LCHS football

Loudoun County High School has been known as the Raiders since the 1950s.

The Loudoun County School Board plans to vote next week on whether to change Loudoun County High School’s mascot from the Raiders, a moniker with Confederate roots.

Loudoun County Public Schools Superintendent Eric Williams proposed the potential renaming as part of a presentation during Tuesday’s board meeting. His presentation summarized the division’s plan to combat systemic racism and followed several weeks of worldwide racial tension.

Blue Ridge District Representative Ian Serotkin filled in other board members on the mascot’s history, saying it was inspired by a famous Civil War battalion led by Confederate commander John S. Mosby, often referred to as Mosby’s Raiders or Mosby’s Rangers.

“Noted for their lightning-strike raids on Union targets and their ability to consistently elude pursuit, the Rangers, or Raiders, disrupted Union communications and supply lines,” Serotkin said, paraphrasing a Wikipedia entry on Mosby.

The Raiders mascot was selected in 1954 by an all-white student body out of four potential options. According to Serotkin, the school’s emblem featured the Confederate flag before community protests resulted in its removal in 1979, and the mascot’s appearance has since been altered several times.

Two LCHS alumni who participated in the lengthy public comment section at the meeting’s opening expressed their wishes that the mascot be changed.

“Since the 1950s, Loudoun County has greatly changed: Our schools, swimming pools and movie theaters are now integrated; major population growth has brought new people here from many different places, of many different backgrounds, yet the LCHS mascot is still the Raiders,” said Andrew Jelonek, who according to his Facebook page graduated LCHS in 2010.

Jelonek continued, “No matter what modifications are made to it, the raiders will always stand for slavery, white supremacy and racism. We believe Loudoun County should no longer glorify this mascot and its ideals.”

“To be honest, upon learning [the mascot’s basis], it changed my perspective on the school,” 2009 graduate Deirdre Dillon added. “It caused me to look at it as something that was backwards, old-fashioned and, to be honest, racist. The mascot was decided way back in 1954, which many people would say was a different time, but it was still nearly 100 years after the Civil War.”

Mosby is also the namesake of Mosby Woods Elementary School in Fairfax, which Serotkin said Fairfax County Public Schools is moving forward with plans to rename. Further, a stretch of Route 50 that runs through much of Loudoun County is dubbed John S. Mosby Highway.

“I think we need to take action on this. I would call upon [Chairwoman Brenda Sheridan] to schedule a public hearing to get public input on this topic, and after that I think we would, as a board, need to lead and look into renaming the mascot for Loudoun County High School,” Serotkin concluded.

Sheridan (Sterling District) said some level of controversy around the Raiders mascot has been evident since she began serving on the School Board nearly a decade ago, and that she appreciated Williams’s and division staff’s commitment to take action on the long-debated matter.

“... I am going to say I’m excited to be a part of making those changes,” she said.

Though Sheridan suggested the possibility of suspending the rules Tuesday night so the board could immediately vote on whether to remove the mascot, Beth Barts (Leesburg District) advocated for making the potential change at a later date so the LCHS community has a greater opportunity to speak out.

However, Barts also opined the financial and logistical implications of such an action meant the board should come to a decision sooner than later, and that the division should commit to taking on the monetary burden that would likely come with removing Raider imagery from the school.

“We need to be very cognizant of the purchases of everything that will need to be done to make sure that that school does not bear the brunt of a choice that was made in 1954,” she said. “I’m not sure everyone realizes the extent that that Raider is integrated physically into that building — on walls, on uniforms … everywhere.”

Barts later added, “We’re looking at $1 million at least.”

Serotkin also opposed taking any immediate action Tuesday, arguing LCHS students, families, staff and alumni should be able to have their say on the matter.

“As strongly as I feel about this, I would be uncomfortable, extremely uncomfortable, suspending the rules to vote on this tonight without giving any opportunity for public input prior to that sensitive vote taking place,” he said.

Ultimately, the board decided to bring the issue back as an action item for its June 29 meeting, during which LCPS community members will, as always, be able to sign up for public comment.

In the wake of recent racial tension, many southern localities, including Loudoun County, have reconsidered the presence of publicly-displayed Confederate imagery.

Tuesday’s Loudoun County School Board meeting is available to view in full at vimeo.com/432113742.

(157) comments

BobOhneiserEsq

Just substitute confederacy for communist and you can see mob rule trying to renew the McCarthy era. When do we learn from history instead of trying to rewrite it? Most of the family farm names used for LCPS schools had slaves so do we rename the schools? Do we rename the roads? Do we take down the MLK monument on the premise that some behavior was objectionable or the Washington monument because of some anarchist claim? Maybe we really need more jobs so these people can be distracted back into searching for opportunity for a quality existence through honest effort instead of gov't appeasement tactics. Let's take care of all the children here today and stop clouding the airwaves with BS. Let's start by helping the Plaza area be able to go their their local elementary school instead of the segregation based busing the school board is continuing! Let's DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE LOCALLY! :-)

amerigirl

Bob do we really need another far fetched conspiracy theory right now? History will NOT change, nobody will rewrite it, that is just crazy. Yes we rename and get past all this adoration and honoring of people who enslaved other people, not to mention went to war with US and lost. People have jobs, Virginia had a very low unemployment number and that will return. I don't think MLK ever fought against the US or endorsed slavery. What segregation based busing?

jke

For the uniformed it was Mosby's Rangers! Lay off the glass pipe!

amerigirl

I guess you're talking to yourself. The 43rd Battalion, Virginia Cavalry, also known as Mosby's Rangers, Mosby's Raiders, or Mosby's Men, was a battalion of partisan cavalry in the Confederate army during the American Civil War.

Read the third paragraph. Maybe look things up before you open your mouth

And if you actually looked it up;

workhardgetahead

Just call them the Loudoun County Liberals and give everyone that plays sports a participation trophy.

amerigirl

Your hate filled attitude is shining through.

workhardgetahead

Just as yours

amerigirl

Worked hard for that one huh?

JustAnotherOldSchooler

I was one of the original white kids to attend Douglass Grade school on Sycolin Road in 1968, and can say I'm proud of that. Made many black friends that I still keep in contact with today .

I then went to 7th Grade at Leesburg Middle School (The Original Douglass High School). I would later go to church with some folks that went there when it was an all black high school. They told me tales of how it was for them. I graduated from LCHS in 77 so I remember when the flag was removed from both the sign and the school mascot. So I think I have a pretty good handle on things as far as the history of how blacks, whites and other races coexisted at least in my years attending Schools in Leesburg.

Spending a million dollars to strip the gymnasium floor to remove the logo, all the other logos throughout the school painted on walls, doors, sheds, parking lot signs, practice and game uniforms for every sport and cheer leading along with band uniforms, all the boosters merchandise used for raising funds,administrators business cards and so on and so on.

I think the former students realized the issue when the Confederate flag was removed and they took it serious as they were allowed to vote on a new flag and then later another logo was created. Raider doesn't have to mean Civil War, the Vikings were seafaring Raiders, How about the Raiders of the Lost Ark (lighten up people).

With the hit the economy has taken and the growth of our county, or even without that the money could be allocated to much more important needs. I mean if everybody wants to bring up history check your books the Vikings and Spartans did some pretty savage things. I don't think they should have to change their name either. Lets move on with much more urgent matters. Thanks

Voltaire

JustAnotherOldSchooler--thank you for your perspective. I agree with you that the term "Raider," contrary to the prevailing viewpoint, does not have to have a Confederate connotation. It is a synonym for the word "pirate". Unfortunately, it appears that people don't want to tackle the urgent matters of the day and would rather go after low hanging fruit, less taxing matters of changing happy to glad and angry to mad that amount to nothing. The money should be allocated to more important needs.

amerigirl

It doesn't have to be dome all at once. Pass the referendum and start with the small stuff.

Djfmer

The estimate to rename is 1 million dollars. Instead of using hard earned tax dollars the students should foot the bill with fundraisers. "Two LCHS alumni who participated in the lengthy public comment section at the meeting’s opening expressed their wishes that the mascot be changed." What do the current students think about a name change? If they have to raise the mone

amerigirl

Yes, the estimate is $1million, school budget totals $1.3 billion. I think they can find the money to right a wrong. Students should foot the money? It wasn’t the students that made the mistake of naming the school after confederates that fought against the US. It’s a one time change that is long overdue.

scottva

Actually it was named by students when it opened up. Must have grown up to be racists.

amerigirl

If it is like any other place the students are given a list to pick from and they vote on it, they don't come up with the list. So you went there?

Voltaire

AG--the word "Raider" does NOT have to be associated with the Confederacy. It is a synonym for the word pirate. If, as the School Board stated, that the visual imagery of the Confederacy was removed from Loudoun County High School in 1979, then why do we have to waste $1M on a fresh "rebranding campaign". What tangible benefit does the County and its taxpayers get? Except for a "feel good moment", not a whole lot.

amerigirl

If, but everyone knows it is for the Mosbys Raiders. Look at the logos used by the teams, definitely civil war era.

Accountability

Yes, let's add an extra $1M in expenditures during a pandemic where state revenues are falling. Brilliant!!! Never mind low income families that could use it, or the fact that teachers that buy their own supplies still. So smart! I am sure there is a "Hurt Feelings" slush fund we can pull this from, because a $1.3 billion budget is definitely not allocated to specific things already.

amerigirl

Who said it all has to take place at one time? At least get the ball rolling.

LongtimeLoudouner

Well it wouldn’t be the first time a school mascot was changed. J. Lipton Simpson Middle School’s mascot used to be a dragon. Most likely some parents must have found it offensive for religious reasons and demanded the change. Those who find a confederate mascot offensive for the reason we all know why, then why not honor those requests as well. After all, the Simpson change was only over something mythical.

JustAnotherOldSchooler

" J. Lipton Simpson Middle School’s mascot used to be a dragon. Most likely some parents must have found it offensive for religious reasons and demanded the change." Can you elaborate on that name change, been around here all my life and don't remember Simpson ever being called anything but the Mustangs. Couldn't find anything about it Newpaper Archival searches or other means. If thats the case can't understand why Arcola Elementary would be called the Dragons now. Thanks

i_bite_racists

As an alumna of this school and a POC from a military family, I cannot tell you how embarrassing it is to have had to participate in Raider Spirit knowing the history of the school, Leesburg, and Loudoun County. It is even more embarrassing seeing so many people who may have been my neighbors speak out against this initiative to change the mascot by reducing its supporters to "snowflakes" and saying it goes “too far”.

To those people, I urge you to speak to any of your POC neighbors, colleagues, and classmates from the area and ask how it was for them to be constantly surrounded by reminders of a divided nation and a failed rebellion whether it be a mascot, a statue, a town name, a street name, living on an old plantation, or what have you.

To hold on to this part of “heritage” that lasted only 4 years only serves one purpose and it is to glorify a White history that wanted to belittle and erase racial minorities from the story.

Let’s not forget that the original battle flag used in the Raider logo gained popularity in the Civil Rights Movement by Southern states to support segregation laws. And here you are, fighting for it to be kept around for your comfort.

scottva

@i_bite_racists - You said: ".......ask how it was for them to be constantly surrounded by reminders of a divided nation and a failed rebellion whether it be a MASCOT, a STATUE, a TOWN NAME, a STREET NAME, living on an old plantation, or what have you." First, what you fail to recognize is that these painful reminders you mentioned are all inanimate objects. It doesn't mean they can't be hurtful reminders, but they are still inanimate objects.

Fast forward to 2020. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to be white in present day? The media, businesses, sports are constantly calling white people racists, white people owe black people an apology for harms done a long, long time ago, white people owe black people money, white people are born racist (I refer you to the book "White Fragility" by Robin DiAngelo), the LCPS is cramming down student, staff and parents throats that we are all "implicitly biased", the list goes on and on. I owe no one an apology for things I or my family have not done and I do not harbor any white guilt. This garbage is happening everyday ALL DAY and these aren't inanimate objects. Unless you've heard one of the statues or mascots or street names say anything derogatory to you or about your race and blame you for all the crimes being committed then I'd say there's a big difference between the inanimate objects and what white people are facing today. I'm not trying to criticize you but ask that you have a willingness to see what life is like today for people that are not POC. If you cannot do this or see it as an eye-for-an-eye then we're at a stalemate.

amerigirl

Wow, if inanimate objects are hurtful then what is the point of having them? How do you now the race of the person posting? I'm white and I don't find it hard to be white or really even let my race have any effect on my life. You keep mentioning books like people have time to red a book and respond to you. maybe you should mention a section or gist from part of it? Just a suggestion. I don't think anyone should apologize for another but the US govt had promised things to freed slaves that never materialized. They should fulfill their promises. (“40 acres and a mule” ) those promises are not feasible today so some other reparation should be made. Just as if the govt had collected to much n taxes from one of your grandparents the money would be returned to the estate and divided to the heirs.

scottva

AG - How do I know the color of the person posting the comment? Because they used the acronym "POC", which besides standing for "Primary Point of Contact" also means "People of Color". Yes, I did mention a book and I agree not everyone has the time or the will to read many books, below is a brief description. The author states that all white people are born implicitly racist, rather than it being learned or instilled. That's just as bad as saying all blacks are natural-born thieves, looters, or basketball players. Pretty stupid and it paints an entire race and we both know neither is true. Reparations? Are you kidding me? If those slaves are still alive, I'm all on board. However, the likelihood of them still being alive is, well not likely. So then where does the government get all the money to pay reparations? Since the government is funded by taxpayers, it would come from us. If I am mandated to pay reparations then I should be entitled to a slave. Why would I pay for something I had nothing to do with? Because of the color of my skin, I'm supposed to feel guilty and willingly just hand over money that I've earned? I don't think so. Suggesting today's blacks are entitled to reparations is simply absurd.

It is healthy and smart to never forget the past but it's dangerous, counterproductive, and unhealthy to live with deep-rooted resentments from a period of time in which none of us lived. Why are people seeking to selectively remember the past? Tearing down statues, changing mascots and street names because they are reminders of a period of time that were not good is going to heal the country? Is it going to shrink the racial divide? Nope and Nope. I think race relations and the problems we have is very much worthwhile, but it should be lead by POC and white people that are level headed, honest, and have a willingness to talk about the things that would make most people cringe. Not by a radical group and it's proxies issuing ridiculous demands or they will burn the system down. How does that help anyone? It doesn't.

"White Fragility" Summary: "Discusses the defensive moves that white people make when challenged racially, white fragility is characterized by emotions such as anger, fear, and guilt and by behaviors including argumentation and silence. These behaviors, in turn, function to reinstate white racial equilibrium and prevent any meaningful cross-racial dialogue"

Voltaire

AG--Currently, the call for reparations is mainly made on behalf of descendants of people from Sub-Saharan Africa who were enslaved and then trafficked to the Americas as a consequence of the Atlantic slave trade. Why should I pay for something that occurred in 1619? The answer is that I shouldn't. The United States wasn't even in existence. The "United States" was a series of colonies under the jurisdiction of the British Crown. So, if anyone should be paying reparations it shouldn't be U.S. citizens but HRH Government at 10 Downing Street. However, that approach didn't work. In 2004 descendants of Africans enslaved in America enlisted lawyer Ed Fagan in a class action lawsuit in the Queen's Bench Division of the High Court of the U.K. against insurance market Lloyd's of London, among other British and American corporations, stating that by insuring and financing the slaving ships they were complicit in genocide. The case was not successful. Furthermore, in a separate matter, the British Government rejected another claim for repatriations which said it could not be held accountable for wrongs in past centuries. As for apologies for slavery, the UK has ALREADY done that TWICE. In 27 November 2006, British Prime Minister Tony Blair made a partial apology for Britain's role in the African slavery trade. However African rights activists denounced it as "empty rhetoric" that failed to address the issue properly. They feel his apology stopped shy to prevent any legal retort. Blair again apologized on 14 March 2007. So, this "reparation" is nothing but a wealth distribution scheme and is wrong. Explain to me, if the system is "rigged", then how did the founder of BET become a billionaire? How are there other minorities that prospered financially? Oh, let me guess, it is hard work and saving. So, is it really fair to take money and redistribute it? No, this is a capitalistic country and I have earned my wealth through hard work and saving and I don't need the U.S. Government taking it and redistributing it to make up for something that the proper authorities, the British Government, have said is bunk. If we are going to become more like the European Union, maybe it be better to live there.

amerigirl

Scott, seriously?? How do I know? Did you read what it said? The line “I owe no one an apology for things I or my family have not done and I do not harbor any white guilt.” So, stop with your acronym’s. If those slaves were still alive? What about the land they couldn’t hand down to their heirs? The US made promises they didn’t keep and people suffered because those promises were never kept.

OMG I can’t believe you said “IF I AM MANDATED TO PAY REPARATIONS THEN I SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO A SLAVE.” It is about promises the US made to slaves and never came through on. It is something the US did and you are part of the US. Believe me you pay for many things you have nothing to do with through the govt. Your tax dollars go to aid dollars for over 200 foreign countries. They could cut back on the over a billion each a year given to Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, Egypt or Jordan and invest it in this country. You worry about tax dollars? Look at the huge breaks given to the rich, or the $’s spent on the wall that people climb, cut or simply wait until the flood gates under them are opened. That is waste of tax dollars.

amerigirl

Volt, because the 40 acres was promised under Union General William T. Sherman’s Special Field Order No. 15, issued on Jan. 16, 1865.This was the agreement discussion that Sherman and Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton held four days before Sherman issued the Order, with 20 leaders of the black community in Savannah, Ga., where Sherman was headquartered following his famous March to the Sea. : “The islands from Charleston, south, the abandoned rice fields along the rivers for thirty miles back from the sea, and the country bordering the St. Johns river, Florida, are reserved and set apart for the settlement of the negroes [sic] now made free by the acts of war and the proclamation of the President of the United States. Section 2 stated that that these new communities, moreover, would be governed entirely by black people themselves: no white person whatever, unless military officers and soldiers detailed for duty, will be permitted to reside; and the sole and exclusive management of affairs will be left to the freed people themselves … By the laws of war, and orders of the President of the United States, the negro [sic] is free and must be dealt with as such.” Section 3; each family shall have a plot of not more than (40) acres of tillable ground, and when it borders on some water channel, with not more than 800 feet water front, in the possession of which land the military authorities will afford them protection, until such time as they can protect themselves, or until Congress shall regulate their title.” Andrew Johnson a sympathizer with the South, overturned the Order in the fall of 1865, and, as Barton Myers sadly concludes, “returned the land along the South Carolina, Georgia and Florida coasts to the planters who had originally owned it”, to the very people who had declared war on the United States of America. This "reparation" is not a wealth distribution scheme, but a promise broken. If we can give billions of dollars of aid to foreign countries then why shouldn’t we make some sort of reparation to our own people, and personally II would like to include Native Americans in that.

scottva

AG- You're right, I can't believe I said that either. Sounds as crazy and outlandish as suggesting I'm on the hook for reparations. I need a new dishwasher, will you pay for it?

Voltaire

AG—no, my original statement stands. It is a wealth distribution scheme and it is wrong. The Government, if they do this reparation scheme, will be redistributing wealth away from people who legitimately earned it and giving to everyone else. That is the classic economic definition of socialism. This is, currently, a capitalistic economy/country and it is not right to do that. Again, what about those minorities that made it over here with no “reparation” provided by the Government? Like Robert Johnson, the founder of BET, he is a billionaire and nobody in Government provided him with zip squat. There are others like him. They did it through hard work and saving/investing and following their ambitions. Why can’t/don’t those others do that? There is nothing that is prohibiting them from doing so. Like the British Government’s official viewpoint, I shouldn’t be held accountable for wrongs in past centuries. As to foreign aid, there are legitimate reasons to provide foreign aid such as National security concerns have continued to drive U.S. assistance policy, aiming to provide stability in conflicted regions, bolster allies, promote democracy, or contribute to counter-terrorism and law enforcement efforts abroad. Other objectives, related to but separate from U.S. national security, also drive assistance. These include, most notably, humanitarian relief efforts to respond directly to acute disasters, poverty reduction, health care, and other development programs.

amerigirl

Scott, did I ever say I would give you anything? Nope, Did the US government say and create orders and list lands that were to be given to freed slaves. Yes, they did.

amerigirl

Volt, then we agree to disagree?

Voltaire

AG--concur. We agree to disagree on this topic.

i_bite_racists

Do you know how difficult it has been to be Black for the last 400 years? You've felt somewhat uncomfortable for what, a couple of months?

No one is saying that you are a racist and you should apologize for sins. What people ARE saying is that your life has not been systematically made more difficult because of your skin color and there is ZERO HARM in owning that. It is time to openly recognize that and make an effort to educate yourself and use your privilege to uplift other communities to be given equitable opportunities so that this "privilege" no longer exists.

To your point of inanimate objects, sure, that's exactly what they are. But you forget that they were chosen as SYMBOLS for what we as a community want to emulate in terms of our values and morals. That's what mascots are for, and statues, and all of that. Do you see Germany keeping the Berlin wall or having statues around of the small mustached man to serve as "reminders"? NO! That's why we have books and history so that hopefully we don't repeat it and we definitely don't have to honor it with symbols of an anti-American, treasonous time.

scottva

@i_bite_racists - No I don't know what's like to black for the past 400 years and I've felt offended and "uncomfortable" for longer than a few months. Do I need to feel "uncomfortable" for 400 years in order to relate? We're supposed to learn from the past right? If we're in agreement there then I would think you might be onboard trying to not have another race, white people, go through similar experiences. None of us can change the past and in order to change the present and the future, we have to remember the past, learn from it, and move forward collectively as humans and not just as black and white people.

Not sure who these people are that are saying my life has not been systematically made more difficult because of my skin color, because for me, they couldn't be more wrong. You see, my Italian grandparents were placed in internment camps during WW2 in the US. Were they spies, traitors, criminals? Nope. Their only crime was being Italian in America and considered to be "enemies of the state" until the mid-1940s. Once that was lifted, life really became difficult for the Italians. There were many "Italian Free Zones" established around the country, they were all racially discriminated against and called all of the equivalent derogatory names as blacks. Maybe they weren't "slaves" but our country despised them. My mother's parents were dead set against her marrying my father. Why? Only because he was Italian. She married him anyway and over the years they grew to love him and his extended family. I'm not black but I am Italian and can very much relate to the garbage blacks have had to put up with, I lived through it myself. Italians, including my family, took a beating over the years simply because they were Italian. What did they do? They proved to the racist "white man" that no matter what they said or did, they were going to succeed. They fought uphill battles the entire time, they opened businesses and they gave a giant middle finger to those opposed to them and proved they could make it, despite being hated. Additionally, they did not burn down cities, tear down statues, ransack their own neighborhoods, and demand that an American with "white privilege" uplift their communities. They did not demand that American's with "white privilege" should provide them with "equitable opportunities", again, a big middle finger because they held themselves accountable and did it on their own. We haven't closed the door on the past, we just choose to learn from it and not live in it.

As far as using my "privilege" to uplift other communities, which privileges would they be? Are you suggesting that my "privilege" and "uplift" contributions come in a monetary form and that would help to make things "equitable"? Not a chance my friend. However, here's what I have done, I've personally written (2) checks in the last week, one for the family in Chicago who's 3-year-old kid was shot and killed and another to the family of the 13 year old girl that was shot and killed last weekend. These are the people that need help man and BLM isn't doing jack to help them, none of them. Just read what their platforms are all about, it centers around police and white people and NOT the black communities being decimated by one another. Those are the people and communities I choose to help, not because of "privilege" but because of basic humanity. How is the outrage over statues and mascots helping the black community? Is it protecting the kids from violence? No, it's a shiny object that is moving the focus of real life situations to inanimate objects. Want to make a difference, start to focus on real people in trouble and not something that you allow yourself to be triggered by. The rest of the radicals destroying the country can go take a flying leap, they have done ZERO to help black communities.

Voltaire

I_bite_racists--OK, so how do you know "how difficult is has been to be Black for the last 400 years"? You weren't around for that duration so how can you articulate what those individuals would have felt/said? The answer is that you cannot. As to the statement about communities, explain to me then how there are minority businessmen, such as Robert Johnson, founder of BET, who made their fortune on their own? What about other minority people who started out with nothing and made their way through hard work and focus? Nobody wants to discuss them because that clearly defeats the argument that the Government should come and save the day. That is not how a capitalist nation works. In this country, people have to work to achieve their goals and that doesn't involve Government intervention. Everyone, rather people believe it or not is not relevant, are equal in this country. This isn't the United Kingdom where they have a two-class system. You are free, within the bounds of reason, do whatever you want to do. As to inanimate objects, no, that perspective is wrong. There is no ONE definitive determination as to what a statue means. You are trying to make it that way and that is wrong. A statue is an inanimate object and can provide different meanings to different people. As for the Berlin Wall, yes, the German authorities kept three standing portions of it. No, there are no statues of the Fuhrer or his party. However, there are statues to commemorate the people in a particular village/town who died while fighting in the Wehrmacht/Kriegsmarine/Luftwaffe.

i_bite_racists

Scott, you made a good point before throwing it out the window. YES, the point is to recognize and own up to the past and move forward collective AS HUMANS. That takes work and allyship from people on all sides. This is not to say that other populations have not experienced hate and bigotry throughout America's history (Native Americans, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Chinese, Italians, Irish, and LGBTQ+ communities). The points that we are discussing are the symbols and figures Loudoun County has been keeping around, including the Raider mascot, which unnecessarily glorify anti-American values.

Whether or not you can RELATE to the plight of Blacks and Indigenous Peoples is not the point. You do not have to relate to know that it is abhorrent. I can go into specific instances where I have been pulled over in Leesburg for the music I was playing in my car or having a party where many people didn't speak English only for the cops to roll up 5 cars deep for no reason, but I do not need that experience to believe that it exists.

Voltaire, yes, what a concept, minorities can reach greatness. But you do not realize that the hurdles they had to cover were more than any white man, in general, has had to overcome. Just as white men can amount to very little despite their inherent privileges built into our society. READ AND OPEN YOUR MIND.

Voltaire

I_bit_racists—my goodness, aren’t we the elite one? For your information, I am very well read and you cannot direct me to zip squat. Nobody is saying that minorities cannot achieve greatness. What I am saying is that it is wrong and improper for people to use the Government to compensate for their lack of abilities/initiative. It does not matter what color under the rainbow a person is in this country. I have proven that with specific illustrations of minorities who have, on their own, demonstrated that they the abilities to make it. They did WITHOUT Government intervention. Why can’t others do it? The answer is that they can but they have made the choice not to. They rather wrap themselves up with the “victim” argument and demand that society give them what they want on a silver platter. That is not how this game is played. As I have stated, this is a capitalistic society and people have to work to achieve their goals. If you want a truly equal playing field, then you need to move to a socialist country. Despite your best effort, your perception of “inherent privileges” doesn’t fit into this narrative as you shown that there are whites, just like other types of people, can amount to little. Maybe you need to get off moral high horse and understand some basic economics.

Borninloudoun

You didn’t have to participate! The mascot was changed long before you were in school I am sure. The school moved beyond that. Guess you didn’t attend UVA knowing the founder owned slaves?

SouthRidingRider

Maybe a NYC approach to naming schools would work. Something to the effect of P.S. 1 standing for Public School 1. I am sure you can pick any ONE person from history and present and there will be another human being that will have issue with that ONE person. Animals make nice mascots no matter how non-threatening they are. Let's Go Koalas!

Voltaire

SouthRidingRider--LOL, I actually like the NYC approach to naming schools. Similar to how they number NYPD precincts. The use of animals works too.

geoffhayton

Good. Stop honoring traitors. The idea that either history or heritage are contained in previous generations doubling down on a terrible mistake is absurd. You--you reading this--you're not for what the Confederacy was for. You've just grown up with this omnipresence of CSA lost cause nonsense, and having to examine your past to consider whether you've been making a mistake for fifty years is uncomfortable. 19th century southern gentry had a good thing going, so they resented anybody curtailing their prosperity for humanitarian reasons, and they spun the war like anyone spins any war to people who didn't know better. Our way of life is under attack from the outside! Join and fight to preserve our way of life! It sounds better that way. Let it all burn. No more deluding ourselves, no more honoring traitors.

ace10

Join and fight?

What about the tens of thousands of men who were conscripted into service?

When one paints with broad brush strokes things can get messy.

amerigirl

Museums and history books.

scottva

Jeopardy:

Q - Where can Amerigirl be found?

A - Museums and history books

Voltaire

Geoffhayton--and just who gave you the moral authority to sit here, act all high and mighty, and make declarative statements judging people? Well? The answer is nobody. Yet, that is actually what you are doing and that is wrong. The historical record, whether you like it or not is irrelevant, stands and the following items are historical FACTS: (1) The American Civil War happened; (2) The Confederate States of America (CSA) existed/fought and lost, and (3) the North (Union) won the Civil War. There is nothing "uncomfortable" about the historical record. Who gave the "moral authority" to judge it? Nobody. For the record, nobody is "glorifying" the CSA. However, there are people who have ancestors who have fought and died during that conflict for the CSA and they deserve to honor their kin the way that they, not you, see fit. Also, the former Confederate States are not glorifying the war either however they are recognizing their history and that is not wrong either. In order to truly understand a conflict, such as the American Civil War, you have to understand both sides of the conflict. That includes understanding the reasoning as to why the CSA wanted to leave the Union and form their own country. But, no, that requires an open mind which is not present here. Instead, what we have here is the popular mind set that if it has the initials "CSA" it is automatically evil and society would be better off either erasing or ignoring. Well, as a student of history, I find that viewpoint to be totally wrong and totally disturbing.

BobOhneiserEsq

Clearly while being faced with a global pandemic which has already interrupted 80,000 plus children and coming up to a challenging fall with no coherent plan in place this is what the $1.4 billion/year school board should be spending precious time on. SAD!

Voltaire

Bob--you actually expect any component of the Loudoun County Government, such as public schools, to do anything constructive like planning? Tearing down mascots is such a simpler task and not as taxing.

ace10

Loudoun County High School Rainbows. There, that settles it.

Unless the visible light spectrum is offended by it.

Oh, and what about the Hawaiians? They might not appreciate the cultural appropriation.

#BanAllMascotsNow

dude1

how about we let the kids decide what they want?

ChocolateDinosaur

I think this an interesting route to take and would really serve as a chance for the students to educate themselves and make a real world decision.

dude1

sad that people think a logo is more important than creating a safe and welcoming community

Voltaire

Dude1--enjoy making blanket statements with no supporting collaboration? How do you know what people in this community think/feel about "creating a safe and welcoming community"? The answer is that you don't.

dude1

HUGE DISCLAIMER: anyone in the world can create an account and comment here, as well as put their name on the petition. it's possible that many aren't from the area. could even be people who only want to stir up hate and dissonance for america.

ace10

I whole-heartedly encourage the Left to continue pushing their agenda.

You're losing the middle with your lunacy. And that's all that really matters.

hardestworkingamerican

Exactly and this will bear out in the numbers as soon as these unfair polls are exposed. In fact they should probably stop polling all together.

Countyrez

Might as well add in Balls Bluff elementary as the Battle of Balls Bluff was a confederate victory. Add Frances Hazel Reid too, as she was a member of the Daughters of the Confederacy. John Champe has to go, he also fought with the Confederacy. While we are at it, Leesburg and Loudoun County need to go to as they have ties to slavery and the confederacy.

Loudoun4Trump

We must change Leesburg; Balls Bluff school; Sully school; probably several other Loudoun schools named after confederate soldiers or plantation owners....also, I thought they were Mosby's Rangers....maybe they were both Rangers and Raiders, not sure.....and certainly no one will know once all the history is erased in favor of antifa monuments like CHOP and BHAZ......

Thebroof

Budget shotfalls. Cutting money from special education. Spending millions to change a football logo. Will the NFL Raiders change their name too? Democrats already pushing for re segregation and they've convinced blacks its a good idea.

dude1

have you had a conversation with a black person about how they feel?

scottva

Yup and none feel oppressed, all are tired of the pandering and excuses being made on their behalf and they are sick of hearing about how bad white people are.

JustAnotherOldSchooler

I have with several black colleagues who attended LCHS, some participated in Sports and said they are proud to be Raiders and don't favor the change. These are people that can think for themselves, don't have an agenda or blindly follow along like some of the posters on her who never even knew who John Mosby was till a couple months ago.

amerigirl

If you went to school in Virginia you know who Mosby was, taking Virginia history is a requirement. You have a warped idea of what people are like. Dump them all into that mold you have made.

DonTomas

I don’t favor a name change. I’ve been here for 25 years and have two Raider kids. But I’m also a Union descendant. So I think a good new name if it comes to that is “The Rangers”, after the Loudoun Rangers, a Union Partisan outfit. I think this preserves the Raider spirit but is to me a more authentic expression of the area , which had a great deal of Union Sympathy.... https://www.loudounhistory.org/history/loudoun-cw-rangers/

scottva

None of this is in the name of diversity or equity, not one darn thing. If they want to erase American history, perhaps they can go far enough back to erase slaves and slave owners and we can start from a clean slate, after all, it is 2020 and it's about time we as a society move forward.

Virginia SGP

Scottva, you are missing the point. Their goal is to have all other races (whites, Asians) take a knee everyday upon entering the school as they are "forgiven" by their black classmates. It doesn't matter than many/most of those whites/Asians' families arrived after slavery or even after the 1960s or that significant numbers of blacks are recently immigrated. The point is to establish a permanent victimhood class that gets preferences and special treatment. Such indoctrination helps them at the polls with these kids years later.

Just like there is no rational reason to allow open borders, they do this for one reason only: future votes. These arguments are nothing more than attempts to seize power.

dude1

hmm why would someone want to take away power? maybe things aren't fair?

scottva

"Fair" what's that mean? What exactly isn't fair? Is being black fair? How about being white, is that fair? You know what's not fair doodie, people living in the past as if it were the present. White fragility is not fair, in fact it's a completely racist concept. Harboring resentments only builds on hate. You want a peaceful and loving society, try acting civil and not blaming everything and everyone around you, be accountable. Do you really think changing this mascot or ripping down statues promotes healing? If people are that sensitive then they have bigger issues. Life's not fair doodie, move on and spare me the "you're not black you have no idea what it's like". I do know this much, this black movement singles out whites as the racists, been that way forever. However, whites now have ALL races, religions, and ethnicities blaming them for all their troubles, that's not right.

LeesburgD

Spot on, as usual, Virginia SGP.

dude1

imagine you were jewish and the mascot was a "nahzi fighter" (the site won't let me spell it correctly lol)

shawnc292

Hi all if any of you feel this change is a waste of 1 million dollars or that this money could be spent better elsewhere feel free to sign this pettition which is quickly growing. https://www.change.org/p/lcps-do-not-change-the-lchs-mascot

TomPaine

That million dollar cost is pure BS. Erasing the iconography is the matter of a few gallons of paint and a few signs. No way it goes anywhere near that cost. That figure was pulled out of a dark and smelly place.

KK153

scoreboards, turf fields. helmet and uniforms for about 20 sports, logos in about 100 places the school building, online branding, printed branding, etc...

Borninloudoun

Not to mention band uniforms and trailer

RandomName2019

A million seems high, but it wouldn't be chearp. They would need to replace the turf field logo section if they move away from sabres, any physical location with a logo that can't be repainted, team uniforms, practice gear, etc.

dude1

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Topdog1

Wow! Let’s just rename everything as a number (i.e. 1, 2, 3...) since every name probably is offensive to some idiot out there. It would be great if people would spend all this energy on something really productive like helping the elderly or the disadvantaged with basic needs. People are out there hungry while others are out there wasting time and money to change names that do nothing to solve problems. Oh, and lose that idiotic term “woke”, sounds like someone who can’t speak correct English.

Loudoun Observer

The left would rather be triggered and angry than productive and helpful. Next week they will start the book burning once they run out of statues that scare them.

dude1

i will work for free to help make this change

Voltaire

Dude1--if you support book burning, then you are in the wrong country. Maybe you should consider relocating to a communist country where the STATE tells you to do and how to do it. I hear the Russian Federation is nice this time of year. Da Comrade?

BladerFool

Both my LCHS graduates want the name changed. It's very offensive to some, some are embarrassed, and some just want to argue... Change the name to honor those who deserve it, Maybe 'GS Patton HS' or 'WT Sherman HS'?

Voltaire

BladerFool--while I, as a student of military history, totally admire/respect General Patton and General William T Sherman, neither one of these military leaders would pass today's "racism" test. For Patton, while he served as Military Governor of Bavaria at the end of World War II, trivialized "denazification". In addition, there were two incidents when he slapped subordinates at a military hospital and was reprimanded by Eisenhower. As for William T. Sherman, he is viewed as a racist and a white supremacist. Sherman’s attitude toward black people was basically one of contempt. He was quite comfortable with publicly referring to them by the N-word, even though he was well aware that then, as now, the term was highly offensive. “But say ‘N-’ in the United States,” he complained, and “the whole country goes crazy.” He was particularly incensed at the idea of considering blacks to be equal to whites. “I like N-s well enough as N-s, but when fools and idiots try and make N-s better than ourselves, I have an opinion."

Virginia SGP

Do you mean General Patton, the general who insisted on having 10Ks die on the last days of World War I when he knew an armistice was coming just to gain a few yards of territory? That General Patton?

scottva

Let's change it to BladerFool High School. So what if "some" are offended and "some" are embarrassed, many are offended at the notion of changing the name of the mascot. My God, move forward in life. People are always going to be offended at something so do we jump and pander to those offended so we seem like decent, caring people? There is no barometer on being offended and we used to use common sense as our guide. Now, decisions are being made because of stupid signs and messaging that is so conflicted these people cannot distinguish left from right, let alone right from wrong.

One of the primary "leaders" of BLM said, just tonight "If we don't get OUR WAY, we'll burn the entire system and country down and rebuild it how we believe it should be". If people want to bend over for people like this then they have no soul, conscious, or understanding of what equity and diversity really are. It's all being lost with this extreme radicalism. Maybe you live life by threats, but I'll be damned if I provide one ounce of sympathy. Do what we want or else, right out of their mouth, not mine. Can't be any more cut and dry than that.

dude1

lol get a life dude

KK153

Both of your LCHS graduates are probably woke snowflakes... apple doesn't fall far from the tree I guess

dude1

what does that make you?

TomPaine

The name derives from Mosby's Raiders. By all modern standards Mosby was a terrorist that indulged in kidnapping and summary executions. He's not worthy of any honor.

Voltaire

Tom Paine--No, Colonel Mosby was not a terrorist. His forces used guerilla warfare on Union supply lines in Maryland and Virginia. There is a difference between guerilla warfare and terrorism. Contrary to terrorist groups, guerrillas usually work in open positions as armed units, try to hold and seize land, do not refrain from fighting enemy military force in battle and usually apply pressure to control or dominate territory and population. While the primary concern of guerrillas is enemy’s active military units, terrorists largely are concerned with non-military agents and target mostly civilians. Guerrilla forces principally fight in accordance with the law of war (jus in bello). In this sense, they respect the rights of innocent civilians by refraining from targeting them. Terrorists, on the other hand, do not limit their actions and terrorise civilians by putting fear in people’s hearts and even kill innocent foreigners in the country. In essence, guerrilla warfare is not symbolic but rather devoted to a certain aim by contrast to terrorism where violence is a tool and symbol.

TomPaine

Spies are regularly executed in times of war. That type of infiltration is what Mosby did regularly. When some of his men were executed for being out of uniform (spies) Mosby executed actual Union soldiers in retaliation. That was the act of a terrorist. He was a racist monster and deserves no respect.

Voltaire

Tom Paine—yes, I agree with you that spies are regularly executed in times of war. However, what you fail to include in your summary is that the Union forces, when they executed the Confederate soldiers, attached a piece of paper to one of the bodies that stated “This shall be the fate of all Mosby’s men.” That taunt led to the retaliation that Mosby did. That was not a terrorist act, that was how warfare in the Civil War was conducted by BOTH armies. Acts led to retaliatory responses. It had NOTHING to do with racism. You do know that not everything automatically leads to a charge of racism? Good grief. Furthermore, on November 11, 1864, Mosby wrote to General Philip Sheridan, the commander of Union forces in the Shenandoah Valley, requesting that both sides resume treating prisoners with humanity. He pointed out that he and his men had captured and returned far more of Sheridan's men than they had lost. The Union side complied. With both camps treating prisoners as "prisoners of war" for the duration, there were no more executions. After the war, Mosby became friends with President Grant, served as his campaign manager in Virginia, and both worked in Government (as a diplomat and lawyer) and brought a lot of Federal jobs to Virginia after the war. It should be noted that Grant, in his autobiography, stated "Since the close of the war, I have come to know Colonel Mosby personally and somewhat intimately. He is a different man entirely from what I supposed. ... He is able and thoroughly honest and truthful." He was not a racist monster as you portray him to be, but that doesn’t fit today’s popular narrative that every Confederate soldier/officer is automatically “racist” and “evil” does it? Not so neat and tidy after all…..that perspective is simply disgusting to say the least.

LoudounPulse

I'm surprised the leftist in Maryland haven't been crying about changing the name of White's Ferry (Jubal Early - Confederate General). You can't miss the big sign on top of the ferry as you cross the river.

Voltaire

LP--I am sure that Lawman and his revolutionary comrades are already hard at work on this item since it is probably part of the "manifesto". And, whatever happens will be televised. You can't make this stuff up.

WesternSky

Loudoun isn't truly woke yet. First, please change the name of Leesburg and Loudoun. I understand Blue is a trigger. So, we need to work to change the name of the Blue Ridge Mountains asap

Voltaire

Western Sky--you need to contact Lawman. He, in an earlier posting, has already stated that he is orchestrating major "changes" upcoming. So, place your request with him, and he and his merry band of revolutionaries will get right on it!

Fiscalconservative

Since it will cost $1,000,000.00 to change the mascot, I recommend the people who want to change the name develop and implement a way to raise the funds to cover the cost. Once the money is raided and turned over to LCPS, then the name will change. This is a fair equitable solution to all concerned.

dude1

maybe i won't pay federal taxes since i don't like trump. it's the same thing

Voltaire

Dude1--good, I hope you enjoy your stay with the Department of Justice's Bureau of Prisons as you would be violating the law. 26 U.S.C. § 6012 requires the filing of returns by every individual with gross income for the year. I don't think a Federal Judge will be much in the mood to hear your flimsy argument either.

Borninloudoun

No it’s not but go ahead and think that way

dude1

maybe only people who want "the wall" should pay for it? don't see much work being done on it

Voltaire

Dude1--OK, how do you know that work is not being done on it? You are not going to see any of the construction work as that work is occurring in the Southern Border Region. Good grief.

basic1234

If you change the Raiders, then you may as well have to change Patriots, Vikings and Spartans. They all owned slaves as well and you don't want to take the chance of offending anyone.

shawnc292

https://www.change.org/p/lcps-do-not-change-the-lchs-mascot

Sign and share to keep the mascot

dude1

lol whatever snowflake

Loudoun4Trump

This will certainly make our kids smarter! (sarcasm)....another leftist fail.

shawnc292

https://www.change.org/p/lcps-do-not-change-the-lchs-mascot

Sign and share to keep the mascot

dude1

i don't need no education! i got all i need right here! too bad for anyone who doesn't have what they need. it's their fault!

Voltaire

Dude1--nice rip off of a lyric from a Pink Floyd song. I am surprised you didn't add the next "paraphrased" lyric"...I don't need no thought control."

Lawman

This is minor league stuff compared to what’s really coming. Let the kids decide. We ain’t even got started yet with the real changes. We getting Mosby, Byrd, Davis and any other road named after a racist confederate off our roads and highways. We tossing the confederate sculpture at the Courthouse into the river. We changing the way they teach history in this State, no more glorification of racist and segregationist. We putting a historical marker up on the 90 plus Lynching sites in this State. We plan to fly the last battle flag of the Confederacy, the white surrender flag, on all confederate sites. We changing that WW I memorial at the Courthouse to remove the last vestige of state sponsored apartheid in this County, the separation of the white and black war dead. As I said before, if you don’t like it, that racist Governor in West Virginia will welcome you. The Revolution is continuing and it is being televised.

Voltaire

Lawman--you are going to be awfully busy no? I don't believe Jim Justice, the Governor of West Virginia, is a racist. Can you prove it? No. Are you personally going to pay for all these historical markers that you are proposing to establish in various locations throughout this county/Commonwealth? No, but you probably expect the taxpayer to do so? I don't believe that anybody, certainly not you, is going to be "tossing that Confederate sculpture at the Courthouse into the River". That statue is county property and the removal process of the statue is the responsibility of the County Government and its alone. BTW, a lesson in geography is in order. The form of government for the Commonwealth of Virginia is a COMMONWEALTH, not a State. Do you see anywhere on the Commonwealth of Virginia's official websites the word phrase "State of Virginia"? NO. That is because it is a commonwealth. You can't force people to move to West Virginia or anywhere else. What "authority" do you have? NONE. However, I would make a guess that the State of West Virginia probably has better cost of living/tax rates than this county. Before pontificating on your stale "manifesto", learn some geography and civics.

Lawman

Yes you taxpayers are paying for historical markers, you paid for all the rest. The statue will be put up to highest bidder. George Soro’s already sent us the money. Once we buy it we can dispose of it as we see fit. Governor in WV is a complete racist. BTW when are you leaving?

Voltaire

Lawman--cute. Are you the spokesperson for the Loudoun County Government? No. Therefore, you have NO authority to speak for them. Your "opinion" is not worth the paper that it is printed on. As I said, the removal of the Confederate statue is the responsibility of the County Government and they, not you, will make that determination. The government (either Loudoun County and/or the Commonwealth of Virginia) will determine who pays and if they will deploy historical. Again, your "opinion" on the subject is irrelevant. BTW, I don't think that George Soros is calling you directly about ANYTHING. George Soros is a Hungarian-American billionaire with global interests and probably could really care less about the Confederate statue in front of the Loudoun County Courthouse. You can't prove anything about Jim Justice being a racist but that doesn't stop the juvenile name calling, does it? No matter what you think, you do not have the authority to make me or anyone else leave this area. Get over yourself. If I want to move to WV or anywhere else, that is MY decision and I will not be forced/intimidated.

RoundHillGuy

Lawman, your statement is funny to me. Americans will only take so much of this. Don't forget there are hundreds of thousands of Veterans who hold our history and traditions dear to them. They pretty much want to be left alone. But when you bring the mob to their door step, and destroy everything they hold dear, it's not going to go the way you think. Do you really think all these children throwing temper tantrums in the street will not cut and run when the real fighting begins? How many of them have applied a CAT tourney while playing on the 2 way range while having rounds zip by? Make no mistake, these "revolutionaries" will cut and run when the adults decide to stop this nonsense.

UseCommonSense

I will be interested to see if all the alumni dispose of every shred of evidence of the Raiders or Mosby Woods name or if they will secretly hold on to them as a reminder of their school years - Skin in the game....

chrisnich

Once again, the school board will likely get tangled up in peripheral social issues that fit the political agenda of certain members, but have little bearing on educating kids.

RoundHillGuy

triggered snow flakes cant handle the nice lady on the Syrup bottle and now they can't deal with a school mascot.

Voltaire

RHG--which "nice lady on the Syrup bottle"? There is Mrs. Butterworth and Aunt Jemima. Nobody is talking about Mrs. Butterworth yet but they are actively discussing Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben.

LoudounPulse

They forgot to rename:

Mosby Highway (Confederate General)

Oatlands Plantation (Held Slaves in Bondage)

Leesburg (Named after Slave a Master)

While we are at it, lets take George Washington and Thomas Jefferson off the currency. Lets see where the county stands on that issue of accepting money glorifying slave masters.

Lou from NoVa

LoudounPulse is on track. Much of Virginia is named for something or someone that in 2020 a number of persons might surely find reason for offense. I'd like to rename Dulles Airport and Harry Byrd Hwy. We all could find a bone to pick about some cause or other. The true villain in racism is not in the history, but in the hearts and minds that perpetuate its evils. That is what must be stamped out. Where bigotry and hatred is found in our governing bodies, our religious organizations, our military and police forces, our education facilities, or any where else, it will be the duty of every citizen to call out the offence, and hold the offender to personal account!

Lawman

You don’t have to look far as this comment section Lou to find some type racist. I will be glad when the Fairfax Underground Guy hacks the site and exposes these racists.

Voltaire

Lawman--so, how do you define a "type racist" or "racist"? There is no standard definition. Is the Fairfax Underground Guy part of your revolutionary comrades? Inquiring minds would like to know...

Accountability

You realize that would mean you're exposed too?

Voltaire

Lou from NoVa--there is nothing wrong with the name of Dulles Airport. You can probably make a credible argument against Harry Byrd. While I applaud your sentiment, how do you plan to enforce the "duty of every citizen to call out the offence, and hold the offender to personal account"? There is no way, under a democracy, to do what you are proposing. What is the definition of "biogotry and hatred"? Right now, there is no standard for either term and those terms are also subjective. Who defines those terms? Are we going to have the State do them like the communist countries? If so, we would need the same apparatus they used (secret police apparatus/political commissars). That isn't going to happen.

LeesburgD

I agree with you Voltaire. There is no standard for bigotry or hatred. There are already laws and civil statutes that prevent activities such as redlining and discrimination in hiring.

Science Can Save Us

Whataboutism... So predictable and so missing the point

Voltaire

LP--nope, you would have to take off George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, Andrew Jackson, Ben Franklin. Given the removal of these figures off of U.S. currency and recirculation of said currency worldwide would cause problems on the global financial system, I seriously doubt that the Department of the Treasury would allow that to occur. If the County of Loudoun refuses to accept legal tender because of the "glorifying slave masters", then they are a prime example of ignorance/incompetence and explains a WHOLE lot.

tolerantleft

Woke Taliban

ChocolateDinosaur

Let it be a school wide project. Let the kids educate themselves on the history of Mosby etc., and then vote. A chance to rebrand is a chance to make $ if done right too. Think of the brave teachers and coaches who all should be getting raises!

Lawman

I like that ideal. Let the kids decide.

Voltaire

You need to read up on the law. That "ideal" is not feasible pursuant to Federal/state law.

Voltaire

Chocolate Dinosaur--no, that does work. Under the current system, the 26th Amendment to the United States Constitution (ratified in 1971) lowered the voting age to 18. Therefore, most kids in school would NOT be able to vote. Further, it is well established that society already recognizes the inherent differences between children and adults, so it is routine and socially acceptable to treat youth differently in many settings. Both federal and state laws restrict the rights and activities of children. Every state sets an age of majority, most at age 18; those who have not yet reached that age are subject to restrictions. State legislatures set age requirements for nearly every aspect of life—for example, to operate an automobile, possess or purchase a firearm, purchase alcohol or tobacco products, and gamble.

There is no evidence to support the conclusion that there will be money raised through the rebranding of streets and the like. I would suspect that the input costs (new street signs, new maps, etc.) would negate any positive you could gain from this "concept". Also, by removing Civil War characters and altering the region's heritage, you are now directly impacting the tourism industry in this county and the Commonwealth because there is a block of people who come here to learn/see the historical sites. They won't come when you realign this area to whatever the "new landscape" will look like. Actually, this concept would probably be either a net neutral or a loss overall. In the current economic environment, why should teachers and coaches get raises when other municipal/state public servants are not?

basic1234

The student body changed the mascot back in the late 70's so it was not associated with the confederacy.

marv

The actions of these "change history" buffoons remind me of the book turnings, Stalin's education techniques, Chairman Mao Zedong and the idiots running around with his little book. .

shawnc292

https://www.change.org/p/lcps-do-not-change-the-lchs-mascot

Sign and share to keep the mascot

Fiscalconservative

Does anyone really believe changing the mascot will end all the social issues? We would be better served by spending the money it would cost to rebrand Loudoun County High School in other areas,

Voltaire

Fiscalconservative--No, I don't believe that it will solve anything. I agree with you that the money could be better spent elsewhere.

shawnc292

https://www.change.org/p/lcps-do-not-change-the-lchs-mascot

Sign and share to keep the mascot if you think its a waste of money that could be spent elsewhere

AFF

But how will children learn their history if we don’t name the mascot after a traitor who engaged in acts of terror against our troops?

RoundHillGuy

Should we ban statues to black buffalo soldiers for participating in the westward expansion Indian territory campaigns? Because they did, they killed native people. How does that fit your woke narrative?

Voltaire

AFF--your premise is flawed. Colonel John Mosby and his "raiders" engaged in guerilla warfare against the Union supply lines in Virginia and Maryland. There is a difference between guerilla warfare and terrorism. Contrary to terrorist groups, guerrillas usually work in open positions as armed units, try to hold and seize land, do not refrain from fighting enemy military force in battle and usually apply pressure to control or dominate territory and population. While the primary concern of guerrillas is enemy’s active military units, terrorists largely are concerned with non-military agents and target mostly civilians. Guerrilla forces principally fight in accordance with the law of war (jus in bello). In this sense, they respect the rights of innocent civilians by refraining from targeting them. Terrorists, on the other hand, do not limit their actions and terrorise civilians by putting fear in people’s hearts and even kill innocent foreigners in the country. In essence, guerrilla warfare is not symbolic but rather devoted to a certain aim by contrast to terrorism where violence is a tool and symbol.

RoundHillGuy

Oh we're giving lessons on guerilla war fare, aysemetric war fare, Counter insurgency? I'll grab my popcorn. Cant wait to hear how guerilla warfare works from the keyboard of a chairborne ranger.... chariborne range chairborne ranger how do ya go? in ah minvan 130 DRIVIN SLOW.... that's a modification of an actual cadence modified just for you in case you were wondering.

Voltaire

RHG--cute. How do you know if I was or wasn't in the military? That is not relevant here as the issue is a discussion showing that guerrilla warfare is different than terrorism. You don't have to be an instructor at a military academy to provide that basic discussion. That is all. Dismissed.

CindyLou

Good! We (all of America) just could not behave so it's time to get rid of it all!!!! Just today I heard people talking and referring to "these people"??? This should have all stopped (any racial issues), back when Rosa Parks decided not to give her seat up on the bus 50 or more years ago. We as a Nation do have racial injustice and it's getting worse. Just seeing the comments on here about immigrants, and "blackface" governor, KKK fliers being passed out in Roundhill and other racist remarks everywhere. Immigrants are a huge target for racists. We can't stop ourselves! The bad part is, now we have classified the racial problem as a "political issue". We are doomed for sure.

Virginia SGP

Who said "these people"? Often that has nothing to do with race but rather political viewpoint. For example, you are part of "these people" who don't understand that Lincoln repeated over and over the war was not about slavery and he would do anything to end the war including keeping slavery. "These people" are clueless about history.

scottva

You people and your ridiculous comments. What's with you people? Why is it that you people always post comments that don't make any sense? Do you people ever read or do any research? Honest to God, you people are part of the problem.

Pac1010

This is getting downright ridiculous. What is next Bulldogs and Huskies were prejudice against cats so get rid of the Stone Bridge and Tuscarora Mascot's, Spartans were prejudice against Persians, see you Broad Run Mascot- Oops Lions attacked other animals , see you later Heritage Pride and it goes on and on until someone stands up to these liberals and say's enough . If you are that offended by a high school mascot's name, move and don't send your kids there.

rescue141

I agree that this is getting way out of hand, it is RIDICULOUS!

shawnc292

https://www.change.org/p/lcps-do-not-change-the-lchs-mascot

Sign and share to keep the mascot

memery

Wow, If you are so offended by the change of a mascot. Maybe you are part of the problem.

shawnc292

https://www.change.org/p/lcps-do-not-change-the-lchs-mascot

Sign and share to keep the mascot

amerigirl

Can I ask why you would want to? If you know that it degrades a whole section of people why have it?

amerigirl

Your post is ridiculous.

js

You people are off the deep end. They are even trying, in Britian, to villify St George and his foot on the dragons head as St George is white with possibly blue eyes and the dragon is dark. DUH Queen Elizabeth is presented with this problem as many medals and honors recognize St George

Voltaire

Js—I agree with you. I do know about the “argument” about the St. George Cross over in the UK. According to the British press, the award’s badge has a traditional Christian image of the angel St. Michael victoriously standing on Satan with the motto: Auspicium melioris ævi, which is Latin for “Omen of a better age.” As reported by the Guardian newspaper, “…the Queen of England traditionally bestows the Order of St. Michael and St. George on ambassadors, diplomats, or senior foreign officials…” A look at the actual depiction clearly shows that the person that St. George is stepping on is Satan, not a black person or George Floyd as the protesters “allege”. So far, there are only 2,895 people who have signed the petition as of 6 PM UK Time on Monday. Not a whole lot of support, appears to be fringe elements.

amerigirl

Where did you hear that? I watch the BBC and read their news all the time and that is the first I have heard of that. Are you sure this wasn't a fox news thing?

Voltaire

AG--I, like you, watch BBC, Sky News, and read most of the British press, (like the Times of London). No, this item was reported out by the Guardian newspaper.

amerigirl

Thanks

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