NRA gun debate

The Loudoun County Board of Supervisors faced several residents opposed to amending the weapons and explosives ordinance in 2018.

With the signing of several gun control measures in Virginia this year, the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors directed staff at Tuesday's business meeting to begin investigating how the legislation will or could impact the county.

Several pieces of legislation from Richmond were signed into law by the governor, including SB 35 and HB 421, which allow localities to regulate firearms in public buildings, parks, recreation centers, and during permitted events.

The board voted 7-1-1 -- with Blue Ridge Supervisor Tony Buffington (R) opposed -- to the request made by gun control advocate and Algonkian Supervisor Juli Briskman (D). Supervisor Caleb Kershner (R-Catoctin) was absent for the vote.

“I just wanted to make sure that we follow up on these things as early as possible,” Briskman told the Times-Mirror.

Other bills staff will investigate include HB 674 and SB 240, which establish an Extreme Risk Protective Order, creating a legal mechanism for law enforcement to temporarily separate a person from their firearms if they are determined to represent a danger to themselves or others.

Another measure, SB 71 as enacted with the governor's recommendation, adds public, private or religious preschools and licensed child day care centers to the list of schools where possessing a firearm on school property or on a school bus is prohibited.

The Loudoun County Board of Supervisors flipped to a Democratic majority after last fall's elections. Gun control was one of the issues Democratic candidates ran on in the November election.

Moms Demand Action, which calls itself a “grassroots movement of Americans fighting for public safety measures that can protect people from gun violence,” has been active locally in seeking more gun control measures.

Ami Miller, a spokeswoman for Loudoun Moms Demand Action, said she’s pleased with Briskman's efforts.

"We're glad to see the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors take the crisis of gun violence seriously," Miller said. "After seeing the governor sign several gun safety policies, it's encouraging to see our local officials keep up the momentum and implement these new laws to keep our community safe."

Meanwhile, S. Chris Anders, director for the Virginia Constitutional Conservatives, said the board should “reject” these efforts.

“I'm hoping the board will reject this infringement on the constitutionally protected rights of free citizens,” Anders said to the Times-Mirror. “Law abiding citizens have the right to defend themselves and they have the right to due process and in these times only totalitarian politicians would ever consider imposing these type schemes on their constituents.”

Anders said the board is opening the county to “a lot of litigation” if any of the new measures are adopted locally. He said any adoption would create “gun-free zones,” and throughout the country most shootings occur in those “gun-free zone” areas.

Supervisor Buffington questioned whether asking county staff to provide information on legislation requires any action by the board.

“Frankly, I just see this kind of as a waste of time that the whole board is going to spend a lot of extra time on this item, and all it's going to be is an information item,” Buffington said.

He said if he had these questions he would just send an email to county staff and ask for the answers.

Ashburn Supervisor Mike Turner (D) responded by saying if all nine supervisors requested that information from staff, there may be nine separate interpretations of “this very complex” legislation.

“I think it's absolutely essential that we all be on the same sheet of music for these upcoming discussions, and I think this is an excellent way to establish a common baseline of understanding," Turner said.

No timetable was provided as to when the board should expect a report.

(117) comments

Guest

who is paying for this?

jke

Guns save lives!

amerigirl

Tell that to the families of the 58 people killed, or the 413 wounded at the Las Vegas shooting. Guns can save lives, they are meant to take them away.

ace10

Yup another one of those incredibly-safe "gun free zones." Actually two of them. Neither Mandalay Bay nor the Rte 91 music venue could provide adequate protection to the victims. Thanks for reminding us what happens in gun free zones!

Lawman

On man you gunnecks did not disappoint except on originality but you got the meter up on the whining meter. I think some tissues were needed. Man imagine you can’t take your assault weapon into a public park where MS-13, the Taliban, or some radical Black nationalist might have an L shaped ambush ready and your assault weapon would serve as the base of fire while you fat suburban warrior comrades assault the position or to Starbucks where a crazied housewife commando may get mad over her order and you with a full clip can put her down when she brings that 44 magnum out or any other silly scenario. The horror.

KK153

imagine you someday posted a comment that was based in any sort of logic or fact instead of emotion driven hysteria over perceived white nationalist around every corner.

LoudounClear

Right on, Lawman. Fat suburban commandos need those weapons to compensate for well...maybe small hands, maybe something else.

ace10

How about those of us that have healthy/normal BMI and live in the rural areas of Loudoun? You know... where the LCSO is 10-15 minutes away should the need arise. Care to make any other stupid generalizations about other peoples' safety?

ace10

I raise my middle finger to Algonkian Supervisor Juli Briskman(D). Do I now get elected to an office to which I otherwise have no qualifications?

amerigirl

Do you know her qualifications or are you just making a remark you know nothing about?

KK153

maybe they can start their "data collection" in Sterling Park. They can ask MS 13 members what the great impact these new "safety" laws have had on their activities.

ace10

That is a solid idea.

amerigirl

Are you and Ace volunteering? You might get some answers, though I don'y think that guns are their specialty.

ace10

So you're an expert on the deadly weapons that a violent Latino gang use here in Loudoun? Please enlighten us all

Uncommonsense

It is crucial to collect this data as soon as possible, even before the laws go into effect, so we can publish the results before the real data starts to conflict with our political agenda. Time is of the essence!!

ace10

Regardless of where you stand on the issue of the 2nd Amendment, all sides should be gravely concerned about the outright lies being pushed in this comment section. This is a serious issue. The right to protect oneself and one's family is a basic human right, and those who will push false narratives and outright lies should be called out and rejected by all.

amerigirl

What lies??? Call them out then and stop preaching.

ace10

Stop preaching? STOP LYING!

amerigirl

like I said, you want to call them out than do so.

LetsBreal

"request made by gun control advocate and Algonkian Supervisor Juli Briskman (D)"

Same Juli Briskman who threw the President Trump the middle finger and lost her job over it?

2nd amendment of the Constitution: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

amerigirl

And what does her freedom of speech (1st amendment) have to do with your statement? Who has taken that right away?

LetsBreal

First sentence is a quote from the article.

Second sentence is a HISTORICAL FACT of what transpired.

Third sentence is a statement consisting of the wording of the second amendment.

amerigirl

Let's, so what does your second sentence is a HISTORICAL FACT mean if it involves her freedom of speech? You want to expand your 2A rights to cover everything but she shouldn't have her 1A right?

LetsBreal

She's free to exercise her right to free speech. People are also free to know her mindset as she works to infringe on their rights.

amerigirl

Lets, know her mindset as she works to infringe on their rights? I believes she speaks her mind and what are you a mindreader?

romano

it is mind-boggling to read the ignorance on guns, personified by amerigirl, in this thread. So much cluelessness and misinformation. Schools aren't gun free zones? Good grief indeed.. Liberals are scared of their own shadows.

ace10

We read stories about DWI arrests each and very day. Two innocents were mowed down by a drunk driver only few months ago. Why hasn't the BoS instructed county staff to find ways to stop this deadly threat? Instead, they're looking for ways to remove Constitutionally-guaranteed rights from law-abiding citizens. Drunk, imparied and distracted driving is a REAL threat to the residents of Loudoun. Let's pass more laws to make it MORE illegal to do so. Should solve the problem, right?

loudouncommonsense

ace10: off topic so irrelevant to the discussion

ace10

Off topic? Hardly. I'm reading that these gun laws pertain to "safety." Presumably that's the safety of Loudoun residents. Drunk/impaired/distracted drivers are actually KILLING people in Loudoun. We see reports of them being arrested EVERY DAY. Second, third, and even fourth offenses. I want more safety for me, my family and the rest of Loudoun drivers when they are out on the roads. Why isn't the BoS looking into this "safety" issue? Do you consider this to be irrelevant because the goal of these gun laws isn't really "safety?" Did you just expose yourself as as caring not about safety and only about taking away the rights of others?

amerigirl

Very[offtopic][offtopic][offtopic]. It is to see if safety laws are working that were created by the county. It is about addressing traffic laws created by the state.

ace10

More lies posted by someone claiming that this story concerns county ordinances. Out of control.

amerigirl

And how would you propose the BOS do anything about Virginia state driving laws?

ace10

How do YOU propose the BoS do anything Virginia state gun-grabbing laws?

amerigirl

Ace Exactly, they can't. They are doing a study not rewriting laws. They can't do anything that would loosen the laws but they can make them more restrictive where necessary.

LetsBreal

It's not their job.

The Board of Supervisors sets county policies, adopts ordinances, appropriates funds, approves land rezonings and special exceptions to the zoning ordinance, and carries out other responsibilities set forth by the State Code. The Board appoints a county administrator, who manages county operations; the Planning Commission, which serves in an advisory capacity on land use issues; and various other boards and commissions.

Lets not give the incompetent Board of Stupervisors any more power than they already have. Let law enforcement do what it's supposed to. If anything, I'd like to take power away from the BoS and neuter it as much as possible. Return powers to the individual citizen over their own lives.

amerigirl

Really, and you think al those individual citizens will have what is best for the community in mind or will they be thinking abut themselves? Have you seen some of the stupid things people do?

LetsBreal

AG - I've seen the stupid things the Board of Supervisors does like give $25 million to Loudoun United, plus giving them rent deferral which other businesses and organizations could never get. Reminder - Loudoun United has 35 players. That's 700K per player. I 'm sure they have other employees. However, compare that to a the price of a house. This group of people has piss-poor judgement. They should be removed from office for abusing the tax payer. The BoS should have as little power over our lives as possible.

Stop defending the indefensible.

ace10

I've read the stupid things some people write. Where they're comfortable because they have a steady source of household income from their spouse. And only look out for themselves. Dismissing others' needs. Yeah, those people are really awful.

amerigirl

Lets, United brings commerce into the county. Stop saying that anyone that disagrees with you is defending the indefensible, It doesn't work.

LetsBreal

AG - I don't give a damn. The BOS is taking money from the EARNER (tax payer) and spending it where THEY see fit. In doing so, they are depriving the other businesses and organizations that would have freely earned the tax payer's business through performance and feedback from the consumer. The BOS is artificially deciding winners and losers rather than allowing the people that earn their money to decide where to spend it. They need to go away and get out of our lives.

This is exactly what brought the Soviet Union and iron-curtain countries down and why Cuba and Venezuela are in shambles. Central planners that think they know better where to spend money than the earners of that money. It reeks of elitism, something you leftists glom onto.

amerigirl

Lets, quite an overexaggerating statement you have going there. How would you propose that hey let people to decide on how the money is spent? They do have somethings on the ballots, but if you are not happy with what they propose you are free, under the first amendment to let them know. You can call, write, geeze, you can even start a petition. What board hasn’t done the exact same type of thing? There are always going to be people who disagree with them. You don’t really understand what happened with the countries you mentioned, perhaps you should study a little history on them. That’s something you righties do all the time, use falsehoods as a defense of their explanations.

LetsBreal

AG - “How would you propose that hey let people to decide on how the money is spent?”

LOL – Is this a trap? Hilarious. Maybe not spend the money to begin with and allow the EARNERS to keep more of what they earned, by not taking those taxes from the tax payers in the first place? Let people decide where to spend their own money?

Is this rocket surgery for you?

RoundHillGuy

Welcome to the hundreds of new gun owners who lined up dozens deep and bought every gun that Loudoun Guns, Purcell Guns and Beans and Bullets had on the shelves and every round of .9mm, 12 Ga and 5.56 The stores had in stock at the beginning of the pandemic.

loudouncommonsense

Excellent.....they'll have less money to spend to compete with the rest of us for food, where meat prices are already rising.

Talk about spending money on things that you mostly can't use except to brandish for enhancing your feeling of... uh...shall we say "personal power enhancement."

I would think a freezer full of food would be more useful, unless these people plan on armed robbery of their neighbors food?

amerigirl

What are they gong to do, shoot the virus?

ace10

How about the (D)'s on the BoS instruct the county staff to find a correlation between these two data points? (1) Virginia has one of the LOWEST violent crime rates in the nation. (2) Virginia has one of the HIGHEST gun ownership rate in the nation. The could probably have it figured out by lunch time.

amerigirl

Because it was safety laws put in place not crime laws? They want to see if it is safer, like have less building been shot up since the laws were put n place.

ace10

So you support the BoS not taking steps to address Drunk/Impaired?Distracted driving? OK, got it!

amerigirl

ACE, OMG. Virginia sets the laws regarding Drunk/Impaired?Distracted driving. Not the county. The county can make things like municipal codes for parking or slow zones, that type of thing. Why do you try to prove your point with comments like ‘OK, got it!’ like you are better than everyone else? I really could have made quite a few statements about you and that remark but I’m not going to be that way.

ace10

This story is about the BoS exploring the STATE LAWS passed earlier this year. This has nothing to do with County ordinances. NOTHING. Good grief. Read the story. Your lies are piled high and deep here.

amerigirl

Ace, you are right, its a state law. But traffic laws have been around forever and this is a study to follow up how the new gun laws are affecting the county. It isn’t about digging into old laws

hardworkingamerican

marv, not sure if you meant to make this point but you are right. Speeding laws are a stupid joke. Do you drive? Try going down route 7 at 55 mph. You will be run off the road, honked at, given the finger and also pose a threat because you disrupt the flow of traffic, including police officers. THAT IS A FACT. So laws are only obeyed by "some" citizens. No one here or anywhere in Loudoun obeys traffic laws. So bad example. Why don't all of you watch Forensic Files tonight. Good homework. See how many insane ways people kill others for sometimes no good reason at all not in self defense. They are calculated and premeditated and no law will stop that, but laws do hurt others from protecting themselves. Not only that but the creative ways that they accomplish these insane murders. The only way you stop crime...ok, wait for it...is to make the punishment, harsh, permanent, sever and irreversible. But instead "Coonman" and other liberals never met a criminal they did not want to let out of jail. Liberal policies imprison the innocent and release the criminals. Just look at the 3T Pelosi bill. Sick Sick Sick...

amerigirl

I would have to say if that is happening to you then you must not be a good driver. RANTING!!!

marv

I did. Well said.

loudouncommonsense

blah blah blah you are all opinion and no statistics. It makes it appear that you have nothing to back up your wind.

Duncan Idaho

I just want to know what size rocket launcher I can carry around Home Depot. Same for the thermonuclear weapon I'm constructing in my garage. TIA.

amerigirl

Why not , they carried a rocket launcher along with tins of guns in to a subway in N.Car. Nothing says freedom like gathering en masse to inflict fear and terror at a family restaurant.

amerigirl

Marv, explain. That is the truth but you think it can't be made fun of? It was sarcasm.

marv

An attempt at facetiousness will not alter the truth.

AFF

Me thinks the people unwilling to wear masks in public to stop a well documented pandemic are the very same people who insist on carrying guns in public to stop imaginary shooters.

Real life just isn't as exciting as fantasy gun play.

More Cowbell

Not a gun owner but think there is a compromise to gun ownership. However I don't get why any Dem/US citizen would defend illegals, criminals and terrorists in Loudoun(or US)? Or how come the Dems haven't figured out bad people still find a way to get guns and kill, not 1 bill has come close to changing that.

Wearing a mask helps to protect identity of criminal during robberies/rape.

amerigirl

That is why some of the gun safety laws such as having to lock up a gun and having to report a stolen one were passed.

amerigirl

I am a gun owner and I have no qualms with safety laws. People are people and should be treated as such. The biggest terrorist problem in this country right now is domestic terrorism. Have you seen the arrest from people threatening to give the virus to others? That is what they are arrested for. The violent threat we face today from far-right extremists make up most of it. Last year, a joint intelligence bulletin issued by the FBI, Homeland Security and National Counterterrorism Center warns that domestic terrorists who have been radicalized by white supremacy and opposition to abortion could look to attack. “In fact, there have been more arrests and deaths in the United States caused by domestic terrorists than international terrorists in recent years,” Assistant Director Michael McGarrity, the head of the FBI's counterterrorism division, told a Congressional House panel in last May. Creating laws on gun limits and reporting stolen guns, and requiring guns to be locked up makes it harder for the bad guys to get guns. So how does that not change it?

ace10

That's hilarious. Wearing camouflage clothing... bad. But wearing clothing appropriate for the opposite sex... g̶o̶o̶d̶ GREAT!

amerigirl

Don't forget the thrill of plying dress up in camo.

marv

Severe gun laws affect crime the same way traffic laws affect speeding.

BLT

You're right. And look how much bad driving is occurring during this pandemic when traffic laws aren't being enforced as evenly as they were prior to COVID-19.

amerigirl

You must mean it cuts down on it. If only gun owners need a license that could be taken away for abuse.

LoudounPulse

This law about "determining if somebody represent a danger to themselves or others" will fail once it gets to the Supreme Court. It is a backdoor that allows "Legal" gun owners to have their 2nd Amendment right violated based on an opinion without being convicted of a crime.

It's just a matter of time until some Anti-Gun DA takes somebody's guns without due process, the case goes to SCOTUS, and they rule this is a 2nd Amendment violation.

marv

In the meantime how many innocents (like the man in Maryland) be killed because someone has a grudge against them.

RandomName2019

You might want to spend some time reading recent SC rulings on gun rights. I know that it's not a popular thing to point out, but the most conservative members of the court have indicated that some limitations on firearms are not unconstitutional. Current protective orders that remove guns from people haven't been overturned and this one is unlikely to be as well.

amerigirl

The Supreme Court has gone a decade without deciding a major 2nd Amendment case. They just declined to hear another in April. What makes you think they will hear that case? If you believe that people can’t lose their rights for mental reasons then why are so many in mental institutions and lost their right to freedom?

hardworkingamerican

Great comment about the popcorn. All you have to do is look at a city in any liberal state. Chicago for example, super strict gun laws. You know good old Obama's home town that he never talked about or even admitted caring about as they racked up shootings and murders the way Northam racks up abortions. Just look at Florida, they just released this Williams "i'm non-violent" from jail cause he was "so scared" he would get Corona with his lime...and now. LOOK>>>He's charged with second-degree murder, resisting an officer with violence, felon in possession of a firearm, possession of heroin and possession of drug paraphernalia>>>oh but other than that he is a fine upstanding citizen. Point being all you will do is disarm people and make our most precious sitting ducks. But go ahead Northam/"Coonman"/"Blackface" or whatever you want to be called and attack the honest hard working citizens that know law enforcement has a BIG ZERO chance of making it in time to protect you. Oh maybe one of the county members will come out and legislate the person into submission. So people don't get too upset like...AG...I will stop so this isn't too long.

BLT

Glad you found a way to work your Coonman into the comment.

amerigirl

Any city in any state and you give the city with the highest crime rate? Crime is higher in cities because the population is higher. I hear my relatives telling me about how many guns in NYC are from VA, they have that same problem in Chicago, out of state guns. Since when did Obama not mention Chicago or Illinois? They still go there to visit. Then you start off on a rant about Florida and some guy which have nothing to do with the article but it wouldn’t be a true hardworkingamerican rant unless you get in all your racist jabs. Please tell me which of the new laws takes any guns away, if you are going to claim it you should say it. Rant rant rant

Loudoun1965

How in the world would your relatives know where the guns came from? Do they come with the label, "Purchased at the Nation's Gun Show in Dulles, Virginia?" Do people run around New York city shouting, "I got this cool gun in Virginia!?" But more to the point, worldperson, let's say I wanted to test the system. I could very easily say that you threatened me the other day, and I know you're a gun owner. I could call the police, describe the supposed threat, show them one of your comments where you brag about being a great shot, then the police show up and Red Flag you. Your gun just got taken away. Get it?

amerigirl

Loudoun, How can you be so simplistic to not know that answer? because it has it has been a long standing issue in NY and the guns they have confiscated have tracked back to VA .The largest firearms seizure in Brooklyn history, indicted of two dozen suspects, capped an eight-month probe of a Virginia-to-New York gun pipeline. Virginians have been arrested for running guns there, Damian (Havoc) King, 27, of Bristow, Va., Jacquan (Madcat) Spencer, 22, of Hampton, Va., and Levar (Wavy Boy) Shelborne, 29, of Richmond, Va.. ATF tracks guns when a “crime gun” is any gun connected to a crime that is recovered by law enforcement. About 74% of guns used in crimes there come from states with lax gun laws, and Virginia is the leader. If you had an understanding of the laws you would know that you can’t be red flagged with out real evidence. Only a family member or police can ask to have a gun removed.

LoudounClear

Stuff the popcorn in your ears, McHale. Time's running out on the gun nuts and you'll need something to muffle their anguished whining...

David Dickinson

The Supreme Court ruled the second amendment is an individual right. Rights can not be taken without the due process of law. A suspicion is not due process. Further, the second amendment states that the right to bear arms "shall not be infringed." "Infringed" clearly means you can't nibble away at the corners of this right, which is exaclty what Democrats are doing. If you want to change the second amendment, then do it properly with a constitutional amendment. Giving government illegal unconstitutional authority is not only wrong, but dangerous. Of course, we live in times where fear has become an accepted reason for suspending the constitution.

amerigirl

Which is why they have to go on more than a suspicion. The right to bear arms is restricted due to circumstances, like abuse, threat of self-harm. Why do you think felons lose their right to bear arms? It is for safety. Why would you even think that hey could take way arms on a whim? They don’t, it is a special protection order when it happens. Those people who are deemed by a judge to be a danger to themselves or to others. What do all you 2A people have against safety measures? The govt is supposed to protect the public, it’s their job. How does this in any way violate the constitution?

marv

For someone who professes to be a brilliant light, the bulb is a little dim when it comes to the bill of Rights. Read ALL ten.

David Dickinson

Felons lose their rights because they were CONVICTED of crimes. Until you are convicted, your rights are your rights. The Bill of Rights restricts the government from violating the liberties of individual citizens. Once the government decides it can take one right from you, the rest of your rights are in jeopardy. If they can take your firearms, next they might unconstitutionally force you to close your business or prevent you from going to public areas or wear stupid facemasks. Oh, never mind...

amerigirl

David, which is why guns cannot be taken away with out the judge signing off on it. They sign off on it, just like they do for an order of protection. If people should be deemed by a judge of not being worthy to have that right because they may a danger to themselves or others, they lose that right until they are no longer a threat. How about the rights of the abused from which the abuser’s gun was taken? So you don’t respect the people around you enough to wear a mask? That is half the reason we can’t open; people won’t follow the guidelines. The you have the real nut cases that shoot people and resort to violence for telling them to put on a mask in an establishment that requires one.

amerigirl

Marv, I have read and studied the entire constitution in school. First, since you had to make a lying derogatory remark about me, when did I ever "profess" to be a brilliant light? I have repeated that I am capable of reading the facts, right? So give an example of me saying that, lease, I await your nonsense. Next what are you talking about with the constitution? Read the entire bill is not very descriptive.

Lawman

This Is going to be entertaining There will be some world class whining on this one. Limiting where people can take their guns always brings out the best in people. Let’s go gunnecks, let’s here it!

Loudoun Observer

It's really sad how all these folks left Fairfax for what it had become, then came out here and still voted in the same way that created the problems they fled.

RandomName2019

People left Fairfax because it got too expensive, not because of some imagined bogeyman created by Democrats. Give it 20 years and people in Clark will be saying the same thing about Loudoun.

amerigirl

What makes you think they left Fairfax? How would you even know? To me it looks like there is a growth of businesses that have transferred people from out of state when they open new locations. Do you have any proof?

Countyrez

I can save everyone a ton of time. The impact to Loudoun should be a reduction of gun violence, shootings, and all gun related crimes to near zero, right? If not, at a minimum, a significant and noticeable reduction, and surely will prevent a vast majority of potential gun violence crimes, that was the promise afterall wasn't it?

amerigirl

Uh no, they were gun safety laws, so how would that work? What promise? The laws were inspired because there were so many houses and property of others that were damaged. How many homes have been hit since then? The new laws require background checks on all sales, which keeps them out of the wrong hands. Limiting the amount of sales a month mostly to deter people from buying mass quantities to take out of state. Protections for children, who can have a problem with that? And reporting stolen guns. I would think any responsible gun owner would want that.

CindyLou

You can't take guns on a plane, on federal property, museums, hospitals, or schools. Why should you be able to take them to the park? In a recreation center? I have a gun, leave it in the damn car or at home. WTF needs a gun at the local park? I guess people that want to shoot other people, animals or some type of little man syndrome. Go figure. As Chris McHale said, I am grabbing my popcorn waiting for the usual responses about "taking away my rights" and "my right to bear arms per the second amendment" and as Trump said today....TO PROTECT THE POTATOS!

ace10

True or False: Do the vast majority of mass shootings occur in so-called "gun free zones" which include many/most of the places you listed? True or False: Do the vast majority of gun-grabbing loons who claim to "own a gun" regularly practice or train with the firearm?

amerigirl

false, mass shooting can happen in schools, in general most shooting do NOT occur in gun free zones. Why would someone who owns a gun not practice? Prove otherwise

ace10

Schools ARE gun free zones. Good grief you are dense.

amerigirl

Ace you really do have a reading comprehension problem. Let me repeat mass shooting can happen in schools however most (mass) shooting do not happen in gun free zones. Speaking of dense, read it all before you make your statement that reflects your stupidity.

ace10

Another lie. The VAST MAJORITY of mass shooting occur in venues where law-abiding citizens are prohibited from protecting themselves. This is a FACT. Even the leftist media acknowledges that this is the truth.

amerigirl

Ace, trump said that and got Two Pinocchios. among 133 mass shootings between January 2009 and July 2015, 70% took place in private homes while 13% took place in "gun-free zones," where carrying of concealed guns were prohibited. Another 17% took place in public areas where the carrying of firearms are allowed. Looks like there were less mass shootings in gun free zones, only 13%. so no the VAST MAJORITY OF mass shooting DO NOT occur in gun free zones.

scottva

But you must wear your masks. I wonder if the Dems are counting on criminals honoring the social distancing guidelines of maintaining 6 feet from others and then crime will go down.

amerigirl

That is as crazy as saying you need to carry weapons and launchers to eat at subway.

ace10

"Moms demand action" is an astroturf "movement" funded by NY'er Mike Bloomberg. Can these people at least be honest about something? Bloomberg is a billionaire who is surrounded by men with guns 24X7 but doesn't believe that law-abiding Americans should have the right to possess a firearm outside of their homes. Hypocrisy at its very finest.

amerigirl

Why does it matter who funds it or who doesn't? It's his money and their legwork that make it possible. I guess you want to say where the rich can donate? There are alot that back the NRA if you want to get into it. But you really got that statement WRONG!!! They believe that only believe that law-abiding Americans should have the right to possess a firearm outside of their homes, not mentally unstable or abusers.

ace10

In their own words.... they claim to be a "grassroots organization." Which is a lie. That's why it matters. There's NOTHING grassroots about them. The NRA isn't a grassroots movement, either. So what's your point? And please, stop it with the lying. M Bloomberg is ON VIDEO stating that Americans shouldn't have guns out in public. It's one of his most fundamental beliefs. THIS IS A FACT. Go push your lies somewhere else.

amerigirl

Ace, again you do not know the meaning of the word. A grassroots organization is one which uses the people in a given district, region, or community as the basis for a political or economic movement. They do that. Many grass root org. have a central headquarters. Where in the 2A does it say that carrying a gun in public is a fundamental right?

LetsBreal

If you require venue to be specified, where in the first amendment does it state free speech in public is a fundamental right?

amerigirl

Let's, well yes it does. It says that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or ABRIDGING the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,

LetsBreal

VENUE? Do you know what it means?

ace10

You've refuted your own position. Again. It's comical. “Congress shall make no law... ABRIDGING the freedom of speech..." Your emphasis added. So free speech is something that cannot be taken away. And then we have the 2A "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED." My emphasis added. See the similarity? I hope so. Because it was done intentionally in order to guarantee certain Rights to the people of this nation.

amerigirl

Lets, do you know the meaning of ASSEMBLE?

LetsBreal

Do you know what the meaning of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED means?

amerigirl

Lets who has INFRINGED your right to own a gun? NOBODY, they are safety laws. So I have to ask, Do you know what the meaning of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED means?

jke

The question is will any restrictions make any difference and the answer is a resounding, NO!

amerigirl

So just shoot them. Yes it will make a difference. A lot less houses getting hit already.

Chris McHale

Grabbing my popcorn for the usual response for and against gun control.

John M

This comment wasn't funny on any of the other 15 articles you posted it under.

Chris McHale

Not trying to be funny. Simply pointing out that not one person has changed their position despite all of the back and forth on this and all of the other political articles.

springerdad

Chris -

The same 10 to 15 people post the same thing over and over each day. It is amusing to watch and read.

amerigirl

Or some people just don't have a sense of humor.

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