Ten more Loudoun County residents have died as a result of COVID-19, state health officials reported on Thursday, bringing the county's total number of the coronavirus-related deaths to 63.

Thursday marked the largest jump in deaths since May 4 and May 15, both of which had six.

The age breakdown of the deceased is as follows: 48 have been 80 years old or older, 11 have been between the ages of 70 and 79, three have been between the ages of 60 and 69 and one was between the ages of 50 and 59.

Loudoun County's confirmed COVID-19 cases stand at 2,318 on Thursday, according to the latest figures reported by the state. The case count increased by 44 from Wednesday’s reporting. One hundred and fifty-six people in Loudoun have been hospitalized.

Loudoun County will hold a second round of free, drive-through testing for COVID-19 at Philip A. Bolen Memorial Park in Leesburg for Monday beginning at 10 a.m. Testing will end when the site reaches capacity or by 6 p.m. As many tests as possible will be administered during the one-day testing event.

To help reduce wait times, people who plan to attend Monday’s event are strongly encouraged to complete a registration form for each person who will be receiving a test prior to arriving at the testing site. The form is posted online and may be filled out and printed in advance of the testing.

Northern Virginia is expected to reopen under the first phase of reopening guidelines starting Friday.

For the week ending May 23, 58,591 people in Virginia filed initial unemployment claims, according to federal data released Thursday.

Statewide, the number of coronavirus cases on Thursday jumped by 1,152 to 41,401 cases. There have been 1,338 deaths, 4,442 hospitalizations, and 285,273 people have been tested.

More information about the coronavirus and how to prevent its spread can be found at CDC.gov/Coronavirus and Loudoun.gov/coronavirus.

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Guest

Everyone that posts on here . Please all of you get a life .

amerigirl

Bully bully and quite the elitist.

Voltaire

How can you conclude that everyone who posts here doesn't have "a life"? Unsubstantiated premise with no evidence. However, yes, your lordship, I will get on it right away. Good grief.

amerigirl

Thank God we aren't having to live his hateful life.

pual mase

I’v e been reading and participating in these posts for several months now and conclude they illuminate the basic coronavirus policy issues and arguments, despite lots of dumb comments, hyperbole and partisan attacks.

Reading between the lines. I also conclude most want to protect health and revive the economy and lost livelihoods, but have different priorities and perspectives that drive their policy preferences.

On one extreme, there are those that are primarily focused on preventing spread of the virus at all costs.

On the other extreme are those that want to protect individual liberties at all costs.

Both extremes are understandable but problematic in the face of a complex situation where the stakes couldn’t be much higher. The stakes are literally life or death of people and the national economy.

But in the face of a complex crisis with extreme consequences, solutions aren’t in the extreme policies. We can’t afford to be very wrong on public health or economic health.

I suggest we all take a breath and consider the broader perspective than our “camps” and recognize certain realties that make the situation so difficult.

First, recognize that the pandemic is still not well enough understood despite recent learnings. As a result, the experts, government and society will make mistakes and we need to be humble enough and understanding enough to be constructive when this inevitably happens. We also need to be open to new information and, at the same time remain skeptical enough to not blindly accept new information because it fits our narrative........not easy to do.

It also means that the “listen to the experts”, follow the science/data” approach is flawed because they are not reliable and most have their own blind spots and agendas. And the science of the virus is far from settled. It is not unusual for science to take years, decades and even centuries to settle scientific questions.

Of course we should listen to the science, but not necessarily blindly follow the latest study or proclamations.

Next, we should recognize that we as a society, are not in control of pandemic.

We may or may not have vaccine or treatments that eradicate it.

No amount of distancing, handwashing or facemasking will eradicate it.

We may be somewhat effective in limiting spread and may even to get lucky and see the virus to die out as others have.

While we need to take reasonable steps to control what we can, it would probably be an illusion that ever-increasing precautions will be able to control what may be ultimately uncontrollable. There are diminishing returns.

Next, we should recognize that individual liberties are precious and should be strongly defended, especially in difficult times when threats to liberty are most threatened.

That being said individual liberties do have limits and should not be an excuse for irresponsible or destructive behavior.

America was founded and has thrived as society that embraces individualism and personal liberty and that ethic has been the driver of our historic successes.

Any government action that compels compliance or limits liberty ought to as minimal and temporary as possible. It follows that the bar for curtailing liberty be set very high.

Next, it is critical that we understand the suffering of those impacted by the economic damage of the self-imposed shutdowns. The consequence of failed businesses and lost jobs can also be deadly and also destroy the security, health, hopes and dreams of many more than those the virus directly affects. It is not selfish to want to protect your business or your job or your ability to provide.

Next, we need to be realistic about the economic damage cause and the challenge to revive it. Many of the more extreme posts, treat the economy as an afterthought our not worthy of any consideration.

Business that fail and the their associated jobs, don’t spontaneously resurrect.

Everyday we deny business and workers the ability to operate, we dig a deeper hole that will take longer to get out of. We also risk hitting a tipping point where the nation can never fully recover.

We can’t take for granted that the unprecedented prosperity we have enjoyed will continue. These lockdowns are an existential threat to to the nation and with it all the values and liberties we enjoy.

There is a lot of passion and emotion expressed in many of these posts that reflect the seriousness of the issues in play..........sickness, death, economic ruin, liberty.

As a result we must be clear-headed and objective about the policies and practice we adopt to deal with them.

A clear-headed approach means none of us can be as certain as we may pretend to to be that our solutions are 100% right and those that disagree are wrong or evil.

All this suggests the policies and practices we adopt today and tomorrow should hedge our bets and recognize the extremes are very risky.

While I interpret the posts as most commenters are somewhere between the extremes, we might all benefit from avoiding the partisan cheap shots, name calling and intolerance. We might also benefit from looking at the bigger picture and appreciate the broader implications of the pandemic and policies to address it.

Personally, I’d like to see the economy opened as quickly and completely as possible while implementing sensible precautions, especially for the most vulnerable.

Voltaire

Pual, this is excellent and I totally agree. [thumbup]

springerdad

Wear your mask where required and open up the county. Push the state harder to protect our senior citizens.

amerigirl

[smile][thumbup]

ChocolateDinosaur

To those who are not bots and are able to form thoughts all by yourself - please know that it is obvious to somebody who used to visit here often that these comment sections have become infected themselves. Don't waste your time arguing, save your mental health. You are not responding to rational, reasonable, or in some cases real people. Get your mail in ballots or have a plan for keeping yourself safe in November and vote. Hang in there.

Loudoun4Trump

so why are the schools shut down and everything else when most deaths are people in nursing home type settings....and the ages, not one less than 60.... Just got my Trump mask and cant wait to walk around in it....

ExitRamp

You don't understand how this works, do you.

The parents send their kid to school since he is asymptomatic. He gets on a crowded bus which takes him to school where he walks through a narrow corridor only to arrive at an enclosed classroom. At lunch they remove their masks to eat and drink. Of course, the teacher, the only adult in the room, has to maintain compliance with a room full of kids. The kids return home after having been exposed to dozens of other kids who then spread the virus to their parents and siblings. If they get sick enough, an EMT takes them to a hospital where now doctors and nurses have to treat an infected patient. People of all ages are affected by coronavirus. Those of younger, middle age are susceptible to strokes and heart attacks even when healthy. Some children get Kawasaki disease-like symptoms.

So it's not just about the kids. It's about the spread.

Let me ask you - do you have any members of your family over 50?

springerdad

ER - Based on your post you sound like you are in favor of shutting down everything until COVID-19 is no longer around.

At what level would it be safe to start getting back to a new normal?

ExitRamp

@SD

This is the question asked:

---> "so why are the schools shut down and everything else when most deaths are people in nursing home type settings"

I was responding to the idea that because only seniors die, it's safe to open up schools. The point being made is that schools can be germ factories but also people of all ages are affected by coronavirus. Kids can shed virus and infect other students we well as their own family members.

---> "Based on your post you sound like you are in favor of shutting down everything until COVID-19 is no longer around."

Au contraire. I am very much for opening up as much as possible but only if we can do so responsibly. That means SD, masks, and testing/isolation.

The scenario provided about allowing kids to return to school highlights the challenges and risks that we have to face. There is no easy answer but, as you have probably read, some solutions involve limiting the number of students on buses and in classrooms, plastic shields where possible, etc.

Ideally, we would have an accurate antigen test that could produce results in minutes. Students would be tested on a regular basis prior to entering the school. No masks or SD required. Any infected student isolated/traced.

springerdad

ER - Great post. Thanks!

amerigirl

Did you read the post?

amerigirl

Because it isn't just deaths that count. Anyone can get it.

Justasking

So every citizen in America would be required/forced to take some type of antibody test or get some sort of vaccine (Smallpox type) or Covid19 shot (Flu shot type)? Just asking.

Science Can Save Us

The MAGA lemmings follow the Divider-In-Chief down the rathole of e-mask-ulation anxiety

Guest

Yours is a farcical attempt at writing something witty and worth reading. It is neither. You're trying too hard to imitate Fredo.

amerigirl

I thought is was funny. Why so critical?

springerdad

He was critical of it because he did not find it to be funny. Why do you have to question everyone's posts!!!!

pual mase

Sarcastic, condescending ridicule isn’t funny or constructive.

amerigirl

springer, why do you care what I do? None of our business.

amerigirl

Springer, BTW you just answered someone else's post, criticized me for for saying it was funny to defend his right to say he didn't think it was funny. Real equal standards bud.

amerigirl

Pual, you can say it is not constructive, I can point out many times you have done the same thing. Don't judge.

springerdad

Science is good when it fits your line of thinking. If you listened to the WHO scientists you would be preaching the masks are not required for healthy people.

amerigirl

And how do you know you're healthy and are not asymptomatic?

Science Can Save Us

Who's Fredo?

scottva

If you have to ask that question, then you really need to think twice about your posts. Good grief.

springerdad

I thought the pandemic was over. I have been watching CNN and MSNBC for the past two days and not one word about Covid-19.

Please arrest these officers ASAP so I can find out what is going on about COVID-19.

What more evidence do they need besides the video!

amerigirl

I know, that was disgusting. No value for human life. Did you see the look that cop had on his face? Scary. The pandemic is picking up in rural areas now, I guess it's not quite done with messing with people.

springerdad

Dead eyes as he murdered that man.

Voltaire

Since a court of law has not conducted a trial or determined either guilt or innocence, the statement that the officer "murdered" that man is incorrect. The officer is "alleged" to have murdered that man. However, unpopular this premise to the world of armchair legal experts, the officer is entitled to due process and the State of Minnesota has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the charges outlined in the charging document.

Voltaire

You can only arrest the officer (Chauvin) as they have sufficient evidence to charge him. The State of Minnesota, contrary to the court of public opinion, must have sufficient evidence to charge the other three and since they haven't been charged there must not be sufficient evidence to charge them.

amerigirl

Do you think that will be a problem? They have it recorded When Floyd stopped moving, Officer J. Alexander Kueng "checked Mr. Floyd’s right wrist for a pulse and said, 'I couldn’t find one.' None of the officers moved from their positions,"Chauvin made a decision not to or to even check his pulse, Floyd was unconscious and not resisting.

Voltaire

AG, if they have the recorded evidence that showed that Floyd stopped moving, one of the officers checked his pulse identified no pulse and yet none of them called for EMS, which they are supposed to do in these situations or tried to do CPR, then the State of Minnesota should be able to charge the other three with 3rd Degree Murder as it fits the statute. There still isn't enough to remove reasonable doubt about intent. However, that determination is for the tryer of fact to determine. However, given the sensitivity of this case, I doubt a jury will be impaneled as it would be hard to find one in Minneapolis city limits or county limits. You may get a trial by judge and that can be more difficult as judges tend to be more objective than juries who can be swayed by emotions.

amerigirl

Vo, I hope they do charge the other 3, and believe that will happen. If the Wash Post could manage to get video from businesses in the area then I'm pretty sure the cops did too. They should have plenty of evidence.

scottva

Latest Guidance on Wearing Masks from One of the Experts: "The World Health Organization is recommending healthy people, including those who don't exhibit COVID-19 symptoms, only wear masks when taking care of someone infected with the contagion, a sharp contrast from the advice given by American public health officials who recommend everyone wear a mask in public."

Liberal comment posters, don't get mad at us on this whole mask subject, you should be ticked off that the experts just changed the rules of engagement AGAIN for wearing masks.

novanick

Why are you always making this a political goddamn issue? This is a health issue, this a right vs wrong issue, this is NOT a left vs right issue. The WHO also assumes you are healthy, well we are so far behind the testing curve for both PCR and antibody how is one supposed to be 100% confident they are not asymptotic? I fully understand that this gives a false sense of protection if you do not follow other social distancing guidelines. But I am wearing a mask to protect you and your family. I am not wearing a mask to make some ridiculous “liberal” statement.

Voltaire

Excellent comment. [smile]

Loudoun Observer

novanick, your mask isn't protecting anyone. Not you. Not others. At this point with all the scientific studies out there - your mask is nothing more than some virtuous statement. I certainly support your right to wear a mask, or a tinfoil hat or whatever else you like. Projecting the requirement for a tin foil hat to others is where the line is getting drawn.

novanick

LO, the irony is your the one projecting and putting your own spin without naming a source. Here is one from the Cleveland clinic, that disputes your “virtuous statement”. If you want I got more. https://health.clevelandclinic.org/heres-how-wearing-a-cloth-mask-helps-fight-the-spread-of-coronavirus/

ExitRamp

@LO'

Wrong. Just wrong.

Please stop spreading misinformation.

Loudoun Observer

nick, here's an actual study from NIH. If you don't want to read all this difficult science, skip to the conclusion - which reads; "In conclusion, both surgical and cotton masks seem to be ineffective in preventing the dissemination of SARS–CoV-2 from the coughs of patients with COVID-19 to the environment and external mask surface." Your link is one doc giving an opinion, not an actual study. I can see how you would be fooled though.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7153751/

scottva

@novanick - LO is projecting? What he said was do what makes you feel comfortable and safe, no problem with that but don't attack those that don't think as you do, that's the problem. Really not a difficult post to understand.

ExitRamp

@LO

---> "nick, here's an actual study from NIH."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7153751/

Did you even read it, LoudounObserver? It's not "an actual study from NIH". It's an article printed in the Annals of Internal Medicine seven weeks ago about a group of South Korean doctors performing a test on 4 patients.

---> "I can see how you would be fooled though."

Exactly.

Let this article infect your brain:

To Mask or Not to Mask: Modeling the Potential for Face Mask Use by the General Public to Curtail the COVID-19 Pandemic

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32355904/

amerigirl

Back that one up. Sources? Glad you respect others rights, but lying about how it works is just wrong.

pual mase

As long as politicians are making decisions that are so meaningfully impacting our lives, this debate will by definition be political.

This is also much more than a health issue. The economic and constitutional impacts of our action in response to the pandemic have made it so.

Right vs wrong is an individual judgement.

I too wear a mask in public places and I don’t view it as political statement

amerigirl

How, it is republican and democratic governors making those decisions? People just need someone to blame.

scottva

Because that's what it has become, a political goddamn issue. For people to come at me because I dont think like they do is 100% political and I feel the need to correct their faulty thinking when it's disproved or contradictory to everything they have been preaching and using to justify their snide comments. You want to wear a mask go ahead, then you're protected from me. If I choose not to wear a mask I should not be attacked.

Voltaire

If the Government during a public emergency, lawfully orders you to wear a mask for the good of community and you refuse to do so, without a proper justification, then that is wrong and you should be corresponding sanctioned. If you have a valid justification for non-mask wearing and you are complying with the rest of the social hygiene/social distancing policies/guidance, then you are right that the majority should not attack you as you meet the responsibility test in that you comply with the rest of the guidance. No, COVID-19 is primarily a health issue with a secondary issue being economic impact from the virus. It is not a political issue. People have turned it into one and that is tragic as this virus really doesn't care about one's political viewpoints and will continue to do what its DNA tells it to..

amerigirl

Exactly!

scottva

This post is not at all political, think of it more as me trying to help you from acting ridiculous and calling people all kinds of names for not wearing masks. 5/28/2020: "Dr. Anthony Fauci admitted masks won’t help against the virus and mask manufacturers are now including warnings that their products do not deter CV19". Google that sentence for yourself and send your complaints and name calling to Dr. Fauci and the CDC, they are in the driver seat on this mess.

http://kissnb.com/cdc-centers-for-disease-control-prevention/

amerigirl

The site you used is for Kiss NB political party listed as conservative, but you say it's not political? Don't you think they have a bias? There were statements and figures in the article that you could only find on other right wing media. Your statement is wrong on Fauci since it was only half the statement, the same one that the COP senators pushed, but it's not political. His statement said "if not worn properly" Fauci said he believes that while wearing a mask is not "100% effective," it is a valuable safeguard and shows "respect for another person.".The CDC has a sheet on how to use a mask you and how they help Print Resources Web Page: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/communication/print-resources.html this sheet, created 4 days ago because of all the fake news being put out tell you what good it does. You don't even have to google it, print it. But you know, it's not political.

ExitRamp

@scottva

I won't apologize for repeating myself here since you managed to post the same comment no fewer than 7 times in this thread. I have reported it to the monitor.

Please read this:

To Mask or Not to Mask: Modeling the Potential for Face Mask Use by the General Public to Curtail the COVID-19 Pandemic

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32355904/

Also, please stop taking Fauci comments out of context. He is famous for Fauci-speak which means he provides qualifications for this statements.

Listen to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_FWRVURT2s

Asked about the best personal protection for the general public during the coronavirus pandemic, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Anthony Fauci told lawmakers on May 12 that people should maintain social distancing guidelines, when possible, and wear face coverings in public. Fauci said, adding that it should be a "very regular part" of how we stop the spread of the virus.

amerigirl

liberal? It is not political to care about your neighbors. What is wrong with you?

scottva

You're correct, however, once again Amerigirl, it is political to condemn people that don't think as you do, act as you do or that won't get in line. "Conform or you want all people to die". Absurd

Voltaire

You are correct that everyone, in this country, is entitled to the right to have an opinion and to express it. However, some people on this site are self-absorbed and appear to be concocting all types of excuses to circumvent the Executive Order or, in one instance, promoting actual civil disobedience just to "show it to the man". That is simply wrong. Every citizen has a civic responsibility to society as a whole and should actively do what they can to fight the virus. If you can't wear a mask (legitimately), then okay but you should practice the rest of social distancing/hygiene requirements. This concept is not really that hard but there are elements in this society that want to turn everything into a political gotcha game and that isn't right either.

amerigirl

Who have I condemned, like I even have that power? What is the BS about "Conform or you want all people to die"? You always go way overboard with your comments on other people, get a grip. It is not political to try to protect your family and community. I wear a mask to protect everyone, I don’t care if they are a democrat, republican or anything else. My opinion of others is not political, it is personal, and if I feel they can be damaging the community by spreading it I can state my opinion. It has nothing to do with politics, you just make it that way.

hardworkingamerican

Ok so if we are going the liberal socialist communist route that so many here proclaim as they say, "it is to protect people and you have no right to endanger people" then here you go. All people who speed, cross a solid white line, swerve out of their lanes, must not be allowed to drive or get in a car. People who smoke anywhere near anyone in a public place must be fined as it is deadly to so many and robs the area of oxygen and creates lung disease and death...well you get the picture. How about some other statistics concerning the suicides and drug overdoses and domestic violence and others that far eclipse what this "virus" has done. Including Hayden who just took his life right before his 13th birthday. Destroying millions of Americans to prove a "Coonman" liberal statement that we control your body and your life is sick and warped. Let me quote "planned parenthood". "My body, my choice". Since this is the liberal cry that took 1.47 million babies lives last year alone, I say to all. Our bodies our choice. You don't like it, stay home and rot. Americans will not bow to communism. Stand up for your rights and do what you need to do to live and prosper.

Guest

Agreed. The biggest freedom is not being with your family member. Once vented you do not have a voice and decision for you are made by strangers. Just try keeping me from seeing my child.

amerigirl

Who said anything about keeping you from your child?

amerigirl

OKOKOK It’s another righty tighty rant from workhard using all the usual terms like’ “liberal socialist communist”, "Coonman", “communism” with all the conspiracy theories in 1 comment. Nothing new here folks. He again compares a declared national emergency to everyday occurrences in life. He thinks we don’t know there are fines for smoking, but the govt is passing bills that allow toxic chemicals to enter the air that had been banned. The suicides and drug overdoses and domestic violence and others that far eclipse what this "virus" has done, which have action already taken to try to prevent justifies not taking action with the virus. Thinks that everyone should go through an unwanted pregnancy but doesn’t want to support the child after it is born because it wasn’t his fault, cut SNAP, get rid of the Medicaid they depend on etc, Whoa….. what is this Our bodies our choice? Not your body, you are just trying to claim dominance over it? You can’t get raped and pregnant. You can’t force the man to be there through the pregnancy and support the mother, you don’t want to pay for any support after the child is born. Why did you follow the baby rant with stay home and rot? Anyway, true Americans wil stand up for their country and do what is best to protect Americans, fake Americans will blindly follower the leader at all costs regardless, how unamerican.

pual mase

AG I agree hardworking is over the top, but no more than you.

amerigirl

Common pual, you know I can back up my comments with actual facts not conspiracy theories. He needs help and won't get it. I have tried before, recommended he talk to someone but he frustrates me with all the liberal communist BS. I wish he would get help, he has been through a lot and probably would benefit from it. But I think he is at the age that it was a stigma while he was growing up and he still looks at it that way.

Iluvloudoun

Do not get tested unless you are sick people! Increasing the numbers when you aren’t even showing symptoms is only feeding into the fear! Only sick people should be counted.

amerigirl

What????? there is no feeding the fear, people just want it out of here and not having people who are contagious walking around instead of quarantining is insane. That feeds the fear that we are gong to take longer to get rid of it.

Richard

75% of the COVID deaths in Fairfax occurred in long term care facilities and those people had serious other health issues call comorbidity, it may be similar in Liudoun but I have not seen that.

Also note tthe ages. No children or young, medium adults.

amerigirl

Richard where did you get that percentage? The last I saw was a bit over half, which was still higher than the state at 54%. Please share your source. Just because they didn’t die doesn’t mean they won’t have lasting effects. It is the younger people who are getting the blood clots that are causing the strokes and heart attacks. Older people are more likely to already be on blood thinners.

Guest

So that all the asymptomatic carriers are free to continue running around spreading the virus?! That's not the way to control a pandemic.

amerigirl

then wear a mask, if the asymptomatic carriers wear one it makes a big difference.

gtrunner

Agreed. When the media only reports positive cases and death instead of rate of infection, which takes into account the amount of testing, it’s just not worth it.

amerigirl

You have to look for the rest of the information. Try the metrics of the area.

Justasking

What is the science or metric that will determine when we can stop wearing masks and stop social distancing? Is it a vaccine? Is it a Covid19 shot? Is it when just a small percentage of people test positive? Are we going to require people to get a vaccine or Covid19 shot? Just asking.

Voltaire

I would guess that it would be the development of a vaccine. However, there are social distancing/hygiene concepts/items such as hand washing, covering mouth when sneezing/coughing, discarding used tissues that should never go away as they are effective against the flu and other viruses (common cold) in addition to COVID-19.

amerigirl

I think the only 2 metrics they haven't met are testing and PPE. Not positive though.

ExitRamp

@JA

----> "What is the science or metric that will determine when we can stop wearing masks and stop social distancing?"

As Fauci said, it won't be like flipping a light switch. But as it stands now, the only defense we have against COVID-19 contagion is social distancing, masks, washing hands.

Reactive:

1) Antibody therapy: antibodies harvested from a recovered person to bolster the immune system of a person newly infected.

2) Antivirals: Much like we have with antiretroviral treatment for HIV/AIDS, an COVID-19 antiviral would help defend against an active infection.

Proactive:

1) Vaccine: The discovery process is lengthy and time-consuming even if we are lucky enough to find one that is effective enough to trigger long-lasting immunity.

---> " Is it when just a small percentage of people test positive?"

In fact, just the opposite. This virus is not going away on its own. It's when a large enough percentage of people test positive, i.e., demonstrate a previous infection has triggered an immune system response via antibodies. People who have recovered from COVID-19 are no longer infectious. Modeling the contagion rate for COVID-19 says that we need to have nearly 70% of the population to achieve herd immunity. Once this threshold is reached, it would very safe for a vulnerable person to venture out into a community not practicing SD or wearing masks.

So how do we reach herd immunity.

1) Let the virus spread until a large enough majority of people have been infected. Unfortunately, this will kill off easily more than a million people. This is what would have happened had we not locked down. Plus it is estimated that it would take 12-18 months to reach natural herd immunity.

2) A vaccine. The safest way to protect the populace. However, it is predicted that the earliest will be Jan, 2021. And that is extremely optimistic.

----> "Are we going to require people to get a vaccine or Covid19 shot?"

No, we can't. There is always that segment of anti-vaxxers who will ruin it for everyone. Measles has a herd immunity threshold of 93%. The measles vaccine is provided world-wide which would effectively eradicate measles. But because certain regions refuse to accept it, we still see outbreaks. 140,000 children needlessly died from measles in 2018. Such is the human condition.

Justasking

So if we continue to be totally risk adverse, we will always be wearing masks and employing social distancing? Just asking.

scottva

Well, apparently there is NO science or metrics that determine when to stop wearing masks. In fact, the exact opposite was just posted and the WHO is now saying that only healthy people should wear masks when they are around COVID patients. People who post comments have been saying all along to listen to our experts and now our experts are saying not to wear a mask UNLESS around a COVID patient.

ExitRamp

@JA

---> "So if we continue to be totally risk adverse, we will always be wearing masks and employing social distancing?"

There will be a time when we defeat this virus. We are encouraged by early evidence that drugs (e.g., Remdesivir) can be effective against it. Masks and SD will be the new normal until one of the following happens:

1) Antibody therapy

2) Antivirals

3) Vaccine (8 months with luck - fast tracked phase I-II clinical trials underway)

4) Natural herd immunity (12-18 months w/ 1,000,000 deaths along the way)

Another potential path is massive antigen and antibody testing. All people found to be infectious are quarantined/isolated. All people with long-lasting antibodies are safe to return to public without SD or masks. Unfortunately, we don't have accurate enough testing for either antigens or antibodies to place a lot of confidence in them.

Voltaire

I believe social distancing procedures will be used until there are developments in therapeutics and/or vaccines.

amerigirl

Scott, how do you know if you are around someone that is asymptomatic? ow do you now they don't already have it but have not shown symptoms yet and are contagious?

Loudoun Observer

There was no science behind attempting to require people to wear masks, so what makes you think any future decisions will be based on anything other than the whims of Gov Blackface?

Voltaire

I believe that the proponents of mask wearing will tell you that there are studies that show that mask wearing does prevent you from spreading the virus to others if you have it. I would hope that the Governor will use the recommendations of his Virginia Department of Health and other experts to form decisions as that is supposed to be how decisionmaking is to be performed. BTW, the Governor's name is Northam, not Blackface. Again, why do we have to resort to juvenile antics such as namecalling? It does nothing to support but rather detract from the discussion. Good gravy.

Loudoun Observer

Those "proponents" will say that. And they are wrong. They cite quotes from various people, not studies. I'm not a proponent or advocate of anything regarding masks except the raw facts. There have been at least THREE comprehensive peer reviewed studies conducted in the last 45 days by leading universities (and one by the NIH) that conclude decisively that masks being worn by the public are ineffective. If the opposite were true and masks had any ability to hinder the ability of Covid 19 particles to travel, I'd wear one religiously. The public needs to separate the feelings and emotional opinions from actual fact based studies. There were lots of dire predictions from the mask-obsessed here a month ago about Georgia opening up. I just checked the hospitalization stats for the state - straight downward trend since May 1. That doesn't get mentioned by those here riding the "keep everything shut down" narrative.

amerigirl

The CDC says that wearing a mask won’t necessarily prevent you from getting sick, especially if you move the face covering or it doesn’t fit snugly against your face. But masks will reduce the distance that your respiratory droplets travel while coughing, sneezing, or talking. This prevents others from getting sick and reduces the spread if you’re infected but don’t have symptoms. Several studies have shown that wearing a face mask can slow the spread of respiratory droplets, which is how SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, is transmitted. The virus can be spread by droplets as small as 5 microns or micrometers, a group of scientists for the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine wrote to the White House in an April 8 letter. For now, health officials are encouraging people to wear masks and face coverings in public to stop the spread of COVID-19.

amerigirl

LO, If he normally has a white face and it has never been proven that it was him in the pic why are you call him a racial slur?. The only way I would find your answers more appealing is if you could prove them. Good luck with that.

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Loudoun Observer

White face AG? The fellow you are taking orders from normally has a white face, except in some pictures that are going around. Would you find my points more appealing if I was more like the guy you voted for?

scottva

Well, apparently there is NO science or metrics that determine when to stop wearing masks. In fact, the exact opposite was just posted and the WHO is now saying that only healthy people should wear masks when they are around COVID patients. People who post comments have been saying all along to listen to our experts and now our experts are saying not to wear a mask UNLESS around a COVID patient.

Guest

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks

Voltaire

I hate to break it to you but posting and reposting the same argument over and over doesn't make the argument more valid and powerful.

Smartgrowth

How many positive tests were there last week when 1700 people were tested? Isn't this news worthy?

SensibleInDullesSouth

It was 9% positive for COVID. https://loudounnow.com/2020/05/25/9-percent-positive-at-covid-19-mass-testing-event/

amerigirl

Good info, good article, thanks for sharing.

Iluvloudoun

The numbers are up due to the free testing!! Most of those people are showing NO symptoms which is more reason to open up businesses not keeping them closed!! Keep ‘at risk’ people home and get us back to work!!!

amerigirl

Yes the numbers are up, it's the percentage of positive tests that really count not the numbers. The experts suggest having a metric of less than 10% positive tests. Only 15 states and Washington, DC, had a positive rate above 10%, Virginia and Maryland are 2 of those states. Why should risk at people have to stay home? Put a mask on and respect you neighbors. Show a little empathy for you fellow citizens. Some of the people not showing symptoms are asymptomatic and still have the virus and give it to others.

scottva

Well, apparently there is NO science or metrics that determine when to stop wearing masks. In fact, the exact opposite was just posted and the WHO is now saying that only healthy people should wear masks when they are around COVID patients. People who post comments have been saying all along to listen to our experts and now our experts are saying not to wear a mask UNLESS around a COVID patient.

Voltaire

What if businesses don't want you back to work? According to financial press, there are a lot of corporations that have been watching the remote work experiment and found that there are a lot of cost efficiencies that can be made and will start abolishing positions since this lockdown showed that certain industries can function with less personnel.

amerigirl

I would like to see all businesses back to work in a safe as possible setting. Personally I think salons and hair cut shops should have been open by appointment to make sure guidelines were followed. Yes they sure can work many times from home. Both of my kids are doing that right now. The oldest has a very high security clearance and sometimes needs to go in because the work product can't leave the building. They are extremely diligent with the staff that needs to come in because they are in the same room for periods of time. Many of the businesses could have stayed open if they could have provided assurances that they would not overcrowd and wear masks. But that is my opinion and someone would have to be there to enforce it.

scottva

Well, apparently there is NO science or metrics that determine when to stop wearing masks. In fact, the exact opposite was just posted and the WHO is now saying that only healthy people should wear masks when they are around COVID patients. People who post comments have been saying all along to listen to our experts and now our experts are saying not to wear a mask UNLESS around a COVID patient.

novanick

If true, that is actually MORE reason to keep them closed. That means that there is more asymptotic carriers.

Ouroboros

Let's see how this goes. . .

DBC

Can the Loudoun Times-Mirror report the number of Loudoun deaths in long term care/nursing home facilities?

Voltaire

I am not sure if they can. Depends on how the Virginia Department of Health and/or Loudoun County Department of Health report the data. It would be interesting to know which facilities specifically have the most problems but privacy laws/VA Code blocks them from reporting it out.

CindyLou

10 New deaths? All those "I don't wanna wear a mask" and "it's just the flu" people are clearly not pro-life. Every life matters and 10 more people have died in our community. This is not just the flu. 74,000 people died from the flu in 2018 in a year, this flu has killed 100,000 in 3 months. You can vomit up all the fake news you want about false figures, fake deaths, inflated numbers, and taking away your freedom, but in the end. There are 10 more deaths. God bless these families and I hope people wear masks and follow the guidelines keeping everyone safe.

amerigirl

That is the highest number Loudoun has had. I feel so bad for them and what they went through and their family and friends. I don't understand how people can look at these figures and dismiss them as just numbers and not wear a mask so less people will become down with it.

Voltaire

AG, I, as someone who has lost a loved one, also very bad for them as I know what they are going through. To answer your question, there are some quarters in this nation/Commonwealth/county who are so self-absorbed that they have abdicated their civic duty to their community and that is why they don't try to comply with social distancing requirements. As for the dismissing the death statistics, they either knowingly or unknowingly forget that this number is not simply a number but rather real people and real families. Instead, for them, it makes for fun parlor conversation and political gotcha games and talking points. That is totally unacceptable.

amerigirl

For sure. I know of a nurse who lost her life to it leaving behind a husband and kids. She was also pregnant, it was devastating and some people were just worried if the unborn child would count s a covid death.

scottva

I don't know how, but you always seem to outdo your previous comments CindyWHO. First of all, it sounds like you are saying these (10) people that just died were the result of someone NOT wearing a mask, got them sick and bam they died. This is a completely ignorant comment and I can promise you, there are no facts to back that up. People who don't wear a mask are NOT pro-life? This is another completely ignorant comment and I bet you pivot like a basketball players foot if someone were to say the same thing about your views on abortion. You'd say: "It's a women's choice, her health is between her and her doctor and the government should not be able to dictate what she can/cannot do with her body". Hypocrite.

I fully intend on following Northam's EO guidelines, to the absolute letter of the order. You see Cindy, wearing a mask would cause me health implications and Northam created exceptions for people like me. Seeing as your "pro-life" and all, I'm sure you wouldn't want to see any harm or death come to me due to my health conditions....right?

amerigirl

Can you stop your self-righteous self from making all the bully comments? How small of you. Like you know how they died. The fact is they did die. The facts is that many people like you are underplaying the facts because you have a political twist to it. Yes, the people who keep commenting that only old people die are NOT pro-life. Not all life is about abortions, real living people matter. Hypocrite. So, leave your abortion rant out of it. Doctors say that even people with asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease should wear masks in public. But now the big thing, according to business insider is all the anti-maskers claiming medical conditions. You should read the article “Anti-maskers say they can’t wear masks due to medical conditions”. What are they so afraid of? If you truly have that condition then you should have a note from your doctor, and you had better watch out because you will be one of those more likely to die from the virus.

scottva

Well CindyWHO, the WHO is now saying that only healthy people should wear masks when they are around COVID patients. People who post comments have been saying all along to listen to our experts and now our experts are saying not to wear a mask UNLESS around a COVID patient. Who are you going to bark at now? Are you going to refute what your expert is now saying? How can you possibly carry the message like a good Liberal if they have just blown your irrational rants sky high

amerigirl

again with the name calling, guess I will skip this nasty comment.

Voltaire

The experts that you are referring are public health experts in the international public sector and work for everyone globally, conceptually, not just for CindyWHO. Wow. You blast me for tone in my comments but the tone you put into the last two sentences is nasty and derogatory, to say the least...

Voltaire

As someone who has recently lost a loved one, my dad, to COVID-19 this week, I wanted to take a moment to say to those families who have lost someone that I am truly very sorry for your loss and I hope that you find comfort/solace during this tragic time. As a general comment, I find it absolutely appalling that people are using death counts as political talking points. This criticism applies to both sides of the political spectrum (Republican/Democrat). Now, there is a time/place for a discussion about the scope of Government intervention, mask wearing, and right of differing opinions during this emergency. However, the number of deaths in VA is not simply a statistic but rather it represents real people and they, like my dad, deserve respect/honor. They shouldn't be used as political talking points and the families of these people, including me, would actually appreciate if elected officials, be it Republican or Democrat, would have the common decency to say to those families "...I am sorry for your loss and hope you can find solace and comfort during this tragic time." Having someone say that to these families who are hurting won't bring back the loved ones that they lost, like my dad. However, it would show a little compassion/decency and that sentiment is one that this Commonwealth and nation needs to understand/apply. I find it amazing that Spain, constitutional monarchy, has more decency/respect for its dead and is demonstrating it through holding a 10-day memorial for those lost souls. Yet, here, we have gotcha games being played by both Democrats and Republicans. That is simply wrong/outrageous and needs to stop.

Spain, for It is absolutelythat could help this nation.

amerigirl

Vol, if that talk prevents more suffering for people like you dad then they should talk. If it convinces even 1 person who could be spreading the virus to wear a mask it is worth it. All lives matter, young and old and people should respect that enough to take precautionary measures to protect others form sickness or death.

Voltaire

AG, I don't mind if they are constructively using death statistics and actually agree with you that if this discussion helps an individual to make and informed decision and wear a mask then that is progress. I totally agree with you that all lives matter and agree that individuals, while they have individual rights, also have have a civic duty to be responsible to the community and due their part to fight this virus. What bothered me is that people have been and are using death statistics as point for gotcha games and other political stunts that are not productive for anything. The death statistics represent real people, like my dad, and they deserve respect/honor and their families compassion/understanding.

amerigirl

Totally agree.

scottva

I agree with your first sentence. However, the rest of your comments, well they're full of blanket ridicule and condemnation of others that don't see things as you do. While you're trying to be compassionate, you're villifying and attacking people unnecessarily. I know I've made all kinds of comments in these forums, some rude, some were correct, some were in fun but I have never condemned anyone for choosing to wear a mask and while you may not agree, the same level of respect should be provided to those that can't or choose not to wear a mask, otherwise we remain in a perpetual circle, undercutting each other and never advancing the dialogue you mentioned in your very first sentence.

Voltaire

Scottva, actually, no, I am not attacking people unnecessarily. What I find amazing is that this is a public health emergency with real world consequences and yet this forum perfectly illustrates that we in this country have to turn it into a game of political gotcha. As someone who officiates sports, I am not villifying or attacking people unnecessarily but rather calling what I see. There are more than several instances on this site where people, blinded by their righteousness, seem to fail to grasp that their premise is logically flawed. Prove where I have condemned anyone for choosing to wear a mask or not? To be honest, I wear a mask but I have friends who won't wear a mask. Based on the level of opinion on both sides of the political spectrum on this topic, we will continue to remain in a perpetual circle because we have two sides that refuse to compromise and listen to each other. We have on one side, a group that believes that masks should be worn and that the Government should enforce that with strict penalties. We have on the other side who believes that they have the right to not wear a mask and that Government shouldn't force them to. You want an advancing dialogue? Then both sides need to get off their "holier than thou" attitude and actually listen to each other. That is how the dialogue advances. There is middle ground and both sides can find if they were willing to listen to each other and have a rational conversation. Compromise is a cornerstone of this democracy. Not stupid name calling (both liberals/Democrats and Republicans) and other political stunts/juvenile tactics that have been illustrated on this site. Calling the Governor "coonman" and other elected officials derogatory terms is simply disrespectful to the offices they hold and are simply juvenile at best. People, instead of promoting responsible behavior during this health emergency, promoting "F democrats". Another classic example of juvenile behavior and that is the behavior that will lead to the perpetual circle that undercuts each other and stops advancing the dialogue. Maybe people need to be called out when they are logically/factually wrong. BTW I do provide respect to other commenters on this site and want to know who appointed you judge to determine what my comments/tone do. It could be that your perception of my "attacking and villifying people" is because the application of logic requires that. So be it. The last time that I checked, this is the USA, and it is my right to opine on the subject the way that I see fit.

amerigirl

Scott, speaking of ridicule and condemnation of others that don't see things as you do. All he said was that he felt it was okay to use data to draw conclusions and that being responsible to the community and due their part to fight this virus. He didn’t attack anyone, what is your problem? If you can’t than you can’t, Nobody said those who have a condition or children should have to wear a mask. But it is well documented how anti-maskers are using that excuse. If you go out in public you should have some way of proving it. Places of business can make those requirements, No shoes, No shirt, No mask, No entry.

scottva

Well, apparently there is NO science or metrics that determine when to stop wearing masks. In fact, the exact opposite was just posted and the WHO is now saying that only healthy people should wear masks when they are around COVID patients. People who post comments have been saying all along to listen to our experts and now our experts are saying not to wear a mask UNLESS around a COVID patient.

novanick

Voltaire, sorry to read of the loss of your father. My sincere condolences to you and your family.

I too wish this would stop being politicized so much and be treated for what it is, a health crisis.

Voltaire

Novanick, thank you very much for the kind sentiment. My family and I appreciate it greatly.

amerigirl

I feel like Annie singing "tomorrow"

Voltaire

Given the global situation, there is nothing wrong with having a little optimism.

ExitRamp

Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away,

Now it looks as through they're here to stay oh I believe in yesterday

Suddenly we're not as many as we used to be,

There's a virus hanging over me

Oh yesterday came suddenly

ace10

I sincerely hope that 9-1-1 isn't flooded with calls tomorrow by idiots reporting "mask violations." In reading some of the comments here on LTM on previous days, it appears to be a distinct possibility.

amerigirl

That would be bad for them because right now the only thing they can do is put you in jail. Northam is trying to get the assembly to make it so it will be a fine instead.

ace10

I do hope they throw any morons who call 9-1-1 in jail.

scottva

That is absolutely FAKE NEWS. Northam's EO is NOT being enforced by law enforcement, he says that quite clearly in the EO. The enforcement will be guided by businesses (No Shoes, No Shirt, No Mask No Service approach) and enforced by the Public Health Dept. at the business level through fines NOT jail.

scottva

Apparently there is NO science or metrics that determine when to stop wearing masks. In fact, the exact opposite was just posted and the WHO is now saying that only healthy people should wear masks when they are around COVID patients. People who post comments have been saying all along to listen to our experts and now our experts are saying not to wear a mask UNLESS around a COVID patient.

amerigirl

The true morons are those who think they are to cool to help their fellow citizens out by wearing a mask. Just remember that the kid you might be passing could have asthma, or that woman could be pregnant, or that man might have heart disease. But I doubt you care, your too cool.

scottva

Again, your comments, well they're full of blanket ridicule and condemnation of others that don't see things as you do. You're vilifying and attacking people unnecessarily. I have never condemned anyone for choosing to wear a mask and while you may not agree, the same level of respect should be provided to those that can't or choose not to wear a mask. So the definition of a good citizen is someone that thinks as you do, everyone else, well they're morons that want people to die. You don't even realize it but you are carrying the message of Alinsky and the planks of socialism. Ridicule and publicly shame those that don't agree with you. Sad, really sad.

novanick

No what is really sad is your broken record throughout this comment section. How many copypasta you going to make? I am wearing a mask to protect scottva, amerigirl, Voltaire, and even hardworkingamerican, and every other poster and their loved ones. I am wearing a mask to be a good citizen to my fellow Americans I do not have the right, assuming I am in fact asymptotic, to put anyone’s life in jeopardy. That is what a “good citizen” does.

amerigirl

Scott, did you even read the other posts? You want to jump all over me because I replied to Ace's comment "morons who call 9-1-1 in jail". I haven't condemned anyone like you are doing now. If you can't wear a mask then don't, but if you care at all about your neighbors and respect their wishes to not get sick then you should. Yesterday while my sister was in line at Giant the lady behind her kept rolling her eyes at her and as she was about to leave told her that the mask wasn't doing anything to protect her. Of course my sister relied that she works at a hospital full of Covid patients and she was wearing her mask to protect other people. People are so judgmental instead of having empathy. The only public shaming I have seen or even heard about is those shaming people wearing masks. Sad, really sad

scottva

Apparently there is NO science or metrics that determine when to stop wearing masks. In fact, the exact opposite was just posted and the WHO is now saying that only healthy people should wear masks when they are around COVID patients. People who post comments have been saying all along to listen to our experts and now our experts are saying not to wear a mask UNLESS around a COVID patient.

Voltaire

Actually, misuse of the 911 emergency communications system is a criminal infraction. Local law enforcement cannot enforce the mask mandate as that does not fall under the Virginia Criminal Code. It is the responsibility of the Virginia Department of Health to enforce this mandate and they will do this through either civil or administrative remedies.

springerdad

Losing 10 more people in these senior homes and assisted living facilities is so sad. This will keep happening until the virus runs it's course through these places.

As of tomorrow we have parts of what both sides want. We have mostly mandatory masks inside and a partial re-opening of the county.

However I don't think it will stop the usual hysterics from the same old posters on both sides.

This was from a Washington Post article today.

There’s a good chance the coronavirus will never go away.

Even after a vaccine is discovered and deployed, the coronavirus will likely remain for decades to come, circulating among the world’s population.

Experts call such diseases endemic — stubbornly resisting efforts to stamp them out. Think measles, HIV, chickenpox.

Voltaire

As someone who lost a loved one, my dad at a long term care facility, I totally agree that this is sad. I think that the Commonwealth of Virginia should do more to work on this matter. I really hope that you are wrong and that the level of hysteria concerning this virus will subside some. However, I am afraid that you may be right. As for the virus, it will not go away and will become an endemic, as the medical experts have opined. However, with the advent of vaccines and/or treatments, this situation should improve like measles, HIV, chickenpox, yellow fever did.

Iluvloudoun

Listening to the Washington Post? Seriously, they are politically motivated and want to destroy our economy. The county is doing the free testing to keep the county closed by inflating the numbers with asymptomatic people.

Good Guy

[thumbup] Time to get back to work! We have families to feed. Our local politicians can help by donating their salaries to the people they keep from working. If they did that this would be over by now. Nobody under 50 has died from this flu.

ExitRamp

@GG

Someone pointed out that it's only the people older than 50 who are dying off.

34% of the population is over 50. Just about everyone has family members over 50. These people exposing themselves to potential infection are also threatening the lives of their elderly family members. These people are that stupid.

Where have you been? People under 50 have died from COVID-19, others have suffered strokes and heart attacks.

Voltaire

Maybe. It could be that this remote work from home experiment has shown the leaders of the business community that they can still perform their corporate objectives with 50% less staff. Therefore, they could reduce operating costs and lay off those people and redirect those costs back into their businesses. So it may not be time to get back to work but time to clean out your desk. I don't believe that local officials would donate their salaries. COVID-19 is not the flu, however it has the same biological makeup of the common cold (another type of coronavirus). Your last premise is false. There have been people under 50 who have died from this virus.

amerigirl

Good, nobody under 50? If you are over 50 you don’t have a family to feed, mortgage and car payments? You are in denial if you think this is the flu, totally different, much more contagious, many more side effects, no defined timeline. Maybe you should donate your salary when you start working to those in the hospital with it since you think it’s okay to take working peoples money. If you think it’s the flu maybe you would be comfortable working with people who have it, there are entire crews of people at the hospitals that do nothing but flip people on ventilators and you don’t need medical training for that.

Voltaire

Do you have any evidence to support this claim? The county/state are probably doing this in an effort to get a better picture of the extent of the virus spread. It is part of the overall public health approach that the Government does for public health emergencies. They need that data to adjust resources/mitigation strategies. Good grief.

amerigirl

You listen to a paper? Also testing is what determines how quickly they can open as the percentages of positives go down. You can't inflate the percentages, you are either positive or negative. This is not some conspiracy like you seem to think it is, if anything what you are spreading is nothing more than a right wing conspiracy.

ExitRamp

@SD

---> "This will keep happening until the virus runs it's course through these places."

As long as we don't provide PPEs for caregivers and don't provide testing/isolation for everyone at senior nursing homes and rehab centers, we will continue to see needless deaths. I guess this is too much to ask.

---> "However I don't think it will stop the usual hysterics from the same old posters on both sides."

I don't think you can call the request that people care for others well-being by wearing masks and SD hysterical.

Voltaire

I agree with your first statement about senior nursing homes and rehab centers. The Commonwealth of Virginia needs to work a little harder on this aspect of the mitigation strategy/approach. It actually requires the Governor's Task Force, headed by the deputy commissioner of public health, to leave her office on 9th Street in Richmond and actually go out into the field and do real work and that might be too much to ask. As to the second premise, I think that you are right that if people, individually, have determined that wearing a mask is an action they want to do to help the community then that is not hysteria as there was rational planning involved there. However, there are cases of people who cannot wear masks for one of the exceptions outlined in the Governor's EO. If those people, after careful deliberation, determine to follow the rest of the social distancing/hygiene requirements, then the other side shouldn't shun them as they are doing what they can to be good citizens. Again, rational planning/consideration has been done and that does not meet hysteria either.

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