Meal Prep Woodgrove 1 - 3/16/20

Loudoun County School Nutrition Services workers help prepare meals at Woodgrove High School in Purcellville in mid-March.

During its virtual meeting April 7, the Loudoun County School Board voted unanimously to continue its Income Replacement Program and COVID-19 Time Limited Emergency Pay, or CTLEP, through May 23 with the possibility of extension.

As voted, CTLEP will continue double pay for hourly, non-exempt Loudoun County Public Schools employees who are required to physically report to a work site during the closure period brought on by the coronavirus pandemic. These include school nutrition workers, custodians, secretaries and bus drivers, among others.

The Income Replacement Program allows part-time employees and substitutes to continue to receive compensation during the closure period. Affected workers include parent liaisons, cafeteria monitors and daily substitute teachers.

LCPS Assistant Superintendent for Business and Financial Services Sharon Willoughby presented estimated costs of continuing the two programs. Extending Income Replacement and CTLEP through May 23 will cost the division roughly $6.09 million, with an additional $5.61 million cost should the programs be extended through June 30.

According to the LCPS School Operating Fund Quarterly Financial Review, which was released March 31, the division's fiscal 2020 surplus in the personnel category is more than $34.3 million, with an overall expenditure surplus of $42.93 million.

Factoring in a $13.15 million deficit in revenue from the state and other sources and $12 million in funds designated for fiscal 2021, the total projected undesignated fund balance for LCPS this fiscal year comes out to $17.78 million, which the division will use to fund Income Replacement and CTLEP.

Broad Run District Representative Leslee King made the motion to continue the program through May 23.

"Those who are on-site — the nutrition workers, the bus drivers, those people who are handing out the food and delivering the Chromebooks — they deserve two times the pay," she said. "We're asking them to do things that could be dangerous to their health."

Beth Barts (Leesburg District) asked Assistant Superintendent for Support Services Kevin Lewis whether turnout for workers willing to work on-site for double pay has been high. While Lewis said those who report to worksites are enthusiastic and helpful in sustaining necessary programs, he added the number of such workers, particularly in School Nutrition Services, has gradually shrunk.

"We have seen a noticeable change in the folks ... that have been not reporting and having some concerns about their own safety," Lewis said. He added there are measures in place to ensure the free meal service continues, though employee participation has not been so robust as to cause LCPS overlarge expenditures in paying them double.

Superintendent Eric Williams said double-pay has been "absolutely crucial" in motivating employees to report to worksites.

Though both ultimately voted in support of the extension, Harris Mahedavi (Ashburn District) and Jeff Morse (Dulles District) cautioned the rest of the board that electing to continue paying double — as opposed to the time-and-a-half pay exhibited by Fairfax County's and Prince William County's school systems — is a weighty precedent to set.

"Once you shoot the arrow, it's always hard to pull back," Mahedavi said. "It's very difficult from all angles to pull back from two to 1.5."

The unanimous vote to continue the two programs through May 23 came after roughly an hour of discussion. Other items of note during the meeting included votes to adjust distance-learning grading measures.

The April 7 meeting is available to view in full at vimeo.com/405084919.

(80) comments

delta5

Is anyone aware if the LCPS Income Replacement Program invalidates weekly unemployment claims? I would think yes because you have to disclose any earnings to the VEC, but the VEC also says you are eligible for benefits if you cannot work, in addition to the additional $600/wk funds that were approved for the pandemic emergency.

tanabid

nice!!!! people who are working in the hospitals INOVA do not get even one cent rise

applicant45554

LCPS is in a tough spot. They’ve paid everybody even though they’re not working, so now they’ve got to encourage a few of those to come in and work despite getting paid. The only way to do that is pay them more.

Virginia SGP

A simple solution. It's called a furlough. At least until they start working again - maybe through the summer.

amerigirl

SGP, good idea, it makes sense to furlough and they can get unemployment.

Qwertyuiop

Do tell... who is getting paid and not working?

tanabid

Really !!!! I am working in the hospital, and I do not get even one cent !!!

amerigirl

That is so wrong! Best wishes and thanks!

Keep it real

Better reach out to HR! You guys deserve it too.

Virginia SGP

Just tell them to grab some extra cash from the money tree. We can pay EVERYBODY double!!!

amerigirl

Ace what veiled threats of violence? Who and what are you talking about? Is that just another hyped up statement that you are going to post as fact from here on out? We know how you reword things and post them as fact, so before you do explain what you are talking about.

amerigirl

Ace, again what veiled threats of violence?

ace10

Have you gone your entire life requiring others to hand feed you everything?

amerigirl

Ace can you answer, I don't feel there was any veiled threats of violence

amerigirl

Ace also you don't have a clue what my life is like or has been so what is with the nasty others to hand feed you everything remark?

Reality

Loudoun County Officials cannot handle to stress of coronavirus and making irrational decisions impacting the community. We are becoming victims of stupidity and irresponsibikity - request common sense intervention ASAP!!!

Reality

We need a special election - get rid of these dirtbag officials before we turn into Pelosi land California

Reality

Hey LCPS, take a look at your employees in the picture and maybe consider getting them some safety gear. I would imagine they should be wearing face shields or masks.

amerigirl

Probably not for the pic. 3 comments in a row. First blame the BOS then the LCPS, have you decided which one yet?

Reality

All of them and u

amerigirl

Reality, you are out of touch with yourself.

ace10

That's rich. In a typical LTM story, you are responsible for 1/4 to 1/3 of the comments. You're not the comment police. Did you not get the memo?

Reality

Amerigirl, I am plenty of in touch with myself :)

You post and post your liberal BS that clearly depicts your- self centered - self patronizing - overly sympathic mindset. You always ask but never answer challenges. You seem happy with the situation advocating for not leadership nor sacrifice instead you promote generation entitlement. I assume you have never earned nor worked a hour in your life and expect you will continue to feed off someone. Go away!

amerigirl

Ace, looks like you are the comment police, rewriting what people say and posting what you think they said and keeping count of comments that people make . Most of my comments are responding to you. That means you have lots of them too.

pual mase

How about blaming both the LCPS for bad decision and the BOS for providing the funding that enabled it. Satisfied AG now that you insist others answer to you?

amerigirl

Pual, where did I “insist others answer” to me? How can a BOS be blamed for providing the funding, that is taxpayer money? Every county has a school board and it is always funded by the taxes. They have no control on the decision the school board makes. The school board are elected officials. The Loudoun County School Board is the official policy-making body of the Loudoun County Public Schools. Its authority is stated in the Constitution of Virginia, which provides that the supervision of schools in each school division shall be vested in a school board. It operates under the laws adopted by the General Assembly of Virginia and consistent with regulations adopted by the Virginia Board of Education. Are you satisfied with that answer on why you can’t blame the BOS? I don’t get your last statement, now that what?

amerigirl

Reality, how about in touch with reality? I have not said a thing that would make me self-centered. I don’t talk about myself, but I could. What is wrong with having sympathy? Is that one of those horrible left things? I also have answered all logical questions that are asked, I don’t feel the need to answer stupidly posted questions. What is generation entitlement? Why do you even say that, give an example? Bet you can’t. My work history is really none of your business but I have worked since I was 15. I have always paid taxes on my income so you are way way way off base thinking I feed off anyone. Usually people that say those things are the ones doing them, I’m putting my money on you doing it. I am also a firm believer in giving back and committed to volunteer work. I bet you have never done that in your entire life.

Reality

Reality, how about in touch with reality? I have not said a thing that would make me self-centered. I don’t talk about myself, but I could. What is wrong with having sympathy? Is that one of those horrible left things? I also have answered all logical questions that are asked, I don’t feel the need to answer stupidly posted questions. What is generation entitlement? Why do you even say that, give an example? Bet you can’t. My work history is really none of your business but I have worked since I was 15. I have always paid taxes on my income so you are way way way off base thinking I feed off anyone. Usually people that say those things are the ones doing them, I’m putting my money on you doing it. I am also a firm believer in giving back and committed to volunteer work. I bet you have never done that in your entire life.

Very much in touch with the reality that those monies are monies we contribute through taxation and that doubling those salaries in this crisis was not something I nor many others agree with. Not to mention, we never heard the justification for it. Don’t say harm’s way either – you know there are others that could have taken some harms way pay that are far more essential.

Your comments led me to believe that you are self-centered; would probably be the type wanting and desiring your salary doubled as well – my assumption based on how I perceived your posts. Your comments seem to advocate for a lot of the decisions LCPS has made and led me to believe this is some form of self-check - confirming your beliefs, so I say self-centered 😊 again, my opinion and you are right I do not know you. Just going off your tone and comments.

Sympathy is good and bad, and in my opinion when one is overly sympathetic, they can induce a feeling of entitlement (aka generation entitlement) by others. For example, “oh I am sorry you’re not feeling good – don’t worry you can take the day off. Two months later the person comes back and says, I don’t feel good you’re not going to make me go to work, are you?) Not a great example, but you see where I am going, or you don’t. Give one double the pay, what will be next? Next thing thing you know the trash company is going to want more money, and then the grocery stores, and then one wants the stimulus check and on and on and on. Once the train starts, everyone will jump on – who pays for it all in the end?

A feeling of entitlement maybe is what I worry about. Sometimes, people must sacrifice and be selfless in their service to others. Sometimes that leadership needs to be applied, it’s not easy, it’s an art and those elected officials need to figure that out or be removed. Doubling that pay was not an art, it was the easy way out and we taxpayers are paying for it.

Sometimes, I need to bite my tongue and not write personally, but these actions we have seen are aggravating and after serving this country for over 30 years – shedding blood and contributing not money but time and energy into non-profits for the military (self-less service), I feel that sometimes I have to be ignorant with others to get my point across. Just want to make sure you do see that I have committed back to this great country and in a self-less not entitled manner!

All of this is frustrating – look at the postings that are finally coming out, from a teacher on these threads. There is an issue here with the LCPS leadership. If you are seriously supporting them, I would ask that you do it and share with us how they have positively impacted you. Because they have not in any positive manner help us parents continue to educate our children! They took an easy way out that and again in my opinion will lead to more folks wanting more from others versus digging in and trying to do the hard road over the easy road.

amerigirl

Reality, My comments were against doubling salaries, I agreed with SGP about the furloughs. So I guess I am one of those others that don’t agree with it. Was it right of you to post that you thought of me in degrading terms when you know nothing about me? My tone may have a lot to do with past employments where I had to write letters and make statements that had to be legally correct and sound formal. It’s funny because that is not at all how I talk. You can always be sympathetic; you just need to be smart too. I would never give money to a Nigerian prince.

Thank you for your service. That dedication to service is what makes this country great. I have thought that there have been problems with LCPS and they way they handle things since my kids were in elementary school. With all the volunteering I did I had friends like Warren and Suzie Guerrin (school board and teacher) and never backed off telling them what I thought. Biggest complaint was the amount of money that the kids were not getting a direct benefit from. The Loudoun school Board is too old school.

LetFreedomRing

So basically, those of us taxpayers who are not allowed to work or who have lost our jobs because of the virus are now responsible for paying twice as much to people who have the privilege of still having a job? Nice. How about giving those employees a choice: Work or else forfeit your position to someone who would do anything for a paycheck and ability to support their family through this time.

LIfetimeLoudouner

Double pay. Only government workers would ever get double pay. Other essential workers in the real world may get a few dollars in a pay bump but no one will get double pay. What the H are they thinking 20-30 people in a huge building with little outside contact. What a joke.

Our school board is just as out of touch as our board of supervisors.

ace10

Per the LCPS pay study, the median or average pay (they don't explain which) for "Cafeteria Worker" is $16.06/hour. "Bus driver" is $23.23/hour. So let's express that in terms of their new, temporary annual wage... the first group of employees are now earning ~$67000 and the second ~$97000. Seems TOTALLY reasonable for them to make more than first responders from LCSO and LCFR.

amerigirl

Oh good god, we agree on something. There was no need to double the salary for hazard pay. Other places, like Home Depot, are giving it and it isn't close to doubling their salaries

Virginia SGP

Getting many of these jobs is like hitting the lottery. There is a line 5000 applicants long try to hit the lottery of becoming an LCPS teacher.

amerigirl

Then why do they have so many open position postings on their site?

Qwertyuiop

BeINg a scHooL bUs drIvER or cAfeterIaa wOrk is hitting thE lOTtEry[wink]

DavisB

these are not teachers so stop whining and help out

DavisB

stop with the insane and incorrect mathematics - we are talking about a few thousand here, not million and no one is earning that much - your war-mongering has got to go

ace10

If my math is incorrect, then PLEASE, by all means correct it. Your defense of the (D) party has got to go.

amerigirl

The great ace has spoken. Ace can tell you which political party you can be in or defend. So much for a free country, free speech. Mind control has replaced it.

DavisB

ACE - I have no idea how you are twisting this into a political fight or where you come up with the idea that these bus drivers, custodial and cafeteria workers are earning $97k a year - settle down and face the facts that there are people out there that don't earn much $$ but you give so much to our community

Virginia SGP

Ace's math is correct. And he is not including benefits just salary.

ace10

I showed my math and referenced the source from which I got the base hourly rate. Are you going to prove me incorrect? Waiting......

amerigirl

VA SGP, How is Ace’s math correct? If pay for "Cafeteria Worker" is $16.06/hour and work even 30 hours a week would be $481.80 a week. They are open approx.40 weeks 9.5 or months a year wouldn’t that make their salary $19, 272 not $67,000? If a bus driver makes $23.23/hour and work 4 hours a day (that is being generous) or 20 hours a week wouldn’t that be $464.60/week? If they work 40 weeks wouldn’t it be $18,584 not $97000? That is a huge difference. That doesn’t even count teacher work days and federal holidays. Am I forgetting a decimal or something?

DavisB

calm down, Ace and SGP - the workers are not getting double pay for the entire year - it is temporary, hazard pay - your daily Starbucks are safe

ace10

So you cannot disprove my math. Nor my original statement. Which was: "So let's express that in terms of their new, temporary annual wage... the first group of employees are now earning ~$67000 and the second ~$97000. " Note the use of the words "NEW" and "TEMPORARY." This really shouldn't be complicated. Your deflections are tiresome.

DavisB

ACE - your whole premise of expressing this in terms of annual salary is off target and wrong - but if you feel better complaining about a few workers earning hazard pay for feeding hungry kids, by all means, post away - hope you are happy despising people working hard to make things a little bit tolerable for hungry kids

amerigirl

Ace your math is based on a hypothetical that doesn't exist. Neither of those jobs is full time or 40 hours a week. Try to do a realistic version of your math not a made up IF they worked full time and IF they worked for so long. You pumped that up like trump pumps up his worth and poll numbers.

ace10

More defections from the crew who cannot do simple math. Returning to my two original points... why are first responders now being paid less than cafeteria workers and drivers? and why is the county paying double time for a labor type which currently has massive unemployment in the private sector?

More Cowbell

Just poor business. Corrupt School board need to go. There are plenty of restaurants giving away food to needy/shelters since it would go bad. These are non essential positions since the schools are closed the rest of this school year. This is wasteful spending.

amerigirl

Restaurants are actually buying food now for curbside pick up and deliveries. There isn't food sitting around going bad. If kids need chrome books to learn and food to eat how are thee nonessential? Would you feel that way if it were your first grader going hungry?

More Cowbell

They are not buying the same amount, you're getting bad information. And it would never happen. Either I wouldn't have kids until I could pay that expense, or I'd work my butt off to make sure they had food. I grew up poor, went into Military(which I think everyone should be made to do for 2 years, non combat, after HS).

amerigirl

cow, I didn't say restaurants were buying the same amount, where did you get that from? I said that they didn’t have food just sitting around going to waste. You should read the entire comment if you want to make a statement about it. Where is your info coming from? What would never happen? You wouldn’t have kids? Most of the parents that are paying that expense are working 2-3 jobs, there are only so many hours in a day. Right now, they probably have zero jobs. Does that mean their children should go hungry? Most of these people work jobs that don’t pay much like retail who had cut back on employees before the coronavirus.

applicant45554

i think this is the only thing LCPS is doing that I don’t have a problem with. If the job is more dangerous, they should get more money. LCPS shouldn’t however be paying people who are not working a full salary like they are. It’s not fair to the taxpayers paying their salaries watching their incomes fall or being eliminated

pual mase

This is mismanagement at its worst.

Many are stepping up to take risks to serve the public . Soon we will all be expected to take risks to go back to work. We will take appropriate precautions and be happy to have work and earn a living.

Dont you think if they fire the workers that don’t show up, the others will get the message.

I don’t begrudge those that make the choose not to show up but they shouldn’t expect to keep their job either. What does it say about them if they are willing to show up at double pay?

ace10

Instead of belt tightening, we have the County making it rain. Imagine how many Loudoun residents have lost their jobs in food services over the past month. I bet they wouldn't require double pay to work.

Virginia SGP

Nobody else gets extra pay. Not Amazon workers. Not postal workers. Not restaurant workers. You could replace every one of these in a single day.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be thanked. But it is grand larceny to take more from the taxpayers, including those laid off, and give it to their friends.

And let's look at the goal of this. If there is a 60-something worker, maybe they should not be working for their own health's sake. It doesn't matter if we paid them 5x, they might be best served not working. As for the 20- and 30-something's, they have almost no risk at all. So paying them extra is unnecessary. Is Eric Williams trying to coerce vulnerable people to expose themselves to risk? Or is the Supt and school board just looking to hand out more largess. There is zero basis for this decision.

EvilHomer

Per your request in the other story thread: message me your address and I'll send a teacher friend of mine over ASAP.

Qwertyuiop

I’m glad they’re getting paid double. They are underpaid anyways. You’re just upset that those you deem lesser are getting their piece of the pie. Hopefully, this really gets your blood boiling.

amerigirl

Other people do get extra pay. Yes Amazon workers. Amazon, Whole Foods, and Target are currently giving their workers $2/hr hazard pay. Walmart has announced bonuses of up to $300 and CVS Health has announced bonuses of up to $500 for some of their employees. Home Depot is giving full-time associates an additional 80 hours of paid time off, and part-time hourly associates an additional 40 hours of paid time off. associates are diagnosed with COVID-19, get paid time off until they are released by a doctor to return to work, and 14 days of paid time off for any associate required to quarantine by a public health authority or the CDC. Costco is paying $2 more per hour. PepsiCo pay for those going through a 14-day quarantine period. There’s also pay for taking care of a sick family member, as well for employees working at a facility that has to close down. The company will also be covering child care assistance of $100 per day and free testing for coronavirus.CVS is handing out bonuses of up to $500 for pharmacists, store employees and managers. It’s also offering 24 hours of paid sick leave, as well as 14 days of paid leave for anyone confirmed to have coronavirus. There are more, but you can't say nobody is getting it.

ace10

Veiled threats of violence. Isn't that special.

amerigirl

It's a good idea to support your local restaurants. I along with my neighbors do it pretty regularly. Normally we wouldn't eat out that much but they are our neighbors.

More Cowbell

I/we have supported local restaurants on a few nights each week and I leave a $20 tip, although every place I've stopped by to pickup food claim they're down like 75-80% in business. I feel bad for them since I own a small business and was forced to close down. Unsure which is better? At least being forced, my landlord is allowing me not pay rent, still have to pay CAM portion, but had to fill out a 10 pages form and send them copies of bank statements for a year and reports from our store for each month, going back a year.

mopar19

Why not pay them double time and a half. Since we are so concerned about losing great talent to the counties to the East. We’re the richest county in the country. These workers handing out chrome books are on the front lines. They must be paid like first responders.

More Cowbell

Wait, they're being paid better then first responders and first/second year teachers.

Fiscalconservative

The Supervisors raise my taxed, LCPS employees get a bonus what do I get?????

Reality

U / we get a dem in the ars

DavisB

maybe you should be on the front line helping instead of complaining about a few people getting paid

More Cowbell

Higher taxes.

amerigirl

me me me me me me me me me me, what do I get?

pual mase

You finally admit it

ace10

You get a higher tax bill and idiots telling you that you should consider it a privilege to pay it.

DavisB

how about this - your taxes are not going up because of this program - some kids are being fed, though, without costing you more - the money is coming from the current budget so you can rest a bit easier knowing that you are not being force to pay to feed these kids

ace10

Quit while you're behind. This year's budget is funded by this year's tax bills. And I didn't get a pass on my bill, did you? So the County, does in fact, "force" us to pay for their programs, which now includes paying bus drivers more than first responders. But I get it... Do iT FoR thE ChilDReN!!!1!

DavisB

ACE - not sure what you mean by being behind? We are all in this together. The only difference is that I realize that the 50 cents (maybe a dollar?) of my full year tax burden that is going towards this is not a big deal. You, on the other hand, seem jealous of those who are working to better our community.

ace10

Would you tell a Loudoun property owner who works in the restaurant or catering business (but is now unemployed) that they are "jealous" because their tax bills are going up AND there are county employees now earning double pay? Curious if you can see past the silly emotional dodges you continue to invoke.

DavisB

again ACE, your taxes are not going up because of this - the money is from the current budget and in minor. So, you can relax

ace10

Again, you're deflecting. Please (oh please) tell me about how you would explain this situation to someone who works in catering or restaurants, and now is unemployed, BUT FACING HIGHER TAX BILLS ON THEIR HOME. Fiscal year timing MATTERS ZERO in this instance. Cash is cash. Cash OUT of the pocket of the unemployed and INTO the pet project of the school board. Do you not think there are people without jobs in this county who would work for 75c on the dollar preparing basic school lunches?

DavisB

Again, Ace, you are ignoring the math and finances - how much do you think this temporary program costs? Tax rates and home values and the current budget are set, so this temporary movement of funds does not change how much anyone pays in taxes - the amount is so small. BUT, the value is huge - stop deflecting on your true purposes, whatever that is - perhaps you disgust with publicly funded education? BUT, stop with the histrionics about how your taxes are going up because of this - they are not

amerigirl

Ace, you make up figures on a hypothetical story. You don’t think that there are still people in catering or restaurants and they aren’t getting hazard pay? Who? Sure cash is cash. Too bad that the impeached president isn’t giving it to the people but to himself and other millionaires instead. You are barking up the wrong tree. Get a grip and see where your taxpayers money went on the stimulus bill, 82% to millionaires.

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