Coronavirus II

Loudoun County reported two new COVID-19-related deaths Tuesday, bringing the county's coronavirus death toll to 108, according to the Virginia Department of Health. Tuesday's reported deaths were the first since July 21, when the county reported three.

Seventy-eight of the local deaths have come among victims age 80 or older; 18 were between the ages of 70 and 79; seven were between 60 and 69; three were between 50 and 59; and one was between 40 and 49. The age range for one of the deceased was not reported.

Loudoun reported 25 new COVID-19 cases Tuesday and 95 new cases on Monday. From July 21 through the 28, the county saw 244 new cases, an average of nearly 35 a day. Loudoun is approaching 5,000 confirmed COVID-19 cases since the pandemic began, with the total currently standing at 4,939.

The county reported one new COVID-19-related hospitalization in Tuesday's figures and two on Monday. Overall, there have been 328 hospitalizations related to the virus.

The seven-day rolling average for percent positivitity in local testing was 6.1 percent as of July 24, the last date for which data was available. That percentage was down from 7.2 one week earlier.

Statewide, the commonwealth saw more than 1,500 new cases Monday, the second-highest daily figure since the pandemic began. That was followed up with 922 new cases Tuesday.

The commonwealth reported 13 new deaths Tuesday and four new deaths Monday. The statewide death toll is 2,095 since COVID-19 began ravaging the nation's physical, mental and economic health.

Virginia's seven-day average in percent positivity for testing was 7.2 percent on July 24.

Gov. Ralph Northam (D) says they are watching the COVID-19 numbers closely, and his administration may consider further restrictions if conditions don't improve.

“We will be watching the public health data closely over the weekend — if the numbers don’t come down, we may have to take additional steps to blunt the spread of this virus. Wear a mask and practice physical distancing so we don’t have to move back,” Northam posted to his Facebook and Twitter accounts over the weekend.

Northam is holding a press conference on the pandemic Tuesday.

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loudouncommonsense

If voltaire reads my posts carefully he'll find that I criticize statements and name calling, not people.

But his last post is, uh.... geez, it's hard to find the right words so I'll just quote exactly: "I will take my family’s aristocratic heritage and values over ["commoner"] people like you any day. "

We still have aristocrats lording over common folk, maybe serfs too? Oh boy.....a new biz development slogan: " Progressive Loudoun County: Meeting the critical needs of the 18th century"

Voltaire

LCS--maybe you need to read my statements carefully. Did I say anything about my family's aristocratic background being in Loudoun County? No, that is your "conclusion" and that would be wrong. You don't know where my family lives. As to your "noble" statement about criticizing name calling, no you don't, and that is hypocritical. There was a post on this site where two people were "name calling" and were accusing each other of stalking one another. Where were you, "white knight"? Nowhere to be found. If you want to play internet constable, go at it but at least be consistent and you are FAR from it.

loudouncommonsense

as I said, my comment about name calling applies to all and its been posted numerous times before. I never said your family is in Loudoun... so you are wrong again. I just said you're a commoner in the US. and will add that your statement about family is supercilious. Statements like you made are assumed to be relevant to Loudoun because they appear in,...guess what? LTM!

Voltaire

LCS--yeah right. If your "comment" about name calling applies to all, then why haven't you responded to several different posters today who are engaging in that behavior which you detest? There have been multiple incidents of this behavior (by other posters besides me) on multiple articles. No response from you calling them out. Further, in one instance, you were found in multiple times in that comment section and didn't tell them to stop name calling and "being boorish". That is clearly inconsistent and makes you a hypocrite. As for my family comments, I don't give a toss of what you "value" those statements.

loudouncommonsense

my feelings are well known, I don't have to beat the drum every time. You voltaire have been particularly trigger happy in the dept of making things personal: and hypocrite? you can't decide whether I'm an elitist or a commoner. You laughably tried to assume the mantle of an aristocratic experience. You've made mistakes in logic and consistency. Finally, you said you weren't going to comment further in this thread.....and of course, like a person who sniffs about honor and integrity, contradicted yourself and kept on bloviating. So there's nothing particularly special or noteworthy from your aristocratic spillage.....

Voltaire

LCS--you wouldn't know a blasted thing about honor, integrity, or decency. Contrary to your own "self-worth", nobody ordained you either judge and jury to decide what is "appropriate" in people's comments. Nobody but your elitist self-centered viewpoint. Get bent, commoner. I am done dealing with the likes of you. As I have said previously, if you represent what the "value set" of this community is about, then I don't any part of it. Utterly disgraceful.

loudouncommonsense

why haven't you stopped posting on this thread? Why do you feel so threatened by someone else judging you comments? We are a diverse community; opinions differ. You seem perpetually incensed as if you are unable to tolerate an upbraiding on personal style and communication. It all shows weakness, not strength. Your stiff upper lip trembles in your posts.

Squaks11

The report, released Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, details an outbreak at a sleep-away camp in Georgia last month in which 260 children and staff — more than three-quarters of those tested — contracted the virus less than a week after spending time together in close quarters. The children had a median age of 12. The camp had required all 597 campers and staff to provide documentation they had tested negative for the virus before coming. Staff were required to wear masks, but children were not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/31/georgia-children-covid-outbreak/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_camp-130p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

loudouncommonsense

Thank you squaks11; I was going to contribute the same quote as there has been much lively discussion on LTM about school reopenings. Those discussions included multiple claims that "children don't die from covid, so open up the schools now."

Today, Fauci was battered a bit on Capitol Hill for his continued cautions on covid. Unfortunately it seems we are in a state of extremely fraught dynamic tension: we need to resume as much activity as possible, but that activity likely will slow our economic progress disproportionately unless we have almost full compliance with social distancing and mask wearing. Is that possible with young children K-6 or K-8?

Voltaire

To those families who lost a loved one, I am very sorry for your loss and hope that you find solace/comfort during your grieving. God Bless You.

loudouncommonsense

Sorry voltaire; if I had simply put those items in a run-on sentence, they would not have been so powerful. On many previous occasions they have been mentioned on these pages in past commentary on political topics (although perhaps not all at once). No one said YOU or any reader here had to have those values; they are the values that are often mentioned by historians, educators and regular people as personal leadership qualities, so no whiff of lecture. I invite you to freely disagree with their desirability in presidential leadership. (I like your ending touch of telling someone to "stuff it." It must be a killer-effective debate rejoinder).

Voltaire

LCS--Look commoner, there is a place for comments like this but it is NOT under a general blanket message of sympathy for people who have died from COVID-19. The total lack of tact, class and respect displayed by you is simply disgraceful. Now, you want to argue these points here, fine, so be it. You, in YOUR post, identified those values/attributes that you believe should be in presidential leadership. Did I disagree with you on those values? No. Actually, I agree with you that most of those values are important to be a leader. However, what I did disagree with you on is you, through the application of words such as "required", trying to imply your value set onto others. People are, under the laws of this country, able to make their own conclusions. It is not proper or appropriate for someone to try to ram down their values onto others. The statement that these values are mentioned by "historians, educators, and regular people as personal leadership qualities" is good to know but does not change the discussion. It is the right of each person to derive what they consider to be leadership values/attributes. I don't disagree at all with their desirability in presidential leadership. I wish more candidates exhibited them. As for the proper use of the British phrase "Get Stuffed". Sometimes it, like the other British Phrase "Get Bent" work quite well and makes the point clear.

loudouncommonsense

Yawn......your harangue is duly noted and noted as off the mark. You should be a pretty busy person, chasing down everyone here who could be seen to be slightly less respectful then you think they should be. Your remarks are pompous and self righteous.

ExitRamp

@Volt

"cockwomble" is classy. But "Bite one" has its own panache.

Voltaire

LCS—your “retort” is likewise duly noted and ignored. You are entitled to your “right” to opine. You still failed to answer my questions but I consider silence to be an answer to those questions. You do not know me so don’t be making asinine assumptions about what “I should be doing”.

Voltaire

ER--Cute. Your opinion is likewise noted and ignored.

loudouncommonsense

voltaire: your words indicate you are pretty self-assured about your wordsmithing, how others should express themselves and your conclusions about other people. You even declared the truism "you don't know me" as if it only applied to you.

Fair enough, except that you don't measure yourself by the same characteristics you measure others. This article is a news article, not a sympathy/ in memoriam piece, giving license to a wide range of commentary. Your protestations are way off-base and high-handed.

Voltaire

LCS—I am so glad that we are now debating linguistics. I stand behind my statements and my knowledge of the proper application of the Queen’s English. Your “analysis” of my statement is wrong. I understand that this article, as a news article, would logically give rise to a wide range of commentary. However, there is NOTHING wrong with showing sympathy and understanding for those families that have lost loved ones due to COVID-19. I lost my dad to COVID-19 on May 26, 2020. Since that time, I have posted this general statement to show sympathy and respect for those families, like mine, who have lost someone. It is totally IMPROPER and shows a complete and utter lack of empathy, tact, or common decency for an individual to try to argue political points under that statement. If you want to argue with me over debate points, then you should have placed your comments under the statement that you want to challenge. No, my protestations are perfectly justified. I don’t give a toss whether you believe that statement to be true or not. Your utter lack of class is simply disgraceful, to say the very least.

loudouncommonsense

Oh my Voltare.....you are quite praiseworthy of your own qualities. Good for you, because I can't find anything to admire in someone who puffs about themselves and castigates others for impropriety for not expressing comments exactly as you think suitable. Reminder: you have no particular standing here...just another random and not particularly special voice.

Voltaire

LCS—maybe you should take a double helping of your own medicine. You aren’t anything special either. Through this exchange, you have clearly demonstrated that you are a liberal, elitist, hypocrite who has no sense of decency or class. If your statements represent the “ideals” and “values” of this community, then I want to leave as they are UTTERLY disgraceful. It is totally IMPROPER to try to engage a political debate/argument by posting a comment under someone’s message whose sole intent is to express sympathy towards those families who, like mine, who lost someone to COVID-19. As I stated, if you want to engage me on a specific statement, then post your comment under that statement. It isn’t that hard to figure out, no? It must be as you continue to do so. As to your assessment of my character, I frankly don’t give a toss if you “admire” me or not. This is America and you are entitled to the right to “opine” as you see fit. Well, the same right applies to me as well. If I believe that someone’s opinion is wrong, it IS within my right to do so. Get bent

loudouncommonsense

in your head, under your skin.....

Voltaire

LCS--Cute phrase "...in your head, under your skin....." Neither apply so dream on. I believe my statement(s) speak for themselves.

loudouncommonsense

as I said....but now, no fun-it's just too easy

Voltaire

LCS--Whatever. Noted and ignored.

loudouncommonsense

oooh..another contradiction. Fish in a barrel.

Voltaire

LCS--my, aren't we witty. Hypocritical twit. It would appear that you have no life at all if you consider sparring with people on this site is your full time engagement. Chatter away, commoner, all you like, as I am done wasting my time debating this topic with you. Good day.

loudouncommonsense

No more? Promise? ...........Excellent! Name calling and invective never did seem to be your forte.

ExitRamp

@Volt

---> "ER--Cute. Your opinion is likewise noted and ignored."

I hope you didn't take my comment personally. That was meant as a playful followup to the sayings "Get Stuffed" and "Get Bent"

I agree with Voltaire's

"If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him".

The same is true for humor (even if it is on the Internet).[smile]

Peace be with you.

Voltaire

LCS--Maybe a refresher in reading comprehension is warranted. I said that I was done debating this particular topic with you. I didn't say that I was done commenting on this site.....

Voltaire

ER--No, I didn't take your comment personally. Unfortunately, your comment got caught up in the testy exchange with another poster. I apologize if I sounded brusque. I appreciated your humor. Peace be with you too.

loudouncommonsense

Commenter here who helped make things testy. There are 2 things sprinkled throughout posts that I will challenge in disagreement: One is the attempt to personalize attacks on the individual, as opposed to the ideas that are presented (phrases such as "you are disgraceful"). The second is name calling or just downright telling people off ("get bent" or "stuff it"). This isn't the British House of Commons, so it might be just the cup of tea if we tempered commentary to neighborly back and forth debate.

I am consistent and have made comments about name calling and invective on many previous occasions. I see no good reason to mimic the seemingly infinite number of internet sites where people just tear into each other with teeth bared and worse-than-barroom language.

If your points are strong, I suspect they'll prevail without resorting to insult or personlization. And, while provocation may make someone feel better, it's often a tool that seems to do more harm than good.

Voltaire

LCS—First, who appointed you as the “decision-maker” who determines what “type” of content gets posted here on this site? Nobody. You are NOT, although you think to the contrary, the moderator of this site. Further, there is evidence showing that there is now at least one self-appointed censor on this site and it doesn’t need another. As to my comments, there is NOTHING wrong with expressing one’s viewpoint, including use personalization attacks, as warranted. Other posters do it as well. If you are going to go after me on this content, then you need to do the same for the others as their comments are similar. You don’t have the right to “dictate” what is considered proper commentary. That is the decision of the individual. No, you have failed on multiple occasions to answer my questions/challenges on the appropriateness of posting political arguments under a general message of sympathy and showing some basic understanding for victims of COVID-19. My message did not challenge ANYONE. It was a simple statement that showed human kindness and understanding to those families who lost someone. Is that wrong? No. However, by attacking that message repeatedly, you successfully demonstrated your lack of compassion and understanding to people who have lost someone to COVID-19. That action alone JUSTIFIED the statement that “you are disgraceful”. Have you lost someone to this disease? I HAVE and it is the right and proper thing to post that message, whether it is a news article or not is immaterial. As I have said before, if you want to challenge me on a viewpoint/argument, then post your comment under the argument in question. It is not right/proper/decent to attempt to start an argument/debate over a simple message of human compassion. Yes, I do understand that this is not the British House of Commons (they have better decorum/respect for each other than this community). It also needs to be reminded that this is a comments section of a local/regional newspaper, not a debate tournament or oral arguments before the Supreme Court. Contrary to your last paragraph, there are no real “formal” rules on what constitutes a “strong argument”. The majority of the opinions expressed on this site are individual’s opinions with emotions included. These issues generate passion and you are dreaming if you think that you are going to rid that to achieve “neighborly back and forth debate.”

loudouncommonsense

name calling and personal derision is still out of place and hostile.

Voltaire

LCS—Again, who gave you the AUTHORITY to make that statement? You self-appointed yourself that job of moderator. You don't get to decide what is "acceptable" speech. You want that you should move to a country where the STATE will be more than glad to tell you what speech is acceptable. Get over it. OK, if you want to “police” the civility of this website, then you should be consistent. You are NOT. In at least two articles online today, there are now at least TWO posters who engaged the same activity that I am being “harassed” about. Yet, you haven’t said zip squat about that, have you? I think it is more than fair to say that hypocrite fits the bill here.

loudouncommonsense

One comment can serve all others of similar nature. I'm quite sure people know rudeness, name calling and insults when they see them. You can go all Webster on how to define something or resort to libertarianism for everyone's right to determine who gets to make the definition but it's irrelevant. Justification of boorishness is no more constructive than the boorish expressions themselves.

Voltaire

LCS—I don’t give a toss what you consider “relevant” commoner. Further, I don’t care what “values” you think I display either. You call me boorish yet you don’t know me so that judgment is flawed. I will take my family’s aristocratic heritage and values over people like you any day. As I have said, you have failed to answer the question repeatedly and continue to resort to character judgments. You call me boorish? You need to look in the mirror. Anyone who wants to argue/debate points when someone is expressing genuine sympathy and understanding about the loss of family members falls perfectly under the definition. That behavior is simply disgraceful and shows insensitivity and common decency. If you are representative of what the community’s “respectable” value set for this community, then maybe it’s time to look at other options.

loudouncommonsense

For someone who professes knowledge of the "Queens English" you certainly missed the absence of application of both the term "commoner" and "aristocrat" in the US. Since any hereditary title is meaningless in America, you my friend are also a commoner (apparently less educated than many).

Squaks11

As a state we are trending the wrong way.

Hospitalizations for coronavirus statewide have increased 72% in the past 3 1/2 weeks -- from a trough of 783 on July 6 to 1,350 reported Wednesday morning, up from 1,294 the day before, according to data from the Virginia Hospital and Healthcare Association. That's the highest number of patients since June 2, although still below the peak of 1,625 hit on May 8. The number of COVID-19 patients in intensive care units and on ventilators also increased to the highest levels statewide since mid-June.

The eastern region of the state, which has been hit by a surge of cases since late June, continues to have the highest number of hospitalizations, 554, its most since the pandemic began. In Northern Virginia, 245 patients are hospitalized, up from 183 as recently as Sunday but still well below the peak of 818 on April 30.

The Virginia Department of Health reported 999 new cases on Wednesday, with 182 of those in Northern Virginia. The eastern region, which includes the Hampton, Norfolk and Virginia Beach areas, again reported the most cases, 425, although its seven-day average is down a bit from its peak.

The state reported 30 new deaths Tuesday, the most since July 9, but only two in Northern Virginia. Overall, the state has reported 2,125 deaths, with slightly less than half, 1,028, in Northern Virginia and nearly a quarter, 519, in Fairfax

Loudoun4Trump

Team Trump getting close to vaccine development.....fastest in history in developing a vaccine......great work Team Trump! Meanwhile democrat governors are out there arresting business owners and charity concert goers while they let their cities burn to the ground.....all to try to win an election in November.....Trump wins big in 2020....

loudouncommonsense

L4trmp: fake claims, again.

Wahoowah

45 doesn’t care about you honey. And has no real education and multiple failed businesses. He won’t produce taxes for a reason. If he is re elected in November it’s truly the end of this Country. The whole family is evil.

Voltaire

Wahoowah—Who gave you the “authority” to make moral judgments on a person’s character? How about on a person’s family? Are you God? No, you are not. Let’s get off the “holier than thou” attitude. Donald Trump, whether you like him or not is irrelevant, has graduated from the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania. That is, contrary to your assessment, a “real” education”. Further, He took charge of his family's real-estate business in 1971, renamed it The Trump Organization, and expanded its operations from Queens and Brooklyn and into Manhattan. The company built or renovated skyscrapers, hotels, casinos, and golf courses. Trump later started various side ventures, mostly by licensing his name. He bought the Miss Universe brand of beauty pageants in 1996, and sold it in 2015. He is worth approximately $2.1 Billion. Your premise that Trump has some “ulterior motive” concerning his taxes is subjective conjecture, at best.

amerigirl

Who are you to say that Wahoowah can't make that judgement if that is their opinion. God has nothing to do with how someone judges someone else. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Everyone know daddy trump paid for donny's education, that is why he threatened to sue them if they released his grades, but individual educators have said that he hardly ever went to class and was the worse student they have had. He took charge, do you realize how many times he was bailed out by daddy? Or how many times he has declared bankruptcy? Have you heard how many people he took advantage of and didn't pay for their work to expand that business? Then you bring up Miss Universe. How many times did trump publicly bragging about violating women’s privacy and bodily autonomy. On an appearance on The Howard Stern Show in 2005, published on Sunday by CNN, Trump described going backstage at the beauty pageants while the contestants were undressed. “Before a show, I’ll go backstage and everyone’s getting dressed, and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it,” he said. He must have an “ulterior motive” for not producing the tax returns that he swore he would make public. My opinion is that he's not worth what he tells people he's worth.

If you think Trump is worth 2 billion you're quite gullible. It's true he's bilked America's taxpayers out of millions (I'm sure you'll resist the use of bilked but do send taxpayers a bill when you stay at your own house? Didn't think so). Why don't you get a bottle of Trump wine, sit down with a Trump steak and have a nice dinner all the while hoping you don't contract the Trump virus that's killing thousands each month.

Voltaire

AG—Give me a break. The initial poster made a blanket statement about the moral character of a person’s family by calling them evil. Is that really acceptable? No, it is not as that is a moral judgment. Where is the evidence to support that “claim”? Oh, I sorry there isn’t any but hey its okay to smear someone’s family reputation. Is this the “value system” that this community has adopted now? Further, who are you to say that I can’t call him/her out for it? I have the SAME right as he/she does, no? The question of whether God has anything to do with is dependent on one’s theological viewpoint. I don’t care who paid for Donald Trump’s education; the ORIGINAL premise made by the poster was that he didn’t have the education. The actual record shows that he DID have a degree from the University of Pennsylvania. Therefore, based upon the NORMAL rules of logic, the original poster’s premise is wrong. My premise about the President’s release of tax returns is still valid. It is conjecture.

amerigirl

Volt, yes if that is their opinion that is what they have accepted, if you disagree with them say why, as you did. But they are still entitled to their opinion. Yes, you can smear a family’s reputation, it happens all the time to people in the public eye. You can call him/her out for it, just as I can call you out for judging them. You don’t think that some people get a degree based on who they are? The person who interviewed him for Penn, James Nolan and Fred Trumps best friend, said Trump was an average, forgettable Fordham University transfer student whose family helped him get into a school that wasn't even that hard to be accepted into. More than half of applicants were accepted in the 1960s, compared with only 7.4% today.

Voltaire

MAGA—No, I am not gullible and do not really care. However, if you are so gung ho on arguing this point, then you will need to go up to New York City and argue with the business press there as THEY were the ones that reported that net worth number. The rest of your “statement” is conjecture and not worth the energy to dispute/disprove.

Voltaire

AG—Fair point. As to the question of degrees, yes, I agree with you that some people “buy” them because of who they are. I think that it is very wrong as there are some people who follow the rules and work real hard to get a degree from the same institution.

loudouncommonsense

i could care if you agree with the qualities I listed for leadership. In this era of transactional politics those are my strong opinions about what America needs. I certainly didn't invent them, and my stating them is no more a lecture than you telling wahoowa they shouldn't be making judgments about who is evil. Get off your high horse.

Voltaire

LCS—well, yes there is actually a difference. I made an observation/comment that the poster Wahoowah is wrong about calling someone’s family evil as that is a moral judgment without any supporting documentation to validate that judgment. You, on the other hand, did indeed lecture the public and were trying to ram down your “values” of what constitutes leadership down on other people by telling people what is “required” and what “matters”. I didn’t attempt to force my value set on Wahoowah as you are attempting to do in your post. That is hypocritical, at the bare minimum. You are indeed allowed to communicate those values, however there is NOTHING that says that you are allowed to “force” those values onto others. Other people are allowed to make an independent determination as to what “leadership values” they believe and want to either accept/reject. As to your last statement, simply make me. That last statement is hypocritical as well. Get stuffed.

d

You're funny. Thanks for the laugh.

Wahoowah

Trump getting close to a vaccine? He doesn’t work, he’s not a doctor and he thought you could drink chemicals and end it. Do you not have ears to hear him? He’s got early onset of Dementia just like his Dad.

Voltaire

Wahoowah--OK. I don't care who is sitting in the Oval Office. NO U.S. President has ever produced any vaccine. That is the responsible of the Pharmaceutical Industry as they have the resources and expertise necessary to produce medicines. The rest of this "statement" is conjecture.

loudouncommonsense

1. honest character matters

2. ethics are important

3. the conduct of business in a non-fradulent manner matters

4. paying taxes due is important (whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant)

5. empathy matters

6. tolerance of dissent is critical

7. knowledge matters

8. concern for others, not self aggrandizement and self enrichment is required

9. honor and honesty are critical

10. Respect for institutions, their leaders and their followers including the Press is a foundation of America

13% of American voters are undecided; I find that number amazing. 3 1/2 years is enough time to take the measure of a person and their job performance. None of us occupy a job in which the character of a person is irrelevant and God is not the only concept that can stand in judgment of good and evil; humans make those calls every day in our minds. It just looks harsher than we want to admit to when committed to writing. I easily give wahoowa a pass and suggest Voltaire is sitting in judgment of wahoowa.

Voltaire

LCS—Wow. Are we done with the lecture, professor? I find it highly hypocritical that an individual wants to tell everyone which values/attributes “matter” and which ones do not. For example, who are you to tell me that “concern for others, not self aggrandizement and self enrichment is required.” OK, who precisely gave you the “authority” to tell people what is required? The answer is nobody. I believe that people in this country are allowed to form their own opinion of what values that they consider important and not, no? BTW, the payment of taxes is required by law (the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution) and is a little more than simply important. There is nothing wrong with people being undecided on an issue either. Sorry that they don’t agree with the “popular majority” but again that is their choice. Your “suggestion” about whether or not I am “sitting in judgment” has been duly noted and ignored. That statement is simple conjecture.

amerigirl

It isn't his team it is independent labs. What are you getting so excited about trump for doing his job? The man who lied and said he has done it faster than anyone before, HAH, this far into the swine flu Obama was already having the vaccine distributed.

ChocolateDinosaur

Greetings fellow Patriots. Take heart! The end is not here. It only seems that way if you are mired in comment sections like these here on LTM, on social media, or listening to cable news/AM radio. We are going to need you in a very short 97 days so hang in there. I recommend taking a long weekend away from the mental sinks listed above. You do yourself no service by engaging with bad faith actors, those who embrace anti-intellectualism, or those who spout wild conspiracy theories in lieu of logic and reason. Your words are wasted and so is your time. Focus on yourself, your families, and what you can do to enact change.

97 days will come and go in a flash. That is how many days until Election 2020 when Americans will get a chance to have their voices heard loud and clear. Have a plan. There are options for early, absentee, and mail in voting. Please educate yourself and your spouse and voting age children.

Good luck. Hang in there. You are not alone.

https://www.elections.virginia.gov/casting-a-ballot/absentee-voting/

antennaTV

amerigirl, "Bob what does a woman's choice have to do with covid? Covid doesn't leave you a choice."

Bob O making a lot of sense. Never heard of a woman who has two beating hearts. That second heart must be the one who doesn't have a choice in the matter.

loudouncommonsense

where's Bob's statement against executions? Where's your declaration against executions? Better climb off your moral pedestal of arrogance or become consistent.

amerigirl

Again what does that have to do with covid???? [offtopic][offtopic]

loudouncommonsense

For people like loudounplse: Don't ever take public office, run a business or manage ANYTHING...you are destined to fail. You demonstrate no forward thinking. Public health is like war, you don't predicate your action on history. You plan for what is coming. Remember when terrorists strapped bombs to kids to carry out their evil? Covid is just like those bombs: can be carried by children to infect others: teachers, staff, caregivers, parents, grandparents.

misslyn

So much insanity. Not one ounce of normal. Americans have been brainwashed by Fox News

Voltaire

Misslyn--your statement is a blanket characterization and it is wrong. Not everyone who is an American gets their news from Fox News and is brainwashed.

amerigirl

Again, entitled to their opinion.

Voltaire

AG--Nobody is arguing with the right to express their individual viewpoint. However the statement is FACTUALLY wrong.

LoudounPulse

78 of 108 (72%) are over 80yrs old. 1 of 108 between 40-49 (<1%). Here is how schools should be reopened for 100% in class learning. Teachers over 40, are on the Distance Learning Team. Teachers and Students under 40yrs old will be in the classroom learning. LCPS Problem Solved.

LiBcool

I like your thoughts as a recommendation with the caveat that teachers have a say in their preference of where they want to work. Because there is lots of uncharted territory here, I would not want to force a teacher to work in person if they feel it too unsafe for them. Plus young teachers might have young kids and child care might be an issue for them too. It defeats the purpose of keeping young kids out of school, if they are just being sent to day cares. So I agree with you, let at least young kids go to school and let teachers teach in person if they want to.

amerigirl

Are you just counting deaths again? Don’t you realize that people get sick and there are serious side effects like stroke? Don't kids go home after school to parents? Why not be safe for a couple of months and then review? Why would you rather endanger the population so there is a chance we need to start this all over again?

LongtimeLoudouner

Have those sighting no child deaths or cases in Loudoun as their reason for opening schools ever thought that maybe it’s because Loudoun was quick to close schools before it had a chance to spread? The day schools closed, Loudoun had only one presumptive case and it was only the 8th case known in all of Virginia at the time. So far 288,287 children in the US have tested positive. 88,103 new cases reported from 7/9-7/23, a 44% increase. That’s with kids not going to school, so one can only imagine how those numbers would dramatically increase if schools opened. Just look at what’s happening within pro baseball teams with much higher levels of prevention and testing our schools could never match.

Personally, I was super relieved when Loudoun schools announced they wouldn’t be opening. My son is a Loudoun middle school teacher with compromised lungs due to a life long history of severe asthma, making him high risk. A new study from South Korea shows that kids 10 and older can spread the coronavirus as well as adults can. Even with a hybrid approach, my son would be exposed weekly to a lot of kids! I know how he gets when he gets sick. I can’t count the times I’ve rushed him to the ER. He’s now married with 2 small children. If our president had taken, and would take, the coronavirus serious and do a national plan like the leaders of the successful countries did, we wouldn’t be in this big of a mess. And my son shouldn’t have to risk his life so schools can open with the virus still spreading, like Trump said he wants them to. My big thanks to our governor and Loudoun decision makers for following the science to keep us all safe instead of trying to appease Trump!

LoudounPulse

You do realize that children have been playing together since March and still none of them have died. Just because schools are closed doesn't mean children are protected, yet none have died in Loudoun after 6 months. Whereas those whom are Boomers and the Greatest Generation are dropping like flies. What should be done is schools should be opened and retirement communities should be shutdown.

amerigirl

How do you know that kids have been playing together since March? How do you know if other people who caught it from kids have died? None of the kids in my neighborhood have been out playing together and I have only seen 1 that had people over. They did it for the first few weeks like the lockdown was party time, suddenly they cut off all contact and had everything delivered to their home and never had people over again. Death is not the only reason to shut schools, they have done it for flu, measles, etc outbreaks, All you care about is death, unfortunately that is not the only side effect.

More Cowbell

Problem is, not one of these statistics show how kids were tested and the outcome of those tests. Plus, we now know that many positive tests were in fact negative(after testing 2 more times Negative). and you're argument would go towards why not keep schools closed permanently, only distance learning since all teachers/kids could die from any disease. I'm all for distant learning if it drop our local taxes by 50% or more. No need for school buildings, no support staff needed, less teachers, no busing, no need for meals, or clean schools.

amerigirl

Who even said the kids would be tested before going to school at all? I agree the test cold be wrong and that doesn’t mean the kids won’t have it the very next day. Distance learning is not good for younger kids, but neither is the virus. Right now, they should go with the lesser of the 2 evils and evaluate in a few months. Meals for underprivileged are guaranteed.

LiberateLoudoun

Make up your mind. Is this state problem/solution or a federal problem/solution. You're crediting the governors for all the good and the president for all the bad!! If you knew how this country was built, you'd understand that the states have a lot more power and control. The federal government just can't impose their will on the states. They CAN'T do what other countries have done. Even if the president tried to declare mandatory masks, limit travel, shut everything down, etc. And if he did try, do you really thing the liberal governors would go along? No way, they've already proven they'll sacrifice life and property for their "cause"...... get Trump out of office.....at all costs!

amerigirl

This is a national problem that an incompetent president didn’t want to deal with so he pushed it off on the states. The governors are trying but some of them just want to appease trump and opened too early and look where that got us. The federal govt could have done their job and created guidelines and stuck to them instead of tweeting about reopening when it violated their own guidelines. He hasn’t stayed firm on any action regarding the virus because he is too worried about the election. This is a pandemic and it should not have any politics in it yet he keeps pulling it in. Where is the leadership? Trump has made over 200 false claims June 8 through July 5. He said that dems said thing about him shutting down travel, it never happened, on top of that he only imposed only a partial travel restriction; he has now made versions of this "ban" claim over 70 times. He said that Obama didn’t leave him any test kits, when you can’t test for something that hasn’t happened yet. Even social media is taking down his misleading claims on the virus. It is him that makes the claims that are flat out lies to try and keep the office, even that Biden wants to prosecute Americans for going to church (wrong) but not for burning a church (wrong).

Voltaire

AG--I agree overall with your comment.

Skyprince

Holy moly, the GOP deniers here are really sick people. They listen to the morons on right wing media and think they are right. This virus will never go away as long at the Big Orange Goon keeps putting out ridiculous information. The world is watching and at first they were shocked about how Trump mishandled the CV19 crisis, now they just pity us....99 days and counting until we clean out the stench in the WH. We have 150k deaths and Moronia is redesigning the Rose Garden, she is as clueless as she is stupid. History will record her as the worst First Lady...or First Man, she still looks a man with a botched sex change operation...look at her face, scary bad! Looks like what Bruce Jenner is stuck with, maybe same doc??

countyresident

What an intelligent post.

jbsets

That was a bit much even for me

d

Does your mother know you're on the internet?

Bumpkin

It's always been my belief that Americans of every stripe can come together to solve almost any problem, but after reading the hate (both sides) on this page, I'm not so sure. I'm sad for my country.

jbsets

[crying] Very sad

Voltaire

Bumpkin--you are making a faulty blanket characterization. You are assuming that every comment on this site represents the viewpoint of ALL Americans. Clearly it does not and making that assumption is flawed.

amerigirl

"of every stripe" means of every form of thinking not every one is thinking the same. Nor did they say of people on this site, but that it was an influence. Again it was their belief and they are entitled to their opinion.

Voltaire

AG—the issue is not the “of every stripe”. The issue is with the second half of her statement. The initial post from Bumpkin stated “It's always been my belief that Americans of every stripe can come together to solve almost any problem, but after reading the hate (both sides) on this page, I'm not so sure. I'm sad for my country.” Yes, he/she is making an assumption that, based upon reading the comments on this site, that the country will not come together to solve the problem. That IS a flawed assumption as that sampling of viewpoints does NOT represent the entire nation. No one is disputing the right to express that viewpoint.

amerigirl

But it is the person's right to have that assumption

Voltaire

AG--Did I NOT say that "no one is disputing the right to express that viewpoint?"

Charles Houston

Tests, cases and even hospitalizations are all meaningless. For example, the number of cases varies according to how much testing was done, and thus is an unimportant figure. The ONLY valid measurement is the number of deaths.While not 100% perfect, it's the one statistic that should be followed.

That figure today is around 148,000. When the pandemic hit, the projections were that as many as 2.4 million would die without federal assistance. I'd say the government has done a darn fine job.

jbsets

You missed an important point. The more than 148,000 deaths you list is just SO FAR. The 2.4 million is BY THE END OF THIS. We're not anywhere near the end of this. Also, testing is important, as is contact tracing. Just running around maybe wearing masks and opening too soon seems to be a problem and doesn't seem to be bringing the numbers of deaths.

More Cowbell

Testing does very little. I've had 3 tests, all negative. I was required to take the tests, of course all tests were done a week before I was suppose to enter hospital/physical therapy buildings. I easily could have come in contact with someone not knowing they were positive(or knew and didn't care). It's not like anyone found to be positive is watched to make sure they quarantine. many go back into work because they need to be paid, especially in the restaurant business or where they're paid under the table.

amerigirl

Testing keeps the spread down. If you had been asymptomatic you could have been spreading it without knowing it. Even is you are asymptomatic and gave it to someone doesn't mean they won't suffer or even die. You have a lack of faith in people.Most people would not want to infect their co-workers and risk having their business shut down.

Mike Kay

Yes, looking at today's numbers is meaningless. Remember when the total was 15, headed towards zero? Another meaningless number? Recoveries. Any idea what 10 nights in the hospital costs? Here's a clue. It could be easily 6 figures. Even if your magical thinking imagines that your insurance company will pay 100%, doesn't that still represent an economic impact? What about copays and deductibles? Time off from work? How about the impact of a stroke or permanent lung or organ damage? As usual, the "Covid Statisticians" (and other internet experts) are taking the wrong view of the pandemic.

ExitRamp

@Charles

So let's wait until people die to know where the infection is spreading? Great thinking. Hospitalizations and deaths are trailing indicators of infections. Testing/isolation, particularly since COVID-19 can be asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic for weeks, is our primary method to get ahead of the spread.

-----> "When the pandemic hit, the projections were that as many as 2.4 million would die"

Why is it that everyone seems to forget that we reached 150,000 deaths WITH MITIGATION. Had we not gone into lockdown, the number of deaths would be much, much higher.

amerigirl

In a way. But what they really use is the rate of infection, how many positives, negatives to the amount of tests done. That shows how hard an area is being hit. Hospitalizations also show how bad it is hitting and if they are full than that is bad. Right now in Florida the have ICU units that are up to 140% capacity, meaning that people are in halls because they can't get a room. The number of deaths alone does not show if an area is a hot spot or not. The 2.4 million deaths was an estimate of the worse case scenario if no action was taken, it was not an estimate of a projection of how many would die.

amerigirl

You are using a figure of deaths that was given to trump IF there was no intervention and the virus was allowed to spread on it's own. That figure is lower because of intervention and could have been even lower if steps had been taken faster and consistently.

Barry Hussein

How many school age children have died in Loudoun County as a result of COVID? The number has to be huge since they have shut down the schools and disrupted the work schedules of real working families for another four months. Oh, it's zero? LCPS decision making at it's finest

amerigirl

They have to DIE????? Yo are asking the wrng question. How many chances are we willing to take with our children before one of them dies? Ho many school children are going to take the virus home and infect their parents and other relatives, how many of them will die? Did you forget that kids get sick too and they end up in hospitals and they can have extreme side effects? It's all about life or death, BS.

jbsets

AG: Did you see the YouTube video posted by a 5th grade teacher in CO? They are in the schools right now preparing their classrooms. They are not reducing class size so they have to fit the same number of kids in each classroom. They can't do that and maintain recommended social distancing, so they are going with 3 foot distance between each desk. 3 feet! If you're not going to do it correctly and safely, I'm not sure that going back is the right idea.

*The above is my opinion and not meant as a political statement or to sling mud or call names.

amerigirl

3 feet is not enough space for a prolong period of time. The say the chances of catching it from someone is much higher after 15 minutes.

Barry Hussein

Ok. I will stay in our safe space and wait for the risk to be exposed to COVID to be zero. You obviously live in fantasy land

amerigirl

You should go out nd play with everyone, don't wear a mask and inhale deeply every time someone coughs, vacation in Florida while you at it. Good luck in your dream world.

countyresident

AG - what a pleasant post. True to form.

amerigirl

County, you don't seem to understand the sarcasm on either of our posts, True ignorance

countyresident

AG- took you a while to come up with that one. Your sarcasm is fake

amerigirl

Poor county you must not have a life, mine gets busy and replying to your stupid remarks is just not top priority.

countyresident

AG - LOL it's very clear you have nothing better to do than troll these comments with your dopey "facts". Fool

jbsets

As opposed to fake working families? All these comments about not wearing masks and opening too early come from people who probably haven't been directly touched by the virus and I sincerely hope that fewer people are impacted.

*The above is my opinion and not meant as a political statement or to sling mud or call names.

Mike Kay

Barry Hussein (Did you get that from your AM radio talk show performance artist?). So you're ok if children don't die but staff and their family members do? You sound like a modern fake conservative who supports the most well known con man on the planet.

loudouncommonsense

To focus on children as a statistic while neglecting their role as potential vectors is mis-informative and not in the public interest.

Squaks11

Keep up the good work every one. Masks and social distancing and we will get through this quicker.

he Northern Virginia Regional Commission, a group of local governments that has been coordinating the region's response, issued a statement Monday from chairman P. David Tarter, mayor of Falls Church. Tarter noted that the region's rate of positive test results is down to 5.8% from an April high of nearly 38%.

Seven-day average test positivity rates by health district

SOURCE: Virginia Department of Health, July 28, 2020.

Health District Rate Trend

Alexandria 5.9 Up

Arlington 3.8 Down

Fairfax 5.5 Down

Loudoun 5.1 Down

Prince William 7.2 Down

Rappahannock 4.4 Down

Statewide 7.3 Down

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/covid-19-hospitalizations-up-again-statewide-northam-to-provide-update-tuesday-afternoon/article_40110eae-d0d0-11ea-aaea-db577b575f48.html

LiberateLoudoun

There you go, throwing facts in the middle of a good argument!

ChocolateDinosaur

Northern Virginia has done a very good job all things considered. Wear a mask and help us all get back to business as soon as safely possible. I believe we all want this!

loudouncommonsense

Bobesq: Conflating 2 separate issues is not answering the needs of either, especially since you left out executions in the equivalency. The issue of this article is national failure to stop an epidemic. When they have an article about whether the United States is of highest moral character and legal consistency, then let's argue all forms of activity that cause unnatural death and the solutions to them.

BobOhneiserEsq

WOW - really impressed by Gov. Northam's sincerity about the death rate from Covid this year. He must REALLY be concerned and not promoting some sort of signaling to protect his legacy as he nears the end of his reign. Oh yeah - so far this year Covid has taken less than 10 % as many lives as abortions did in Virginia and he is supposed to be a doctor (do no harm?) No - I am not callous regarding Covid nor do I believe closing schools while still paying for all the staff is reasonable. When politicians no longer carry ANY CREDIBILITY they should leave office. Time for this Governor to leave. :-)

Alsochristie

Please, Mr. Ohneiser! Have you nothing better to do than post your claptrap? As I recall, you lost at your attempt to secure public office. That should tell you something. Go away!

amerigirl

Bob what does a woman's choice have to do with covid? Covid doesn't leave you a choice. The law is the law. If you don't pay teachers who does the distance learning? Your remarks lack CREDIBILITY

CindyLou

BobohneiserEsq - Why don't you right wing radical bible thumpers stop comparing Covid19 to abortion? Covid is a virus. Just because you hate the Governor one would think you could at least me sane in your thinking logic. How many times do you help the children that have nothing, no food, no housing, no shoes? Do you help those that are abused, neglected and sexually assualted? How many children are killed by their parents abuse across the US in a year? How many drug addicts die from an overdose? How many young black people are murdered by police brutality every year? Seems you Republicans only care about "Republican issues" none that have to do with humanity itself.

jbsets

Cindy: I agree with everything you said but not your delivery. Rise above and don't roll around in the mud with people like BobO. *The above is my opinion and not meant as a political statement or to sling mud or call names.

Voltaire

Cindy Lou--Wow. You cannot make the logical argument that because you are a Republican that you only care about "Republican issues". There are Republicans, like Democrats and Independents, who care about others and try to help them and work to help humanity in general. To say otherwise is false. You are right in that the comparison between COVID 19 and abortion is not correct.

Mike Kay

There's Jim Bob ESQ getting in his digs about fetuses again. Please try moving to a theocratic country since theocracy is your single concern.

ChocolateDinosaur

This is a great reminder that there are 98 days until Election day! Take some time to make sure that you have registered, are still registered, and that you have a plan for November 3, 2020. Let's get rid of politicians with no credibility!

https://vote.elections.virginia.gov/VoterInformation

jbsets

So many things wrong with this post

loudouncommonsense

Trump is actually awfully late to the party. He had a chance to head-off much of the human and financial suffering far earlier, but he was the Make America Gasp for Air covid denier. Compare us to other countries on a per-capita basis. We're like 7th best in the world. That isn't leadership, that's dereliction. Stop blowing the faulty flattery trumpet, unless of course you are getting paid to post this stuff.

countyresident

Still blaming Trump? Do you ever think about anything else? How pathetic.

loudouncommonsense

No one, including the trmp has provided evidence to prove the blame for an inadequate national response (delayed testing, inadequate supplies, rush to reopen causing more deaths etc etc) lies elsewhere. What would you like people me to do?

amerigirl

County, your whining about people against trump is even more annoying. You think it's okay for trump to grab women, have affairs, but Biden cant put his hands on someones shoulders? Sick puppy

amerigirl

County so much for your comeback, don't have anything substantial? Maybe you should just be quiet until you have something worth saying about the article and not the people.

countyresident

AG your juvenile comebacks are so much better than mine! Keep em coming LOL

Voltaire

AG--No, I don't think Trump's "activities" are proper. But Joe Biden's activities aren't either. What is good for the goose is also good for the gander, no?

amerigirl

Volt I have no idea what "activities" you are referring to

Voltaire

AG--I am referring to Joe Biden's grabbing people's shoulders. Several people that Biden "manhandled" looked rather uncomfortable and that is wrong. Just like Trump's activities.

amerigirl

In the polls the majority think so. of the coronavirus pandemic has hit a new low, with just 32 percent of Americans saying they support his strategy, according to a poll released Sunday.It has even gone down with republicans.

CindyLou

Countyresident……..it's all Trumps fault and that liar is still hiding facts and figures and laughing at the families of all those that have died. He is the worst President this country has ever seen and will see. No that's pathetic! His son just got thrown off twitter for 12 hours for lying and giving out false medical advice. Canada is laughing at us, big time. We are the joke of the world. Yes, it's Trump's fault

jbsets

County: Getting tossed off Twitter is HUGE to the Trumps. That's how they like to get info out to the people, like firing people, announcing policy, passing around medical information, giving a heads up on information that wasn't meant to be released yet or at all. Much of the information is untrue and/or is meant to pat Trump and his family and friends on the back. It's inappropriate. Twitter and FB already warned everyone that any information posted that is or could be dangerous to the public will be deleted and the person posting it could be blocked and depending on the post or frequency, permanently barred. The first amendment does not allow freedom of speech that could hurt others. Not going to blame everything on Trump. He has many whispering in his ear and pushing him to do their agenda. He could stand up and do the right thing, but he refuses. He has to take the blame for that.

*The above is my opinion and not meant as a political statement or to sling mud or call names.

Voltaire

Cindy Lou--As someone whose family lost a loved one to COVID-19 this year, I totally get and am thoroughly enraged at the President's activity that you described in the first sentence. I can stomach most of Trump's antics but that one is simply wrong, disgraceful, and hurtful. The President, as the leader of this country, should NEVER laugh at his fellow citizens who have perished to this virus. He should acknowledge them with respect and empathy. That is how LEADERS deal with trying times like this. However, the only area I would disagree with you is Canada. The Canadian Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, has his own problems right now and the country is still battling COVID-19 so I don't think that they have time to laugh at us....

Voltaire

Jbsets—You need to define “speech that could hurt others”. There is no general provision in the First Amendment that specifically states that “speech that could hurt others” is not covered. The known main exceptions are as follows: (1) True threats, (2) Fighting words, (3) Calls to Illegal Action, (4) Obscenity and Child Pornography. There are other exceptions such as perjury, plagiarism, solicitation, and blackmail. I will provide a warning on the exception of True Threats. There isn’t a clear, consistent definition of a true threat, but it should be more than political hyperbole or metaphor (“we’re going to kill you at the polls”), a joke, or an impulsive angry comment (Ref: (Watts v. United States, 394 U.S. 705 (1969)). As to the role of advisors, it is appropriate for a leader to listen to his advisors and to make independent decisions based on the information provided by his advisers. That is proper decision making. You are correct concerning a leader’s accountability for his decisions, good or bad.

amerigirl

Volt there is more to “speech that could hurt others” such as screaming ‘fire’ in a crowded room. Actions that endanger others. Like trump pushing his hydryroxychloroquine in his tweets. That is why they were removed from social media. Or suggesting that bleach can be injected, etc. He shouldn’t have lied about the virus and made people have a false sense of safety which may have caused illness and deaths. Federal law enforcement authorities have privately told ABC News they worry that – although Trump has offered public denunciations of violence – his statements have been inconsistent and Trump's style could inspire violence-prone individuals to take action against minorities or others they perceive to be against the president's agenda. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-abc-news-finds-17-cases-invoking-trump/story?id=58912889 His remarks have led to violence against immigrants, but he’s the president and can get away with it.

Voltaire

AG—I totally agree with you. I am going off of the legal exceptions to the First Amendment as defined by Federal law. I do think that it is unfortunate that there are people who cannot apparently think for themselves. How anyone could think that the idea of injecting themselves with bleach is a good idea is simply disturbing.

Mike Kay

countyresident: Who else would you blame for a lack of national leadership? The person who lost the election...because of "HER EMAILS!" or "BENGHAZI!"? The TrumpTard factor is high in your, and other, posts. :)

Squaks11

Hillary lost the election because is ignored too many states and took them for granted. She also was not well liked and that got us Trump.

amerigirl

County, I guess you aren't grown up enough to come up with an answer to his question of who else.

countyresident

AG his question is stupid and so is your comment. I’m just responding to the juvenile “it’s all Trumps fault!” silliness that pervades those afflicted with TD syndrome. It’s just endlessly boring

Voltaire

Mike Kay--OK. I agree that, if you are talking about "national leadership" then yes, Trump, as President, is culpable. However, I don't see bringing up Hilary Clinton into this conversation does anything of value. She lost the election over 3 1/2 years ago.

amerigirl

Squaks, what does that have to do with this article about the virus? It just reflects your hatred. [offtopic][offtopic][offtopic]

Squaks11

AG - Again your inability to read is astounding. My post was a reply to

Mike Kay Jul 28, 2020 3:09pm

countyresident: Who else would you blame for a lack of national leadership? The person who lost the election...because of "HER EMAILS!" or "BENGHAZI!"? The TrumpTard factor is high in your, and other, posts.

I supported Hillary for President. I support Biden for President.

You are not the site monitor no matter how much you think you deserve the job. Please in the name of god of there is one stop!

Loudoun4Trump

Thankfully President Trump was in office to fast track vaccines and one is in stage three of testing and hopefully will be available in the next few months.....the fastest this has ever been done...Great work Team Trump!

Yeah, 6 months in the Grifter in Chief now says he's working on a strategy. So are voters. Our strategy improves America dramatically in early November. His strategy, well, probably like another infrastructure week.

ExitRamp

Wow. The coronavirus genome was sequenced in early Jan. Pharmaceutical companies like Moderna, Astrazeneca, and Pfizer immediately started identifying and profiling candidates for mRNA and vaccines by Feb. It was well known that fast tracking (which has been employed by the FDA for years) would be a necessity for any successful COVID-19 vaccine candidates. Make no mistake about it, fast tracking was not Trump's idea.

Trump announced Operation Warp Speed in late April, well after many companies were on their way for vaccine development. Trump then announces that we will fund $6.5 billion to expedite development and distribution. Of course, these are tax-payer dollars. The European Commission at the same time raises $8 billion to fund their pharma companies.

Meanwhile, Trump stops funding WHO and cuts collaboration with Europe and China. He also minimizes the importance of testing (makes his numbers look bad) as he and Pence proudly go about in public not wearing masks or social distancing thereby setting an example for the rest of us. Then he tries to cut off hospital data from the CDC, the one entity we all rely on for real-time, accurate information. Our leader in action. Brilliant!

Trump gets NO credit for his response to the coronavirus pandemic. In fact, much of the crisis we are experiencing now is directly attributable to the Trump administration and his lame "task force".

jbsets

PROUDLY NOT WEARING MASKS?!?!? If they wore masks, more people would and we could get out of this mess faster. We need the vaccine and I can only hope that it works. In the meantime, let's be patriots and wear a mask and social distance! Oh and in case you have forgotten, your precious Trump said wearing a mask was patriotic.

ExitRamp

@jbsets

Lol. Go back and reread my comment which was in response to L4T. Hopefully, you'll see the sarcasm therein.

Peace be with you.

Loudoun4Trump

As he should defund WHO....they lied and Americans Died.....they did not do their job, kept changing their advice and what to do, a completely incompetent organization that is well past its time....bunch of lazy bureaucrats that would rather protect China than the American people......GREAT JOB TEAM TRUMP!

amerigirl

You got that backwards, TRUMP LIED and Americans Died. People taking meds he was pushing, drinking bleach and disinfectants. WHO didn’t lie, they were lied to and they did their job which is to gather material and give the findings. It is a NOVEL virus and if they think they have new news on it, it is their obligation to report it. Again it is a NOVEL virus and there as they learn about it they put out statements because it is a new virus and they have not found a cure for it. It is not as simple as you make it sound. Working to do something about the virus instead of blaming will be most productive.

Voltaire

ER--I mostly agree with your comments. I am not sure how much "collaboration" you would get out of the People's Republic of China (PRC). The PRC see this pandemic as a good way to advance its geo-political goals. It is also worth noting that the Russian Federation is apparently on its way to having a vaccine for COVID-19 registered by August 12, according to Bloomberg.

ExitRamp

@Voltaire

Of course any relationship with China would be tenuous. China was the first country to begin vaccine development and have some promising candidates in the pipeline. It would be tragic if they succeeded before us and we were not in a position to share any scientific information with them.

The human experiment continues:

The Russian vaccine, as you may have heard, has only completed a Phase I trial. Nothing of its safety is known. They will release it to front line personnel while continuing Phase II-III testing. The world will be watching.

CindyLou

Loudoun4Trump. There will be no vaccine anytime soon that works. The virus mutates to easy. He's pulling the only leg left you have to stand on. Better sit this one out.

ExitRamp

@CindyLou

---> "There will be no vaccine anytime soon that works."

Ok, we'll let NIH know you said so.

---> "The virus mutates to easy"

The virus has had one meaningful mutation since Dec. But if you have different information, please share it with us.

jbsets

My sister-in-law is the director of NIH's genome program. She tells me that it actually is mutating and quickly. Every time they find one mutation, another pops up. Quick vaccine could work and all of us on all sides of the isle and both ends of the political spectrum hope so. However, I don't believe that Trump has anything to do with any of this. It's been others stepping up to do the right thing despite him or going around him. If he was such a good leader he would use his executive privilege to mandate masks and social distancing AND he would set an example. He won't set the example and puts everything off, including blame, onto the states especially if that state has a Democrat governor. He's not afraid to issue exec orders to do other things like threaten to send troops to DEMOCRAT lead cities. There are peaceful and violent protests in Republican run states, but he hasn't announced to put down those protesters. I wish I could say if he would walk the walk, but he isn't even walking. I just hope that things don't get much worse so more hospitals don't have to make decisions about which patients probably won't survive so they need to go home to die to make room for other patients. I can't even imagine being an exhausted doctor having to make that decision and tell the family. I can't imagine what those families feel. Makes me sick to my stomach. He needs to step up and so does McConnell to get all the bills that he refuses to put in front of the Senate off his desk. Americans deserve better.

*The above is my opinion and not meant as a political statement or to sling mud or call names.

ExitRamp

@jbsets

Thanks for the response. Yes, many mutations but only one that has surfaced as being significant that being the European version (the one NY inherited).

Here's the easy read:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2020/06/29/coronavirus-mutation-science/?arc404=true

Here's the fun read:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7174922/

Ask your sister-in-law but as I understand it, coronavirus mutations tend to be less dangerous, not more.

amerigirl

I believe they are they ones who said the soonest would be early 2021

amerigirl

Exit, it was a focused study on one form. They are constantly finding new side effects with the new mutations.

ExitRamp

@L4T

Wow. The coronavirus genome was sequenced in early Jan. Pharmaceutical companies like Moderna, Astrazeneca, and Pfizer immediately started identifying and profiling candidates for mRNA and vaccines by Feb. It was well known that fast tracking (which has been employed by the FDA for years) would be a necessity for any successful COVID-19 vaccine candidates. Make no mistake about it, fast tracking was not Trump's idea.

Trump announced Operation Warp Speed in late April, well after many companies were on their way for vaccine development. Trump then announces that we will fund $6.5 billion to expedite development and distribution. Of course, these are tax-payer dollars. The European Commission at the same time raises $8 billion to fund their pharma companies.

Meanwhile, Trump stops funding WHO and cuts collaboration with Europe and China. He also minimizes the importance of testing (makes his numbers look bad) as he and Pence proudly go about in public not wearing masks or social distancing thereby setting an example for the rest of us. Then he tries to reroute hospital data from the CDC, the one entity we all rely on for real-time, accurate information. Our leader in action. Brilliant!

Trump gets NO credit for his response to the coronavirus pandemic. In fact, much of the crisis we are experiencing now is directly attributable to the Trump administration and his lame "task force".

amerigirl

You have such low expectations but it is trump so I can see why.

All this thanking him like he is a demi-god is crazy and very sheepish. Did you have tears in your eyes as you typed that? Shouldn’t he have been working on that vaccine a long time ago? Obama with the swine flu; first U.S. infection April 15, 2009, H1N1 vaccine first doses given Oct. 5, less than 6 months. Trump with coronavirus first case Jan. 21, 2020 still no vaccine 6 months later.

countyresident

You Trump haters are so nasty. It is stunning that you think feeble brain Biden and all the ridiculous liberal policies will rescue you from Trump. LOL your dumbness is deep

amerigirl

Dumbness is deep, read your own post, hahahaha. You just hate everybody. You know there was a reason they gave trump a competency test,

Loudoun Observer

AG and others here that spend their days posting incessantly about Trump will vote for an empty beer can in Nov if it has a (D) beside it.

jbsets

People might be willing to listen to you if you didn't too out all the insults. I realize that the Bible says an eye for an eye, but it also says that God loves all of us. Based on all the negative stuff being tossed around, it will be a looooooong time before we''' all unite...kinda like the UNITED States of America.

*The above is my opinion and not meant as a political statement or to sling mud or call names.

ExitRamp

Dear countyresident

Yes, quite nasty. It is sad to think we have to rely on Biden to save the day. However, there's still time. He could still forget that he's running for president and even not make it until January in which case we'll be having a discussion about whether his politically correct choice for a black female vice-president can lead us out of the darkness.

Voltaire

Jbsets--I don't think that you can make that statement. Despite what you see here on this site, there are millions of Americans who, like you, want the United States of America be the best in the world and want it to be UNITED.

amerigirl

Loudoun observer thinks he know so much about everyone, psycho psychic/

amerigirl

LoudounO, even an empty beer can would be an improvement, at least it can't make false claims on twitter and run it's mouth bout things it knows nothing about.

countyresident

AG You bet I hate you sheer stupidity of your support for feeble Joe. It will be entertaining watching Trump stomp him.

amerigirl

How stupid is that remark, if you have read my posts you would know that I m not a big Biden supporter. Though he is a tremendous improvement over trump. Prepare to be disappointed. Trump is already making excuses for why he will have lost the election.

countyresident

AG I don't care who you support but if it isn't Trump, then it's feeble gasbag Biden. Your stupid comments are only transcended by your ignorant hypocrisy. Again.

amerigirl

What does you obsession with politics have to do with the pandemic?

countyresident

AG what is your obsession with my posts? Please get a life

countyresident

AG- what? Half your posts on this thread are political. Get lost

amerigirl

My " obsession with your posts"// You direct them at me, see how you put AG in front, how moronic can you be?

countyresident

AG - back again I see with your juvenile comment. As usual. Yawn.

amerigirl

County you are very sad if you can't come up with any context to add about this article and have to be so obsessed with me that you do nothing but troll me. So sorry I couldn't get your reply back to you so you didn't feel abandoned, I guess you have issues with that. I know how you crave the attention, but as I said you and answering to your third grade post are not a top priority for me. You are very boring try real hard and see if you can come up with anything about the article and stop stalking me, it's very creepy.

countyresident

AG - yawn. You are a comment troll and you are part of the problem of the spreading of ignorance with your know-it-all posts. I love pointing out your tedium and seeing that it is getting to you. I'll wait for some (not intelligent) reply because sure enough you will have one. Maybe make it about the topic this time? You know, the pandemic that you are such an expert about? Fool

countyresident

AG - it's clear you enjoy the attention since you can't stay away from my posts. LOL. Fool

jbsets

Sadly Trump is in the WH to line his own pockets and the heck with the American people.

*The above is my opinion and not meant as a political statement or to sling mud or call names.

ExitRamp

But, but jbsets...you know he still has 63 million doses of hydroxychloroquine that he stockpiled and is now desperate to sell. Remember, he even had his shill Navarro threaten the FDA to put it back on the list of acceptable treatments.

amerigirl

Yep he is pushing hydroxychloroquine again using a doctor who also says you can get cysts from devils’ ejaculation materials, and the US government is run by "reptilians". She's also made videos saying that doctors make medicine using DNA from aliens, and that they're trying to create a vaccine to make you immune from becoming religious. You really need to wonder what is going to be the next thing out of his mouth.

ExitRamp

@AG

---> "...and the US government is run by "reptilians"

You mean it isn't??

amerigirl

He just tried to get British Open golf tournament to the Trump Turnberry resort. He allegedly pressured the U.S. ambassador to Britain, Robert Wood Johnson IV, to ask the U.K. government to relocate the lucrative British Open tournament to the president’s Turnberry resort in Scotland. Guess who would end up paying for security.

countyresident

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