Two more Loudoun County residents have died as a result of COVID-19, state health officials reported on Friday, bringing the county's total number of the coronavirus-related deaths to 51.

The age breakdown of the deceased is as follows: 37 have been 80 years old or older, 10 have been between the ages of 70 and 79, three have been between the ages of 60 and 69 and one between the ages of 50 and 59.

Loudoun County's confirmed COVID-19 cases stands at 1,807 on Friday, according to the latest figures reported by the state. The case count increased by 107 cases since Thursday’s report.

One hundred forty-nine people in Loudoun have been hospitalized, and 8,197 tests had been given through Wednesday.

Results from Wednesday's county-sponsored drive-thru testing in Leesburg have not yet been recorded, according to a Loudoun County supervisor.  Approximately 1,700 tests were administered during the event.

In Loudoun, the Board of Supervisors accepted approximately $36 million from the federal CARES Act's coronavirus relief funds. A $6 million distribution will go to the seven incorporated towns, $156,000 to a number of nonprofits assisting with the impact of the pandemic and $5.7 million to COVID-19 business relief grants.

As for reopening, Dr. David Goodfriend, director of the Loudoun County Health Department, said he expects there will be an update this weekend to determine if Loudoun is meeting the measurements to enter the first phase of the reopening process.

Loudoun County is one of several localities, including all of northern Virginia, that is under the governor’s order to remain closed until at least May 29.

Statewide, the number of cases on Friday jumped by 813 to 34,950 cases. There have been 1,136 deaths, 4,145 hospitalizations and 223,433 people have been tested.

Virginia residents can now search case and testing information by ZIP code through the county's website.

A group of northern Virginia voters is suing state election officials over a loosening of restrictions on absentee ballots for next month’s statewide primary, arguing that the state can’t allow voters to use the coronavirus pandemic as an excuse to vote by mail, according to a report from the Associated Press.

State elections officials and Gov. Ralph Northam (D) have encouraged voters to use absentee ballots for the June 23 primary to prevent the spread of the virus at polling places. Because state law requires voters to list a reason why they can’t vote in person on Election Day, the Virginia State Board of Elections has advised voters they can choose the “disability or illness” option on the form.

The lawsuit says that expanding absentee balloting is unnecessary to combat COVID-19.

More information about the coronavirus and how to prevent its spread can be found at CDC.gov/Coronavirus and Loudoun.gov/coronavirus.

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Voltaire

It appears to me that there is a whole bunch of hypocrisy being circulated here in the comments section of this site. I see people here who advocate mandatory lockdowns as the ultimate answer to combating COVID-19. Yet, they fail to take into account that there are also other medical/social consequences (increases in alcohol drinking/drug use/domestic abuse/depression) as well as the obvious economic consequences in response to these measures. These individuals do not want to acknowledge them or believe that the concept of mandatory lockdowns may fail to prevent death from COVID-19. In one of his daily reports, Governor Andrew Cuomo of New York identified that there were people who did not go outside (following his state's stay-at-home order) and died from COVID-19 in their own homes. Yet, again, the mandatory lockdown advocates here do not either want to or can acknowledge that and believe that the ultimate answer is government intervention. Yes, there is a role for government intervention (be it Federal/state/local), within reason, for emergency circumstances. However, the last time that I checked, the United States of America is a democratic republic, not a monarchy or a communist/socialist authoritarian regime. People do have rights and they have be taken into account. For instance, why should the Commonwealth of Virginia, which Governor Northam looks to be headed to do so, tell every local area in the Commonwealth to wear a face covering/mask? Based upon Virginia Department of Health (VDH) data, there are some counties, notably in Southern/Western Virginia, where there is zero transmission of COVID-19 yet they now have to have their rights trampled on by the state government "for the good of all"? Why is that acceptable? If the mayor of the City of Richmond (the originator of the mandatory mask wearing idea) can't get his citizens to wear masks as recommended, why can't he issue an individual order for the city? Don't give me the "we are in this together" message that the local/central media keeps sending out. Those messages remind me of the propaganda that the Soviet Union or Chinese Communists would use to keep their people in line. Yet, as shown here in this discussion stream, we are being hypocrites as those who follow the "medical community knows all and we should do everything they say" are now slamming those individuals who happen to disagree with that community. Apparently the concept of "we are in this together" is false! We are supposed, if I believe these commercials, be united as one team to get through this not fighting amongst each other and calling out names/barbs. It appears that that concept is wrong. It should also be noted that even the medical community themselves have acknowledged that they don't have all the answers on this virus and the nation's top infectious disease specialist, Dr. Anthony Fauci, said on Friday on CNBC that this lockdown cannot continue indefinitely.

Now, for those individuals who say wearing a mask is the answer to fighting COVID-19, the answer there is not absolute either. Yes, a mask may help stop the spread however even the medical community said that it is not a cure-all. Everyone needs to follow ALL the rules of social distancing, not just mask wearing. The medical community worried that people would start wearing masks and then start acting invincible. Well, they were right. People in this area seem to think wearing a piece of cloth over their face makes them exempt from all the other required rules. For instance, I have seen more than my fair share of people in the grocery store wearing masks who don't maintain 6 feet of distance (either deliberately or not) and/or don't follow directional signage for the aisles in grocery stores. Yet, I have seen individuals not wearing masks who are following the social distancing guidelines. In addition, I have seen state guidance that says that you should wear a mask only if you cannot practice social distancing. So, if those individuals are practicing social distancing correctly, they may not need to wear a mask (until Tuesday when Governor Northam issues his order). For the record, yes, I do wear a mask but I have friends who don't but I don't slam them like the people on this blog do which is totally inconsiderate given we are all in this "together".

I am amazed at the amount of hysteria that COVID-19 (a coronavirus which is similar in biological makeup as the common cold) can cause in this county/state/nation/world. There have been pandemics throughout the course of human history and the world appears to have continued to move forward. To date, I don't believe that COVID-19 is going to end the world. Yet, there are people on this site that are literally freaking out about this virus and sound like they want to hide in a bunker indefinitely. Viruses will be here as long as time and people should understand that and take proper action to handle them. To shut the world down and hide under our beds is not the answer and will destroy this country through limitations in freedoms/rights, overreach by the public sector (executive branch (state/Federal/county)) in the name of public health, destruction of many Americans' livelihoods and many cases their own lives. Furthermore, thanks to Government spending that is out of control because now we have to fund everybody every day it appears through continuing numbers of fiscal stimulus bills in Government and the increase in the Federal Reserve balance sheets, it now appears likely that there will be massive amounts of borrowing which will need repayment in the future thereby raising the prospect of destructive increases in government taxation and raising the prospect of destructive inflation.Yet, our elected leaders don't seem to care and believe that the "sky is the limit" to fight the virus. It is yet anther example of "Government Gone Wild".

pual mase

Well said Voltaire

amerigirl

So Cuomo said they stayed home, he also mention the section of the city they were from. The big difference is the actual housing. The lived in not as well-kept apartments, with shared heating/Ac systems. Still it was a surprise but now we have a better understanding of how long it can live in the air. I hope you don’t think that because one is a democrat that they aren’t aware of the economic impact, democrats are going through the same pandemic as republicans. If the government wants to declare an emergency then there will be government intervention. This does not happen in normal times but these are not normal times and to blame someone for acting during an emergency as if it was a normal time is unfair. This is the time that everyone thinks their rights should be respected more than another’s rights. Why should Northam tell people to wear masks when doing inside business, because it is a declared emergency, it is his job to try and get it under control and get life back to normal as soon as possible. You don’t seem to understand that when there is a state of emergency and the gov issues an executive order he cannot pick out small localities to exempt from it without them asking for him to put out a revision like he has done for NOVA. Since he has stated that businesses that are indoor must wear masks, he can mandate it. Those business can be closed, fined or proprietors jailed. You are going with the communist examples that don’t really apply. How about others compare this to Nazi Germany where the master race can survive and too bad for the others? It can go both ways. Of course we don’t have all the answers, it is a novel virus. That only means we should be more aware that we can spread it. Fauci, said on Friday on CNBC that this lockdown cannot continue indefinitely why not finish that statement, the part about cities and states must balance that by not reducing social distancing measures too quickly. Fauci added that some places might be "jumping over that," and asked them to proceed with caution. Please remember that a mask keeps you from spreading it. They have said that it can live in the air up to 15 min if you cough or sneeze. You can stand in front of each grocery isle for that long before entering it. I think we are very close to reopening but I also think if people had taken more cautions like everyone wearing a mask we could have been open by now. Simplifying it by saying it is similar to a cold is what makes people not worry and start spreading it. Take it seriously so we can get past it.

Voltaire

Actually, there are several points that need some clarification. One, as the medical experts have said that COVID-19 is a coronavirus and the common cold is by biological makeup a coronavirus so that point factually valid. No one is saying that I am not taking it seriously so how you infer that from my posting? It is because, as I have said, that the collective majority cannot stand when someone has a different viewpoint that goes against the "mainstream" set of assumptions. I understand what masks can or cannot do. However, there has been debate about the effectiveness of those instruments. The World Health Organization, for instance, stated that masks were not effective. The CDC, on the other hand have waffled on the point. As someone who studied and have worked in Government, I am well aware of the role of Executive Orders. You are missing the point there. There are counties in Southern and Western Virginia with no cases of transmission. Why should the state tell them to wear masks? The state does NOT have to issue blanket Executive Orders but rather can target Executive Orders to apply to certain regions. They do that all the time with natural disaster/civil disturbance state of emergency declarations. If, as you claim, this is not normal time, then the state would be able to do that too. So, if NOVA, the City of Richmond, and Accomack County are hot spots, the the guidance should be applied. I understand that Government will intervene as needed. However, the role of the state in an emergency is clearly defined roles and one of those roles is not to intervene in every aspect of their lives.

I heard the other day that they wanted to ban singing/chanting in church as that would spread COVID-19. That is overreach by the state. If, as the collective majority wants, that everyone wear masks, then singing shouldn't be a problem, no?

Individuals have a responsibility to follow the guidance and make decisions. They shouldn't abdicate their rights/responsibilities to the state. As a student of political science, the examples of Communism/Socialism do apply. The collective majority is demonstrating the tactics used by those regimes by stating that its either my position or else. They do not want to hear any dissension as they tout the "we are all in this together" and will blast those whose views they don't want to hear. On the other hand, the comparison to Nazi Germany doesn't fit at all but makes a nice diversion from the point. Actually, it is the role of the health commissioner and his state organization, the Virginia Department of Health, that is responsibility to get it under control as they are the Governmental agency responsible for health matters in the Commonwealth. The Governor does not personally intervene in matters like that but provide leadership on the topic which, in the case of Northam, has been lacking as demonstrated in his performances at press conferences. He doesn't answer a single question but delegates. It is not unfair to blame Northam on his handling of this situation as he is an elected official and does have accountability when he does things that are wrong. He likes to point out that he is a doctor and trained in biological warfare so he should be able to better execute on the crisis. On the point about normal times, there have been pandemics throughout the course of history, and people didn't freak out as is happening in this pandemic. The world continued to move forward. So, how, precisely does COVID-19 make this "not normal"? The Spanish flu in 1918 killed approximately 678,000 people yet they didn't hide under their beds. They went with their activities and took precautions. There have been other pandemics that have caused more death and destruction and yet again the world moved forward and handled it. The hysteria about one virus is actually quite astounding.

Rick

The numbers are stark - in some areas of Sterling, the number of cases are equal to 5% of the population, the test rate remains a national embarrassment at ~2%, and the positive rate on tests actually performed is nearly 40%.

If you don't know what all that means, the net is we could be on our way to being the next Bronx or Queens - that enormously high positivity rate says there are certainly 100's of untested people who are spreading the disease in the community.

Our testing strategy is hopelessly inadequate, and the lack of testing ensures there will be thousands more cases in the coming weeks.

Eastern Loudoun is a hot zone and the state has no strategy to get it under control. And the press seems to have nothing to say, no hard questions for our "leaders."

The ridiculous test the other day was sheerly political - results in a week is useless.

VDH needs to open up multiple drive in centers, every day, with same day results. But they won't.

If I could, I'd evacuate.

amerigirl

The state has no strategy, then why are we on extended lockdown? Yes we definitely need more tests.

Voltaire

The premise that the state has no strategy is actually correct. The use of an extended lockdown is not a strategy per se, but rather is a mitigation approach, used to contain the virus, as discussed by public health experts. How much more testing? Is testing going to solve the problem? No, but it is an easy catch phrase. Does anyone have any plan for implementing testing? County/City wide (I believe that that is being done, not a lot) Statewide? (I believe that that is also being done at present but not a lot) nationwide? Mandatory testing? How are you going to make everyone comply as some people won't and that's their right as long as this country is democratic.

The answer is for the state/local departments of health to develop a comprehensive strategy that involves testing (selective), contact tracing, quarantining of individuals who are sick, and use of hospital (if warranted). The Federal Government is not responsible for executing this as in a public health emergency they are only responsible for policy guidance and logistical support. The state/local governments are responsible for the actual execution. I find it amazing that people want the Federal Government to do everything. This is not Europe where the central government can do everything and make commands. Here, the Federal Government cannot and should not. I don't know why everyone cannot grasp that as that concept is a basic concept in the management of public health in the United States.

amerigirl

V, According to all the experts we need more testing and that will help us know what is going on in the country. Trump doesn’t want to deal with it as he has repeatedly said, it’s too difficult. The entire country has done nearly 248,000 tests daily on average when most. Less than most individual states need. Birx said we need a community by community testing on Face the Nation. Pence said in an interview on "Fox News Sunday" that the U.S. is currently conducting 150,000 tests daily, though he said he believes that can double with the assistance of governors. Researchers at Harvard University, meanwhile, predict the number of daily tests needs to be between 500,000 and 700,000 in order for the country to reopen by mid-May. Yes testing is need to even know when, where, and how prevalent and the virus is. The states and local govs can have all the strategy they want but if they don’t have the supplies hw do they go forward? This is the USA, where we have departments of the government set up to handle disasters. We have HHS, FEMS, the CDC, all with greater capabilities than a state health dept. Your taxpayer dollars are going to all those agencies and they need to do their jobs.

Voltaire

Wow. I don't where to start with this comment. First, where are you getting your data to support your claims in the first paragraph? Can you prove that the county's test rate is a national embarassment? Probably not. i don't believe that you can compare Eastern Loudoun to either The Bronx or Queens as I believe that the geography and population of both boroughs of NYC are higher than Eastern Loudoun and the geographic density is far greater in the two boroughs.

I love the hysteria being demonstrated here. COVID-19 is a coronavirus with the same biological characteristics as the common cold (another coronavirus). Do we demonstrate this level of hysteria for the common cold? How about the flu? Viruses are a part of life and one has to deal with them. You can't hide under the covers and hope it goes away because it won't. Evacuate to where? The COVID-19 is found in all 50 states and over 180 countries in the world. You could move to some parts of Africa as the data suggests some countries there have zero cases. Good grief. As for the push for "testing at every street corner" as you propose, how do you plan for the state to pay for it? Raise taxes? Why should I have to pay increased taxes so everyone gets tested? How do plan to force compliance if you want everyone in Loudoun County to get tested?

LeesburgFan

10 COVID Hospitalizations at our two Loudoun hospitals this week per VDH site. Oh my, stop society. Keep it shutdown. Where's the crisis AG and all others who want to hunker down and bankrupt businesses and the 38 million on unemployment since the start of the "crisis"? We have not turned into death row Italy. Northam, Randall and our 6 BOS should be looking at themselves in the mirror each morning thinking "what have we done?"

amerigirl

You are mocking sick people? How disgusting. Businesses over people, always.

LeesburgFan

Enough of the personal attacks amerigirl......I am mocking no one, other than our officials who insist on keeping Loudoun locked down. Where is your head suggesting I am mocking someone? I wish everyone that gets this virus to regain their health. But this shutdown has gone on far too long.

Voltaire

Wow. How do you, AG, come to the conclusion that the individual is mocking sick people? There is nothing in this comment to support that baseless accusation. As to the comment about businesses over individuals that is not the context that should be looked at. It is the question over the role of the Government versus the role of the individual. It appears that COVID-19 has shown that the majority of Americans are willing to abdicate their individual rights/responsibilities and let the state overreach into their activities. I understand that COVID-19 has health impacts on both individuals and the world but Government overreach does as well. A lot of people have put a lot of time and effort into being responsible business owners and community citizens and now, thanks to the collective majority hysteria and Government overreach about its handling of the COVID-19 disease, will be lost as they go bankrupt. Those bankruptcies are wrong and need to be considered by Government as they imposed restrictions in a blanket like manner in the name of a "public health emergency" and did not consider the collateral economic consequences. Yet, it appears that based on AG's comment that is acceptable to watch people's livelihoods sink as "public health trumps all". That proposition is simply not acceptable at all.

springerdad

All I know there are a few posters here that would never want to meet in person. They are so wrapped up in political hate it has to show it self when they out in public. They claim to be so smart but are too dumb to understand how hateful they sound.

I will you all to continue to yell at each other each day. Wear a mask and open up Loudoun.

amerigirl

Sounds like a self description. Maybe some of the posters here are tired of being attacked and called names from people like ace and workhard. who never have anything nice to say or hardly ever comment on the actual article, just attack the people posting.

springerdad

Wow AG you amaze me every time. I did not call out anyone in particular and yet you have to jump right in with your biased opinion. Your failure to see that people on both sides are acting like idiots is not surprising but sad none the less.

pual mase

Maybe some of the posters here are tired of Amerigirl’s constant harping, criticism, lies, and political attacks. If she wasn’t expressing her dumb opinions everywhere, every time, she wouldn’t attract such so much loathing.

amerigirl

Springer don’t be so amazed since it wasn’t your name I posted. It was ace and workhard. It’s a comment section of course people put their opinions here, and 99% are biased, not just mine. Yes, people on both sides can be stupid, but people comment on what the article is about. I should not have separated the first 2 sentences. Now that I reread it I have to apologize, sorry. I didn’t mean you in particular. I meant it a description of certain people who post and have to call everyone nasty names and just expect others to accept it.

scottva

What are the Loudoun Liberals gong to do now? Their fearless leader and scientist in chief Fauci just said today: “We can’t stay locked down for such a considerable period of time that you might do irreparable damage and have unintended consequences, including consequences for health.” This is the same guy that testified in the Senate a week ago and said schools will likely be on lockdown in the fall. Who are you people going to swoon over and take direction from now??

I think that in the past (3) days, the CDC and Fauci have made the arguments quite clear that people like me have been saying all along. As far as I'm concerned, there's no more that needs to be said or debated. I'll just be watching LL posts for fun and will add whimsical comments just to see them spin. All HAIL FAUCI!

LoudounClear

That guy with the orange ferret on his head keeps Fauci working. How do you explain that? A Derp State conspiracy of some sort that our great leader's not able to do anything about when he heads a government that has 3 of the 4 seats of power controlled by his party? Take your whinning, not winning, elsewhere...

amerigirl

I know that one. A Business Insider poll conducted in late April found that significantly more Americans trust Fauci than trust trump, but trump is trying to dispute it. The one from April 30 found Dr. Fauci and Gov. Cuomo remain the leaders Americans trust the most when it comes to official advice on the coronavirus crisis, The least trusted were Trump and Kushner

scottva

You're absolutely right, It's all Trump and his supporters. If I had only listened to you a few weeks ago I would have understood much better. Thank you!

Voltaire

Good grief. I can explain it in that Dr. Fauci is competently perfoming his job in accordance with the duties outlined for his position. Donald Trump, whether you like it or not, is the President of the United States not the Leader of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) and therefore should not be referred to as "Dear Leader/Great Leader". While there appears to be no evidence of a "Deep State" conspiracy against the President, there is evidence that proved that there were some members of the civil service (Lisa Page, Agent Strock, Andy McCabe) that did commit unauthorized/improper activities. This idea was confirmed by the Inspector General of the Department of Justice through written reports and testimony. The last time that I checked, the Republican Party has control of two of the three seats of power (White House (Executive), Senate (Legislative)). You cannot consider the Supreme Court (Judiciary) as a seat of power as it does make policy or have power but rather interprets the laws and resolves legal questions. Ah, the classic line from the collective majority appears again when someone has a different viewpoint....either fall in line with the majority and leave. Again, this is not China or Russia or any other authoritarian communist/socialist regime and the individual does have the right to believe differently than you and to communicate that view openly in public. As shown recently with protests in Hong Kong, there are other places in the world that cherish that concept yet it appears that here we just take it for granted and now have decided to trample on it. That is simply wrong and the founding Fathers would be dismayed, to say the least.

nrc2112

I am not sure what you point is. Are you saying that he is giving conflicting information and changing his position? What have you been saying all along? What would you have done to mitigate this spread of this pandemic? Socrates

scottva

Bingo nrc2112. Positions will evolve over time, i'd be concerned if they didnt. However, to go from Americans dont need to worry about this and dont wear masks to everybody must wear a mask and lockdowns for the foreseeable future (as recently as last week) is a bit too much of a 180. Maybe not for someone like you. To help mitigate the spread, I've stayed in, plenty to do at home and have raised a lot of money for First Responders. Guessing more than you.

loudouncommonsense

I guess we should listen to the "Michigan Man of the Year" who's blaming the previous administration for all the things he and the Repubican senate he controls have had 3 1/2 years to fix

scottva

That's politics man, doesnt matter which side is in office. Many times they are right and many times they are looking for a scapegoat and many times it's both. I can admit that but your hatred has you so galvanized you cannot assess fairly

amerigirl

That is not politics, did you ever hear Obama blaming Bush? Obama didn't make up lies about his predecessors either. Unmasking someone that was never masked to begin with.

amerigirl

Personally I agree with him, and hot spots will be opening as the curve goes down. Nobody wants this lockdown, not republicans, democrats or independents. Maybe you don't watch the news but CBS said last night that Birx said that the DC metro are is a current hot spot. I still don't know why all you conservatives have a hate campaign against Fauci. He is doing his job. It has to be because trump wants to open faster than Fauci thinks is safe. I guess you don't see that rump is the one instigating this so try to get the economy up before re-election at any cost. If you think he cars that people will die forget it, he only cares about himself and will do whatever ti takes, tell any lie, fire any person to get his way.

Voltaire

First, lumping everyone (all conservatives have a hate campaign against Fauci) is simply wrong. Can you prove that statement to be true? No, then the statement is false. Why is Trump always the center of the reopen economy argument? Sure, he wants the economy to reopen and get started. Shouldn't everyone? Does everyone like the unemployment rate to be approximately 36M? The point here is that Trump can talk all he wants but he doesn't have the final say in whether the states reopen. The U.S. Constitution does not state that the President has that power. As such, that authority falls within the rights of the states and the state Governors. Furthermore, I hate to break it to everyone but these medical experts, including Dr. Fauci, do not know all either. What I find disturbing is how the collective majority idol worships the medical experts and lean on every idea spoken by them as the holy gospel. I believe that they even created a doll of Dr. Fauci. Really? The medical experts themselves will tell you that they only provide public health advice but are not decision makers. As for the comment about what Trump wants/thinks/cares, it is not relevant.

adopted_va_son

This past week, Loudoun County has had 3 deaths (all 3 over 70 years of age) and 15 hospitalizations out of a total population of over 400,000 from a virus that originated in China. Tell us again, why we are in lock down?

hardworkingamerican

Once again CindyLou go back to Whosville, as you are clueless. The liberals started this war against hard working business owners and against our duly elected President but rest assured it will be Conservatives at the voting place, watching for the double voting liberal corruption that take this country back. Social Communism is in full view. As was the previous administration that has now been proven to have colluded with foreign countries, spies and the likes of Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Biden and Obama to overthrow our President. Wake up and smell the corruption

amerigirl

Speaking of clueless, trump started this with wanting to get his numbers u before the re-election. DUH! Rest assured, the majority of people, including republicans think that his actions caused more people to die than there should have been, check the polls. They will be voting. They tried that BS about people voting twice, remember they even had a committee set up, what did they find? Another batch of lies and quite a few republicans that voted twice. The corruption is not trying to get the votes by silencing people with outrageous restrictions and gerrymandering. You don't know what Social Communism is so look it up. And fact check while your at it because that collusion BS is a big fat lie and conspiracy theory right up there with running a pedophile ring from the basement of Comet ping pong pizza. Remember the place that doesn't even have a basement. Can you for once stick to the article you are so [offtopic][offtopic][offtopic][offtopic][scared][tongue][tongue]

pual mase

How can amerigirl lament others for being mean with a post like this?

Obama was a poser, pretend president that was in way over his head.

The typical”all hat no cattle” that had 8 years with remarkably few accomplishments except dividing the country, weakening the country and placing incompetents in gov positions. Now his corruption is being unmasked.

Requiring a person to show with an ID is an “outrageous restriction” only the the liberal fantasy world.

amerigirl

Pual, seriously? Lament, definitely the wrong word who is lamenting? Who uses the terms you use? You really have to get some facts on Obama. Once you realize how much smarter and capable, he was than trump you will change your tune. Please look up his accomplishments, they are far too many to name here, then look at trumps, kids in cages, rise of ult-right terrorism in the country, wall that can be scaled, cut through, and dug under, and round the clock golfing. I guess you didn’t get the memo, Flynn was never masked to begin with and he was conspiring with Russian officials to have sanctions changed during the campaign. Big and highly illegal no-no. But you know what, enough, this article is about Coronavirus

Voltaire

This is amazing. I believe that a biological agent (COVID-19) is responsible for all of this. The execution of the response by the Government includes more than just President Trump yet it appears that people cannot either understand or want to come to terms with that premise. How do you know what the public is going to do? Using poll data certainly proves nothing as the 2016 election demonstrated. The 2016 election had Hillary Clinton as the next president based on the poll data that the "awe-inspiring" intelligent media and establishment used throughout that election and were found to be totally wrong. I hate to break it to you but the Democrats are not totally clean when it comes to district reengineering either. Gerrymandering happens by both parties as it is a tool to ensure that the party in party get to stay in power. Saying that the Democrats don't do it is a false statement. I also want to point out that there is no such concept in political theory as "Social Communism". There is only socialism or communism not any hybrid. The way that the collective majority, in the interest of public health, is taking to take away individual responsibility and accountability and let the Government control all is a form of either socialism and/or communism. The stifling of dissenting views by the collective majority is also a classic element of a socialist or communist state. As for the last portion of the statement, that is so off-topic and lacks any element of relevancy to the discussion that it isn't worth the time to address it.

Mike Kay

LOL at the "gubmint" paranoids. Have you ever considered that the numbers are as low as they are because of the shutdown, distancing and masks (even though many of you were too worried about losing your "FREE_DUMS" by not wearing a mask)? BTW, do you TeaBagger types really think that the Kochs spent $Billions on the TeaParty ("astro turf" as opposed to "grass roots") because they wanted to help working people out? You guys are really pathetic.

Voltaire

Okay. You perfectly illustrate the concept of the majority view slamming individuals who happen to disagree with that viewpoint. This is the USA, not the Russian Federation, China, or North Korea or any other communist/socialist/authoritiarian regime and that means, believe it or not, that everyone has the right to an individual opinion. They do not have to drink the "Kool-Aid" that is being served by the majority viewpoint or "fall-in" with the mainstream. BTW, I am not a tea-bagger or a government conspiracy type. I find it interesting that when people don't agree with the majority view then the majority begin to act like juveniles and resort to name calling as they appear to be unable to handle logic reasonably. Another classic tactic that the majority view uses is to throw out items that are totally irrelevant to the conversation to divert from the argument. How is the Koch Brothers political campaign finance strategy even relevant to COVID-19 here? How does political campaign financing relate to helping working people? These two premises are irrelevant to the discussion at large. But that's okay, because anyone who challenges the majority using reason/logic are "pathetic" based on the last sentence of the post. Good grief.

CindyLou

Oldvet, give it up on the "Liberal" crap. When you were a vet did you fight? Actually fight? Were you fighting for Republicans or Democrats freedom? Are you Pro-life? If your Pro-life, you think one more death is worth whatever agenda you have against Liberals. Our country is broken. It's you, against me. Very sad.

MAGA Morons Are Governing America

OldVet doesn't like the government telling him what to do. He'd much rather corporate America through it's mouthpiece of Fox News tell him what to think and what to do.

Voltaire

The last time I checked this is the USA, not a communist/authoritarian regime. The Government does have some obligations/duties to enforce but I, as a citizen, unless overruled by a Government decree (for martial law for instance) that provides detailed restrictions, have rights too. They have to be considered. If you like state control so much, you should move to Communist China or Russian Federation. The comment about Corporate America telling anyone what to do is not relevant here.

Loudoun Observer

You have missed the point again. The country is broken. It's broken because some people want to take away all that our vets have fought for - all the freedoms and liberties and rights they have worked so hard (and died) for us to keep. Every time we have some crisis in this country and we look at who is breaking the country even more, it's the liberals.

amerigirl

You have missed the point. It is conservatives that are saying get rid of other peoples freedoms so we can get money. It is the conservatives and the ult-right that are causing all the division in the country and hiding behind the flag to do it. Blasphemy. It's the right that makes up all those conspiracy theories to make dems look bad because they have nothing else to use.

pual mase

More AG BS

feathers

At least we are now only using PCR. Cases are increasing BUT testing is also increasing so this is not so unexpected. Loudoun Times should also chart daily hospitalizations and deaths with a 7-day moving average since this is the most important number.

amerigirl

They are giving a lot of info for the size of the paper. Try going to the Virginia dept of health, they have a lot of info you can go through.

adopted_va_son

Why would they report anything other than numbers/graphs to create panic and fear? I've asked for the same items to give context to the numbers/graphs they provide....and crickets. Maybe they can't read or hear because their mask and gloves are too tight? Or maybe they can't read because they have to social distance from their computer?

nrc2112

I totally agree! And 7k tests are no where near enough to really understand the true number of cases that are presenting asymptomatically.

amerigirl

adopted, believe it or not some people use info to make informed decisions.

BLT

Sometimes we the people, have to use our government to step in and protect the most of us from the stupid few of us. This is one of those times.

amerigirl

...and there are quite a few stupid ones that think it's all about them out there.

scottva

Yeah! Now we need to ramp up contact tracing, that will solve the problem

scottva

BLT You Said: "Sometimes we the people, have to use our government to step in and protect the most of us from the stupid few of us." Which government resources/people are you referring to? The federal government who's experts are making serious conflicting comments OR our state government run by Northam? I'm not going to rehash the flip-flopping by experts, however, the leader of our state is stressing the need for Virginians to wear masks and social distancing. Why is he not doing what he tells us we need to be doing: wearing a mask and social distancing? Check the latest news.

Liberals, what's good for you is not good for them. Do as I say not as I do. Why are Liberals so reluctant to concede that there is some serious hypocrisy being displayed by the very people you think are saving the world? If all of this doesn't make you scratch your head, nothing will.

Voltaire

Actually, no it is not one of those times. Government, by its basic definition, is to govern the country. There are times when Government has to use extraordinary authority in order to maintain order such as issuance of martial law during riots. The Government, during a public health situation, should, through the applicable agencies, manage the health situation. However, you are making the premise that the Government should assume the role of a parent and step in and make decisions that are the responsibility of the citizen. That is not what Government is there for. Citizens need to responsible for themselves not abdicate that responsibility to the Government. That is the cornerstone of a democracy. If Government is going to assume the role of parent and control every aspect of one's life "in the interest of whatever" then this is no longer a democracy but either an authoritarian regime or a communist/socialist state.

Voltaire

Yet, another example of why the "we are in this together" drivel being circulated by the collective majority and its allies in media is a flawed view and doesn't work. What is work with the gentlemen having a different opinion than the "majority"? Is there some reason to attack him just because he has a different view on things? Communist/socialist countries operate on the same premise you are which is attacking someone when they don't fit the "script of the state". Our country is not broken per se. What is broken is the concept of individuals taking individual RESPONSIBILITY for their actions and not abdicate that to the state. What is very sad is that this country allows individual thoughts and opinions yet when someone speaks them they are collectively shunned/blasted by the "majority view". That is what is very sad.

BladerFool

Thank-you LoudounCommonSense. Deaths in Group 1 would be limited, however, because those in Group 2 would welcome converts from Group 1.

loudouncommonsense

So, it's now time to consider Social Darwinism: let's divide society into two groups, each with their owns schools and services and stores etc:

Group 1: "I won't wear a mask" Those who don't want to wear masks and don't social distance and don't care about others health; money is their only concern. The only requirement is that they pay for their own medical & burial services- no medicare, no private insurance no government hand-outs. Total liberty and freedom...yay!

Group 2 Let's be extra cautious: Comprised of those interested in protecting all of society, making some sacrifices and compromises, being team players. Helping the whole community, young, old, and in-between survive the pandemic. The government invests its resources in this group because it has the best odds of surviving.

(You can see where this is going).

Group1 will eventually become smaller and smaller as it members die off from lack of protection and medical care.

Group 2 will eventually prosper and grow.

I'd love to see how many will sign up for Group 1.

adopted_va_son

Does Group 1 pay taxes or not?

amerigirl

broof, do you have a test result? If so how did you get it? My husband has been trying to get one. But they have had people that have recovered from it and gotten it again. The tested positive, negative then positive. I wonder if that has anything with the viral load you have, did they tell you anything?

amerigirl

Group 1 is a bunch of angry white men that kill each other off?

ExitRamp

@OldVet

----> "let’s get real drop your holier than thou attitude and understand that we don’t know everything about this disease but there are those of us who are willing and ready to take care of ourselves"

Your actions affect everyone else. Are you willing and ready to take care of others too?

adopted_va_son

@AG -- your comment about "angry white men" is pure racism...glad to see your true persona.

pual mase

Group 2 is a group of cowering sheep collecting government checks that are increasingly worthless as the government runs out of other peoples money. They eventually resort to cannabilism as society collapses.

It doesn’t stop the libs from blaming Trump for their self-imposed demise.

amerigirl

adopted, can't take a joke? I see your true persona too.

amerigirl

Pual, ‘other peoples money’ like other people don’t pay taxes, just conservatives? So descriptive and seriously exaggerated, just like all the other conservatives with the talk that everybody will be bankrupt. I believe those would be the ones shooting their neighbors and eating them. They would probably enjoy it too.

Thebroof

So if I've already had the virus, i should sit at home until you're sure your shadow isn't going to hurt you? Seems legit.

springerdad

This has to be one of the dumber posts of yours.

RoundHillRes

With a 99% survival rate for those not co-morbid, I don't think you'll see much of a decrease in the first group. It's hard to prosper and grow while hiding in your basement.

Oldvet

No I don’t really see where this is going

do you mean that those in group one who get out to work make money pay taxes still have to support those who stay home

let me guess

does group one starve to death

who’s going to feed them

who’s going to pay for the social services that they require

let’s get real drop your holier than thou attitude and understand that we don’t know everything about this disease but there are those of us who are willing and ready to take care of ourselves

In your view of the world do those who cannot care for themselves now have to die ? We

know we care for them ,we care for immigrants we care for the individuals who are unable to work because of illness or accident and we don’t polarize according to liberal/conservative outlook.

If you think that giving the government all the power to control every aspect of your life is such a good thing I do believe that there are still planes that will get you to Cuba or Venezuela and see how you like it there.

Are you a liberal?

My estimation is that every liberal I’ve met is unhappy and really won’t be happy until everyone around them is unhappy

you seem to fit that bill quite nicely.

gtrunner

Is there a I’ll wear a mask, stay 6 feet from people and the government lets my community pool open group?

CindyLou

good questions gtrunner, but that would be a big fat no because there are a bunch of crazed conspiracy theory wackos that believe this deadly virus is "just the flu" If everyone wore a mask, stayed 6 feet from everyone the pools might be open. I hear they are not opening up this summer. Thank you to the radical right wing "I'am not wearing a mask that takes away my freedom clan". Hey, why don't we all just go get bottles of Hydroxycholoroquine. and make pina colada's out of it? Put a mask over our eyes and play marcoPolo?

Loudoun Observer

No! There are only two groups. Those that are hateful, dumb and only care for money and those that love people, are caring and are super smart. Now pick a group!!!

Isn't that the beauty of the left? No gray areas, no balance, no sensible compromises. Very very black and very very white and the rules exist in their own minds and anyone not following all of them at every moment is hateful, racist and supports the bad orange man.

RoundHillRes

Loudoun Times, please start focusing on the # of hospitalizations. Where is that chart? That's the only number that should be graphed. Number of deaths and cases reporting will always increase, making it seem like the Pandemic is getting worse. More testing = more cases, not a cause for alarm. The curve has been flattened. Time to give people the power to decide how to protect themselves and their loved ones without the heavy hand of the government making those choices for them.

amerigirl

You should see f they will reserve a certain number of people for a certain amount of time

amerigirl

RoundHillRes you can get the daily count on the Virginia dept of health site, when you get to the dashboard click on locality, next page pick Loudoun and it will break down cases, hospitalizations and deaths. It won't give you the number of releases from the hospital.

Voltaire

Based upon the way that local/state government is operating under this pandemic, the answer is no. CindyLou's comment supports the premise that "we all in this together" is factually wrong. The fact is that COVID-19 is made up in biological terms to the common cold (a coronavirus). Wearing a mask does not, by itself, prevent the COVID-19. Shouldn't the individual be responsible enought to decide on if he should wear a mask or do we need the government to make all of our decisions for us? If you want the state in all aspects of your life, then communism/socialism works.

wroeg

Private Insurance rates shold be based on measured risk. Georgia ended lockdown 28th April & cases increased 60%, Virginia stayed under lock down and cases increased 140%. Group 2 pays double the private insurance rates of Group 1. Group 1 gets a rebate on its medicare and social security payments.

scottva

This is completely ridiculous. You said " The only requirement is that they pay for their own medical & burial services- no medicare, no private insurance no government hand-outs. Total liberty and freedom...yay!" If the only requirement is for them to pay their own medical and burial services, who are they going to pay for medical services if private insurance isn't an option? It makes no sense and yet your overall comment is quite telling. Clearly you fall to Group #2, therefore you will receive government handouts which you seem quite proud to do. However, you used said "government invests its resources". Do you even have the faintest clue where the government gets its money to "invest" in its resources? TAXES, duh. How does the government get tax money? From businesses and working people. When money isn't coming in then money isnt going out, unless you're the government or Loudouncommonsense. If you think the government is the solution for prosperity and growth then you're further off the rails than I gave you credit.

Jeanne T

Do masks keep us safe?

amerigirl

They keep the rest of the population safe, since yo can be infected and contagious for about 2 weeks before showing symptoms if you even show symptoms, If you wear a N95 mask, it keeps you safe

LeesburgFan

GREAT question! The "experts" Fauci, Berx, Jerome Adams are stating masks don't protect the wearer. Why is it if they cutdown by 75% outgoing virus from breathing, speaking or sneezing, why won't they do the same for incoming virus? I guess the "experts" haven't seen a chemo patient wearing a mask to protect themselves when their white count is low, or when I wear a pollen mask when mowing the lawn, or a dust mask when scraping mold off a wall. NO.....the masks aren't for the wearer! LOL.

ace10

Again pushing the lie about being contagious 14 days before symptoms. Stop lying.

amerigirl

Leesburg, once again with the half-truth lies. Where is the rest of the statement about if worn improperly and their explanation of how it stops the spread? That is what they have been saying all along. It has always been explained that only the N95 masks protect you and that the others keep you from spreading it. Chemo patients don’t leave their houses and are supplied N95 masks. You make comments on things you know nothing about. Those masks are for the wearer, the others are for the spreaders.

amerigirl

Ace, you owe me an apology, quite a few actually because you have continued to say I am lying about something you are too lazy to loo up for yourself. study from The Lancet found that 5% of infected people took at least 2 weeks to develop symptoms, suggesting they may have been infectious for a long time. New England Journal of Medicine study on nursing homes people are contagious before they get symptoms or even if they never develop obvious symptoms, 70% of residents who hadn’t yet gotten symptoms were shedding the virus, the study showed. WHO; symptom onset, is on average 5-6 days, however can be up to 14 days. From an interview with Fox TV by Daisy Robinton, who holds a PhD in molecular biology from Harvard University: The median incubation period for COVID-19 is just over 5 days, meaning for most people the first symptoms do not appear until five days post-exposure. Some people do not develop symptoms for up to 14 days, or possibly even longer, but the virus is replicating and the person is contagious during this time

LeesburgFan

amerigirl - half truths lies?? Things I know nothing about?? Once again, this shows your liberal superiority complex. I actually did research at smartairfilters.com which concluded that dish towels, cotton blend, and antimicrobial pillowcases are more than 68% effective at protecting the wearer from incoming virus. Coronavirus is about .125 microns in size. It is not that only N95 masks protect the wearer. Maybe if you question our "experts" a little you will not be led so blindly over the cliff.

amerigirl

You just made up another one, there is no such thing as liberal superiority complex. Research all you want, it doesn’t change the fact that you posted half of what someone said and omitted the other half that had a complete bearing on it. Sure, I would really trust a site called smartairfilters. over the experts. Are they producing masks? If not, then your statement is pointless. And how would that even effect my statement of ‘If you wear a N95 mask, it keeps you safe’? Who is talking about any other mask usage for other purposes? Just you.

Waterfordresident

Loudouncommonsense - Since your so scared to go out, continue staying home so you’re not around us. It’s that simple. Why should we conform to your views? I know what’s best for me and my family...not the liberal governors.

amerigirl

What a stupid accusation. You don't have to be scared to not want to go out, just smart. Why should we conform to your rules that go against all the experts guidance and risking others lives? Wait and see if you get the virus and see if you know what is best for your family. Lots of people like you have had that happen and are singing a different tune

Voltaire

That's a good question. Why is everyone so eager to give up their inidividual freedoms/rights so to comply with the experts? The experts themselves tell you that they provide advice not policy direction. It is not the job of the state to tell you how to live every aspect of your life yet that is what they are doing under the guise of "in the interest of public health."

ExitRamp

@LCS

If a herd of cattle (using herd mentality) approach a broad stream to cross, the alpha cattle remain back and let the beta cattle go first. If they make it across, the alpha cattle know it's safe to proceed.

Is this any different?

Unfortunately, Group 1 will continue the spread, bringing it home to their families as well as to people in public places. But it doesn't stop there. As sick people seek medical help, EMTs, doctors, and nurses are now forced to be exposed to COVID-19. And because of what??

scottva

Meant to add that you and people like you fail to recognize the impact lockdown has on alcoholics and drug addicts, it's very significant. I guess you all figure, better to lose the life of drunks or addicts to save the world from COVID. Your Group #2 is nothing but garbage. Alcohol and drugs have been very well proven to kill people, especially addicts. The COVID experts cant decide on masks or lockdown. So next time you say people like me don't care about others health and well being ask yourself, "What have I done to help someone today?" I can promise you I help more people in one week than you have ever. Sanctimonious hypocrite

Voltaire

Outstanding comment. I totally agree with this line of reasoning.

wroeg

Lockdown is the wrong strategy even now 99.5% of Loudoun has not had CV19, of the 0.5% who have <1% will die..0% under 50. Test, Trace, Isolate, report the outbreak clusters ...protect the elderly, maintain 6 feet separation and use masks, and let everyone else get back to their lives. The lockdown is a farce anyway if you can go to the grocery store. We need to learn to live with this, we can't hide in our basements forever.

amerigirl

I would say that the lack of people getting the virus is because of the lockdown. You have no idea how many people got the virus in Loudoun because until last week it was almost impossible to get a test unless you were very sick. There were many people that were sick and couldn't get tested. Death is not the only consequence of having the virus, you take a very simplistic view on it. What about all the 20-40 year old that have had strokes or have complications that they may have to live with for the rest of their lives. It's not all black and white.

factchecker66

What lockdown? Have you been to Costco, Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes, any nursery lately? Even just driving down Rt. 7, seeing all the traffic, it is hard to believe anyone is staying home.

amerigirl

Fact, you have to admit, when the lock down started many more people were compliant.

Rick

You're right - if we were doing what you said - testing, testing, more testing - isolate the carriers, and do contact tracing - we could safely re-open, practice common-sense measures, and learn to live with this.

But as someone said, "death" isn't the only bad result - the way this disease attacks people is many and varied, so don't just assume that if you're not in a risk group you'll be fine.

We have to re-open - but it would be certainly helpful if our state government got up off of its hindquarters, and started vigorously testing, tracing and isolating.

If they don't, can you imagine the calamity a school re-opening in the Fall will be?

Voltaire

Wow. Let's promote discrimination based upon a recommendation. First of all, your scenario is flawed in that there are people who practice social distancing but don't wear a mask. Where do they fit? Group 2 sounds like members of the Communist Party, I don't believe that there is any data provided in your "determination" to show your conclusions as reliable.

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