LCPS Distance Learning - Anna

A Briar Woods High School student engages in distance learning.

Update: July 8, 5:09 p.m.

Loudoun County Public Schools families will now have until 8 a.m on July 15 to choose whether children will attend classes in the fall through a hybrid or distance-learning model, division officials said Wednesday afternoon.

The new deadline is two days later than the original July 13 deadline and was changed "to allow more time for families to evaluate the options available," according to LCPS.

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Original report: July 6, 6:09 p.m.

Parents and guardians of students enrolled in Loudoun County Public Schools must choose whether their children will subscribe to a hybrid- or distance-learning model in the fall by July 13 at 8 a.m., according to a Monday email to LCPS families.

During its lengthy meeting last week, the Loudoun County School Board endorsed the implementation of a learning model under "Phase 3" reopening in Virginia in which most students will spend two days per week in physical attendance and three days at home, though families can opt out in favor of a 100% long-distance option.

"This will be a binding choice for the first semester of the 2020-2021 school year, from the first day of school until January 15, 2021," LCPS Public Information Officer Wayde Byard wrote.

The July 13 deadline is three days later than the original proposed deadline of July 10, which officials had announced during last week's board meeting.

Attached to Monday's email is a 16-page document delineating important information about the return to classes in the fall, including further details of the two learning models, assessment and grading practices, student and staff safety measures, transportation restrictions and other factors to consider when choosing between hybrid and distance learning.

To select an option, parents and guardians are asked to log into ParentVUE, select the "Student Info" menu item, and click on the "Edit Information" button. Via the "Distance Learning Option" drop-down menu, users should then select their desired option then click on the "save changes" button farther down the page.

Per Byard, parents and guardians are required to repeat this process for each child enrolled in LCPS. More information on how to make this selection is available on the LCPS ParentVue website at lcps.org/Page/230311.

The division has also scheduled a virtual town hall meeting for Wednesday from 5:30 to 7 p.m. to help families learn more about the learning options. Community members can submit questions in advance of the event by filling out an online form at https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc0xAzMkf64NwT8ACZL8_FsrTn--bBKTaBZAQOK4EDZWeMYLA/viewform, and the event will be available to watch live at lcps.org/Page/140009.

"We appreciate that these choices create unique challenges for the entire community, and LCPS would prefer to provide 100% in-person learning for all students if it could be safely delivered," Byard wrote in closing. "We will continue to work to be prepared to shift to an approach that involves more in-person learning for more students as public-health conditions allow."

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loudouncommonsense

Yawn........Obama and Clinton keep resurfacing in discussions 3 1/2 years after they left the national political scene. I would like someone to explain how resurrecting specious claims about 2 out-of the-news, out of power people furthers any discussion or understanding of the societal woes coming from the current covid crisis.

JustMe

What I find interesting is if your select the Hybrid version it cuts instruction time in half (or by 4 hours if you count in the Monday 15 min per block check-in - not much can be done in 15 min) for the students due to the days not in school are "Asynchronous" learning where they will work on assignments without instruction.

If you select the 100% distance model it would seem that students would receive 8 more hours (or four if you count the check-in time on Monday) of instruction.

Why are there different amounts of total instruction time? Speaking out-loud of course.

DavisB

in both cases, the schools have done a terrible job of understanding classes - they say the hybrid plan is 60 minutes in class and 60 minutes of homework while the distant learning is 120 minutes of class time and 60 minute of homework - my kids were going to school for an average of around 5 - 6 hours a week per class (in their classes during school and then homework) - I am convinced that my children wont be ready for SOLs or AP exams with this plan unless I hire them tutors.

Loudoun4Trump

when the political virus ends the day after the election will LCPS continue with the very expensive sub standard education model or will the kids get to go back to school full time?

hardestworkingamerican

Thank you finally a reasonable informed sitizen. Children that do not attend school before Trumps reelection should not be allowed back once he pulls the curtain down and shows the world that Obamer and Clinton have been designing this fake virus plan for years. Sickening that so many of you have fallen for facts and science.

amerigirl

Trump has no control over the virus, why do you think he would? You really think the entire world got together and killed off millions of people so they could send it to the US to mess with trumpster? You are so far down the conspiracy hole it is alarming to hear you. Sickening that people like you have fallen for such nonsense and ignore the facts and science.

CindyLou

hardestworkingamerican…...your kidding right?? 137,000 dead in 4 months, so in a year the death toll will be over 300,000. Fake virus? The only thing worse than the Covid19 Virus is the STUPID virus.

amerigirl

You are not dealing in reality. Don'y you know how the curve works? The virus should not have been mad a political talking point to begin with. Thanks to trumpster and his fear of losing an election it became one. If there is no rel virus why are the hospitals filling, people dying nd trump working on operation warp speed to get a vaccine?

Pablo

We're still in the middle of the first wave of a pandemic, but to read some folks here you'd think it was already over.

Looking at what's happening now in Florida, Georgia, Texas, etc., with hospital ICUs filling up, I'd wait and see if NOVA can get through another month or so of Stage III without seeing a COVID spike before getting too worked up about whether students are back part-time or not at all, because until you can see where we really are in late August all this June-July angst about whether to go with in-person learning is misplaced when the real question is IF there's any in-person learning at all.

springerdad

Great post and so true!

amerigirl

The scariest thing I have read in these columns is the people that just don’t even believe there is a virus. Loudoun4Trump says “it’s a political virus ends the day after the election”. hardestworkingamerican agrees with him and says kids shouldn’t be allowed back in school after the election if they weren’t attending and that “Obamer and Clinton have been designing this fake virus plan for years.” That is just scary!

hardestworkingamerican

Replace teachers who are two scared too work. Their is no real threat from this hoax cold virus. Get some teachers to teach kids about the things that matter like the Bible and stop with this nonsense! Kids that dont go to school have parents that arent worries about there future. Kick them out and keep them out! Loosers!!!

springerdad

You are trolling hard today.

DavisB

and not well

amerigirl

Somebody doesn't know the difference about being smart about a pandemic and being scared. Must not be a parent of a school age kid.

djtielle

LCPS had the VISION platform for online learning before a pandemic was ever considered a rationale for it. That’s innovative before it was really neede, Fairfax relied on Blackboard to work and it crashed incessantly. The bottom line is that there is no foolproof way to educate large masses of students risk-free during a pandemic. Some will get sick. Some very sick. Some will thrive in online learning and some will not. Until there is a viable vaccine that works and we can really understand this virus and it’s outcomes (short and long term), which we don’t yet—stats don’t account for individual immune systems—there has to be patience and some level of trust. LCPS has some amazing tech folks who have been and will continue to be innovative and some really great leaders who I know work very hard to try to make this work. Safety is of prime importance. So is education. Pretty much in that order, Covid-19 doesn’t care. I’ve lost two in my life from secondary complications (blood clots) who should be here with an opinion. But they can’t have one now,

DavisB

VISION was blackboard, just rebrands.

LCPS has adopted Schoology which is a leading platform and will give teacher some cool, new ways to present lessons and resources. It relies on having decent content and students willing to put in homework time - nothing new

Concerned1

But maybe instead of spending excessive time and resources trying to figure out how a very complicated hybrid system can work, they could have been focused on creating a rigorous distance learning curriculum and ensuring staff and students are trained on the new platform.

LoudounFamily

I wonder if LCPS has considered a year-round. Many other counties/states have implemented this schedule to reduce crowding in schools that were at capacity. It also helped reduce the need for building more buildings in those school systems. With three tracks (or groups) on a year-round schedule the school would only ever be at 2/3 capacity because there would always be one track (or group) tracked out. The way I have seen it operate, each track was 9 weeks in school and 3 weeks off (and then one 5 week track out that served as summer). This method also improved retention and reduced the amount of time spent on review at the beginning of the school year. Many school systems are successfully running this type of schedule.

LoudounFamily

Wake County N.C. is a great example of a successful year-round implementation. Here is a video that highlights the benefits- https://youtu.be/rg-9U-phD_g

amerigirl

They have actually done that before. That might be an excellent idea for at least a year while getting past this virus. A friend that grew up here told me about it and that the parents were not happy about it because of things like having the family split in all different time frames. I think at that time they were shifts and not all the students attended at the same times of the tear. The couldn't take family vacations etc. But your way of ding that sounds much more reasonable.

Big Daddy 348759

It appears that with either option the level of learning is indeed slipping in Loudoun County. We're supplementing with Liberty Online Academy since the demand for private education and Homeschool co-ops have spiked.

When the testing drops in the out years Williams can cite the COVID crisis and get his bonuses and outrageous salary and continue on knowing he held to the union desires. Loudoun Public schools no longer puts the students first.... I guess lowering all the students learning is acceptable now.

Countyrez

If you feel scared and attending school in person is too great of a risk, stay home, go 100% on line, that is your choice, don't make your choice for everyone else.

amerigirl

It is not the feeling scared, it is the spread. When this starts spreading in the schools and it is taken home to parents we could start the entire cycle all over again. If you do that you are making the choice for everyone not just you. That i the problem they are having in the states that opened too soon. people, who made their decision and did what they wanted. started spreading it again, hospitals filled again and now they are pausing their opening and reversing some of the things that have been opened. They made their decision and it affected everyone.

DavisB

Who is making the choice for everyone else? YOU get to choose which plan you want for your families. Send your kids to schools if you want or keep them home. No one is telling you what to do

Concerned1

Right, but she’s saying by choosing to send students and teachers to school we increase the level of community spread which impacts everyone

LCPS teacher

This was shared recently by PWEA from a Prince William County teacher. Perhaps some of you commenting in this thread won't care anyway.

"Good evening.

I am Catherine Smart. I am the parent of a Woodbridge High School senior. My husband works in the city. I am also a teacher at Colgan High School.

I recommend that high school learning in Prince William County Schools be conducted completely in a virtual environment for the fall semester. A month ago, my teenage son became infected with Covid-19. He came home with the virus unknowingly. It took less than an hour for him to spread it to the rest of the family. Half a week passed before any of us exhibited symptoms.

All four of us had different symptoms. My 19 year old had virtually none. My 17-year old experienced violent vomiting that was so harsh his back seized up. He was disoriented and couldn’t stand on his own. My husband and I had debilitating headaches, muscle aches and chills, hallucinations, dizziness, and extreme fatigue. Symptoms have lasted a month. There was at least a week apiece where my husband and I were unable to care for ourselves, or our sons. I couldn’t even sit up without help. My husband is still not cleared to go back to work.

First, our family is like your family. Our lives are enmeshed in multiple community settings - both within PWCS and throughout the broader DMV area. It is impossible to extricate my viral vulnerability in my workplace from my husband’s. Any students I interact with by being in the school facility are automatically added to the risk that must be borne by my husband and children, and by anyone they must interact with.

Second, Covid-19 has cost my family a month so far. In that time, we had 4 terrifying trips to the ER - one of them today - and several conversations about whether we each needed to sign a Do Not Resuscitate order. We’ve been wildly, viciously ill. And yet - our cases are considered mild. The potential risks to others who might not be as lucky is unconscionable.

Third, not one of my family EVER had a temperature. This is one of the basic triage methods for detecting illness, and yet if the four of us were students at a PWCS school, it would have been a minimum of four days before our disease was noticeable enough to test. Taking student temperatures will simply not function as an accurate screening measure.

Fourth, young people might not become as ill as older people. But the staff at your children’s schools, my children’s school - we do not live in a vacuum. We have families for whom we must provide care and safety. Our health and our lives are at risk if we are forced to attend school in-person without a vaccine, or at least some significant advancement in medical ability to prevent and halt the coronavirus.

Any method of minimizing the daily population in a PWCS high school still means more than 1,000 students for all but two schools. More importantly, most staff would come in contact with large numbers of the student population. There is no ability to rotate faculty. This is an exponential risk for staff, and an unbearable human cost.

Finally, none of the many, many doctors we have spoken to can tell us whether we are now immune from the virus, or for how long. The clock is ticking on my family’s vulnerability, and it is a terrifying sound. My son does not feel comfortable attending in-person schooling at our beloved Woodbridge High School. His fear of becoming ill with this virus again is so great that he is willing to miss his senior year of in-person high school to ensure his physical wellbeing. That speaks volumes.

My family - county residents, county students, county teacher, District of Columbia/federal employee - is not a theoretical concept. Covid-19 invaded our home swiftly, completely and ruthlessly. PWCS cannot knowingly put other families through the same horror. I urge you to allow, at the very least, the fall semester of this upcoming school year to take place online."

LoCoResi

Yes, I know of two separate families who had it and in both families, none ever had a fever.

That's troubling for sure since one of the big "safety checks" that's being used for returning to work, daycare, school, etc. is temperature checks. Both of those families are LCPS families and have opted for 100% DL due to their experiences with it.

amerigirl

I really hope they know just how lucky they were. If only there was a guarantee that it would only be that bad for everyone.

DavisB

During the town hall meeting last night, the schools basically said that if a student refuses to wear a mask or comes to school ill, they will be told that they should follow the guidelines because it is best for everyone and then sent to class anyway - there will be no intervention to force mask wearing or staying home when sick - what a joke

Countyrez

How about a simple solution.

Send the kids back 100% in person, live stream and record the lessons being taught in the classroom for those who would like distance learning. Apply all necessary cleaning, precautions and mitigations. It really does not need to be overly complicated. Make your voice heard before it's too late: lcsb@lcps.org; eric.williams@lcps.org -571-252-1020

LCPS teacher

There are privacy issues involved for live streaming. Additionally, there is nothing set up that would allow us to live stream, even if privacy were not an issue. We don't have that equipment.

Countyrez

Then simply recording the teacher instructing the class and posting online should suffice for those interested in 100% online, while in-person receive the live instruction. Sounds easy enough. Any kid with a smart phone can make that happen. YouTube and Kahn Academy figured it out rather easily.

amerigirl

Why not 100% at home teaching with the exception of 1 day in class? That 1 day can let the teacher know if the students are caught up and do testing. It also gives them time to clean the rooms before the next group in in.

Jaws

If we’re going to let privacy be the issue then send them all back to school. A laptop with a USB microphone $20 , all schools are equipped with WiFi, there are numerous applications for recording and streaming live.

1.4 billion budget let’s get creative and come up with some good ideas for these kids. As above, If kids want home school then watch live stream from home, if they want to be at school based on population have a A week group and a B week group. When A week is home they are watching stream, vice bersa for B group. This way health and safety can be accounted for, distancing and mask for kids in school.

Concerned1

Quality teaching online is very different than just viewing a taped recording of a teacher.

Jaws

That sounds lime a good idea. Essentially split the student population in half. A group is in person, B group can be virtual, alternate the groups so social distancing and health regulations can be adhered to. If parents want 100% home school that’s alright as well.

If we let something like confidentiality rules be the deciding factor then we just need to send them all back in to school. The confidential statement is in fear parents may see in on a teacher that may not be actually engaging the kids. (Exposes Admin of Loudoun for not earning their salaries)

amerigirl

It sounds simple because it is way too simple. There aren't even enough maintenance people to the cleaning. Start with the kid walking out the door. They get on a bus where they can't social distance, which then have to be cleaned, some before the 11 am shift for kindergartners. and cleaned in between each trip. Some drivers wouldn't even have the time to clean before their next shift. There is already a shortage of drivers so if they get sick how do the kids get to school? People, use that number to call and tell Williams we want safety first.

ChocolateDinosaur

We had no trouble making the decision to keep our kids home through at least the first semester. We would like to observe and gather more data. Good luck to those of you who don't have a choice or who have determined that you are not equipped to be a full-time parent.

John M

Chocolate: Do you always have to sound so arrogant?

LCPS teacher

Have any of you noticed that area school districts are doing the same???? LCPS is not unique in its approach to how to handle this mess. Williams is taking direction from state officials. He's not making these decision, good or bad, in a vacuum.

DrDoctor

We Loudoun parents don't want to be like other counties LCPS! I really could care less what they are doing. We expect Loudoun to maintain a higher standard of education ,but that will require using some common sense and actual virus data to come up with a better plan than this hybrid garbage model.

Eric Williams could care less about improving Loudoun education. He clearly lacks leadership skills.

Please see published comments below from Education Sec. DeVos:

Some schools have announced plans to bring students back for only a few days a week, an option that Education Secretary Betsy DeVos on Tuesday said was unacceptable.

“It’s clear that our nations schools must fully reopen and fully operate this school year. Anything short of that robs students, not to mention taxpayers, of their future,” DeVos said.

During a call with governors, DeVos slammed plans by Virginia’s Fairfax County Public Schools to have families decide between fully remote instruction or two days a week at school. “A choice of two days per week in the classroom is not a choice at all,” DeVos said, according to audio of the call obtained by The Associated Press.

RandomName2019

On the one hand, you make a case that you want LCPS to be the highest standard for education. On the other hand, you reference a totally unqualified Education Secretary; a woman with absolutely no experience in education, to support a decision that you'd like to see.

So which is it? A high standard of education or a Betsy Devos standard? You can't have both.

LCPS teacher

My point about surrounding counties is they're all trying to come up with similar plans. Look across the nation. There are many parents who are scared and are keeping their kids home either through homeschooling or the distance learning option that LCPS is offering.

And don't be a FOOL when it comes to DeVos. There is a political agenda there. NONE of us in education were pleased with her appointment. The DeVos family is among the richest people not only in Michigan, but the world. Her children never stepped inside a public school. DeVos has never held a professional position as an educator. She neither studied education in school. DeVos has primarily been a political activist and a philanthropist.

If she is your measure, it is no wonder you believe what you believe.

LCPS teacher

@DrDoctor - And it's "I really COULDN'T care less.

DrDoctor

Thank you for the correction, LCPS.

amerigirl

You may not WANT to be lake other countries, but the virus will not discriminate. It will treat our people the same and still infect people. It wold be crazy not to learn from the data that other countries have from what the have tried that has or has not worked.

I wouldn't believe a word DeVos said. She will say anything to please the trumpster and has no experience to draw on.She can blast systems fro what they think is right when they have a plan on how to make it work. She has NO plan, just throw them back in no mention of how to keep the environment safe and clean.

Jaws

Here’s an idea and the way most replies go on this site some Monday morning quarter back will shoot it down. Since we don’t know when this pandemic will end. Get our Loudoun county economic team, our school administrators, and county officials to work with developers who own millions of empty class A office space across the county. We can take teachers and retro fit space for our children to have open spaces to receive their education. Places where we can get the class sizes down in numbers acceptable by state recommendations. Make administrators in that large building on the toll road to get out and teach along side licensed teachers. Even have school counselors shift to support classes and students.

Anybody who says it can’t be done I’d ask you if you thought in January we would be in this current situation. Anything is possible and an entire generation of kids that are behind will continue to fall behind. I’m sure the county with all it’s tax money from data centers can lease enough space for six months for a great cause.

Not looking for political pandering or snotty reply comments. I think the kids of our county deserve something great and I don’t see anyone on this site coming up with positive or creative ideas.

Loudounlistener

Great ideas. What about an AM/ PM shift so kids can attend school every day??

DrDoctor

This is a good idea Loudounlistener! Bus availability would be a big hurdle, but still a very good suggestion!

amerigirl

How do you get all the teaching done?

Loudounlistener

great ideas! What about the consideration of an AM/PM school schedule so kids can attend school more days?

LCPS teacher

Transportation is a significant issue. There already are not enough bus drivers.

RandomName2019

Honestly, this is a great idea. I hope that you've pitched it to the school board.

amerigirl

How about remote learning 4 day a week and 1 day in class for testing and quizzes so the teacher makes sure everyone is caught up? Less time on a bus is safer too.

DrDoctor

Spectacular failure on the part of Eric Williams and his school board. YOUR mission is to educate Loudoun youth whereby school kids and educators are in a safe and healthy environment. Parents should have the option for kids to return FULL time to Loudoun schools. We all respect the concerns some families have about returning to school and they have been accommodated with distant learning.

Current data is very clear. Hospitalization rates on people under 30 years of age is less than 2% nationally. The mortality rate for someone under 70 with no underlying health condition is less than 1%. Kids immune systems are very tough when it comes to Covid 19. Another big number is the national death rates from Covid 19. Nationally, Covid 19 deaths (all ages) are down a full 92% from the peak.

Ours kids are already behind one semester and now it appears that they will lagging by two semesters come the end of 2020.

The hybrid proposal is not an acceptable solution.

I present this post as non-partisan. I believe we all want the best for our kids.

Face to face interaction with peers and teachers is a huge part of learning for our kids. and they will not get that staying at home three days out of the week.

This awful policy will most certainly boost private and home school learning as I have previously stated.

DavisB

your kids are not a semester behind, unless you gave them a pass last quarter - they had work that was assigned buy many families let their kids, especially in high school, simply do nothing - it was up to the students to choose to engage or not

But I agree that the plan for next year is dreadful

Loudounlistener

Where do you get your data? My school FAILED at providing appropriate distance learning last quarter! My eight year old had 2 45 minute classes PER WEEK!

LCPS teacher

That was't true distance learning for the last quarter. It was crisis intervention learning.

DavisB

yes - there was no good answer last quarter - but that was one quarter, not the entire semester - the goal all along was to accommodate families and students dealing with the virus, not to further learning - families that wanted to keep students on their learning path could and those dealing with a medical and emotional crisis could focus on what was important to them

amerigirl

I would hope that would have been fixed by now. You should ask them how many hours a week a child will receive remote teaching

Countyrez

That must be the data we are constantly being told we should believe, yet Williams and the School Board have decided to ignore because it does not support their pre-determined desired outcome. They already ignored the survey results. Let them eat cake they said from the Admin tower in Ashburn.

LCPS teacher

Have you forgotten about the teachers? While children may have a lower mortality rate, you need teachers to teach your kids. And sorry...many teachers are over 30. Your kids should NOT be behind a QUARTER - not a semester since a semester is 2 quarters - as long as you made your children engage. Will there need to be remediation? Yup. But there's going to be a helluva lot more remediation for the kids who checked out on March 12th - both of their own accord and in some cases, sanctioned by their parents. I speak from firsthand knowledge of that.

Loudounlistener

Where do you get your data? My school FAILED at providing appropriate distance learning last quarter! My eight year old had 2 45 minute classes PER WEEK! By the way, ANY job has these risks, yet we still go to work!

DavisB

yes - all jobs have risk - but do you work with adults or children? Are you comfortable that the adults you come in contact with have washed their hands and do not have a fever? Are they wearing masks and social distancing themselves from you?

We already know that parents in our community have allowed their children to mingle and gather AFTER they tested positive and we know that many kids don't wash their hands and don't have healthy habits - we can be quite sure that they will not socially distant themselves or wear masks when they should.

We also know that there will be a thousand kids in a build on anyone day plus a hundred staff - how many people do you come in close contact with at your work? Stop comparing schools to your office space - they are not the same

LoudounClear

One of our national political parties is all about wishful, magical thinking when it comes to this virus. Reality -- which is where most of us have to deal with this stuff -- says we are in a bad place and not taking more drastic measures to fight this virus is going to take us to a worse place still.

Kitt61

Open the country up... you can’t run or hide... it’s a proven fact the quarantine prolonged the virus. Quarantined people lose their ability to fight germs and infection. Look what happened when they started socializing... everybody got sick! Common sense is the best defense! We don’t wear mask and we don’t stay home. Check temps several times a day. Still healthy! Wash hands constantly. I for one am not buying in to this Political BS. Kids need to be in school full time. I’ve heard and seen most kids can’t participate in virtual learning. Their attention span is short. Kids didn’t do the work and we’re promoted. Think outside the box. These kids are our future... scary right?

amerigirl

Run and hide? You don't have to be stupid either. Look at how well Texas, California, Arizona and Alabama are doing for opening early. Do we want to open too soon just to have to close again, not to mention all the people who will get sick and die from it? You can always tell someone that hasn't lost someone or had it themselves. Yuo think all these people died over political BS? There is something rong with that train of thought. If people could go a month with everyone leaving their homes wearing masks it would make a huge difference. But instead you have all these Karens that don't think they should have to wear them in stores because they have rights. Even an idiot should know that stores are not public property and can make their own rules, and their rights don't mean jack there. You have been lucky that you haven't gotten sick, but you not wearing a mask is nothing but having total disregard for the law and other people's right to not get sick. If your kid has a shorter attention span at home it is not because he isn't in school, give him a learning environment without distractions.

Voice of reason

Amerigirl I agree with everything you've said!! I am an RN and have never seen anythinglike this in 39 years of Nursing. This virus is BRUTAL, and not just old people!!! The long term damage to the body has yet to be realized. Going without masks, not socially distancing is playing Russian Roulette, if not for yourselves, then for your parents, grandparents etc.

Anonmom

Defund LCPS. Vouchers should be given.

amerigirl

People say that until they can't get the school they want because it's full and they have to go with their 2nd, 3rd or even 4th choice.

LoudounClear

Vouchers for Viruses. Are you perhaps a QAnon mom?

Anonmom

My thinking is this, if parents were given vouchers and could choose who would be allowed to educate their children then LCPS might actually have to work to receive their tax dollars. My hope would be that they would be enticed into providing the absolute best educational services. Right now I feel like they are only offering to provide half of what is required.

amerigirl

They don't get their choices a lot of the time. Then the tax dollars are going to an oversight also, so it depends on their standards also.

rescue141

This is the worst thing that the school system could have done and eventually you will see that the kids will be the ones to suffer. While I agree that there is no perfect plan, this is one plan that is terrible. Examples of why: While some think there would not be enough social distancing and precautions taken in school, I will tell you that I have watched these kids out playing together in groups and they are not wearing masks, nor are they social distancing. I would think in school would be a bit more safer than that. Also, I have watched a few children have breakdowns and cried because they wanted to be in school and had no interactions with their friends. This sure isn't very good for their mental health. Lastly, I know of a few children who did not do their assignments and still passed after not doing the work. I don't see that as a very good learning process. But, eventually someone will figure out that this was the worse plan and that most of the kids have suffered from it. Unfortunately, by that time it will be too late to reverse the damage.

Alsochristie

Rescue141, many school districts, Loudoun included, I believe, have had a “no grade lower than 50” policy for years in an effort to pass as many kids as possible. The theory is so one bad grade, assignment not turned in, etc. cannot sink a student’s overall grade. In reality, since kids are well aware of the policy, those less motivated for success can do a small bit of work and still not fail.

amerigirl

A D- doesn't even start until 60

CindyLou

Remember it's airborne: it's a fact and you can't deny it. Get ready.

"Public buildings and businesses may want to invest in air purifiers and ultraviolet lights that can kill the virus. Despite their reputation, elevators may not be a big risk, Dr. Milton said, compared with public bathrooms or offices with stagnant air where you may spend a long time.

If none of those things are possible, try to minimize the time you spend in an indoor space, especially without a mask. The longer you spend inside, the greater the dose of virus you might inhale."

amerigirl

I think they need to do something about water fountains too. For in building teaching maybe a bottle of water per child handed out.

Countyrez

If parents do not think this will be another lost semester they are not taking an honest look at that reality. Yes LCPS will tell you otherwise, but this will be a self-taught semester. The families with elementary/middle school age kids are going to bare the brunt as they need the most guidance to build a proper academic foundation. Juggling a job, household responsibilities and now be a teacher, these parents don't know what is going to hit them until it is too late, just as designed.

amerigirl

You don't know that. Last semester they were still figuring out how to even work the online teaching.

Loudounlistener

What makes you think that magically 4 months later they have a clue how to adequately teach via distance learning?

DavisB

first, teachers have been working all this time to be ready for whatever environment they are forced into. Second, various technologies have emerged and improved over the time.

The problem is more that school administration and school board is failing, not teachers.

CindyLou

https://www.yahoo.com/news/airborne-coronavirus-now-121733735.html

Loudoun4Trump

Wait until next week and you will get a different answer....

DavisB

Does anyone know how much the schools paid the consultant for this terrible and incomplete plan?

Loudoun4Trump

NovaDoc must be one of the high paid school administrators that is part of this debacle....

Lawman

Will all disappear. So parents and students will have deal with these circumstances. LCPS is doing the best they can for now.

pooge30

Agree. LCPS Board is doing the best that they can. No one has a proven plan for a pandemic. I don't like either option, but its what we have to deal with. 100% in school(aka normal) is not safe. So Hybrid or 100% online it is.

Loudoun4Trump

I am a parent with students in the school system....when you disappear I will Lawman....until then get use to a different point of view...LCPS is doing a great job for their donors and failing our kids education with some crack pot idea for sub standard learning.....I watch the test scores continue to decline in Loudoun, I'm sure this is due to the great job LCPS is doing.....

amerigirl

L4T, I hope you realize that Lawman was not responding under you. His reply was cut in 2 sections. The entry should have read “only have 15 cases and this will all disappear.” Things trump said.

Lawman

Although I am no fan of the Governor or his administration, they seem to be getting this response to Covid right and the numbers tell the difference. With the idiot in the White House and ignorant Republicans running states that are seeing explosive infection rates, we are going to have to buckle down for a long while. Children’s education like a lot if things will suffer. Not sure how this will work but we are faced with a lot of tough options because the Mango Mussolini Gail us time and time again. Remember the we only have 15 cases and this

Voltaire

Lawman--not so fast. How do you explain California and Washington State plans to slow down reopening due to rising infection rates? Those two states' governors are Democrat. So you can't solely paint this on the Republicans. COVID-19 does NOT care what political affiliation you are.

amerigirl

Volt, they may be slowing but they are not reversing. We slowed in NOVA to keep control. California is going to be difficult just because of how it is laid out. Most states are not as long and bordering on as many other states as it is. There are states like Florida and Texas who are actually having to back peddle. DeSantis (florida) ordered bars to closed. The Texas Medical Center, the world’s largest hospital and medical complex, had 100% of its ICU beds occupied Friday. The state is again banning elective surgeries. Abbott (Texas) said “If I could go back and redo anything, it probably would have been to slow down the opening of bars,” he said, adding the “bar setting, in reality, just doesn’t work in a pandemic.” Record seven-day case averages were reported by 13 states: Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and Washington.

Voltaire

AG--I agree with you and am not disputing these points. However, what I was disputing was Lawman's statement that "...ignorant Republicans running states that are seeing explosive infection rates" As you pointed out, California and Washington are having increases in infection rates and they are managed by a Democratic Governor.

LoudounPulse

Is LCPS expecting children to pass tests with 2/Days of in-class instruction and 3 days online? I hope they are putting forth the P/N grading system until they fully reopen the schools.

DavisB

It is not 3 days of online teaching - is it one hour of online work done sometime within the 3 days. If you read the plan, the schools are allowing teachers to assign only 60 minutes of homework per class a week. At the high school level where students have 7 classes, students have 3 days to complete these 7 hours.

Jaws

Why not have a week on week off and split the school population. This way the kids get the teaching they need and it allows schools to space out the kids.

If students aren’t getting instruction and are just getting docs dropped on them without teacher instructions then perhaps we should start looking at defunding the schools, lower my taxes and we can all basically do home school.

Loudoun Observer

You should lobby the Fairfax school board to do that, since that's the only way Loudoun would do it.

DavisB

anyone notice that LCPS has eliminated homework? Both plans being offered have reduce the weekly school time to only 60 minutes of week outside of teacher lead classes - so, no math practice, writing papers, research topics - only 60 minutes to learn new stuff?? This is crazy and a terrible way to run the school year - how can student be expected to master lessons with such little time devoted to learnings

pooge30

My children barely had homework pre-pandemic. AP classes gave some. Most of their work was done in class.

DavisB

do not compare what was done this past quarter - the goals of the schools were to keep students safe, physically and mentally. That was why there was no expectation of student engagement in their lessons and the quarter was graded pass/no pass.

For next fall, the focus has shifted and the schools are expecting students to participate in the lessons, grading will happen and the quarter is back to the normal grading scale of A-F. The problem is that the schools have artificially reduced the number of hours students are to be working on school (this was a school board move). As a parent of high school and middle school students, I fully expect to have to hire a tutor so that my kids do not fall behind. LCPS is simply not going to be able to teach a quarter's worth of work in the few hours they are allowing.

pooge30

I did not compare to what was done this past quarter.

Loudounlistener

Realistically, how do you expect a 5,6,7 year old to learn twice a week 6 hours a day strictly via computer? you are a dreamer

amerigirl

listener, the same way a 5,6,7 year old would learn in a classroom.

amerigirl

If they are in High school then they had a free period every other day to work on homework.

DavisB

students have plenty of time but the schools are directing that teacher not give more than 2 hours of work a week for hybrid (1 hour in class and 1 hour out of class) or 3 hours for the distant learning model ( 2 hours of class wit 1 hour out of class). No other work is apparently allowed to be given to students.

amerigirl

They had a lot of adjusting to do. Hopefully most of that is out of the way.

LCPS teacher

Eliminating homework...thank your school board. There is a whole new grading policy, long before the pandemic, that the school board adopted. Here's another whopper...we have to accept late work WHENEVER it gets handed in with NO PENALTY assessed. How many of you can make your mortgage or car payment late without a penalty being assessed? We are coddling these children. We are not preparing them for college. It is no wonder some fail out of college.

DavisB

yes, the grading policy forces teacher to test 5 times a quarter which means every other week - teachers are only allowed 2 hours a week with students (class time and homework) in the hybrid mode and much of this must be used for testing

The school board put these restrictions in place knowing the problem - they simply chose to ignore education and instead tried to placate certain, vocal families

Loudoun4Trump

or home school, send to private school, take a gap year and wait until the schools open up.....what a complete disgrace to the kids of Loudoun County....a 1.4 billion dollar budget and they cant figure out how to teach the kids of this county.....at least the children will be spared the hate america mantra for a year....

CindyLou

Loudoun4Trump. If hundreds of kids died or brought Covid19 home to their homes and parents you Trump supporters would still be saying "it's just the flu" "Follow our leader, Trump, he knows more than the CDC, WHO, NIH, Dr. Fauci and a doctor" How sad and pathetic. Stop with the "left" and "liberal" comments, this virus does not care if your a liberal or a nut bag Trump supporter. It's gonna get you.

Loudoun4Trump

CindyLou....according to Dr.s this COVID crisis is more about politics than health....everyone you mention as an authority has made conflicting statements and has made incorrect statements so they have zero credibility....this is about fear and trying to shut down the economy to win an election....talk about pathetic! The numbers don't support your panic....I guess tearing down of statues is a sign of love for the US, what a strange world you all live in.....

amerigirl

According to doctors some people have made it about politics and that shouldn't have happened. Most doctors and hospital personnel are furious at how the pandemic has been handled by the govt. and how it has taken it's toll on the people. It is a novel virus; they are still learning about it. When they think there is something beneficial to the public, they will share those thoughts, if proven wrong they will change those thoughts. It is Novel, they have nothing to go on and are still learning about it. That doesn’t give them a lack of credibility. So, you think that all these countries got together and planned a virus that would kill millions of people worldwide just so it would mess with trumps election .... talk about pathetic! Ow can you not understand that in the US we should have been standing together to fight the virus? Instead we have a devisive president that wanted his numbers to go up for his re-election hopes regardless of who it hurt. That was willing to chance other peoples lives and wellness to get his way. A president whio defied what the doctors said was the right way to control the virus so he could control the country.

Yep it’s all a conspiracy theory made up to hurt trump. Do you even realize how crazy that sounds? The numbers totally support the worry about the pandemic. Don’t those lives and illnesses mean anything to you? People suffered and are still suffering. You must not have had it and have no clue what it is like. I watched my husband go through it, listen to the story about someone at his work taking it home to his wife that died from it and now see my niece agonizing about her fiancé on a vent with it, I saw my sister’s friend of over 20 years die while pregnant. You won’t accept it until it hits home for you. Statues are not in this article, don’t try to change the subject.

Loudounlistener

Spooky Mulder

rescue141

AMEN!

amerigirl

Wow, just wow, you think they handed out those notebooks for nothing? Who in God's name teaches hate America things? You are so far out of touch with reality.

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