figure the rest out.

amerigirl

Acct. Work on your people skills you are in desperate need

jbsets

For accountability:

Indented? You mean like this:

Indented

or perhaps you mean:

Intended?

jbsets

I'm lost. What does Hillary got to do with this?

amerigirl

that's what I said, you would have to ask him, Accountability Jul 2, 2020 10:12am

That's the whole point of this. Keep writing letters to Hillary.

Problem focusing maybe?

springerdad

Do we have any Lincoln, Jefferson or Washington monuments in Loudoun?

Voltaire

Springerdad--why would we have any here?

Voltaire

Springerdad--I agree with you that the destruction of stuff while it make the person feel better for a short period of time does not help in the long run.

BigDaddyVA

Were any of them traitors against the United States? Strange comment.

springerdad

I guess you only read the LTM Bigdaddy. Their statutes are being attacked all across the country and I would rather deal with them now then later.

Voltaire

Springerdad--How would you deal with them?

springerdad

Volt -

Everything in proper perspective. Additional information might help but destroying stuff while it make the person feel better for a short period of time does not help in the long run.

Lawman

So let’s see, liars and traitors put up some false ideology, that all of a sudden represents history? Give me a break. Because we have more people in this County that are not descendants of traitors and racist and know how to read, this dog ain’t hunting no more. The statue is gone. Move to to another lie to protect.

Voltaire

Lawman--you are factually inaccurate. First, President Andrew Johnson, on December 25, 1868, pardoned them of the act of treason and therefore they cannot legally be called that, but don't let facts/law/history stop you. Yes, the Confederate States of America is part of history. Whether you like it or not is immaterial. The definition of History (from Greek ἱστορία, historia, meaning 'inquiry; knowledge acquired by investigation') is the study of the past. The Confederate States of America is part of the Civil War period of history. From a historical perspective, it is totally IRRELEVANT that we have more people in this County that are not descendants of Confederate States of America. I am glad to see that you can read. Your ability to put together coherent arguments based on facts/logic leave a lot to be desired.

amerigirl

Springer, Your attack on Bigdaddy made no sense and was unnecessary.

amerigirl

Volt, Lawman ethically is right. As I said before Johnson did not believe in the emancipation of slaves when the war started. he even had his state of Tennessee exempted from the Emancipation Proclamation. He was a bigot. That pardon should have never happened and in his own way Johnson was a traitor.

Voltaire

AG—OK, it is fair to say that you and I disagree on this topic. However, no, Lawman is not correct. As the official historical record shows, there are many reasons why the Confederate States of America seceded and the Civil War commenced. Those reasons are primarily economic and political and are a little more complex than a simple discussion on “false ideology.” As to the continued emphasis that the Confederates are “traitors”, as I have pointed out, the official pardon done by President Johnson on December 25, 1868 is valid and thus they can no longer be considered “traitors” from a legal perspective as that pardon removes that. It isn’t really relevant what Andrew Johnson’s motivations are/were as that action is a binding action done under the authority as President of the United States. The historical record shows that the pardon DID happen and wishing that it didn’t is irrelevant and making a claim that the pardon is “biased” is debatable. Concerning the exemption that Tennessee received from the Emancipation Proclamation, the reason that occurred was that the State of Tennessee was under Union control and Andrew Johnson was the Military Governor. The Proclamation applied only to slaves in Confederate-held lands; it did not apply to those in the four slave states that were not in rebellion (Kentucky, Maryland, Delaware, and Missouri, which were unnamed), nor to Tennessee (unnamed but occupied by Union troops since 1862) and lower Louisiana (also under occupation), and specifically excluded those counties of Virginia soon to form the state of West Virginia. Also specifically excluded (by name) were some regions already controlled by the Union army.

amerigirl

Volt, you can’t say we agree to disagree and then argue about it. The main reason for succession was because Lincoln was getting elected and they knew he wanted to end slavery. There were other points but that was the main reason. As I have pointed out Johnson had his own interest at heart, making him a traitor to the country as well. That is why Tennessee was exempted. My mind won’t change on it and neither will yours, agree to disagree?

Voltaire

AG--fair enough. We agree to disagree on this point.

Voltaire

BigDaddyVA--no, it is not a strange comment. To answer your first question, no, they aren't traitors against the United States. Two of them, however, are considered to be traitors against the British Crown. The reason for my initial comment is why would someone erect a monument to Lincoln here in Loudoun County? Did he visit or do something noteworthy here? No. There are Lincoln statues in Illinois, Washington D.C., Richmond Virginia and that makes sense. As for Washington and Jefferson, the same logic applies. Did either one of them come to Loudoun County and do anything noteworthy/commemorative? No. So, my initial question stands as to why would there be a statue here of them? As to the Confederate statue, that discussion has already occurred and not worth reigniting it. However, if you use one of the viewpoints about the statue, that of remembering the people from this area who died for the Confederate States of America, then the presence of that statue is more logical.

amerigirl

You and I will always disagree with if they were traitors. I believe they were. They were the ones that left because they didn't like an elected president.

amerigirl

Volt, Johnson did not believe in the emancipation of slaves when the war started. he even had his state of Tennessee exempted from the Emancipation Proclamation. He was an embarrassment as a president and that pardon is biased.

amerigirl

Did they leave and wage war on the US? Yes they were traitors

Voltaire

AG--actually, it depends on the time period that you are referring to. During the Civil War, the Confederate States of America seceded from the Union and you could make the argument then. However, since December 25, 1868, they cannot be considered "traitors" from a legal/historical perspective. In the aftermath of the Civil War, President Andrew Johnson on December 25, 1868 issued pardons to all Confederate soldiers who fought in that conflict. The President extended “unconditionally, and without reservation ... a full pardon and amnesty for the offence of treason against the United States, or of adhering to their enemies during the late Civil War, with restoration of all rights, privileges, and immunities under the Constitution and the laws.”

amerigirl

Because none of those presidents fought against the US like confederates did. Not strange once you see the point.

Jeanne T

“It saddens me that we as a citizenry of Loudoun County seem incapable as a people to understand that the cultural sins of 160 years ago are completely different than who we are as a people today,” Kershner said.

Silly lady. She seems to not comprehend that that we are now to be blamed for the sins of our ancestors, even if our ancestors had no part in the Transatlantic Slave Trade (including owning slaves), which we ended, but especially if they did. And members of the United Daughters of the Confederacy must never be absolved. They are guilty by association. Doesn't everyone know this??

RandomName2019

It's entirely possible to not shoulder the sins of the past while also recognizing that continuing to celebrate the Confederacy, and those who choose to associate themselves with Confederate imagery, is wrong.

I often wonder what motivates someone to so desperately cling to a monument to a failed rebellion, especially one so intertwined with the subjugation of an entire race and culture.

Jeanne T

Do not think for one second that I am celebrating the Confederacy or choosing to associate myself with it, just in case you are entertaining thoughts in that direction (and I suspect you are). I have no ancestors who fought in the Civil War, and I'm not a Southerner. I believe the Civil War was a tragedy. Why? Because after all the lives were lost in an effort to end slavery in this country, it still isn't good enough for many today. Ignorance abounds. It isn't only Confederate statues that are being defaced and removed. Abolitionists' statues have also been vandalized by ignorant, malevolent individuals who apparently don't know the difference between a slave owner and an abolitionist. You can thank our public schools for producing this ignorance. (And I blame first the parents who have entrusted their progeny to these sub-standard institutions.)

Furthermore, you wrote, "It's entirely possible to not shoulder the sins of the past while also recognizing that continuing to celebrate the Confederacy, and those who choose to associate themselves with Confederate imagery, is wrong." While that is a nice sentiment, but it is naive and does not square with our present reality. Even if all the Confederate statues come down, it isn't going to be enough, and it isn't going to stop there.

jbsets

I agree especially when many celebrate it with a gun in hand and a smaller percentage add a swastika. Why celebrate a war from 160 years ago...a war that "you" lost? Are "you" planning to secede again?

jbsets

I agree. I didn't even know that there is a Daughters of the Confederacy and if there is, why does it still exist. I just find that odd. I don't think that anyone should be ashamed of who they are related to, but maybe not celebrate it? Well, as someone said above, I'm not from here. I moved here from Massachusetts 33 years ago (been in VA 9 years longer than in MA...so yes I am old), so I am Yankee. I have no clue if my dad's ancestors fought in the Civil War. My mom's ancestors came to the US in the 1910s. Regardless of where I was born and raised and where I live now, I can tell you as a historian (like a real one, not just a hobby), the confederate leaders were traitors to the US. Just because they seceded, doesn't excuse that. They fought a war against the US. I don't blame the soldiers since most got dragged into the fray and just did as they were told. Just because Andrew Johnson pardoned them, doesn't change the fact that they did what they did. (By the way, Johnson was a true racist who did everything he could to bend the laws to keep the former slaves from freedom or having a life and he was impeached for going against Congress by doing all this. He was no bastion of greatness.) Same applies to Nixon for Watergate. He was about to be impeached when he resigned. Ford pardoned him but it didn't erase that he did the crime. As for the statue(s), let them have them back or put them somewhere else in Leesburg with a plaque explaining his place in history. Celebrating his father and grandfather is a good thing. They were revolutionary war heros...which technically made them traitors to the English crown. Is there talk about removing statues of Washington or Lincoln in Leesburg? I haven't see statues of either or talk of removing them. Of course Washington owned slaves and concocted a way to use his slaves in Philly when that was the capital city because PA had a rule that after 6 months, slaves could be freed. He rotated them out every 5 months. Lincoln didn't own slaves but was in favor of slavery. He was convinced to sign the proclamation by his "team" as a tool to get re-elected in 1864. On the lighter side, here is a sort of funny story depending on how you choose to take it. In York Maine there is a Civil War statue in the middle of town. It was purchased in the early 1900s with all the names of the citizens who fought in that war. When the statue arrived, instead of the Yankee soldier they ordered, it was a Confederate statue. They erected the statue anyway because back then, how would you return it? It's still there. It's like one of those funny landmarks that everyone wants to see and take a picture there (like the lighthouse (google lighthouse and lobster roll). What makes it even funnier is that one of the town council members wants it removed. Why? Not for what you think...that it's a confederate statue. Nope, because he thinks that the historic town square needs more sidewalks.

Voltaire

Jbsets—First, if a group of people want to celebrate their ancestors by establishing a non-profit organization to remember/respect them like the Daughters of the Confederacy that is their right and theirs alone as long as they comply with the law. Speaking of the law, I hate to break it to you but it DOES matter that Andrew Johnson on December 25, 1868 pardoned the Confederates of the act of treason. President Andrew Johnson on December 25, 1868 issued pardons to all Confederate soldiers who fought in that conflict. The President extended “unconditionally, and without reservation ... a full pardon and amnesty for the offence of treason against the United States, or of adhering to their enemies during the late Civil War, with restoration of all rights, privileges, and immunities under the Constitution and the laws.” Therefore, effective from the declaration of that pardon, they were no longer “traitors” as that offense was cleared by the pardon. Whether you like it or not is not material as that is the legal interpretation and that is what matters. It doesn’t matter what the President of United States’ viewpoint was at the time that he did the action as he did that in his official capacity as President of the United States and was well within his rights to do so under the Constitution. You are correct, the Revolutionary War heroes and the Founding Fathers are/were considered to be traitors to the British Crown. There are no statues here for Lincoln, Washington, or Jefferson in this county. However, no matter what one’s viewpoint on history is, it is ILLEGAL to destroy public property and commit wanton destruction. These vandals do not want or care about history or they wouldn’t be attacking abolitionist, Union military, and other non-Confederate symbols. They should be dealt with maximum force allowed by law enforcement.

Chris McHale

If a group is willing to take it at their cost what's the issue? Can we once save tax payers some money.

amerigirl

agree!

Voltaire

AG--there's a point that we can both agree on.

RandomName2019

I think they have to go through the process for a few reasons; to codify the decision to have it removed, to communicate that they will remove it even if the confederate group doesn't claim it in a timely manner, and to determine the cost of having it removed safely from public property without damaging the grounds.

David Dickinson

Why does Phyllis Randall have to make everything about her?

Loudoun Observer

That's who she is. And the hateful left loves her.

Mike Kay

LoudounObserver < "hateful" from the supporter of the "president" who panders to white supremacists! You can't make anything this idiotic up!

amerigirl

It doesn't have to be "made up"

Bye Don 2020

No we don't

CindyLou

Loudoun Observer.....the hateful left? HA! You extremists kill me. The only hateful comments I see (besides mine) are from the radical racist Trump supporters who when someone does not agree with them, they go cra cra.

amerigirl

And the losing right hate her, that's who they are.

amerigirl

Hateful left, that must be all those gun nuts that are collecting them so they can shoot their neighbors should they walk on their land during a pandemic? Or the ones pulling guns on people just because they are black? They must be the ones that won't wear masks to protect their fellow Americans and throw hissy fits when told to put one on, because you know a private store is American and they have rights.

amerigirl

Did you even read her whole statement? It was because she has been fighting toward the cause and was glad she was the one in the position when it happened, the rest is not about her.

springerdad

Can we get this resolved ASAP so we can move on to something else to be outraged at.

Voltaire

SD--not really. First the County Government has to formally agree with the request. That will probably happen on July 7 and then the County and the receiving agency will have to negotiate costs and terms of transferring the property. I am sure that the LTM will have a couple more stories on this topic....

Accountability

You know this will get dragged out until November. Randall is cool with giving it back but the never satisfieds will get in their own way.

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Accountability

I said Randall was cool with it. That's a good thing. My people skills, huh?

Lawman

Dude we got a list, Mosby Highway, Byrd Highway, Jeff Davis Highway, Confederate Statues in the US Capital, SRO’s in Schools, more minority teachers, legalize weed, changing the history curriculum in our schools, exoneration of all past marijuana convictions. The list goes on and on.

Jeanne T

"The list goes on and on."

Indeed it does. Where should it stop? Because after all statues in this country are removed, what is next? All churches, or only some? Synagogues? These are already being attacked. Why?

Voltaire

Lawman--there is nothing wrong with having School Resource Officers (SROs) stationed in schools.

amerigirl

That's a matter of opinion. Have you seen some of the videos of kids getting body slammed or beaten by them? That should not have to be their job. That would be perfect job to be created by defunding. The police can do what they were trained to do and the new school security can be trained on how to deal with minors.

LetSanityPrevail

AG, please cite an instance where Loudoun SROs have done the type of behavior you are claiming. We are talking about our county, not generalities.

Voltaire

AG--this is a blanket characterization that is clearly wrong. Not all School Resource Officers (SRO) "...body slammed or beaten..." kids in schools. Makes a nice narrative though. The United States Department of Justice defines a School Resource Officer (SRO) as a sworn law enforcement officer who is responsible for safety and crime prevention in schools. A SRO is typically employed by a local police or sheriff's agency and works closely with administrators in an effort to create a safer environment for both students and staff. The responsibilities of a SRO are similar to that of a regular police officer/sheriff's deputy in that they have the ability to make arrests, respond to calls for service, and document incidents. A SRO typically have additional duties, including mentoring and conducting presentations on youth-related issues. A SRO is not synonymous with school based law enforcement (SBLE) officers – which are typically employed by a school district's law enforcement agency, rather than local or city law enforcement – though they are often used interchangeably. SROs are viewed as a critical resource in reducing deadly violence in public schools. School security doesn't have the power of arrest and are really nothing more than unarmed security guards. Just how effective are they going to be against juvenile crime, including violent crimes that involve the use of a firearm/weapon, in schools? Very little. Further, The Congressional Research Service and the National Association of School Resource Officers point out that there is an inverse correlation between the national trend increases in use of a SRO and the decreases in crime rates in schools, suggesting that the deployment of more SROs are associated with reduced crime rates.

amerigirl

LetinSanityPrevail No we were talking about in general, the list mentioned by Lawman. Do you think confederate statues in the capital means Loudoun?

amerigirl

Volt, you missed the pint. This should not be a job for the police. Put a person that can disciplined but at the same time provide counseling and help. Separate them from the police dept and have them be their own department with people who are more in tune with the minds of the age groups, and can provide accordingly. I bet it does lower the crime rate in school when you have an armed person there. But as we saw at Parkview, the kids can go for those guns and try to get them from SRO.

Voltaire

AG—no, the job of the law enforcement is to enforce the law. The state gives them unique authorities and requires specialized training. School security does have those requirements and doesn’t have arrest power. Again, how is school security going to handle violent crime such as shootings or knife attacks? How do they handle gangs? They can’t. Furthermore, there is a difference between law enforcement and sociology. As my family members who have over 30 years on the job tell me, you don’t get the luxury of “getting in tune with the minds of the age groups”. That is not their job and shouldn’t be. As for “counseling”, isn’t that the job of the school psychologist? As for regular discipline, SROs don’t get involved with that unless there is a criminal infraction. Regular discipline is done by the Vice Principal of the school.

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springerdad

Mikey - I don't like the statue and want it moved to a proper place. It serves no purpose where it is located. I am just tired of the same story over and over again.

You are the part of my Democratic party that makes me cringe with your attitude.

My guess is you are just as much of an a hole in real life as you are when you post.

jke

You can have the statue but only if you take the great divider, Randall also!

Lawman

Jke the only thing Chair Randell divides is you racist from your senses. Can’t stand to see a Black women running the show. Get use to it clown, she ain’t going nowhere until she runs for Governor.

Jeanne T

I think it's you who is the racist, Lawman. Worse, you claim to have fought for this country. And I think you're a traitor.

Voltaire

Lawman--how do you know that is what Chair Randell wants to do? Are you her campaign manager?

amerigirl

Trump doesn't want the statue, he's a nationalist remember? Randall is doing what the people who elected her want her to do, too bad for you.

R3ckless

Take it down, its no longer acceptable in 2020 to support what this statue represents.

Voltaire

R3ckless--do you have the official DEFINITIVE representation of what that statue is? No, because there isn't any and thus it is subjective.

Bye Don 2020

Since 99% of the defenders of leaving the statue in place also, on other topics, make posts that can easily be construed as bigoted, it may not be DEFINITIVE to say the statue comforts racists but it would sure be silly to argue that it's hard to know one way or the other...

Voltaire

Bye Don 2020--thanks for proving my point correct. There is no official DEFINITIVE representation of what that statue is. Therefore, as I pointed out in my initial posting, it is subjective. Your statement above further supports the premise that there is no official definition and that "...its hard to know one way or the other..."

amerigirl

The point was never to comfort the bigots it was to intimidate blacks. That is why the organizations donated them countrywide and mostly during the Jim Crow era.

amerigirl

Volt, it says right on it. It is dedicated to the Confederate soldiers.

Voltaire

AG--it says on the statue the following: "In Memory of the Confederate soldiers of Loudoun County, Erected May 28, 1908." It is NOT dedicated to the entire Confederacy or all Confederate soldiers. Therefore, the representation of the statue is still subjective because a credible argument, based upon the inscription, is that the statue is there to honor the fallen Confederate soldiers from this county. That is a different argument than the popular one about racism and intimidation. However, based on the available information, it is just as credible so there is not a DEFINITIVE representation of what the statue is.

amerigirl

Volt, I am very aware of what it says and have been for years. It does not have to be dedicated to the ENTIRE confederacy, why would it? It is still honoring soldiers that fought, regardless of where they were from, against the US and for the confederacy which promoted slavery. These types of statues were put in place by organizations that wanted to put black people in their place in their terms. You can’t be more definitive than saying In Memory of the Confederate soldiers. It is very definitive. Those organizations new exactly what they were doing (intimidating blacks) and where the best places to have them erected, courthouses and town squares. They have donated and dedicated hundreds of statues for that purpose all across the US.

Voltaire

AG--nope, that doesn't work at all. The argument of what the statue represents is still subjective. No matter how distasteful it may be, you can still make a credible argument that the statue is there simply honor those individuals from the village/county who died in the Civil War fighting for the CSA. It is nothing more than that. However, you are bringing up an expanded, subjective perspective that goes beyond simple recognition and adds the following: ".It is still honoring soldiers that fought, regardless of where they were from, against the US and for the confederacy which promoted slavery. These types of statues were put in place by organizations that wanted to put black people in their place in their terms." That point is debatable. So, again, there is no definitive representation as to what the statue means.

amerigirl

Volt, It doesn’t matter because what you say doesn’t work for me or any other person that may feel like having to enter a courthouse under a symbol of racial intimidation is wrong, it is very wrong. You can’t honestly believe that an armed confederate soldier is not meant to intimidate black. This is a courthouse and a symbol of equality and justice under the law, it takes that away from some people. Yes they were put n place for just that reason. Read up on the United Daughters of the Confederacy

Voltaire

AG—fair enough because I don’t agree with your conclusion either. You can’t dismiss the point that the statue might be there as a memorial to citizens of the community who died during that conflict. Actually, yes you can say that that statue isn’t meant to intimidate African Americans. As for the “justification” that “…they were put there for a reason”. That is subjective and draws a conclusion. I have read up on the United Daughters of the Confederacy. I have also read up the “objective” Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) and found that they are anything but. Maybe you should read up on the SPLC.

KK153

agreed. the Southern cause was not to live under the yoke of an all powerful federal gov. They lost that cause and now the sheep line up to fed, bathed and sang to by the nanny state...in 2020...

amerigirl

the only sheep are trumps base

LetsBreal

Wow! More "peaceful protests"....

Youtube - blac bloc Antifa/BLM militant fired multiple times into an SUV in Provo

amerigirl

And who is "greatsea"? That isn't a news source with any type of reputation for the truth. Did you not notice that the SUV was plowing into the people?

Voltaire

AG--what I noticed, after multiple viewings, is that the driver of the SUV was legally sitting at a stop light and was overrun by "agitators". Based on the audio feed, the driver blew his/her horn several times and they failed to get out of the way. The SUV did not "plow" into the people and in fact, based on the video, swerved to avoid hitting some. The "agitators" are clearly at fault here as they were illegally assembled and were blocking the intersection.

springerdad

Volt - AG only sees what she wants to see. She is like a horse with blinders. If it does not fit her agenda she will make up the facts.

Voltaire

Springerdad--fair point.

David Dickinson

"The fact that God has blessed me to be the Chair-at-Large of Loudoun County" Is anyone concerned that Phyllis Randall thinks she was appointed by God? That may explain the ego.

Lawman

She said blessed. Wake up

David Dickinson

She said blessed TO BE. What do you think that means? She is invoking the Almighty saying that she was appointed at this time to be the County's first black Chair to see the statue come down. She sounds quite full of herself, which is normal for her.

Jeanne T

"Blessed" is an overused word that has become meaningless.

amerigirl

Agree with you there, it happen every time something good happens to someone, I don't get it.

RandomName2019

Huh, I didn't see the word appointed, I saw the word blessed. I guess you see what you want to see if you look hard enough.

David Dickinson

Clearly she is claiming divine providence.

amerigirl

Clearly she is not. It's the way you took it.

amerigirl

Typical republican lie. Some people feel blessed to be appointed to a position,

David Dickinson

True, but that isn't what she said. Randall said, "God has blessed me to be the Chair-at-Large of Loudoun County." She thinks she is Chair at this time by divine providence.

Jeanne T

As I said, amerigirl, blessed is now an overused word.

amerigirl

They should have it. I'll even go and bubble wrap it for them

Mike Kay

Shed a tear for the entitled Daughters of the Confederacy, some of whom are bitter because they have to work now that their husbands can no longer own their virtually free labor. :( Here's a specially made pie for y'all! :)

Voltaire

Mike Kay--grow up. The Civil War ENDED 155 years ago. It is really necessary to act juvenile and make fun of people who simply want their statue back?

Mike Kay

Voltaire: Indeed, it was 155 years ago and deplorable people can't let go of the fact that they lost, and the privilege that went with it. Pity the poor Daughters of the Confederacy! I can't even believe that such an organization exists!

Voltaire

Mike Kay--the United Daughters of the Confederacy organization is a non-profit hereditary organization that remembers its ancestors from that time period. There is nothing wrong with that. As to your comment about "deplorable people", you may want to consider that Hilary Clinton in the 2016 campaign used that elite smugness and got herself tossed to the street by those "deplorable people", didn't she? For the umpteenth time, nobody is glorifying the Confederate States of America. However, it did exist and is part of the historical record so get over it.

Jeanne T

You know, MikeKay, the Armenians can't let go of the past either.....

amerigirl

Volt, there is definitely something wrong with that. UDC is classified as a Neo-Confederacy group.(reactionary, revisionist branch of American white nationalism typified by its predilection for symbols of the Confederate States of America, typically paired with a strong belief in the validity of the failed doctrines of nullification and secession—in the specific context of the antebellum South—that rose to prominence in the late 20th and early 21st centuries.) There are other such groups that I’m sure you would not think highly of in the same category such as the League of the South which has increasingly embraced violence, criticized perceived Jewish power and warned black people that they would be defeated in a future race war. They participated in the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville.

There is also Identity Dixie, who wants to “revitalize our communities and small towns, and retake everything.” . You are wrong, this group and others are glorifying the Confederate States of America.

These people are "deplorable people", and it has nothing to do with Clinton, BTW dems still use that term for trumps deplorables

You can defend them and tell people to get over it but they shouldn't get over it as long as there re these hate groups out there.

Voltaire

AG—OK, First, the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC), as identified on their website is as follows: “…the UDC is a tax-exempt, non-profit Organization whose objectives are Historical, Benevolent, Educational, Memorial and Patriotic.” The purpose of the UDC is to honor the memory of its Confederate ancestors; protecting, preserving and marking the places made historic by Confederate valor; collecting and preserving the material for a truthful history of the War Between the States; recording the participation of Southern women in their patient endurance of hardship and patriotic devotion during and after the War Between the States; fulfilling the sacred duty of benevolence toward the survivors and those dependent upon them; assisting descendants of worthy Confederates in securing a proper education; honoring the service of veterans from all wars as well as active duty military personnel and cherishing the ties of friendship among the members of the organization. The UDC, on their website stated that they are a patriotic Organization which honors and upholds the United States of America and respects its Flag. As to the claims of “neo-Confederate” organization, that information came from the Southern Poverty Law Center. The UDC, on their website issued a statement that (1) totally denounces any individual or group that promotes racial divisiveness or white supremacy and call on these people to cease using Confederate symbols for their abhorrent and reprehensible purposes.

Since you think that the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the source of the “neo-Confederate” designation is the “center of all things”, well, they are hardly anything but that. According to media and other reporting, the SPLC is not what it claims to be. Not a pure-hearted, clear-headed legal advocate for the vulnerable, but rather an obscenely wealthy marketing scheme. For years, the left-wing interest group has used its “hate group” list to promote the fiction that violent neo-N a z I s and Christian nonprofits peacefully promoting orthodox beliefs about marriage and sex are indistinguishable. Sometimes, it has apologized to public figures it has smeared, and it recently paid out millions to settle a threatened defamation lawsuit. These shameful secrets are no longer hidden in shadows. The New York Times, Politico, NPR and a host of other mainstream publications have reported on the corruption and widening credibility gap. The SPLC dismissed its co-founder in March, and its president has resigned amidst numerous claims of sexual harassment, gender discrimination and racism within the organization — a parade of disgraces that vividly force the conclusion: The SPLC is hollow, rotten and failing at the very virtues it pretends to celebrate

Accountability

If we want to talk entitlement, let's focus on all the people out gathering en masse for haircuts and protests because their wants are more important than science.

That would also require you not being a partisan stooge.

amerigirl

Haircuts, looking shaggy and want to go inside to be pretty, yes. Protesting outside because lives being taken and calling for change, no.

Voltaire

AG--no, that's a blanket characterization. Not every protest was out there "...because lives being taken and calling for change." A lot of those "protests" were/are actually civil unrest and are not protests and they weren't out there "...calling for change". They were out there because it was a perfect opportunity to create pandemonium, loot, burn, pillage, and maybe kill a few law enforcement officers. Those are anarchists and they don't give a toss about "lives being taken". At that point, the authorities should have used maximum force and squashed them like they deserved.

Jeanne T

You're wrong about "nonessential" work. No one's work is nonessential except, perhaps for most politicians and, in some places where some are calling for defunding the police departments (while hiring private security for city council members; yeah, their work is "essential". NOT.) How dare you judge someone in that manner. How do you know that unemployment (which varies) and $600 a week is enough to pay the bills for everyone who is unemployed. That won't go on forever.

Furthermore, no one is being endangered if the masks work and people wear them. Is the Costco strain of COVID-19 more dangerous than the ice cream shop or beauty salon strain? If so, who? Are the masks effective or are they not? You can't have it both ways. But for you, apparently, God forbid that anyone should desire to go out for an ice cream cone. You have shown no empathy for small businesses that have closed permanently. You have shown no empathy for family businesses around the country, many which have been around for years, What do you do at night? Sit around and laugh about it?

amerigirl

Jeanne, WHAT? How dare you say that when you have to know it is not true. Who do you think you are to determine that what one does is essential enough to endanger other people? In a normal world people would be working, but this isn’t normal, and it is getting worse. Five of the last eight days have broken records for cases in a day reported. It isn’t just the number of cases but the percentage of positive to negative that has increased. And why??? Because people won’t wear the masks!! They would be very effective IF people would wear them. Have you been to any store during the pandemic? Have you ever been in a grocery store where all the customers are wearing masks? Most of my family and extended family have jobs that are considered essential. Do you want to hear the stories of people spitting on, cussing at and hurting them and their co-workers for wearing a mask? The harassment from those who don’t want to wear them is unbelievable. I do have empathy for small business and what they are going through. I have had one myself and I know it’s hard but as I said before, these are not normal times. But if you sincerely think that everyone is wearing a mask look at the president and his family. Look at the pictures of the protesters from the second amendment rallies, look at the pictures of trumps 2 rallies, thousands of people and L saw 1, only 1 person with a mask, and he was alone in the empty upper tier where he didn’t even need one. Why would you think anyone is laughing about being in tis situation? I don’t know anyone that would take pleasure in someone else’s suffering.

Jeanne T

The entitled ones are those looting stores and taking stuff. Wanting a haircut means you also want other people to work and earn a living to feed their families. And there is no such thing as nonessential work.

amerigirl

Demanding that places of business open and endanger people because someone feels their haircut is more important is entitlement. Yes there is nonessential work. People are getting unemployment plus $600 week to live on and feed their families. There is no emergency that would call for someone to have a haircut. tattoo, or an ice cream cone.

Jeanne T

How are they "entitled"? They aren't the ones asking for free stuff.

supercoffee1025

Tear it down! We have no room for memorials to racist traitors or slave owners around here! I love what they’ve done in the UK - throw it right into the river. Bye.

Voltaire

Supercoffee1025--yeah right. There are proper ways of removing these items and committing wanton vandalism/destruction isn't and shouldn't be a method. It is also a criminal offense. Concerning the UK scenario, I would suspect that those individuals who did that are probably in the custody of the Constabulary as that is a criminal offense there too.

Accountability

Search their username + reddit for a laugh.

amerigirl

If you want to be a stalker you could do that. Did you stalk them because they posted here?

TPL

It wasn't the Confederates who initiated the entire war, it was the Union. The war was simply an attempt to prevent the South from seceding. Meanwhile, slavery was still given the okay in the states which didn't secede.

Bye Don 2020

Hate to burst your fake history bubble but the South seceded before the war began. The United States declared war on the traitors to defeat them and thus preserve the Union. As history turned out, it's a good thing they did...though surely you can't swing a rope around here without hitting a couple who wish the traitors had prevailed.

Voltaire

Bye Don 2020--like making unsubstantiated claims, do we? I do not believe that there is anybody who wanted the Confederate States of America to win the Civil War. Can you prove otherwise? No, but that doesn't stop from making statements with no basis in fact, does it?

amerigirl

Volt he is mostly right, Secession started on December 20, 1860 through June 8. 1861 which included 11 states with the original provisional government at Montgomery, Alabama. Lincoln declared that he would do everything necessary to keep the United States united as one country. He refused to recognize the southern states as an independent nation. The first fighting began on April 12, 1861, which is thought of as the start of the civil war. Right after that Virginia, Arkansas, Tennessee, and North Carolina joined them and they moved the capital to Richmond. The first shot was fired by Major Robert Anderson who led the small force of U.S. soldiers at Fort Sumter.I believe that there are those around here that still think the South was right and wish they had won the war. Look at the amount of confederate flags and confederate statue worshipers.

Voltaire

AG—OK, I agree with you on your statement about the Ordinance of Secession that occurred from December 20, 1860 through June 8, 1861. Major Anderson did not fire the first shot of the Civil War. That is wrong. At 7:00 AM on April 12, 1861, Captain Abner Doubleday fired the first shot at the Ironclad Battery at Cummings Point. Just because people wave the Confederate flag does not automatically associate them with the CSA or wish that the South won the war. As for “Confederate statue worshippers”, that description is subjective and debatable. There are people, like me, who like these statues, not because of the “implied racist overtones”, but because of the historic and artistic value of them. That sentiment applies to both Union and Confederate statues. Nothing wrong with that at all.

springerdad

How does Lawman get to threaten people on this board time after time and still get to post. He actually sounds like a very dangerous person and one I hope to never meet in person.

Lawman

Threats, threat theoretical. We just promising action. People need to take responsibility for what you say or do. Be a man, if you say something be proud of your words.

Accountability

If you were proud of your words you wouldn't be using an alias. You literally just canceled yourself.

Chris McHale

Accountability - best response so far.

Voltaire

Lawman--are we proud of making threats that border on criminality? That sounds like something someone who is juvenile would do.

RoundHillGuy

Lawman , don't make threats of coming after people, a group of offended millennial girls and affeminate "men" in skateboard helmets, faces concealed and black skinny jeans are not match for a squad of guys who have been to war, utilizing the most basic small unit tactics. stop pretending that the "revolution" is coming to people you disagree with. It's laughable to those of us who know what real conflict and oppression look like. I keep telling you, once the adults decide to stop tolerating the woke mob, your so called revolution will come to a screeching halt. that doesn't mean that we can't make social progress it just means that your side won't get that through violence and threats. not going to happen.

Jeanne T

"We just promising action." What kind of action, Lawman? You are making threats.

You are incoherent. Threats are not "theoretical". You fantasized about putting a bullet in my brain on a thread here, and the entire thread was subsequently closed because the Loudon Times-Mirror did not see your comments as "theoretical". You made those comments because that's what you want to do.

amerigirl

When did saying you were going to action become equal with a threat? Protests are action. Petitioning is action. Making calls to representatives is action.

Voltaire

AG--Jeanne T is correct in her comment about Lawman and his "antics". From a legal perspective, and I checked with my family members in law enforcement, that statement he made to Jeanne T could be interpreted as illegal and could have led to action by law enforcement.

Voltaire

SD--I don't know how he gets to get away with that. The only time I saw LTM take action on him was that one story where he threatened physical violence against another poster.

Accountability

All you have to do is yell, "look over there, the revolution is being televised!" and they'll get distracted.

Lawman

Wipe you tears. This Revolution is being televised and I am behind the camera. Night ladies.

Accountability

Pro tip - you want to be in front of the camera for it to work. If you're behind the camera nobody will see you!

Also funny how you comment in another area if SGP has harassed any women lately, but then try to insult people by calling them "ladies". How do you shoot those guns with no spine?

RoundHillGuy

Does your camera have an EO tech mounted on it?

LoudounPulse

The County should realize the Daughters of the Confederacy is really just looking for something they can use to turn into a tourist attraction to fill their bank account. What the county should do is destroy the statue. If they keep it, a future board might put it back. If they give it away, it will simply create a new controversy somewhere else in the county. The best plan is to just melt it down and sell it for scrap. Then use the proceeds for an African American Scholarship.

Voltaire

LP--I believe that they donated that statue to Loudoun County in 1908 so if they want it back that is within their right to do so. You do know that the costs of removal/destruction of the statue will probably outweigh any economic value that you would get based upon current commodity prices today? Wow.

LoudounPulse

A donation is a donation. Thus D.O.C. no longer owns it or has a right to receive it back.

Voltaire

LP--again, you are going to get zip squat given the current commodity market if you melt it down. So, why not give it back to them? Why should Loudoun County government have to pay for maintenance/storage/removal costs when there is an interested party who wants it?

Accountability

If you know this then I would imagine you're sons/daughters of confederacy? Makes sense considering you think scrap metal proceeds would be sufficient for an African American scholarship.

BobOhneiserEsq

Do the BOS members even know what the top five problems Loudoun is facing that they should be resolving? Do they know removing 100 year old statues doesn't make the top ten? Just add a second Union soldier and get back to representing the majority of Loudoun which is more than just the party that elected you. :-)

Voltaire

Bob--OK, the organization that put up the statue on the courthouse grounds in 1908 has asked for it back. So, the problem should be solved. No? So, why add a second statue which costs the taxpayers money and doesn't really solve the problem which is the presence of the Confederate soldier? That is illogical. As to your continued belief that the Board of Supervisors and the County Government are going to solve problems is also misplaced, to put it nicely.

Lawman

You can whistle dixie to that statue. Next we coming after frauds whose racism has come out in the last several weeks. You can do business in this County but we gonna make sure the good citizens know who and what you are and Bobby you number one on the big Scarlet R businesses list.

Virginia SGP

Are you suggesting folks will give their business to someone based on their race as opposed to their competency? That seems to be a common refrain from the new "social justice" groups. Once upon a time, enabling the most talented and competent to rise to the top regardless of their color was a shared goal. Is it still even a goal?

Virginia SGP

I have never harassed any women. But I did recently recommend LCPS fire Supt Williams and shell out any amount of $$ necessary to get (former Fairfax Supt) Karen Garza or (former LCPS Asst Supt) Cynthia Ambrose to come take the job.

DavisB

"never harrased any women" -that is such a lie - you have a history of attacking, mostly educators and many of them women - take a look at your personal and twisted attacks on board members like Denise and Beth - you have gone so far from civility that you don't realize the pain you cause

Virginia SGP

DavisB, never harassed any women. I have criticized public officials of all types from SB members to Commonwealth's Attorneys to judges to Supervisors. That is as American as apple pie. It's pretty sad that officials believe receiving criticism makes them a "victim". It gives a bad name to women in particular as I show my daughter their pathetic statements and tell her to never act like an inferior who needs protection from criticism.

Gender has no consideration in public office. And because of the disastrous leadership, I repeat my request for the SB to replace the (male) Supt Williams with successful leaders in (former Fairfax Supt) Karen Garza or (former LCPS Asst Supt) Cynthia Ambrose at any cost. It will save us $100Ms in the long run and save our children's education.

Voltaire

Lawman--and who gave you this "magical" awe-inspiring power to make these broad decrees?

workhardgetahead

Yea, we'll start with you.

Chris McHale

Bob - Is your solution to spend tax money on another statue? I've always liked you until this post.

RandomName2019

This is why you lost your last election. You're out of touch.

David Dickinson

What the Democrat Party put up, the Democrat Party taketh down.

KK153

"History proves the Civil War was fought because Confederate states wanted the right to own human beings."

1. Corwin Amendment to the Constitution

2. Lincolns first inaugural address

3. Lincons letter to Horace Greeley

4. Virginias letter of succession

5. Emancipation Proclamation ...how many states kept their slaves after? Where? Why?

read these 5 simple texts and then get back to me on what history proves

amerigirl

Didn't you try this same thing before and get shot down?

Bye Don 2020

If these people want to persist in celebrating their traitorous ancestors, you can't really stop them. It is, no thanks to their forebears, a free country. I would make them pay to transport the statue or else begin fining them for not coming to get what they acknowledge is their property. The laws governing what can be left on the Courthouse grounds have changed. Welcome to 2020 UDC ladies...

Voltaire

Bye Don 2020--how do you know? Those people's ancestors may have participated in the Revolutionary War on the American side. There will probably be a contractual arrangement between the County of Loudoun and this organization that will clearly spell out all applicable regulations and rules regarding property transfer and relocation. BTW, since this organization was the one that originated the statue it makes perfectly logical sense for it to be given back to them.

amerigirl

No there isn't any contract. It was designed by F.S. Sievers, and dedicated to the courthouse in 1908.Just like so many other statues donated by confederate sponsored groups meant to intimidate those seeking justice while being black. Bland County Courthouse, Botetourt County Courthouse, Buchanan County courthouse, Carroll county’s Hillsville: Courthouse, Floyd county Courthouse Common Soldier, Lebanon County Courthouse Common Soldier, Salem County Courthouse Monument, Smyth County’s Marion: Courthouse Common Soldier, Tazewell: Courthouse Common Soldier, and the Abingdon Courthouse Common Soldier, in Washington County.

Voltaire

AG--unless the county government is going to move the statue using government workers/resources to the new location, there has to be a contractual relationship established between the County and the recipients. There has to be one that spells out the applicable regulations, rules, and rights of the parties regarding property transfer and relocation. Those rules are probably spelled out the County's administrative/procurement regulations.

Lawman

George Soros has already provided the Sons of Those Enslaved By Confederate Traitors money to pay the good taxpayers of Loudoun County for this statue so that we may toss it by catapult into the Potomac River. That event will be televised!!

Accountability

Calm down, Al

Voltaire

Lawman--guess you better get on the horn ASAP with George Soros and see if he can send down his Wall Street lawyers to do something about this post haste. It don't look too promising that you going to get your wish. Too bad! By the way Jim Justice, the Governor of West Virginia sends his warmest regards.

Lawman

Tell that fool in West Virginia once we clean these confederate participation trophies out of here, we coming over to just clean up that State.

scottva

Will that include everything related to Robert Byrd or does he get a pass because he was one of you?

Voltaire

scottva--no, the people of the State of West Virginia did everything related to Robert Byrd because he was an excellent Senator who honorably represented the State of West Virginia. They, not you or Lawman, will make the determination if they want to remove those references. Good grief.

Voltaire

Lawman--I think the State of West Virginia is more than fine without your patronage. You should just stay here and cause all the pandemonium that you want.

workhardgetahead

Starting with your boy Robert Byrd (D) West Virginia. Hillary's mentor

Voltaire

Workhardgetahead--again, it will be the people of the State of West Virginia that will make that determination as to what to do with Robert Byrd. He was an excellent Senator and represented the State of West Virginia with honor for 50 years and deserves ALL the accolades that he got. That is historical fact in there is NOTHING that anyone on this site can say that will change that perception.

amerigirl

scott, Byrd changed his way and apologized. If he had never changed then it would include him too. But I believe you have had this same discussion before. Nothing changed since then.

Voltaire

Lawman--sure you are. I think you might be a tad busy in this area first. BTW, Jim Justice is a billionaire so he isn't stupid or foolish.

Lawman

Workhardhead put it in my backyard so I can practice on it with my AK-47, BAR and M-14.

Voltaire

Lawman--I am sure the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives would love to know about your "arms collection". Maybe you can show them before they take you into custody.

Accountability

A B.A.R. is rare enough that Lawman would be pretty easy to figure out in real life.

workhardgetahead

Lawman, Workhardhead theeeese.

amerigirl

Volt, he may have a few acres for a backyard. Account; why do you want to know where he lives, are you a stalker or something? You see his arsenal why would you go there?

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Voltaire

Workhardgetahead---we could get that televised!!!!! Make it pay-per-view and make the County some revenue.

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