Coronavirus II

Loudoun County saw 356 new cases of the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 between June 22 and June 29, an average of nearly 51 cases a day over the past week.

The county saw 84 new cases on Saturday, which followed 67 on Friday. There were 42 new cases reported Sunday and 36 on Monday.

The county's total case count is 3,968.

Loudoun County has seen 87 deaths related to the virus. One death was reported on Thursday, one on Friday and one on Sunday. The majority of deaths have come from senior communities in Loudoun.

Over the past week, county health officials say they have noticed an increase in the number of positive tests for the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 among residents between 10 and 29 years old.

“We are taking a closer look at these cases to determine what may be causing the increase in COVID-19 among our younger population,” Loudoun County Health Director Dr. David Goodfriend said in a prepared statement. “I suspect that many teens and young adults are increasingly participating in activities that involve larger gatherings of people, such as beach week and other celebrations, which has increased their exposure to others outside their families.”

Over the past week, 150 people between the ages of 16 and 18 years old tested positive for COVID-19, which represents 58 percent of all people in this age group since the pandemic began, according to county officials.

“While younger people may feel invincible, it is critical that all of us take the necessary precautions to slow the spread of COVID-19 because the virus is still circulating in our community, particularly staying home and away from others when sick and wearing face coverings while in public,” Goodfriend said.

Goodfriend's statement comes as Virginia is expected to enter the third phase of Gov. Ralph Northam's reopening plan on Wednesday.

Under the ”Phase 3” guidelines, social gatherings can include up to 250 people, child care facilities will be open and the capacity cap will be lifted for nonessential businesses, restaurants and beverage services. Entertainment venues such as museums, zoos and other outdoor venues will be allowed to open at 50 percent capacity (up to 1,000 people). Gyms, fitness centers and swimming pools may open to 75 percent capacity. Personal grooming services such as hair salons will still have to follow social distancing guidelines. Overnight summer camps will remain closed.

The seven-day average for percent positivity in local testing stood at 8.5 percent on June 25, the last date for which data was available. It has stayed around that mark for the previous seven days.

Americans are encouraged to remain vigilant in taking the following precautions:

-Avoid large gatherings of people and sharing living spaces with people outside your immediate household.

-Practice social distancing: Stay six feet apart from others whenever possible.

-Wear a face covering over the nose and mouth while in public, particularly indoors.

-Wash hands frequently with soap and water for 20 seconds; use hand sanitizer that contains at least 60% alcohol when soap and water are not available.

-Stay home when sick, except when seeking medical care.

-Avoid close contact with people who are sick, including in your home.

-Avoid touching your eyes, nose and mouth.

-Clean and disinfect frequently-touched surfaces frequently.

-Cover coughs and sneezes when not wearing a face covering.

More information about the coronavirus and how to prevent its spread can be found at CDC.gov/Coronavirus and Loudoun.gov/coronavirus.

(104) comments

Schten

@Big Daddy VA The Tipped Cow had an employee return from beach week with a group of kids that were positive for COVID. The worker showed up for work (in a mask) and was asymptotic. She talked to her manager and once the connection was made was told to go home and asked to get tested. The shop was promptly disinfected. She received a positive test result so the decision was made to proactively close the shop for two weeks, despite a huge loss in revenue during their busiest time of year. All employees are self quarantining, and getting tested during that time, including the manager who sent her son to stay with her parents for two weeks. To them the community’s safety is more important than the business’ bottom line. I’m sure they wish parents who allowed their kids to go to beach week would have considered the far greater ramifications to the community than just a healthy kid fighting off COVID! So while there is really very little risk of transmitting COVID through food I think they did the right and responsible thing!

Bye Don 2020

As I saw the cases in Loudoun spiking up, I remembered the comment threads at LTM and came over to see what sort of jujitsu the "let's open up already" crowd was doing to avoid looking like the over-eager, science-denying fools you'd be forgiven for thinking they were. Boom! Two comments in I'm discovering "everything was going well and then those unruly BLM protestors and kids at beach week messed things up. Shame on Democrats!" Ha! You can't make this stuff up...well, actually, they do but still, A+ for creativity.

springerdad

The overall cases in Loudoun have not really spiked up. What has changed is the demographic of who is getting infected.

Over all Northern Virginia including Loudoun has been trending down. The information is available for your consumption at the inside NOVA website.

New cases of coronavirus dropped again in Northern Virginia in Monday's report to 108, the second lowest daily increase since early April, as only 453 new cases were reported statewide.

https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/covid-19-trends-continue-to-look-good-in-northern-virginia/article_20c34a9a-ba04-11ea-ae9f-5b2fe5feacc8.html

amerigirl

There are those that st here that will always blame the democrats for everything. I doesn't matter what group they have to turn into democrats to do it.

loudouncommonsense

Wouldn't these be the very same kids who patronize LOCAL BUSINESSES, cause they live here? So...with everyone in a rush to "open up" don't we now have a new, potential high risk situation developing in Loudoun?

All you anti-public health, anti science and "only money and business is important" commenters please feel free to weigh in.

springerdad

Today it is the kids. Tomorrow it will be some other reason for you and then the next day you will find a different excuse. It is so easy for a person like yourself who is well off money wise to tell others what to do.

amerigirl

Disagree, I would love to see everything reopen, but until the enforce the mask violators how safe is it? I think a $1,500 fine would make them start to wear masks.

Voltaire

AG--I believe that the Governor's Executive Order concerning wearing of face coverings includes language that makes it a Class 1 Misdemeanor if someone isn't wearing the mask. That class of violation includes jail time and/or fine. Jail time would make people pay attention to it. The fine would too.

springerdad

Voltaire - Northem gave an out where for any medical reason a person can avoid wearing a mask and they do not have to provide any information to the business owner or the police.

amerigirl

Gov. Ralph Northam’s response to business owners is to educate the customer why face coverings are important for the health and safety of everyone, offer them a mask, and deny service if the customer still refuses to wear one. You may not be required to wear one but they are not required to serve you either. You may not be prosecuted or fined but you may not be served either.

springerdad

AG - Please tell me where in the EO 63 it is up to the business to educate and then offer to wear a mask?

6. Persons with health conditions that prohibit wearing a face covering. Nothing in this Order shall require the use of a face covering by any person for whom doing so would be contrary to his or her health or safety because of a medical condition.

Any person who declines to wear a face covering because of a medical condition shall not be required to produce or carry medical documentation verifying the stated condition nor shall the person be required to identify the precise underlying medical condition.

https://www.governor.virginia.gov/media/governorvirginiagov/executive-actions/EO-63-and-Order-Of-Public-Health-Emergency-Five---Requirement-To-Wear-Face-Covering-While-Inside-Buildings.pdf

amerigirl

Springer

Those were Northam’s words. Where does it say in EO 63 that any business has to let you in without a mask? They don’t, they can deny you service. Stores are also allowed to implement their own policies for customers to wear a mask, as long as the policy is not discriminatory. I only know of 1 person with that problem and she calls ahead and asks if she can shop there. They usually have a clerk accompany her.

Schten

Not just patronize but work at local businesses!

william g gruff

Absolutely related to beach week. I personally know of a couple kids that tested positive and many more that were exposed. Evening having this knowledge, both the kids and the parents, they still did not practice any safety measures and in fact more than a few went to graduation. These Parents and kids couldn’t be any more selfish if they tried. I honestly hope they all get. Not die, just sick and feel like the pieces of cr@p they are.

Loudoun4Trump

I guess the kids brought something back with them from beach week....glad they are young and hopefully all will fight it off and be immune for the future....getting COVID is not a death sentence for the young.....they will survive.....they will get by....

amerigirl

Couldn't they have brought back shells? They might be alright but what about the people they have been in contact with like their parents? It is the younger age groups that are filling up the hospitals in Texas.

lococpa

ummmmmm maybe there is a correlation between entering phase 2 on June 12? of course there will be more positive cases if more people are going out in public. duh.

northernobserver

"Over the past week, 150 people between the ages of 16 and 18 years old tested positive for COVID-19" Beach Week coincidence??? Nahhhhh. I feel for those kids.. No prom, No graduation, then they go to beach week and get socked with it. Living through history, sure. But it must really stink right now.

springerdad

Every small business that just re-opened should add a hardware, pet food and produce section to it's store so it can stay open just like the big boys.

Please remember to wear your mask indoors.

Thebroof

After seeing democrats and the media support protesting, rioting, looting without masks, nobody takes covid seriously anymore.

amerigirl

Most had masks. Look at trumps rallies in Phoenix and Tulsa, where are the masks? Democrats didn't support any riots or looting, blame game over.

KK153

the entire state of Oklahoma has 13,172 cases in total as of today. How many are in the single County of Loudoun ?

amerigirl

Your comparison makes zero sense, Loudoun has 3,968, what are you trying to compare? Loudoun ha had the virus circulating for months and it is just on the rise in OK. You really can’t compare the two

Voltaire

AG--OK, I take issue here. Let's look at the pandemonium in Richmond. Mayor Levar Stoney (D) has done nothing to help restore calm in the capital. As mayor, he should be supporting his local police but he instead (1) fired the police chief; (2) blasted them and (3) made them apologize for properly using tear gas. Governor Northam offered him, correctly, the use of State Police and National Guard troops to help curtail this mayhem but he refused those resources until the last minute. Furthermore, he has gone out and given "speeches" which further inflamed the situation. He is an embarrassment to the City of Richmond and should be removed.

amerigirl

I don't know which statement you are referring to.

Fiscalconservative

The democrats didn't do anything to suppress them either. It is silly citizens were not allowed to attend houses of worship and because of too many people together and yet nothing was done to stop protests, rioting and looting.

amerigirl

You seem to confuse a political party with an enforcement agency. It is not the job of democrats to suppress anyone. Wow, talking about a house of worship after trumpster tear gassed a group in front of St. Johns including the priest from there so he could have a photo op? How hypocritical. Like I said, the rioters and looters are the problem of the cops not a political party. I wish other people realized that like the KKK guy that drove his truck into a crowd of protesters or armed man who works as an airport police officer who was on the roof of a building overlooking the Robert E. Lee monument. I think that the rioters or looters and the citizens who think it is their job to control the situation are should all be arrested.

CindyLou

The broof….democrats? HA what a joke, so you have proof that no radical right wing Republicans were out there during the protest??? Oh wait....they were the ones burning, looting, smashing windows and throwing bricks blaming it on the BLM. The only thing America doesn't take seriously anymore is that racist nut bag President we have.

LetSanityPrevail

You should cite your sources and not just make up statements you can't substantiate. You seriously believe that ANTIFA is a peaceful organization? They are the choir boys and girls of the protest movement? Look at Seattle, these folks in CHOP Land are not right wing extremists, same for Minneapolis and Atlanta.

amerigirl

Have you seen any pictures of Antifa there? Even all the mayors and police say they haven't seen them, it was all a trump lie. Who do you think is going to CHOP and causing the trouble? Look at some of the pics taken at the marches https://www.adl.org/blog/small-but-vocal-array-of-right-wing-extremists-appearing-at-protests

springerdad

AG - So who is behind CHOP? Who is behind all the riots in Portland? How about the Occupy crowd in NYC?

https://www.phillyvoice.com/philly-protests-woman-charged-burning-police-cars-blumenthal-lore-elisabeth/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/nyregion/molotov-cocktail-lawyers-nyc.html

https://kdvr.com/news/local/suspect-accused-of-burning-down-police-station-in-minneapolis-caught-in-colorado/

https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/seattle-police-ask-for-help-identifying-man-suspected-of-starting-fire-outside-east-precinct/281-76e33acf-0f57-427a-ac3f-3df3b4b7d136

amerigirl

Springer, in your first article, the only mention of Anitfa is from a single commenting clown. Are the sisters suppose to be antifa in the second article? Third no mention of antifa again, or fourth, not even had the antifa trademark clothing. Just because trump wants to blame antifa does not make it so. Antifa is not even an organized movement like all those white nationalist groups, they don’t have a base, collect money have a hierarchy, none of that. Anarchists?? BLM?? Who knows? But why would you think it is antifa? They aren’t a huge organization or even close?

springerdad

AG - I asked who is behind it. I did not blame ANTIFA. God all you do is like to fight and don't even read the post.

The people doing these bad things belong to some group.

amerigirl

Springer, I read the post, you posted under a post about antifa being responsible for the problems in those places. Why would you ask who it was? Is there some magical answer you thought you would get? I made the statement that the authorities in these places said they didn’t see any Antifa and you came back with the remark ‘So who was behind it”, making it sound like it had to be them. How do you know who they belong to? Quite possible they have come together for the same cause and not belong to any group. No matter what I say you always have a comeback but then you say it is me that wants to argue. Maybe just don’t respond to me and you won’t have to worry about it.

springerdad

AG -

Good idea.

Voltaire

CindyLou--actually, the majority of the people committing criminal infractions and pandemonium probably are not either Democrat or Republican but rather do not participate in the political process as they are probably anarchists. No matter what political party, they should be dealt with using the authorized maximum force by the authorities to quell this mayhem.

amerigirl

Maybe, but they have been quite a few with right wing ties and they are the ones that are armed. Like I said before they had meeting boards and instructions that were posted on line on how to make it look like they were the left.https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/05/30/outsiders-extremists-are-among-those-fomenting-violence-in-twin-cities not to mention the KKK Harry H. Rogers, that was just arrested in Richmond.

Voltaire

AG--the point I was making with Mayor Stoney of Richmond is that he "...supports protesting, rioting, looting.." I think that he didn't care about mask wearing either.

amerigirl

I see that he supports protesting, but he has condemned the rioting and looting and made curfews. He contacted Northam and also announced the Virginia National Guard will be ready to respond to Richmond, if needed.“We welcome folks to come and peacefully protest and peacefully demonstrate. However, what I was taught as a young man still follows me today is that two wrongs do not make a right,” he said. “The injustice that occurred to George Floyd and others -- that is wrong. The destruction of property, the damage to property -- that is wrong as well. Two injustices don't make a right. That doesn't create justice.” He wears a mask, but he can't do anything about protesters being outside and not wearing them.

BigDaddyVA

The popular Tipped Cow ice cream shop in Purcellville announced today that one of its (asymptomatic) employees tested positive and they are closing for two weeks.

amerigirl

That always has such a bad sound when it involves food other people eat.

springerdad

By now, many of us have stocked up one pantry staples like pasta and canned soups as we hope to flatten the curve amid coronavirus (COVID-19) fears. But what happens when you want to try a little something different while supporting local businesses?

Is it safe to eat takeout food? Should you be worried to eat food prepared by someone else during this time?

UC Davis virologist Erin DiCaprio specializes in community food safety. She was interviewed by Sactown magazine to help dispel some concerns we may have about takeout food. Here is an excerpt from the article:

Can COVID-19 be spread through food?

There is currently no evidence that there can be any transmission of the virus through food.

Let’s say someone who has the virus is cooking and they cough in the food and you then ingest that food. What happens to the virus that makes it nontransferable?

Good question. What we know about SARS-CoV-2 [the virus that causes the fast-spreading disease COVID-19] is that it's transmitted via respiratory droplets. That means it needs to get into your respiratory tract to cause infection. In contrast, foodborne viruses are transmitted by the fecal-oral routes – you actually have to eat those particular viruses, like norovirus or hepatitis B, in order to get an infection.

How safe would you consider takeout food or food delivery?

When we talk about food safety, there's never a zero-risk situation. There's always some level of risk. Based on our current understanding of the transmission of SARS-CoV-2, there's nothing that really points to food being an important vehicle for transmitting the virus. If someone has an active SARS-CoV-2 infection and they cough on packaging, there is the potential for someone to then touch that packaging and subsequently touch their mucous membranes. At that point, the virus can enter their respiratory tract. But I would say the risk of that is very low. If you're getting takeout and you're concerned about who's handling that food, the best thing to do is wash your hands before you consume the product. Take the food out of the packaging, put it on a plate, and then wash your hands before you eat.

https://health.ucdavis.edu/good-food/blog/eating-takeout-amid-covid-19.html

BigDaddyVA

Whatever is your point? And how does any of what you just plagiarized relevant to an ice cream parlor? Maybe you should tell them and not to close?

ace10

If someone provides a URL and specifically calls out the reference leading into the quote... that's not "plagiarism."

Eesh.

springerdad

Based on your response I am not sure you would even understand if I explained it to you. When you give credit to the source it is not plagiarizing.

amerigirl

How did this go from a shop closing, to plagiarizing?

Ellie Lockwood

I think it’s safe to assume that Juli Briskman, of coarse and vulgar “finger flipper” infamy, is the Pied Piper of the latest virus outbreak among young people. She promoted, supported and participated in a March with hundreds of yelling, screaming teenagers with no evidence of social distancing!!! This clueless hypocrite does not belong on the Board of Supervisors. #RecallBRISKMAN

BigDaddyVA

Except it’s been well over two weeks since there were marches locally. Swing and a miss for you and your absurd attack. Maybe sit this one out.

amerigirl

LOL good luck with that. How would she be a virus person? You just hate dems, get over it she won. I participated in a march, and it was far from screaming teenagers. There were families and people of all ages. You seem to have your mind made up about thing you don' seem to know anything about. If she didn't belong there she wouldn't have been elected. The people spoke.

Accountability

AG "I went out despite the government/scientific recommendations, but I'm not selfish!"

Quit saying "the people spoke". If the people spoke, millions would be in the streets. We would all be in the streets. The majority was at home practicing social distancing for the greater good.

ace10

Direct hit by the truth bomb.

amerigirl

Oh, please what a bunch of BS. What is that quote from? You have quotation marks, right? Haven’t you heard the term the people have spoken? I’m sure you have at least heard it on Survivor, when a vote is taken and they say the tribe has spoken. In my reply to Ellie (not you) I said that Juli Briskman was elected and that the people spoke, get it? How many millions of Loudouners do you think would be out in the streets for that? She was elected before the Coronavirus was around, so if you were at home social distancing why were you there? You don’t seem to realize that the march was in Phase 2, people only were told to wear masks inside and social distance whenever possible. People were wearing mask anyway and it was outside. Try being accountable for your own remarks

amerigirl

Ace you wouldn't know the truth if it hit you in the face. Again grow up and try commenting on the articles not the people posting.

BigDaddyVA

Those marches were three weeks ago, outside the 2-week window when cases would show up. The article traces these new cases back to beaches. Delaware has a spike now.

Accountability

Look up Emily Cristofaro and Taylor Body. Organized a BLM march on Nextdoor, then went to the beach. 20 somethings that were mouthing off to adults in the community about how you can't use COVID 19 to excuse racism.

amerigirl

Give a link then. I looks like the person you are talking about isn't even from Loudoun.

Accountability

AG - As a LTM frequent flyer, you know links don't fly. Google is powerful, but you have to do a little digging. I am sure you did but in case you're avoiding an inconvenient truth, pictures speak volumes:

Search - @itstaylorbody - clearly local, then heads to VB.

Search - @emil.lou - also very obviously local, and posts a pic clearly showing that no social distancing was adhered to. This is a good one because the same person was predicting that COVID would have more deaths than all wars combined, but a few weeks later is out in the streets.

If you're on NextDoor - search "BLM" and you'll see what I'm talking about.

This is the same as the "haircut mobs" and I think you're having trouble with that considering you were participating in marches during Phase II when social distancing guidelines were to avoid events of 50+ people, avoid events that could not avoid the general public, and to avoid getting together with people not in your household.

At what point do you realize you're beating someone else's drum and they don't care how foolish you look? We need everyday citizens to take off their jerseys and act with more humility.

https://www.governor.virginia.gov/media/governorvirginiagov/governor-of-virginia/pdf/Virginia-Forward-Phase-Two-Guidelines.pdf

amerigirl

account, I did google, Emily Cristofaro, - @emil.lou but where are pictures that show she wasn’t wearing a mask? Twitter is for twits so I don’t do it. It does not show up under Nextdoor? Links have been working fine on LTM for over a month now.

Accountability

Again AG - look them both up (I only saw the Insta). They organized it. There is a photo on one account that shows the march and there is zero social distancing. The other organizer is at the beach shortly after the march (maskless with potentially someone not in their household?)

The NextDoor post went out to 30 neighborhoods, so if you live here, you'd see it. I do like that you dodged most of the point and tried to reduce this down to one person wearing a mask.

For your next act, I'd like you to explain to the comment section how this is a good idea in a pandemic: https://youtu.be/xA8dTQnWnmE (this is LTM's youtube link about a big crowd in Leesburg).

amerigirl

Account, your you tube video went through, and it says right on it that the real organizer was Ron Campbell, they may have spread the news through nextdoor, but I don't see the problem. Every person in it was wearing a mask. That was the requirement for phase 2. How would they have spread it there?

CindyLou

Ellie Lockwood...….kinda like our no mask wearing, hiding and lying about the virus, racist, bible thumping nut bag President? Yea, those hypocrites will get you every time. Briskman is a breath of fresh air compared to our nut in charge President leading this country through this pandemic!!!

Accountability

CindyLou - you just typed the president is leading this country through this pandemic. Might want to report your own comment for abuse.

amerigirl

She didn't say he was doing a good job. And he is doing such a bad job that it is bringing his numbers down.

gtrunner

2.8 million people died in the US in 2017. 400,000+ from legal smoking that brings in a lot of revenue. Maybe we should focus some attention on death that people profit from while we also focus on death due to being close to people?

BigDaddyVA

There are lots and lots of public policy around smoking, but thanks for acknowledging that governments have a role to play. It’s important to point that out and follow their guidelines when they tell business to shut down and the like. I am happy you recognize that authority.

gtrunner

I recognize the hypocrisy. A government wants to save lives, closing businesses, while they tax cigarettes to make money rather than simply outlawing something that, if used as directed, will kill you.

BigDaddyVA

Weird whataboutism but you do you. The rest of us will stay on topic.

gtrunner

Well BigDa, the topic seems to be death. Perspective on how tolerant of death our society truly is may be helpful during this period of the sky is falling.

amerigirl

GtR, That last line sums it up. Some people think it is life as usual and try to ignore the FACT that there is a pandemic out there. They have no respect for others or the virus and only think of themselves. It’s like some invincibility syndrome, with them screaming and throwing things when told they need to wear a mask. So many Karens out there.

nobody

Many politicians would disagree considering they profit by protecting tobacco manufacturers.

Voltaire

Nobody--and the point is? There is nothing wrong with that, provided they do it lawfully.

gtrunner

Nothing wrong with allowing people to use a product that, if used as directed, will kill you while the government takes in tax dollars and people die, yet we can’t have businesses open because people will get sick and die at a lesser rate than smoking. Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy?

Voltaire

Gtrunner--tobacco products are a regulated/controlled substance and those individuals who, being the legal age to procure them, can buy them if they want to. That is their choice. The taxation of tobacco products is appropriate. The difference between COVID-19 and tobacco products is that COVID-19 is a very contagious disease and will quickly spread among various people rather quickly, as shown by graphic displays on the news. As for tobacco, there are regulations that tell people where they can go and use those products and in doing so helps to minimize the "death" consequences from 2nd hand smoke. I don't agree that there is sufficient data to support the premise that COVID-19 causes less death than smoking. As for businesses, there are businesses that are open during the pandemic.

ExitRamp

@GTR

---> "Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy?"

People choose cigarettes.

Coronavirus chooses you.

BrynLMiller

COVID-19 is a "novel" virus. That means we don't know what it will do today, tomorrow, next year to young or old. We have been through a tiny snapshot of time, all things considered. Assuming we know more than we do, that this will act like any other virus, is not the best course of action.

Voltaire

BrynLMiller--this is an excellent point that unfortunately many people don't want to acknowledge. Thanks for making it! [smile]

Fiscalconservative

These cases should be questioned if they participated in protests, if so then the others need to know for they may be carriers.

amerigirl

Or went to a trump rally. Most of the people that were at the protests wore masks, and they were outside.

springerdad

AG - How many Trump rallies have there been in Loudoun or D.C.?

amerigirl

They don't have to be here, even one person that posts here regularly said he was going to Tulsa. The people that attend these rallies come from all around. Where in the marches in Loudoun were people not wearing masks other than the idiots that were standing out with their guns?

BrynLMiller

Or if they brought it back from "Beach Week"...

amerigirl

Oh beaches, I remember those!

Voltaire

For the families that lost a loved one, I am very sorry for your loss and hope that you will find solace/comfort during this trying time. God Bless You.

gtrunner

Same for all other societal deaths. All deaths matter to someone and those left behind to smoking, car crashes, illness, old age and the remainder of typical 2.5 million deaths per year all the deserve the same amount of sympathy.

Voltaire

Gtrunner--that is a true statement. That is why I did not mention a specific cause, now did I? No, because my statement covers ALL of the ones you identified plus COVID-19.

t8erman

This quote of yours: "hope that you will find solace/comfort during this trying time", implies that you are referring to current world events and one can also imply it is related to the subject of the article. Just saying. Notice I did not mention a specific cause. ;)

amerigirl

t8erman why does t matter to you? It looks like all you want to do is pick a fight. Wrong place and time

Voltaire

t8erman--the part of my statement you quoted "...hope you will find solace/comfort during this trying time", your interpretation is incorrect. The "trying time" that you latched onto refers to the grieving that a family goes through after the loss of a loved one, no matter COVID-19 or non-COVID-19. Wow, this is a disturbing sign of the times when a person cannot express sincere condolences to other people without having it turned into a debate point. Makes me wonder just what type of community this is and what its values are.

springerdad

I believe that NOVA will be held in phase 2 longer which in the end will be the smart decision.

I think we also need to follow some of the other states and require people traveling from hard hit areas to self quarantine for two weeks.

nobody

It SHOULD stay in phase 2 longer but I don't think it will. Even if it does, people are going to think they are immune or that the virus will skip them, or they don't care if they get sick, and they're going to go out and spread the virus more than they already have. There are too many Americans, and people in general, who believe they're special little snowflakes who can do whatever they want regardless of how many people they end up killing.

NOVA has done well compared to many parts of the country, but that trend probably won't last week after week, month after month. Cheers to those who do try to do their share to not spread the virus. We'd be in a much worse situation if we didn't already have significant compliance.

DBC

Are you aware that when young healthy people get the virus and don't get sick that is a good thing? It gets us to herd immunity - a natural vaccine. Children and teens have a 1 in 4,000,000 chance of dying from COVID. Statistically, if every person in Loudoun under 20 got COVID, none would die, and we would be near (or past) herd immunity. Now, its reasonable to think you are saying, "but what about the older people?" True, those over 65 (75 really) with 2 or more serious health issues, are most at risk. In Italy, 96% of deaths in elderly had 3 or more comorbidities. Let's protect the elderly - care facilities and families need to be responsible, and get the rest of Loudoun back to work and life.

amerigirl

They are not even sure that herd immunity can happen with the Covid-19 because they don't know how long the antibodies last. Didn't they think that had happened in Calif, but then it started spreading again? Herd immunity does not work with all viruses, and this virus has been mutating. You might be immune to the virus before but not after mutation. I don't think you could reach the 20% threshold because even though more than 2.5 million confirmed cases of COVID-19 have been reported worldwide, studies suggest that no more than 2-4% of any country’s population has been infected with the coronavirus, even in hot spots like New York City that have been hit hardest by the pandemic,

BigDaddyVA

You are speaking nonsense. The herd immunity theory has been a disaster in Sweden.

nobody

I'm curious how you came up with that four million number considering we have even had 4 million documented cases in the US, yet there have been several children and teenagers who have died from covid-19. Everyone knows that elderly people are more susceptible. That's nothing new. Interestingly you haven't mentioned the people in the thirties and forties and fifties who run businesses and who are integral parts of the community who also are more susceptible than children to getting sick and dying. This isn't a virus that only affects the elderly.

springerdad

AG - Please check your numbers.

Editor’s Note: Additional testing found that 24.7% of people in New York City had tested positive for coronavirus antibodies, Governor Andrew Cuomo announced on Monday (April 27). In Westchester/Rockland, 15.1% people tested positive; in Long Island 14.4% tested positive; and in the rest of the state 3.2% tested positive. The state has conducted 7,500 tests so far. In total, 14.9% of people statewide tested positive for coronavirus antibodies.

https://www.livescience.com/covid-antibody-test-results-new-york-test.html

LeesburgFan

DBC - I agree with your point about the elderly, but we are a long way away from herd immunity. We need 60% of the population to have contracted the virus (although one new study from universities in England and Sweden suggests 43% is a new lower standard for herd immunity).

amerigirl

Part of that is getting immunity through vaccines and according to Fauci, he said it was unlikely the US will achieve herd immunity because of people that won’t get the vaccine. To have it happen there would have to be enough people with anti-bodies all at one time and as of yet they don’t know how long they stay with a person. If everyone got the vaccine during a short window of time it would be the best chance of creating herd immunity.

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@DBC

---> "Statistically, if every person in Loudoun under 20 got COVID, none would die, and we would be near (or past) herd immunity."

If Loudoun County has a demographic similar to the rest of the US, 25% of the population is 21 or younger. If every non-adult became infected, we would have a 25% natural immunity. Nowhere near the 60-70% threshold needed to reach herd immunity.

In fact, given the mortality rate of COVID-19, at least a million people would die over the course of 18-24 months before a natural herd immunity would be achieved.

---> "...care facilities and families need to be responsible"

Coronavirus knows no boundaries. It is very contagious. Your actions affect everyone. I'm all for opening up but we have to do it responsibly - social distancing, masks, and testing/isolation until such time that we have therapies or a vaccine. This is the new normal. Unfortunately, people are ignoring the guidelines and forcing us to shutdown again.

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@LF

---> "although one new study from universities in England and Sweden suggests 43% is a new lower standard for herd immunity"

Funny. The two countries who failed miserably while opting for "limited restrictions" in an attempt to manage coronavirus, create a new model to establish a 43% threshold.

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@AG

---> "Herd immunity does not work with all viruses"

Remember AIDS/HIV? When social distancing was performed with a condom? The human population would have been decimated trying to achieve herd immunity. BTW, we still don't have an HIV vaccine.

As you pointed out, we still don't know how long-lasting antibodies are. There has been one mutation so far - that being the version brought over from Europe. Different from Wuhan coronavirus but unfortunately more robust. Apparently, the mutation rate is very slow. So the question is not just can we achieve herd immunity but how many times.

Another consideration is that herd immunity is only as effective as the geographical region it covers. 70% infection does not mean it is evenly distributed. Travel to an area outside of the herd immunity, and guess what? You're vulnerable again. Herd immunity is a mirage. It's not a goal but a side-effect. The goal is to minimize deaths until such time that we have therapies or a vaccine.

amerigirl

Excellent idea. My niece is coming down from New York because her fiance is in Va and had to be vented. Even though it's not required she is going to self-quarantine while she is here, as long as she doesn't get any bad news.

DBC

Amerigirl - Let me cite some data from the CDC: "CDC researchers tested 11,933 people across six US regions during discrete periods from March 23 through May 3: the Puget Sound region of Washington, New York City, South Florida, Missouri, Utah and Connecticut. The samples were collected at commercial laboratories from people who came in for routine screening, such as cholesterol tests, and were evaluated for the presence of antibodies to the virus — which would indicate previous infection even in the absence of symptoms. The researchers then estimated the number of infections in each area. New York City, for example, reported 53,803 cases by April 1, but the actual number of infections was 12 times higher, nearly 642,000. In Missouri the number of infections was 24 times higher." I am sure you would agree that since April 1 there has been more spread now that lockdowns are over. But, using the 12% confirmed infection rate number to be conservative it means that as of a few weeks ago 25% of New Yorkers have had COVID. Now for the kicker - New York's current test positive rate is BELOW 1% (near lowest in country) despite riots, protests, and businesses opening up. Now, Cuomo's utter negligence in the death of 6,000 nursing home patients is NOT the recommended approach, but it sure seems like once we hit 20% infection rate, new infections plummet. If you respond, please do so citing actual sources and data. Thanks.

amerigirl

Cuomo's utter negligence as you call it or following the white house guidelines as he calls it, funny how that works. "I just want to reiterate once again that the policy that the Department of Health put out was in line directly with the March 13 directive put out by (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) and (Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services) that read, and I quote, 'Nursing homes should admit any individuals from hospitals where Covid is present,'"

I agree the rate is probably much higher than those reported mostly because people who had it couldn’t even get access to tests unless they had a doctor sign off on it because the government was so unprepared. At my husbands work they had 6 people get sick and only the one that had to be hospitalized received a test. The rest were told to self-quarantine for 2 weeks. Even with those numbers there is no guarantee of herd immunity, even with a vaccine. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fauci-herd-immunity-coronavirus-vaccine/ .

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@DBC

---> " but it sure seems like once we hit 20% infection rate, new infections plummet"

Wow. Who knew? DBC, please tell the rest of the medical community. They would be anxious to hear your findings.

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