Gov. Ralph Northam (D) is delaying Virginia from entering the third phase of the commonwealth's reopening plan for at least another week.

On Thursday, the governor shared the details of "Phase 3" during his COVID-19 report while visiting Fairfax County. The region entered phase two of the commonwealth's reopening plan last weekend.

Northam encouraged Virginians to continue practice social distancing guidelines, telework and following the state requirement of wearing a face mask while in indoor public places.

“We are not moving to ‘Phase 3’ yet,” Northam said. “Our health data is positive. We are also monitoring other states. We're going to be cautious and careful and watch the data a little while longer before we move forward.”

Under the "Phase 3" guidelines, he said social gatherings will include up 250 people, child care facilities will be open, and the cap will be lifted for nonessential businesses, restaurants and beverage services.

Entertainment venues such as museums, zoos and other outdoor venues will be allowed to open at 50 percent capacity (up to 1,000 people). Gyms, fitness centers and swimming pools may open to 75 percent capacity.

Personal grooming services such as hair salons will still have to follow social distancing guidelines. Overnight summer camps will remain closed.

Northam said the coronavirus has hit the Latino community especially hard, making up 45 percent of the cases, according to VDH. He shared several initiatives and partnerships to address the health needs of the Latino community and other minority groups. Fairfax County has a high Latino population, part of the reason Northam held his briefing there Thursday.

Loudoun County as of Thursday had seen 115 new cases of COVID-19 since Sunday, with 11 new related deaths reported, according to the Virginia Department of Health.

Local percent positivity in testing dropped from 12 percent to 10.7 for as of June 16, the most recent day data was available.

Loudoun County had 82 deaths related to the virus as of Thursday, 3,499 cases and 228 hospitalizations.

While the percent positivity in testing is dropping, State Del. David Reid (D-32nd) said recently this is the time to begin planning for a second wave of coronavirus cases. Reid represents constituents across Lansdowne, Ashburn and Broadlands.

“The approach we took in the first wave – a complete shutdown of the state – is not going to be the right answer for the second wave,” Reid said in his letter.

Statewide, as of Thursday, the commonwealth had seen 1,732 new cases and 40 new deaths since Sunday. Virginia had seen 1,586 deaths altogether since the outbreak began, 56,238 confirmed cases and 5,744 hospitalizations.

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Thebroof

If we banned democrats from owning guns, and going out in public, gun violence and new virus cases would drop 90%

amerigirl

Is that the republicn school of thought? Typical.

LeesburgFan

Funny how LTM has stop publishing the ages of the deceased in late May......wonder why that is? Doesn't fit their narrative?

LeesburgFan

Good to see a Dem making a public statement and seeing the light: “The approach we took in the first wave – a complete shutdown of the state – is not going to be the right answer for the second wave,” Reid said in his letter. The Northam shut-down has gone on far too long already.

loudouncommonsense

As the commenter giving "a bit of business advice" here's my chops: I not only ran a retail and service business, I created it from scratch, created jobs and I rented my space. Later, I became a commercial landlord with multiple tenants; currently I am a residential landlord. I know just a little about the financial pressures of profit and loss and loans.

AND, lest we think my perspective is limited, I worked for government for 5 years and for the non-for-profit sector for over 10 years before starting my business.

You are entitled to your own opinions, but knee-jerk attacks on someone's "qualifications to comment" cannot stand up to facts and sound moral judgment.

loudouncommonsense

pulse and others: So,the argument goes as follows: because social distancing has apparently worked in Loudoun County, keeping infection/death dates down, it's good to stop it for "business purposes" and let infection rates rise? And who cares about 60+ people dying? What are they worth anyway?

If that's your "policy prescription" its total BS; you should NEVER be in a position to be responsible for other people's lives. And a bit of business advice: run your business with a healthy reserve fund and good relations with your landlord. If you don't, even a simple recession can put you under. Too many owners bleed their businesses of cash, running thin, and overburdened with loans.

Voltaire

LCS--excellent post here. I wouldn't be shocked if you get a lot of "hostile fire" from "dam the torpedoes, open the economy" crowd. [thumbup]

Loudoun4Trump

says the guy who never ran a business.....why don't you try to run a business instead of government work… we know why, you don't have the creativity, business acumen, any idea on how to help or contribute to the community....you prefer to opine instead of actually doing something...

Voltaire

L4T--How do you know that LCS is a government worker? As an active private money manager in global markets, his business advice is correct. There are business owners who followed LCS's advice and they are still here and are thriving. They did this by innovation and being responsible with their funding. Why should I or any other investor want invest in companies that are (a) over leveraged and (b) cannot effectively run a balance sheet? Personally, I would rather short those enterprises and allow the market to force them into bankruptcy. BTW, I can opine and manage money at the same time, it is called multi-tasking.

Loudoun4Trump

why did taxpayers have to fund Obama's solyndra and all the green companies that went belly up, did they not have the financial backing....we are talking small businesses here and when the government shuts you down you cant make money....no investor could have predicted that....I would rather support local small businesses that have been forced to shut down by governor edict than fund green companies that go belly up on my tax dime....and the one thing you are correct on is that it was andrew johnson that took over for abe....andrew jackson the democrat led the trai lof tears killing al lthe indians in the 1830s....Lincoln would be a Trump republlcan, very much on the cutting edge of his time....and how can you predict Trump will not win.....oh yeah, you said Hillary would win too so your not much of a voice for saying who will win in 2020....Trump will win and if not, no big deal with me....everyone will lose!

Voltaire

L4T—you are completely wrong. First, nobody is talking about Obama's funding solyndra and all the green companies that went belly up. I didn’t agree with that either BTW. I don’t really care if you are talking about small business concerns or multinational corporations, you have to anticipate scenarios like natural disasters, and you should have sufficient Free Cash Flow to cover your business during that time. Explain to me why there are small businesses that took the Government’s supplemental funding (the PPP) and are still here? They were impacted by the Government’s order just like other businesses. The answer is that some small business owners properly managed their funding/resources and developed new ways to continue to make money. They didn’t max overleverage. That is the difference. Personally, if you cannot manage your business and be forward thinking, you should go BANKRUPT. That is how the market/capitalism works and it doesn’t give a hoot whether the people like it or not. I can make tons of money shorting those enterprises. That is the difference. BTW, the Governor does not issue “edicts” as those are issued by a monarch or by a Royal Governor who reports to the Crown. I have never said that “Hillary would win” so stop lying. BTW, I won’t lose as I can always short the stock market and invest elsewhere in the globe and make money too.

amerigirl

L4T [offtopic]

amerigirl

Are you some kind of know it all and you know what people have done and not done? Listen to you, just what productive thing have you done that makes you such an authority?

Fiscalconservative

Northram recommends social distancing, what about all the protests where there was not any social distancing? What a joke this is.

amerigirl

But you have people that post here that are going to trumps rally, indoor, and then returning and you don't worry about that? Social distancing is a recommendation whenever possible, that is how it is worded. The protest are outdoors, it is much easier to catch indoors. Northam also mandates masks for inside businesses but people don't follow that right? Look at the number of trump sheep here that have said they wouldn't wear a mask. Your priorities seem misplaced.

Loudoun4Trump

I worry more about the thousands of anarchists congregating in the 1000s and no one says anything about social distancing....its only when you want to send your kids to school or go to a Trump rally, then oh my god, you don't care about others....the double standard could not be more clear...

Voltaire

L4T--how can you prove that everyone "congregating in the 1000s" are "anarchists? The answer is that you cannot so the statement is conjecture, at best. There is a difference between peaceful protester and an anarchist.

amerigirl

You have very misplaced worries. The peaceful protesters are not anarchists and have gotten legal permits to there be. What you should worry about is the ult-right vigilante anti-protesters with no permits and lots of weapons thinking they are in charge. Which sounds more dangerous to you? Go to your indoor rally and don't wear a mask like your impeached president, just don’t bring it back with you. If you are smart you will quarantine for 4-5 (told this was the standard incubation period) days then get tested. That is what I did after the protest. No point infecting people you care about.

LetsBreal

BS. The rally was one place in the country. Not too many people are traveling to Tulsa for a rally. Meanwhile, we have ANTIFA, BLM and the DNC burning down buildings, looting and beating up people all over the country. That's a big surface area all over the place.

Outdoors vs. indoors? You'll believe anything to justify your moronic position. I've been in several stores and seen less than one in a dozen not wearing masks. Meanwhile, we have protestors wearing bandanas and fist pumping in clusters. Stop the nonsense.

amerigirl

Sure the this rally was one place, the next will be somewhere else. INDOORS, and listen to the experts they have put out enough warning about the spread being more rampant indoors, why do you think they want people to wear masks inside businesses? Protesters are outside and wearing masks and fist pumping can't hurt you. None of those groups are burning anything, those are rioters. Did you complain when they rioted at University of MD just over a sports game? You just keep believing everything the proven liar president says that way you don't have to think on your own.

LoudounPulse

If you get Covid19, your odds of dying is 2% and that only applies to those over age 50. Nobody in the county under age 50 has died.

Stop holding the county hostage to a virus that only kills 2% of the old. If you are young and healthy, enjoy life. If you are over 50 and have medical issues, stay home and shelter in place until the coast is clear.

amerigirl

well isn't that special. What is your problem with containing it and getting it under control? If everyone had listened from the beginning we could have been past this by now. Some people just refused to wear masks and insisted on spreading it.

Loudoun4Trump

people did listen to Cuomo who was sending covid positive patients into nursing homes...and killed thousands of seniors....I guess Cuomo doesnt care, personally it was incompetence not that he didnt care, same result for 1,000s of seniors....let that sink in.

Voltaire

L4T--apparently, based upon New York press reports, Cuomo was following CDC and White House direction when the order was given to send recovering COVID-19 patients back into nursing homes. How do you know what Governor Andrew Cuomo feels or not? Does he call you and tells you? No. Again, this is conjecture. BTW, Andrew Cuomo has strong approval rating in New York over his handling of the COVID-19 so let that sink in.

amerigirl

Let this sink in. In Vermont, which has a very liberal state with a republican governor, there is hardly any coronavirus. According to Gov. Phil Scott, the states success was quickly declaring a state of emergence, shutting down businesses and schools. Shutting down restaurants and bars before St. Patricks day, sheltering homeless people in hotels and requiring people returning to the state to quarantine for 2 weeks. People were asked to wear masks, but it wasn't mandatory but the people complied. They contained it and it didn't spread to urban areas of the state.

amerigirl

Oh and BTW my odds of dying are a whole lot higher than that, but you don't really care much about other people.

ExitRamp

@LoudounPulse

---->"Nobody in the county under age 50 has died."

But what about outside the county? Or do you believe that contagion understands county lines?

Nobody in your family is over 50? You don't know anybody over 50? Got it.

amerigirl

You make it sound like being 50 is old, NOT can't even collect social security until 66. Do you know the ages of those 11 people that died this week?

Lawman

Gonna get worse, but the only religion in this Country is money. Money eventually wins over everything. Enjoy your elderly parents and grandparents because a lot of them will not be here next year. That’s America.

Virginia SGP

Were you hoping for Cuba where folks get to live a month longer on average but live with dirt floors?

Voltaire

Lawman--concerning your post about "Money rules the world", to quote SGT Rick Hunter from the TV Show "Hunter"---"works for me."

Lawman

I am a stone to the bone capitalist myself. Best part is when you make money and make ignorant white people off at the same time. Got to love this Country. But don’t act like we are some compassionate Christian country. White folks been showing their compassion in the America’s since 1492. Just ask the Native Americans.

Loudoun4Trump

So much for flattening the curve...the whole purpose of the lockdowns....now it is lockdown until you vote for someone else other than TRUMP....you fools voted for the wrong person in 2016 now you must suffer at the leftists wishes....comrades, when will you figure out you have been played like a fool.....look forward to heading to the massive rally for trump in OK tomorrow....should be around a million if us out there....

loudouncommonsense

The current Fox News Poll (yes FOX); Trump's disapproval rating is 55%! So yes, people voted for the wrong person for president in 2016.

They are going to correct that error in November 2020. The would-be emperor has no clothes and no lasting accomplishments to run on (and nobody really likes him anyway). Sad.

Borninloudoun

You’re in for.a rude awakening if you think crazy Joe will win!

loudouncommonsense

yada, yada......; another wishful fantasy. Put up some numbers to support your "thinking."

amerigirl

No you are in for a rude awakening. and I'm not even a big Biden fan.

Voltaire

Borninloudoun--I think that there is still a lot of campaigning left before anyone knows the REAL outcome. It is pretty sad that Joe Biden is on YouTube practically begging for anyone to sign up for his cause. But, Trump isn't helping himself either so we will see.

Countyrez

Arrogance, anger and ignorance is a terrible combination. Keep drinking the kool aid and keep relying on your "expert" polls loudoun-nonsense. How did that work out for you in 2016?

A model that has correctly predicted the winner of every U.S. presidential race since Ronald Reagan in 1980 is forecasting a big victory for Hillary Clinton.

Clinton is expected to get 332 electoral votes, while Trump is predicted to get just 206, according to the Moody's Analytics model, which is based on three economic and three political factors.

amerigirl

Big difference between then and now, like his job with the virus, the marches, and all his past sins like putting kids in cages.

Loudoun4Trump

the 2016 results proves his point.....Trump was down to crooked Hillary bty the same amount at this time in 2016.....he wound up winning and democrats have spent the last 4 years making things up to try to get rid of him......not going to happen....dont care how many statues you tear down....I think more people prefer capitalism over communism any day....and with the bad taste gov. koonman is leaving in peoples mouth I wouldn't be surprised if VA is at ;least close this year. leftists own this state since they all work for the state....

loudouncommonsense

communism is not up for a vote; your persistence in falsely labeling democratic & progressive ideas that way leads to the conclusion that you are a tool of propaganda. You may want to read up a bit on the topic instead of repeating tired and baseless tropes.

BTW: The most predictive polling is the favorable vs. unfavorable measure. Hillary had very high unfavorables, and the proof was in the election. As stated, Trump is in Hillary's position with unfavorable rating far higher than favorable and low job-approval numbers. Look it up. And fight with numbers, not false labels or baseless claims.

Loudoun4Trump

go to chaz and tell me what government they have....communism is what leftists are trying to bring to the US, if you dont see it, you should probably brush up on some history books.....propaganda tool? Please that is reserved for the MSDNCs, WaPo, NYT, and other fossil media outlets that loves the globalist socialism/communism form of governance.....the kids in cages picture was from the Obama years....see the mainstream propoganda works on foolish people...

amerigirl

L4T, Do we need to forgive you for your ignorance about the difference between Communism and democracy? Sounds like you need to brush up on history. What we have in this country is people like the American far-right extremist Boogaloo boys that want a civil war and kill the cops and anyone they deem a threat. Prosecutors in Texas got one of them denied bond because Facebook and Instagram posts showing the violence against National Guard members and threats to kill people, they thought it was appropriate to kill. California, Texas, Nevada, and Colorado are taking action against them because their arrests are accompanied with weapons and explosives. A former FBI agent, Clint Walker, who studies extremist activity said “The numbers are overwhelming; Most f the violence is coming from the Extreme right wing. “Another Boog, Steven Carrillo killed an active-duty Air Force staff sergeant at a federal courthouse last month and wrote the word “Boog” in blood on the car he stole. You are looking at the wrong threat, not where the real danger is.

AshWilliams

Wow - are you really attending the rally? May I ask if you are flying or driving? I’d be interested in reading your opinion of the safety precautions afterwards

ExitRamp

@Ash

I can tell you that people don't wear their masks on planes which is basically like saying "F... Y..."

Seriously, would anyone here want to fly on an enclosed plane with no fresh air grouped tightly with other people breathing and sneezing near you?

And the airlines do nothing. Why should they as long as they get their benjamins. They had this figured out long ago - they don't care about you.

Voltaire

ER--I agree with you. The airlines never cared about you. They only cared about people filling up planes to fill occupancy rates so that they could make a profit to cover their share buybacks so that their executives get wealthy.

LeesburgFan

Correct me if I'm wrong......but I believe several if not most airlines are requiring face masks and seating distancing. Exit Ramp and Voltaire - executives getting wealthy?? Uhmmm, their business model is transportation around the country and world. Since the Wright Brothers, this requires a fuselage and cabin that can hold only so many people. Why are you dishing the airlines? Sounds like you have some pent up bias.....They cannot afford for their Captains and Flight Attendants to get COVID, so there is a common goal to reduce spread on the plane.

amerigirl

I think American Airlines did the right thing throwing the guy off the plane who took off his mask after he got on. Policy is policy and other passengers could have chosen that airline because of it's policy. My son had to take 2 flights while relocating residences and he made a point of telling them that he has 2 conditions that made him vulnerable and that was why he chose their flights and both of them assured they would make sure that their policies were met. One of them had to tell 4 people to put their masks back on or leave the flight. On person was told if they took their mask off again they would be banned from that airline. It is wrong to try to prove that you don't have to do something that is policy and endanger others.

Voltaire

LeesburgFan--I stand behind my comment. Yes, the airline industry has not been well run for years. Over the past decade, major airlines — including Delta Airlines, United Airlines, and Southwest — have used roughly 96% of their cash flow on stock buybacks, according to Bloomberg. By reducing share count, these repurchases have pushed stock prices higher. In the process, they've drawn criticism for how they've boosted shareholder returns without directly helping businesses.

LeesburgFan

Voltaire - I really question your stat about 96% of cash flow has been used for stock buybacks. I can't fathom that to be correct. Bottom line, stock buybacks are part of a capitalistic society. The company recognizes who the owners of the company are, and the reason they are even in business. They are not non-profit corporations.

Voltaire

LeesburgFan—you can question it all you like however that data is being reported out of several different credible financial news sources such as Bloomberg Financial News. As reported in MarketWatch, another credible financial site “…As a group the six airlines spent 96% of their free cash flow on stock buybacks over the past 10 full years through 2019.” That data is supported by Wall Street's view of the airline industry as poorly run. As someone who lives every day in the world of Wall Street/money management, I am well aware of the role of stock buybacks thanks and don’t need a lecture on it. However, when your company is operating with a negative free cash flow (FCF), such as American Airlines, doing stock buybacks makes no sense as you should try to use that funding to shore up your enterprise. Why should the Amercian taxpayer bail out these airlines when they were not managing their FCF? They should go BANKRUPT. That is what capitalism does to mismanaged companies, it lets them fail and that is what should happen here.

amerigirl

LeesburgFan, Oh yeah, but being required and enforced were two different things altogether.You are required to wear a mask inside places of businesses here, but walk into any store and look around you. But Airlines for America, the carriers' industry group, have announced they intended to more strictly enforce mask wearing aboard their planes, including potentially banning passengers who refuse to wear a mask. Delta is now enforcing it throughout the entire flight. Just 2 days ago United said if you refuse to wear a face mask starting June 18, you could find yourself on a restricted travel list. Six other major US airlines, including American Airlines and Southwest Airlines, pledged to roll out new policies requiring masks, also enforced with a penalty as severe as a ban on flying with that particular airline. As far as seating distances the only one that is guaranteeing it is United, Delta and American. Most of them have just gone into or are abut to go into effect.

LeesburgFan

Voltaire - turns out you are indeed cherry-picking the 96% free cash flow number. If you limited your comment to American Airlines, then you'd be on target. No other airline had more than 80% FCF used for stock buybacks (United), with other airlines being much closer or even below the S&P 500 norm of 52% FCF used for stock buybacks (Delta 50%, Alaska Airlines 33%). On a side note, sorry if I "lectured" you about a subject you are a so-called expert in, was I supposed to know your occupation (prior to today?)

As for stimulus money going to airlines, I'm not a big fan either, but name me ONE company, let alone an airline, that could have foreseen a 100-year pandemic that so crushed the industry. Outside of American Airlines, most of them were not excessively leveraged (poorly managed is your description). Congress put in rules that they can't use the stimulus funds for stock buybacks (no-brainer), puts limits on executive pay, and 30% of the funds are loans and must be re-paid, along with Uncle Sam receiving some stock in the airlines. In conclusion, your demand to let the airlines GO BANKRUPT is way too extreme given the Wuhan-virus disruption.

Voltaire

LeesburgFan—no, you are wrong. There is a chart in the article on the MarketWatch website that shows that, for the total airline industry, the number is 96%. So, I am not “cherry picking” the number as I was referring to the industry as a whole. Your numbers are correct for individual airlines. The pandemic makes a convenient excuse but it is not the problem for airlines it is how they operate. You want a company that is managing itself during the pandemic, how about Apple Co., Microsoft Corporation, and even though oil prices are in a flux recently Chevron Corporation to name a few. Chevron is a good example in that it is influenced by a commodity (oil) and geopolitical challenges (OPEC, Russia, Saudi Arabia) yet they were able to pay out dividends when the oil price was plunging. How? They did it through the PROPER management of their resources. The airlines, as I have stated, do not properly manage their resources. If you have a financially strong enterprise, then, yes, you should do buybacks and raise dividends to ensure that shareholders can participate in the profits. But, as in the case of airlines, which are a cyclical industry, they should have used that money to instead stabilize/maintain their businesses. Why should the Government reward bad behavior? That is exactly what you are doing by bailing out the airlines. This problem has been going on for over a decade and now, because of the pandemic, the Government is going to allow this industry to continue its bad behavior. Why? Because the Government foolishly believes that, by providing funding, that the airlines won’t do what is required which is to fire personnel. Well, that’s wrong because United Airlines has basically told anyone and everyone who will listen that they will fire personnel once the prohibition stipulated in the Government’s loans expires in September. They should go BANKRUPT. That is what capitalism does to mismanaged companies, it lets them fail and that is what should happen here. BTW, I don’t have any short positions in airlines but am strongly looking at it because I can probably make a killing.

ExitRamp

@LF

--->Correct me if I'm wrong......but I believe several if not most airlines are requiring face masks and seating distancing

A recent traveler (this week) noticed that a number of people simply pulled their masks down. When he deplaned, he went to the airlines desk to complain and they simply told him it's not their job to enforce it. Even though guidelines had been put in place, their stance was to not be the mask police. Also not all airlines were following the recommended seating arrangements but instead chose to max out on passengers as much as possible. From what AG tells us there are recent new guidelines that the airlines will be using to enforce the use of masks so I guess they are getting pressured.

---> Since the Wright Brothers, this requires a fuselage and cabin that can hold only so many people.

Which is why they decided that charging outrageous prices for checked luggage we such a good idea. The airlines profited billions of dollars (with a 'B') in excess fees. This was after seating space was reduced to a minimum.

Let's also not forget how the airlines treated customers who travel plans were interrupted because of coronavirus. Rather than refund monies for canceled flights, they offered a voucher to be used within a year's time instead. Since most people wanted a refund, the airlines then instituted a policy that a refund was only available for flights the airlines canceled in an attempt to force people to accept a voucher. Let's not forget a voucher is no good if the airlines goes bankrupt.

---> Why should the Amercian taxpayer bail out these airlines when they were not managing their FCF? They should go BANKRUPT

I agree with Voltaire here. The airlines should be allowed to fail. There will be new corporations to take their place.

--->Why are you dishing the airlines?

Do you really not know? Overbooking. Passengers getting pulled off the plane. Delayed and canceled flights with no compensation. Having to pay ridiculous fees to change a reservation. Overcharging for luggage. Being packed in like sardines. The list goes on...I guess you don't fly very much.

ChocolateDinosaur

Hopefully a lot more than that! Safe travels!

amerigirl

Only if you make it political. Stop listen to yourself, this is about people's lives and unfortunately 11 deaths in the last 4 days and you think it's about trump? If you go to the rally, please wear a mask and fake signing that coronavirus waiver. The stupidest thing I have heard of is that Pense is going too, why would you have the president and VP at an event where they are predicting a viral spread? Other than that, hav fun.

Countyrez

We have been told that decision must be data driven, if that is indeed the case, the data shows Phase 3 should happen now. All trends are moving in positive directions as the post below points out as well. The Governor has no legitimate excuse.

amerigirl

If the decision is data driven and we have had that many new cases and deaths in only 4 days we are not ready to open. It is moving in a negative direction. What do you want him to do with this new data?

Something killed 11 people in Loudoun this week and it's only Friday. And yet, there are those who want us to believe there's no reason we're not back to normal and opening everything up. Mask not what your country can do for you, Mask what you can do for your country...

springerdad

The fact is we continue to focus on the wrong things. We know who are the most vulnerable and yet we continue to aim resources elsewhere.

I hope the leaders in Virginia (since nothing is coming from the feds) Figure out a way to protect the people at higher risk while allowing the other 99% of the people to get on with their lives.

amerigirl

How would you do that? If 40% of the population has an underlying condition how do we know who is going to get a wicked case of it? What would you do with the people at high risk that have jobs? They can't collect unemployment if their business is open. Suggestions?

Virginia SGP

Is "Money grows on trees Amerigirl" seriously suggesting we have never-ending unemployment now that she doesn't have to pay back the US debt?

springerdad

AG - I suggest you don't attend protests in D.C.

amerigirl

I would suggest figuring out a way that those who can't work would get compensation, but go ahead and be your nasty self SG. You don't think I worry about my kids and grand kids with the way trump is raising the debt and has been since he was in office? You might only think about yourself but other people aren't you.

amerigirl

Springer, at least protests are outside, better start thinking about trump rallies.

Voltaire

Virginia SGP--from a basic economic perspective, there will never be zero unemployment. The full employment means the cyclical unemployment is zero where the economy is using all the available resources but there frictional and structural unemployment is there in the economy because at any time people are looking for a job and also government and companies are changing laws, rules or location or structure of the market which change unemployments.

springerdad

Prayers for the 11 families. Loudoun is seeing around 20 new cases a day and we are still under 1% of the population being diagnosed as positive.

Here is some more information.

The latest report Thursday shows the 7-day average of new cases both in Northern Virginia and statewide to be relatively flat over the last four days. There were 463 new cases statewide Thursday and 167 cases in Northern Virginia.

Hospitalizations in Northern Virginia fell to a new low in Thursday's report, with 273 patients with COVID-19 or awaiting test results. At its peak April 30, 818 people were hospitalized in Northern Virginia for the virus.

Statewide Hospital Data

Hospitalizations: 857 (down from 938)

Peak Hospitalizations: 1,625 reached May 8

Patients in ICU: 241 (down from 249)

Patients Discharged: 7,493 total

Nursing Home Data

Nursing Home Patients: 1,041 (up from 1,025 the previous day)

Homes reporting difficulty obtaining N95 masks: 6

Homes reporting difficulty obtaining isolation gowns: 4

Voltaire

SD--thank you for providing this information. I agree with your sentiments about the 11 families. As someone who has recently lost a loved one to COVID-19, I totally understand what they are going through and wish them solace and comfort during this trying time. God Bless them.

amerigirl

Okay, I don't understand. If we are averaging 20 cases a day and there were 115 from Sunday to Thursday isn't that almost 29 cases a day? Are we rising, and how can that be flat? If we have had 11 deaths in 3 days isn't that rising? and 28 hospitalizations in 4 days is that rising? If we hit peak hospitalizations on May 8th why are the numbers much higher after that date? Our highest amount of hospitalizations were on 5/13, 5/20, 6/3, 6/10,6/17, & 6/18 which is after the peak time. Why don't new cases count? or new deaths? just hospitals and nursing homes? please explain the data for me.

springerdad

AG - I am sorry I don't have the will to explain it to you. Your only goal here is to argue everything. You have worn me out.

You claim to be an expert on everything else but this befuddles you because it does not fit your agenda..

amerigirl

I have never claimed to be an expert, which is why I look things up and ask questions. But I guess you don't have the time to explain what and how the rolling things works I'll find out else where. I just don't understand how going up can be flat or even what it means. But you don't have the time so fine, don't bother.

LeesburgFan

I understand Springer's sentiments, but since I've taken a break from LTM comments, I will inform amerigirl once again. THE GOAL IS NOT to get to zero new cases. You are living in FANTASY WORLD if you think that will happen. There is a virus among us. The elderly and those with underlying disease (and their families) must take the greatest precautions. There is an average of 26.5 new cases in Loudoun the past 6 days. There have been 28 new hospitalizations the past 8 days. Hardly overwhelming our two Loudoun Hospitals. And 20 deaths in the past 24 days. Again, hardly a "crisis" in a County of 400,000 people, and no reason for there to be a continued "state of emergency" as declared by Northam.

Voltaire

LeesburgFan--I don't believe that anyone is disputing the argument that the virus is among us. As someone who lost a loved one to it, I am well versed in understanding that premise. However, since the Governor of Virginia and his State Health Commissioner declared a public health emergency, it covers the entire Commonwealth, not just Loudoun County. The decision to rescind that public health emergency is the responsibility of the Governor and his State Public Health Commissioner. They will rescind the public health emergency when COVID-19 is sufficiently contained based upon data. For example, I believe that Dr. Oliver, the State Health Commissioner is getting his data for this area from the Loudoun County Department of Health. Until COVID-19 is mitigated, there is sufficient reason for a continuation of the public health emergency to be in effect.

amerigirl

Lees, let me inform you I never said it was, though that would be great. I have said and will say that it is to contain the cases. Look at how well Vermont did. So, you say I said something I didn’t even say and then you say I live in a fantasy world for something you lied about? It isn’t just about the hospitals; it is about containment. Like I said, look at Vermont. Very sad that you don’t think those deaths were a crisis. The sudden jump in the stats in just 1 week are what prompted him to take the precautions of extending Phase 2. If the rise doesn’t continue then you won’t have any worries. Deal with it.

LeesburgFan

amerigirl - you are spinning from your original comment that asked springer if the numbers were rising? Please read your comments again. I explained to you that yes there will be ups and downs of the numbers, and that ZERO is not realistic. You then proclaim me to be lying about what you said......hello...you did NOT once mention (or even imply) the word "containment" to springer. So glad to have a nice balanced conversation with you.....NOT.

amerigirl

Lfan, did you read your comment? It had nothing to do with what I wrote to springer. As I said, I do not understand the flat thing, how can it be up and not up, but flat. I really just don’t know how it works and you are attacking me. NOWHERE did you say there would be ups and downs, which wasn’t what I was asking about anyway. Read your own post, you only said that ZERO is not realistic. You obviously didn’t read the comment right. Did I say we could hit zero? No. What I wanted to know is how his data works if it says we are flat but the numbers are rising. Why would I mention containment? It was not a statement of what was going on it was a question as to how he figured out it was flat, and where he got his data. It wasn’t to question his accounting on the data. I thought it would be a good site to use, for me, nothing else. AND. You WERE NOT in the conversation to begin with, maybe that’s why it’s not balanced. You just butted in with comments about thing that weren’t even there and tried to make yourself the arbitrator of something that didn’t exist.

springerdad

AG - I am sure you are a nice person and a great grandmother but when you are posting on LTM you argue every post you don't agree with and defend every post that remotely holds your point of view. You twist your own prior comments just to try an make a point.

Your insistence to dominate every article has made it impossible to enjoy posting here.

This comment section has become even worse the the Washington Post.

Time for a break.

amerigirl

Springer. Maybe I should have said future grandkids. Isn’t that the point of a comment section to comment? What have I twisted? People have said I have said things I never said, and most of the things I comment on are directed to me using my name. If my comments wear you out, don’t read them. As for people like you claiming that I claim I’m an expert, for god’s sake, your sitting at a computer commenting, how hard is it to look up things that you don’t think are right. I’m no expert, but I want truth and I won’t just take someone’s word for something. There is a vast amount of information on the internet.

But for you to tell me what I should or shouldn’t do is being a bit overbearing. In reply to your time for a break, sorry no.

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