Large crowd turns out in Round Hill for a peaceful protest, vigil

Jennifer Maulfair, left, and Tammy Pyle at the peaceful protest and vigil they organized in Round Hill on Wednesday. 

About 450 area residents attended a peaceful protest and vigil Wednesday night at Niels Poulsen Park in Round Hill.

Organized by Round Hill residents Jennifer Maulfair and Tammy Pyle, the event was originally planned between the two families so they could join together to light a candle and honor the memory of George Floyd, a black man who died at the hands of a Minneapolis police officer last week.

“I needed to do something as a white person, mom and teacher. We don't know the pain, and it's up to us to figure it out, hopefully by standing up to it,” Maulfair told the Times-Mirror. “I cannot stand on the wrong side of this. I wanted to stand somewhere and light a candle, and I thought other people would too."

As word spread throughout the week that a vigil and peaceful protest was being planned, more people contacted the organizers to say they would be attending. At that point, Maulfair and Pyle decided to move the event from the town's park to the larger space at Poulsen Park, off Evening Star Drive.

The event began quietly with eight minutes of silence, followed by a short speech by Maulfair, who encouraged others to stand up and speak.

Local musician Julia Kasdorf spontaneously sang the song “What's Up” by 4 Non Blondes and the crowd joined in.

Large crowd turns out in Round Hill for a peaceful protest, vigil

From left, Kyle Caylor, Courtney Frye, Owen Fuller, Carolyn Caylor and Cameron Caylor at the peaceful protest and vigil held in Round Hill on Wednesday night. 

High school student Cate Laverty read a poem she had written, with the lines “black lives matter until the world isn't so vicious.”

One woman stood up and said she has lived in Round Hill for one year. As a black woman, she said that she fears for her boys everyday.

“The only time anyone has smiled at me is the last week. It takes something like this for people to be friendly and act like they care. If you want to know what to do, just say hello. There are not many of us here, break into our world,” she said.

Another teen girl stood up and spoke, saying as a white girl she has never had to fear being pulled over by a police officer.

“This is an enormous wake-up call. I am not black but I see you, I hear you and I stand with you,” she said.

Round Hill resident Don Wilson stood up and said he has lived in Round Hill for 17 years, and he feels something different in the air now.

“As an African American man it hasn't been difficult in Loudoun County, but where I grew up it has at times been a struggle. I teach my boys how to survive in a society that doesn't appreciate you just because of the color of your skin. There is power in your voices. We thank you. It's not over, this is only the beginning. If you see something, say something,” Wilson said.

Large crowd turns out in Round Hill for a peaceful protest, vigil

Magdalena Gwaltney and Alexandra Toporowicz at the peaceful protest and vigil in Round Hill on Wednesday. 

(209) comments

Guest

Before you judge, volunteer for a ride along with the police in a fairly large city. Best education on this topic.

Voltaire

Excellent post. That's exactly what my family members in law enforcement told me too.[thumbup]

amerigirl

Who are you addressing?

Jeanne T

Is that a real question?

amerigirl

Jeanne, do you know who in "before YOU judge is to"? Psychic?

Jeanne T

He's addressing all of us. That includes you.

amerigirl

Psychic?

Guest

So defensive. You know what they say about people that get easily defensive?

hardworkingamerican

What are you talking about YKR?? IF you think for a moment there is not hateful intentions from every politician who colluded with Russia to try and overthrow a President you are out of your mind. Honoring someone like George has nothing to do with the garbage you are spewing. African Americans have been murdered and slaughtered and their businesses destroyed in the name of George Floyd??? What the hell is wrong with people. Sick sick sick. And that protest violated "Coonman's" orders. Gee, no graduation but you can protest and if you riot that's ok too. SICK

amerigirl

Hard, what are you talking about???? Who mention politics at all? Russia??? Did you address the wrong person, You have gone another rant about God know what, very incoherent? The topic was racism in the police force, what are you rambling about? Again with the racist comment, true to form for you.

workhardgetahead

George Floyd's death was reprehensible but to blame all cops and threatening to defund all police forces is completely out of line and flat out ignorant. 98 to 99% of cops and go to work everyday to serve and to protect. Chauvin was a bad apple and justice was served immediately. No need for the riots. The rioters and looters used this to get free stuff. They should be rounded up and put away. Ridiculous

amerigirl

Who is blaming all cops? The point is to reform the cops and the procedures they use, like choke holds. I don’t think you comprehend what the defunding means. It isn’t about eliminating police departments or stripping agencies of all of their money. It is about reorganizing priorities. Stop paying all the overtime and use that money toward the places that benefit the community. Education would be one, the more educated a community becomes the less violence they’ll have. Put it into after school programs to keep kids off the streets like junior firefighter or police. Rep. Karen Bass, D-Calif., chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, said "Now, I don’t believe that you should disband police departments," she said in an interview with CNN. "But I do think that, in cities, in states, we need to look at how we are spending the resources and invest more in our communities." There are communities that have already started doing that by stopping overtime pay and using that to pay for after school projects. They have also found that many of the looters and rioters who have been arrested were listed in the database as ult-right groups. They were posing as Antifa, but actually were from the Proud Boys, the Three Percent and Boogaloo Boys They have been arrested from coast to coast. The Boogaloo Boys had an arsenal in their car. They should be rounded up and put away.

Guest

It saddens me to see so many people commenting with hate on this article. This event was organized to do one thing: bring awareness to the black lives matter movement and provide a safe space for people to show their support. If you do not agree with this event then don’t add a comment that will get you nowhere, organize your own event or take action in the way you think is most helpful. Everyone at that event had the same goal and we're all working towards a better future. Hateful comments will only slow us down.

Jeanne T

What, exactly, is "hateful"?

amerigirl

Is that a real question?

Guest

It's sad George Floyd died the way he did -- that's inexcusable and the cop that killed him will get his justice. It's also sad that people cannot see through all the lies, hoaxes and fabricated nonsense pushed by the media, BLM, celebrities, weak politicians, race hustlers, and lefties suffering white guilt. The statistics and facts speak for themselves. Blacks need to worry about other blacks killing them -- not any other ethnic group. Rather, blacks commit more interracial crime on all the other ethic groups, and in some cases, many more times over. They are disproportionately committing more murders and other violent crimes. They are disproportionately represented in gangs. Do you realize blacks are overwhelmingly more likely to die from accidental drowning then they are to be killed by a cop? This is not me saying it, it's the DOJ and CDC using data during Obama's time in office.

I'm taking action by educating the public. Do your own research and think for yourself.

amerigirl

don't think that your sad about it at all. You think this whole thing is a hoax. An independent thinker would know that this type of thing has been going on for years and years. Just keep on blaming blacks for everything, be the problem and not the solution.

Guest

You don’t know me so you have no idea what I’m feeling. Educate yourself about black criminality — blacks are 10x more likely to kill a white than the reverse.

workhardgetahead

Amerigirl, what if it was a black cop on George Floyd's neck. Or a black cop on a white guys neck. Do you think Tea Party Patriots would be out burning down their communities. The answer is a resounding NO

amerigirl

Work, a resounding YES!!

I wouldn’t care if the cop was purple, the policy still needs to change. But what black cop is going to be racist against his own people? Looks like many of the people burning down and looting were actually ult-right. To make a point to try to blame the left for everything I believe they are capable of anything. In Salem, Oregon officer took aside a group of gun-toting white supremacists to warn them before they start gassing everyone else. Reporter Jeremy Jojola tweeted: JUST CONFIRMED: Denver Police seized these guns and tactical gear from two men who showed up to the protest on Friday. One of them, Chevy McGee, tells me he didn't break any laws. McGee is part of the "Boogaloo" movement. #9NEWS. There were a number of online accounts pretending to represent antifa and encouraging violence at protests are actually being operated by white supremacist groups. This includes calls to violence that Donald Trump Jr. had used as example of how antifa was supposedly behind violent incidents. Major networks are saying there is “broad range of actors.” And the FBI has found no indication of organized antifascist involvement in the protest violence. The ult-right sites are telling them how to act like they are antifa. Dressing up in clothing typically worn by antifascist demonstrators, mainly the all-black clothing and masks worn by so-called “black bloc” activists. This has been observed both in Portland and in Seattle, where well-known far-right “Proud Boy” street brawlers have been spotted and reported on social media. The most glaring hoax was a Twitter account calling itself “ANTIFA US” began posting wildly incendiary exhortations: “Tonight’s the night, Comrades. Tonight we say 'F--- The City' and we move into the residential areas... the white hoods.... and we take what's ours …” The account was taken down after Twitter ascertained it was associated with activists involved in the white-nationalist Identity Evropa organization. Despite being a fairly obvious hoax, it nonetheless duped Donald Trump Jr. into repeating the post on Instagram with a message supporting his father’s attempts to blame antifascists for the violence.

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amerigirl

Guest, I seriously doubt your statements, please give your sources or I will not believe them

Guest

Source: FBI crime statistics, which were compiled during Obama's administration.

For example in 2016, blacks killed over twice the number of whites than vise versa. When you consider there are approximately 61% whites and 13% blacks in America, that results in approximately over 10x more likely for a black to kill a white.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls

Ignorance and crime are the problem.

amerigirl

Guest, All the stats you want to give on crime don’t mean jack when it comes to police shootings of unarmed black men. Are you trying to change the narrative? In the U.S., African Americans are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white people. For black women, the rate is 1.4 times more likely. 1-in-1,000 black boys and men will be killed by police in their lifetime. For white boys and men, the rate is 39 out of 100,000. https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/08/police-officer-shootings-gun-violence-racial-bias-crime-data/595528/

Guest

You are a special kind of dense. You ask for the stats, and since you are too lazy to do your own research, I provide you the statistics. Then you go on to say you don't care about it -- probably cause it doesn't fit the beliefs you have or the garbage peddled to the low information mouth breathers.

Then you provide a link to data that goes to some random journalist's website that trying to peddle some books. Frankly, I accept validated FBI data over your source, as will most reasonable people.

Discussion of black criminality, single parenthood and personal accountability are core part of this issue, whether you are willing to accept it or not. It is not changing the narrative, as it's part of the same conversation. As someone suggested -- do a ride-a-long in a major city (for a night or a week) and you tell us what's happening.

Are the police sexist because they kill more males? No, they commit more crime and are usually the perpetrator in most cases. Same logic applies here. Police kill far less women because they engage far less in criminal activity and have fewer police encounters.

When factored for percentage of the population, black criminality and the number of police encounters, it is whites who are more likely to be killed by cops. Look it up, because it's all there from the DOJ, FBI, or CDC -- unless you want to continue to believe the tripe of no-name journalists.

Guest

As for your comment about police killing unarmed black man, we just had a case in Richmond recently. Maybe you don't know about it 'cause it doesn't fit your narrative. Anyhow, the perpetrator was on drugs, got into an altercation at a hotel, had rammed his car into another vehicle, and while in pursuit rammed two more vehicles before running his car off the road and into a tree on I-95. After taking off on foot and running through rush hour traffic, he charged the cop. The cop tazed him, and the perpetrator kept coming, saying he would kill the officer. That's when he shot him with lethal force.

After weeks of protests and claims of racism (never mind the officer, police chief, CA and mayor are all black), the family continued to blame the police even after a full and thorough investigation was completed.

Zamboni

Virtue signaling at its worst. White soccer moms with not enough to do.

Guest

Why are you spreading hate? There’s no need?

Zamboni

How is my opinion hate?...you leftist snowflake!

Guest

Supporting BLM and the NAACP is spreading hate.

Don’t be a tool.

amerigirl

You wold have to be a real tool to say something like that. Two groups fighting for equality is not spreading hate unless you hate the people in those groups you wouldn't think that way.

Guest

I don’t hate any group and you have no idea how I think, tool.

amerigirl

Guest, it was a generalization, tool? Can you stop the immixture banter? I stick with what I said, when you (or anyone) starts saying groups fighting for justice are hate groups you (or anyone) would have to hate them. LOL Tool LOL

Virginia SGP

These protests are from the radical crazies.

The police are not racist. They must deal with criminals who are often violent. They must deal with criminals who refuse arrest or try to fake injuries. There will be accidents but they are very far and few between. Out of ~1000 police killings per year, only 300 are of blacks and only about 14% of those were unarmed (yet ~10% of police being killed themselves were from "unarmed" suspects). While we should enact policies that prioritize safety for BOTH suspects and police, blacks have very little to fear from police.

In fact, it is the complete opposite. If you live in a dangerous neighborhood (where most of the folks are law-abiding but a disproportionate share are criminal and/or violent), the police KEEP YOU SAFE. Young black males are 22x more likely to be killed by another young black male than by the police. The police are not the problem. If police become more hesitant and that ratio rises to 30x more likely, there will be MORE YOUNG BLACK MALES killed as homicides rise. Are you all too stupid to understand that?

Yes, there should be policy changes so that dangerous holds (neck restraints) are not used. Clearly, some police are unaware how dangerous these can be. And there should be more police funding so they can have backup and take more precautions even if the suspect is crying wolf.

But you people are truly ignorant of what real dangers face disadvantaged kids today. This is about 99% political. Pure nonsense.

You're kidding, right?

If you think there's not even a single member of our many, and various policing forces who lets personal racial prejudices cause them to overract around certain suspects then you sure live in a different world from the rest of us.

Voltaire

You're kidding, right?--nobody is saying that there are a few rogue officers. However, most law enforcement officers are competent/professional and work very had to be that way. However, that is not how they are being portrayed by the media and that is wrong. Nobody talks about the police officers killed or hurt during this civil disturbance, instead they are ignored. That is simply unacceptable.

amerigirl

You seem to portray all police as righteous because they follow orders, even when those orders break the oath the swore to when enlisted. The media has video, cops have been arrested and are doing horrible things. That isn't portraying, that is fact. Trump has divided the country so much now that there is not much middle ground left, even for cops. It’s also hard to know if the cops are even real cops or who they are. In San Diego an arrest of a female protester downtown by several men, who don’t identify themselves before whisking her away, in unmarked minivans, then threatening to shoot other protesters if they follow the minivans. Were they really cops? Some ult-right group? What did she do”? She held out a cardboard protest sign in front of a motorcycle cop. How about In Buffalo two officers shoving an elderly white man to the ground, and leaving him while bleeding from his ears? Chicago police blocked activists, and elected officials from their lawyers. People in NYC trying to ride their bikes home from work were beaten by cops. In Indianapolis, the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department is investigating after a video was widely shared on social media showing officers beating a woman with batons and shooting her with pepper rounds, in Philadelphia a student who had been arrested on charges of breaking a police officer's hand has been released without charge after footage emerged of an officer beating him on the head with a baton and another pinning his face onto the street using his knee. Same place the biker cops beat a group of protesters. NY, Williamsburg area of the city, police were filmed charging demonstrators, throwing at least one person to the ground. Two people have lost the sight in an eye due to the less-lethal rubber bullets, another suffered brain damage, none of them committing any act of violence. Your narrow mindedness will not let you see the whole picture. If you think there are incidents of the police being wronged, share them.

Voltaire

AG—did I say that all police are righteous? No, I said that most members of the law enforcement community are competent/professional and care about their community. I have said, many times on this site, that there are a few members of the law enforcement community who are rogue but most that are not. Concerning the San Diego incident, those individuals should have identified themselves. They are required to do so, even as plainsclothes officers. Concerning police coverage, it is one-sided. How many times has the media reported on the number of officers in various police organizations killed or hurt during the civil unrest? You don’t hear HALF of the coverage about police as you do about the protesters. How about the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Officer who got shot in the head while doing his job apprehending a suspect. Now, he is in the hospital on life-support. Did anybody talk about that on the liberal media? No. How about the black officer of the Federal Protective Service (FPS) in Oakland who was killed on duty outside the Federal Courthouse? How about a NYPD Sergeant getting run over by a SUV full of hoodlums for trying to do his job and control a scene? How about cops in Buffalo getting hit by a SUV. How about police in Oklahoma City getting shot at outside their precinct? How about an Atlanta Police sergeant also getting shot at her desk as she was on desk duty since she was pregnant? There are many more instances but do the media adequately cover them? The answer is NO. Those illustrations you cited will be handled by the appropriate authorities and sanctions, if applicable, will be applied. I know what police deal with as I have family members in WI who are in state law enforcement. No, I can see the whole picture and I don’t need a lecture from you on being narrow-minded, thanks. However, until you pin on a badge, like my family members do, and walk a beat/run a patrol route, you can’t judge these officers based solely on press reports because the press, contrary to popular opinion, does not objectively report these incidents and provide all perspectives, such as the officers’. As I have said, in instances, such as civil unrest or even routine traffic stop/initial encounter, each incident is different and there are more variables at play than what is reported on the news. That HAS to be taken into account. Failure to do that provides a relatively skewed picture and that is simply wrong.

amerigirl

San Diego, do you feel that was the right thing to do? Have you looked at the pics? Do you think it was alright to take someone away in an unmarked van and threaten to shoot anyone that followed? Just curious. It could have been a kidnapping but who was gong to risk getting shot to find out? The guy who shot the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Officer should go to jail for life. There is no excuse for that. WHAT LIBERAL MEDIA? Now who is making sweeping generalizations? Is every major news station now liberal media? How about Breonna Taylor, the ER tech who was shot 16 times while she was sleeping? How about the cops that used an SUV to mow down protesters in Brooklyn? You know I could outmatch you on killing that were unwarranted. What does that prove? All those lives need to be taken into account, I have heard them all on regular broadcasts, your and mine, how does that make the media a liberal media?

Voltaire

AG--as I said, the officers of the San Diego Police Department (SDPD)(assuming it was them as there was no identification) in this scenario should have identified themselves. If they didn't, then an internal investigation by SDPD Internal Affairs will handle that issue. I don't know all the particulars so it is hard to judge whether it is the right thing to do or not. As taking someone away, they may have been taking the individual down to the local station for processing. However, it is not right to threaten citizens with shooting them if they follow them. Shocking, but I agree with you that the guy who shot the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Officer should go to jail for life. There is no excuse for that. When I refer to liberal media, I am referring to CNN/MSNBC. Yes, you caught me making a sweeping generalization! However, most major networks tend to lean to the left than the right or center. I do watch MSNBC/Fox/CNN but rather watch Bloomberg/CNBC since that is (1) my area of interest, (2) tend to be more objective in addition to international TV networks. I believe that the Louisville Metropolitan Police Department is conducting an internal inquiry into that matter. I think that the Louisville incident may have been overreach however I will not judge it as I don't have enough information. As for the New York Police Department (NYPD) officers that used an SUV to mow down protesters in Brooklyn? I don't know if they were "mowing them down" because I don't have all the information. However again I know, from the NYPD Commissioner that the NYPD IAB is conducting an inquiry. I am not sure that you could outmatch you on killing that were warranted/ unwarranted. But I do agree with you that all those lives need to be taken into account. We can agree to disagree on some of the items. That is what makes this country great, no? [smile]

amerigirl

In San Diego, they did not identify themselves, as the people in DC did not identify themselves. I doubt they wanted to interrogate her for holding up a sign to a motorcycle cop. Personally, I think the new strategy that the cops are using, taking a knee has been the most productive. The can still enforce the aw but let the protesters know that they agree that Floyd's life should not have been taken. It is instilling much more trust from the community towards the police. They have a better understanding on how the police feel. Brooklyn they plowed right through the barrier and into the protesters, you can watch the videos on You Tube. That is what divides police from the community. I see the looters and rioters have more or less gone back to their lairs, thank God.

BLT

Absolutely true, many members of law enforcement are fine people. The problem is the fine ones close ranks around the rotten ones and with the help of their unions, nothing happens to the bad apples until an over-the-top outrage like what we've seen a few times in the past few weeks. No one is ignoring police officers killed during what you're calling a 'civil disturbance.'

Voltaire

AG--according to the San Diego Union Tribune, the San Diego Police Department (SDPD) stated that the officers that came out of the unmarked vehicle were undercover officers assigned to monitor the protest and took action immediately instead of waiting for uniformed officers. The SDPD's Internal Affairs Unit is investigating the matter. According to the SDPD, the military uniformed members were SWAT officers and they weren't going to shoot them with lethal ammunition but rather non-lethal items. That matter is also under investigation by the SDPD's Internal Affairs Unit.

Voltaire

BLT--I agree that many members of law enforcement are fine people. What you are describing is the the thin blue line, no different than other professions such as medicine. That is a police culture matter that the command structure of the police will have to work with the Police Benevolent Association and other police unions to fix and that is a long standing problem so you can't expect a quick fix there. I know from personal experience that the good ones don't want to be associated with the bad ones and try to report them and do the right thing. The command structure tries to remove them but the police unions tend to interfere and that is where the problem is. The media is tending to ignore that police officers have been hurt and killed. They don't mention that half as much as the protesters. That may be due to political orientation (depending on network/station) or it may not attract ratings. Who knows?

However it is wrong. The term "civil disturbance" is the correct term for these riots.

amerigirl

police are people and they have their share of racist. They may be a force but they are made up of individuals with their own thoughts and feelings.

Zamboni

Sooo.....some police are racist....just like some soccer moms are racist (see Karen). Since some police are racist why don't we protest and shout at them and riot and loot and make their lives miserable so we can post on Instagram and Fakebook to show how virtuous we are. What the heck are we proving in rural Virginia? Purcellville and Round Hill are racist? Hell.....let's just burn it all down with no end in sight.

amerigirl

Why can't we just protest, why do you have to link all those people who came out after curfew to the peaceful protesters? The int of the protest, in case you missed it, is for social justice for all races. No one is saying that if there is a protest someplace that the people living there are racist. They are protesting to let the government see that people want to see all people treated the same by the police. It's called solidarity. People all over the world are joining in showing the same solidarity.

Voltaire

AG--actually, as long as you are peaceful and lawful, you and your fellow protesters can assemble and demonstrate as that is your right. The problem is that the media doesn't do a real good job in discerning the difference between peaceful protester and violent rioter. I am guessing that that might be a possible reason for the linkage.

I understand that you all are protesting to let the government see that people want to see all people treated the same by the police. It's called solidarity. People all over the world are joining in showing the same solidarity. The one thing that I have noticed is that in other parts of the world that are protesting the protests don't morph into violence as they do over here in USA. Just a curious observation.

amerigirl

Vol, The media wants to get the most controversial issues to keep their audience. I like you will flip around during the day. At night I watch the major news stations. They live more of the local news. But I have been impressed with CNN, MSNBC and CNBC with their coverage of peaceful protest and how the cops and protesters are finding common ground. I just can't watch Fox, way too much lying and bigotry. If you have ever had trouble sleeping and turn it on in the middle of the night, there is a good chance you will get all their retractions.

ace10

Doesn't it seem odd that the woman from Round Hill, who claims to have never received even a passing smile from anyone in the previous 51 weeks, lives next to Purcellville that just re-elected a mayor with whom she shares skin color?

This reminds of the time when M Obama stated that she had never been proud of her country prior to her husband being elected POTUS.

The world is what you make of it. And what you put into it.

Virginia SGP

It's more of a Yankee/Southern thing. Virginia has turned into Yankee land. In the South, everybody says hello as they pass. I learned in college in the North that people think that is weird and are afraid of you for saying hello to strangers at times. I still do it out of habit at time but not as much as in the true South.

ace10

I dunno. I see a fair amount of cordiality between people in western Loudoun. I've lived in Virginia for more than three decades, and while it has definitely changed, there is still plenty of Hello's and Hi's out here in the semi-rural part of the county. At least face-to-face. Driving manners are certainly in the dumpster. But in a grocery story or post office or restaurant... is every single person actively ignoring this one person?

Voltaire

Virginia SGP--I agree with you. However, I am not sure that it is true in the entire Commonwealth. I think that it is more specific to Northern Virginia, due to people moving from Northern States to work for the Federal Government (either as Contractor or as a Federal Employee). I have family in Southern Virginia and it is popular opinion down there that Northern Virginia isn't really part of Virginia. According to that opinion, the dividing line would be Fredericksburg.

amerigirl

I have never had that happen. i also say hello to everyone I pass, at least when it's not rushed, i don't know if you have ever been in NYC at rush hour. No one has ever told me it is weird, they have said the way i pronounce certain words is funny. I found that most people everywhere are friendly.

Guest

What matters now is that we listen to African Americans. We need to know how black Americans are feeling in their communities. Everyone deserves to feel safe and included.

Voltaire

Why? Is there anything that is stopping them from communicating? No. Does everyone, not only African Americans, deserve to feel safe and included? Absolutely. But, your statement should apply to ALL Americans, regardless of color. Not the narrative that the liberal elites want to spouse but the right one.

amerigirl

First off you shouldn’t believe everything you hear. Milwaukee County Sheriff David A. Clarke Jr. made that statement about Michelle Obama, and it has been proven false. Her quote was for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback. And the other was “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my country and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I’ve seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues and it’s made me proud.” Second where are you getting the 51 week thing from?

amerigirl

Disgusting, absolutely disgusting. So many commenting here don't want equality, they find all kinds of stats and reasons to keep a social unbalance. So and so is dong this, how many white people are killed, how many cops are killed, what is wrong with you guys? This is not the Jim Crow era. You care more about trying to prove that all people are not equal than trying to level the field. Let blacks have decent school systems and be treated like all American should be treated so we can end this social unrest. Why are you guys fighting equality? It has to be a power thing.

Jeanne T

What power is inciting the violence, looting, burning of churches and synagogues, I repeat, CHURCHES AND SYNAGOGUES, all around the country, destruction of minority owned businesses. Where is THAT power coming from, amerigirl? It is very well organized and very well funded. And it isn't coming from the right. Why are these anarchists destroying businesses owned by minorities and immigrants? Why are they targeting churches and synagogues, the "Saturday people" and the "Sunday people"?

What's happening around the country is no longer about George Floyd or police brutality. These anarchists, terrorists, are NOT interested in the lives of black people. And our black brothers and sisters who want to peacefully protest, yes, actual protesting, know it.

CindyLou

Really Jeanne T??? Really??? It's not the blacks or the whites destroying churches and synagogues. That credit is given to groups like the KKK, drug addicts and criminals. But you being a racist, you wouldn't understand that. WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTRY IS ALL ABOUT BLACK LIVES! Colin tried to tell you all that 5 years ago, but he got slammed for "being anti American because it was during the National Anthem" America is racist, bottom line. But keep bringing up stupid #hit like "what about all the white children"??? I won't mention Police Brutality here because that would get way out of control. News flash, that already is out of control.

Jeanne T

I never said "blacks and whites" are destroying churches and synagogues. It is the Left, ANTIFA, and actually many of those are whites.

Shame on you, "CindyLou." Shame on you for accusing me of being a racist. You do not even know who I am. You are astonishingly uninformed. You should be embarrassed. You do not sound like someone who is well read and informed.

And I NEVER brought up the one "what about all the white children"? What in the world are you talking about?

ace10

That is a truly shameful post right there.

Iluvloudoun

CindyLou,

That is uncalled for to call her racist. You, my dear, are the problem. You are full of hate and revenge. Read the Bible and learn not to judge others.

Guest

I’m with you!! Regarding the Bible comment..maybe you could borrow our President’s!

amerigirl

Jeanne you have lost it. It is not the left, it is not antifa, who never came even though trump said they did. That is just a republican false claim. The closest they had to antifa being there were some white nationalist that were going to go posed as antifa. The account, with the handle @ANTIFA_US, was traced back to be a false facade for the white nationalist group Identity Evropa. Donny Jr. even referenced the bogus account before it was taken down, calling it a "terrorist organization" and tweeting, "They're not even pretending anymore." Before the fake antifa account was suspended, it drew significant media attention for a tweet that incited violence, according to Twitter. Please don’t tell Cindy Lou (without parenthesis) That she is astonishingly uninformed when you made the claim you made. It was not the left, they were peacefully protesting, it was rioters. Why ar you trying to blame it on other people?

Guest

Racquel Simril?

amerigirl

Guest, you're right on using the presidents bible, his photo op is over and you know he won't use it again.

Guest

Jeanne T - don’t you have something better to do than arguing with people in the comment section of a local newspaper??

amerigirl

Rioters, no real force but idiots out do bad and take selfies if themselves doing it. Do you really think there is a group of people behind it? Could be, I have no clue. Those are not the peaceful protesters that want justice. It isn’t organized or funded as far as I can see. It isn’t coming from the left. There are many moccasins in which the protesters have tried to stop or have stopped the looters, even turning them over to police. Also, Twitter removes account of white nationalist group posing as antifa online calling for violence at the protests. They said it had a lot of followers before it was taken down (ABC and NBC news). So I guess you’re right, it’s terrorists, right wing terrorist.

Guest

You are so stupid. Please crawl back under your rock

Voltaire

AG--like to make sweeping characterizations and judgments do we? How can you state what anyone's real motivations are? The answer is that you cannot but what is being displayed here is the liberal elitist viewpoint that their viewpoint is the only viewpoint that matters. You make it sound like we have a two class society similar to that in the UK with the aristocrats looking down their noses at the commoners. Really? BTW, what about ALL children? Aren't all children (color doesn't matter whatsoever) entitled to have a decent education and school system? Don't all lives (cops too) matter? Apparently not, as the media FAILS to mention the number of officers that are killed during this civil unrest and refuses to show them the SAME consideration as the protesters. It is a naive conclusion to think that this social unrest will cease because of changes you described. As you have pointed out, rioters are supposed to be different than peaceful protesters. So, if your premise is valid, then they won't stop as they don't care about the "equality" argument just to cause mayhem. The only way that this civil unrest will cease is for the political class to stop trying to play police chief/interfering in police operations and let the police do their jobs.

Iluvloudoun

Well said, Voltaire. God bless you, sir.

amerigirl

Vol, getting facts that are shown in black and white are not sweeping characterizations and judgments. The motives were in black and white also, try looking them up instead of making a sweeping characterization of me. It’s not my viewpoint it was reported facts. Your comparison is insane. What about kids? Did I say anything abut that? Of course, they should all have a decent and good education, but you aren’t being realistic if you think that is happening right now. All lives do matter, then why are they being treated differently? If people don’t protest things won’t change. That is the purpose of the bill of rights giving the public the right to protest. Minneapolis has changed their policy and NYC, Portland, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, and many other jurisdictions are looking into changing theirs. It is not the responsibility of peaceful protesters to control those rioters that come. It is not about political classes; it is about justice reform. The police should do their jobs, they should protect the rights of those who are protesting peacefully, along with just going after those that don’t.

Voltaire

AG—actually, you are making sweeping characterizations and judgments. I don’t have to look them up because they are posted on this site. For example, you stated “…So many commenting here don't want equality, they find all kinds of stats and reasons to keep a social unbalance.” Also, you stated “…Why are you guys fighting equality? It has to be a power thing.” Those two statements are blanket characterizations. These statements imply that everyone who posted on this site (a) don’t want equality, (b) find reasons to keep a social unbalance, and (c) people are fighting equality due to a “power thing”. So, how exactly do you WHAT the motivation of these people are? The answer is that you cannot but provide a sweeping blanket characterization because it fits your narrative. As for kids, you stated “….Let blacks have decent school systems and be treated like all American should be treated so we can end this social unrest.” Why are we targeting only African American children? That was my point. ALL children, regardless of color/race, are entitled to a decent education and school systems. I was not arguing about the current state of the education system but espousing a viewpoint that if you want to change system, then you should do it for all children, not a specific ethnic group.

As I have stated repeatedly, I do not care if people peacefully protest, provided that they are lawful. Again, if protesters are going to ignore police direction then they are not lawful. Further, if the police determine that the protesters are (a) violent or (b) give the appearance of becoming violent, then the Government can suspend the First Amendment right of assembly (right to protest) and disperse the crowd, as long as it is reasonable. The Federal courts have determined so and there is case law that supports this view. Throwing items at the police, can, in the opinion of the court, be considered to have the appearance of violence. The police could do their jobs if they were allowed to do what they are trained. That is not happening. I know from listening to my family members in law enforcement that it IS about the political class acting like police chiefs and interfering in the enforcement of the law. That is unacceptable. If the protesters are truly peaceful, then law enforcement will not interfere with that.

amerigirl

Vol, that is my opinion it is not a sweeping characterization. Geeze! Just using the term “So many” shows that. But you know what. I’m tired of rehashing the thing we just rehashed.

amerigirl

BTW, there are plenty of pics on line of police that have taken a knee in solidarity with the protesters. Sometimes the entire department. No violence. This is what brings communities together.

Voltaire

That is because, as I have said repeatedly, most of law enforcement are competent/professionals who care about their community and want to do right by them.

amerigirl

Vol, I agree.

ace10

So we're done making everything about killing grandma and now we're moving on to something new? Got it!

amerigirl

Got what, get schooled. Are you under the wrong section or statement or what?

tolerantleft

If you want decent school systems, like myself, allow for school vouchers. It's the Liberal Dems that continue to block school choice, and that is racism because it benefits minorities the most. Look at DC, where TRUMP, yes TRUMP, quietly reversed Obama's policy to allow school voucher. You're the queen of google, look it up.

Virginia SGP

Yes, there are 2 great equalizers: a quality education and a booming economy that lifts all boats. The greedy teacher unions that control LCPS keep their thum on the scales by preventing disadvantaged kids from having quality teachers. When rich kids get assigned to bad teachers, don't you think their whiny parents get them into another classroom leaving all the kids with nobody to speak up for them sentenced to that ineffective teacher. If we just cared about kids OVER adults, then the bad teacher would be booted. And all kids would get a good education.

Guest

You recently posted that the way to end racism is to stop being racist. You have nothing intelligent to add to this or any other conversation

amerigirl

They don't have a union.

CindyLou

amerigirl…..but it is the Jim Crow era in Loudoun! Always has been. Don't you see all the Trump supporters, the "coonman" comments from the radical racist Republicans? Do you see the comments on all these posts? The remarks made about Hispanics aren't much better. Racist don't know they are racists. The civil war didn't fix them, maybe another civil war will. Who knows....I give up trying to understand their racist righteous warped minds.

Voltaire

CindyLou--you know that advocating rebellion or insurrection is a Federal offense and is punishable with up to 10 years in prison. The citation is 18 U.S. Code § 2383. Rebellion or Insurrection

amerigirl

Then why aren't the boogaloo bois, in jail? How about trump for tweeting "If the Democrats are successful in removing the President from office (which they will never be), it will cause a Civil War" which started #CivilWar2 trending. Or the right-wing militia group called the Oath Keepers who said "We ARE on the verge of a HOT civil war." in response to trumps tweet.

Voltaire

AG--based upon the statute that I cited in my earlier, then they too should be arrested/charged. However, I am not the charging official who decides what happens to these individuals. The President cannot be criminally charged but is subject to impeachment so that would be the appropriate venue for him if he is indeed espousing those views.

Jeanne T

Another civil war isn't the answer. And what makes you think you would even survive one?

Guest

I’m with you!

Voltaire

Good, since you are co-conspiring to advocate for rebellion/insurrection then you should be arrested as that action constitutes a Federal crime and is punishable up to 10 years in prison.

pual mase

Please give up CL.....even I am embarrassed for you...,,.... what a kook!

Virginia SGP

We have it on the record from amerigirl that leaders should not be rational and look at the statistics to see what reality is. Instead, they should just go wherever their emotions lead them and overreact or just do whatever feels like at the moment.

amerigirl, thanks for demonstrating once and for all the Leftists activists act like animals with no grasp on science or data-driven decisions.

amerigirl

SGP, excuse me how many lies about me are you going to make up? Just because you don’t like what I say is no excuse to lie about me. No explanation, just lies. You really hate it when anyone contradicts you and your authoritarian statements. Animals. I think you probably eat your young if they defied you. What are you talking about? You need a mental health check.

Guest

You seem to be confused. I believe everybody is on board with equality, but not OK with the lies, lack of personal responsibility, and half-truths. The media trots out these anedotal cases of misjustice to gin up division and ratings, yet don't report on all the facts, like these "peaceful" protesters defacing property, assaulting people, vandalizing, burning buildings and vehicles, looting businesses, and worse. It's not isolated either. Richmond is a dumpster fire right now--businesses in my neighborhood were boarding up 2 days ago in advance of an announced "peaceful" protest.

I encourage you to educate yourself on crime statistics and who overwhelmingly disportionately commits crime. Once you do, you will also see who disportionately commits interracial crime. Spoiler Alert! -- it's not white people. If you look at other statistics, you will learn that blacks are more likely to die from drowning than being killed by a white officer.

All the problems in the black community come down to personal responsibility. Those who did suceed follow a simple formula -- finish school, get a job and don't have children out of wedlock.

So you can keep following the lies and BS shoveled to you by the media, Democratic party, race hustlers, and celebrities, or you can believe the truth. It's odd, leftists keep droning on about science and facts, yet refuse to acknowledge them when it does not fit their narrative.

Guest

Are you not reading these comments? No, not everyone is for equality

amerigirl

I think you are a tad confused because the peaceful protesters weren’t protesters defacing property, assaulting people, vandalizing, burning buildings and vehicles, looting businesses. Maybe you should look at who is dong what. There are looters and rioters and there are peaceful protesters who are organized. Like the ones that got the permits, set up first aid stations (which the cops tore down), came prepared with milk for tear gas, (which the cops poured out), water since it was hot (which the cops smashed up) and face masks because of the virus, (which the cops stole). The others were unorganized looters out for themselves. Until you have real knowledge of what is going on you shouldn’t advise anyone.

Guest

Where exactly do you live? I know exactly what’s happening. I live in Richmond, where businesses were boarding up just after sunrise in advance of the announced “peaceful” protest. You are delusional, so step away from the TV and internet that feed you lies, half truths, and omit key information.

amerigirl

Guest, what don’t you understand about the word peaceful? Those rioters and looters were not part of the peaceful protests. Do you know that there were ult-right groups that were running sites on how to look like Antifa and to loot and riot so the left would be blamed? Donny boy (JR) even retweeted some of it before it was removed. Maybe you should step up to the TV or some form of news and get some real info.

Jeanne T

Meanwhile, rioters are looting and vandalizing churches and synagogues all over the country. "First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people."

Synagogues and churches. Get it? This is not the work of "rednecks" and "right wing" citizens.They are destroying personal property, businesses, many owned by minorities. How long before these terrorists go into affluent neighborhoods?

Leftisists are calling for the defunding of police. Minneapolis is considering dismantling its police department. These anarchists are well funded.

This is NOT about George Floyd. This is insurrection. And for you "tolerant" Democrats living in the wealthiest county in the U.S., don't think that they own't come after you, either. Don't think that Loudoun County will be protected.

Daniel Greenfield:

"That is what the Left has always done.

"The Left infiltrates churches and synagogues, but it is its own religion. Its faith is not directed toward any power higher than government, its prayers are uttered in regulations and academic papers, its theology is practiced by smashing glass and shattering doors, and churches and synagogues have always been its targets. When its stormtroopers are loosed in the streets, they go to war against those who believe.

"What happened in Washington D.C., in Los Angeles, in New York City, in Minneapolis, and in cities across America, was the latest expression of the hatred of the radicals and racists for any other belief system.

"There is an inquisition in America today. And it punishes heresies, such as proclaiming that all lives matter, or believing in anything other than social justice, with social pressure, loss of work, and force.

"What the theorists who would be gods hate above all else is those who reject them and believe in God."

Washington, DC: 204-year-old. John’s Episcopal Church, sprayed with graffiti, an attempt to burn it down by starting a fire in its basement.

NYC: The venerable 142-year-old St. Patrick’s Cathedral was defaced with obscenities and the three letters BLM for Black Lives Matter, along with “George Floyd” and “No Justice, No Peace”.

Richmond, VA (yes, Loudoun, a little closer to home):

--Beth Ahabah, a 225-year-old Reform Jewish congregation, windows in its grand 116-year-old building smashed by rioters. The building is now covered over with plywood.

--St. Paul’s Episcopal Church, a 175-year-old building, also in Richmond, defaced with graffiti.

--Rioters i broke the windows of the West Broad Church of Christ, an African-American congregation. They left intact the one pane of glass reading, “Welcome”.

Denver, CO: The Cathedral Basilica of the Immaculate Conception in Denver, a 108-year-old building, was at the center of some of the local riots, including the hit-and-run of three Denver police officers, and suffered permanent damage. The walls were also vandalized with graffiti reading, "Pedofiles" and "God is dead".

Los Angeles: Congregation Beth Israel's walls were defaced with graffiti reading, "F___ Israel" and "Free Palestine". What does this have to do with George Floyd? Nothing.

"The largest sustained burst of synagogue vandalism took place in Los Angeles. The Fairfax area, home to both leftist hipsters and traditionalist Orthodox Jews, was heavily targeted by the rioters who, in addition to looting stores, defaced multiple synagogues, including the aforementioned Congregation Beth Israel, Beit Medrash Kehilat Yaakov (Congregation of Jacob), the synagogue of Rabbi Gershon Bess, the most important Jewish religious leader in the city, as well as Congregation Tiferes Tzvi and the Young Israel of Hancock Park. Three religious schools, Bais Yaakov School for Girls, Bnos Devorah High School, and Ohr Eliyahu Academy, were also vandalized.

"Rioters tried to deface the Shaarei Tefila (Gates of Prayer) synagogue in the area, but members of Magen Am, a security organization protecting houses of worship, whose instructors include former IDF and Navy SEAL members, protected the synagogue from being vandalized by the leftist rioters.

"Some of the ugliest graffiti was reserved for the Baba Sale synagogue of Moroccan Jewish refugees named after the Rabbi who had helped lead Moroccan Jews out of the Muslim country and to Israel.

"Some of the looting and violence came as Jews were celebrating the holiday of Shavuot, which commemorates the Ten Commandments being given by God to the Jewish people at Mount Sinai. Many Jewish store owners were unaware of the pogrom being carried out against their houses of worship and businesses. And there is at least some evidence that the pogromists were deliberately targeting Jews.

"A local milliner reported cars driving down the street and screaming, "F___ Jews".

Also in Los Angeles: "Rioters also targeted Our Lady of Mt. Lebanon-St. Peter Cathedral, a Maronite Catholic church in Los Angeles. The 83-year-old cathedral is also home to a middle eastern refugee congregation. And the Black Lives Matter bigots reminded them of the persecution that they had fled by scrawling, "Kill All Cops" and "Make America Pay for its Crimes Against Black Lives" on its iconic exterior."

Dallas, TX: Windows of the Saint Jude Chapel in Downtown Dallas was smashed in with rocks. “They probably didn’t even know this was a church. And that’s just some glass. Who cares," Father Jonathan Austin insisted. “I’m with them 100 percent."

Louisville, KY: "The Cathedral of the Assumption, the fourth oldest building in Louisville, and the third oldest Catholic Cathedral in regular use in this country, suffered damage when rioters shattered the windows of its rectory. The historic building's facade is now covered with plywood boards."

Santa Rosa, CA: "a window in the Unitarian Universalist Congregation was smashed in. Clearly, he didn’t see the ‘Black Lives Matter’ banner in our window,” Rev. Chris Bell complained."

Little Rock, AR: "One of the more serious radical attacks on houses of worship took place....when a fire at the Lewis Street Church of Christ burned through the roof."

"Minneapolis, MN: "...the 106-year-old Basilica of Saint Mary, the first basilica in the country, suffered fire damage when a fire was started under a pew.

St. Paul, MN: "The Church of St. Mark was tagged with graffiti."

amerigirl

Jeanne, you seemed to confuse the left with violent protesters. NONE approves of them. Though it could be some right wing groups that are doing nothing but trying to make it look like the protesters look bad, like the groups that twitter shut down. You are religious, why are you being so quick to judge without proof? Yu claim it is the left, you should get some proof. I don’t believe you and I doubt anyone that watches the news would believe you either. It looks like all the news you report comes from ult-right media. Daniel Greenfield is a conservative blogger who is critical of Islam, and extremely bias, I suggest you get a source that is more honest, and impartial, you will never get the truth form him, you will always get his slant on things.

Jeanne T

amerigirl, Daniel Greenfield is Jewish. And yes, I know that he is conservative politically. Do you seriously believe I don't know who I am reading?

Now what is that that you specifically disagree with in the text of what he wrote? Did these events not happen, or is it something else, as in, you refuse to consider another point view?

amerigirl

Did I say you didn’t know who he was? What I said was that he was bias. So, you using him as a person for me to listen to isn’t going to happen. YES, I totally disagree with what he wrote, he is biased. He assumed that because of the things written that it had to be BLM or the left. BUT guess who has been arrested for rioting while impersonating Antifa? Far right and ult-right white nationalists. The FBI database identified them after their arrest, groups caught included the proud boys, the three percent and boogaloo bois which had an arsenal with them. Not a single antifa person, not one. Twitter had to take down 3 posts from ult-right groups giving instructions on how to look like Antifa and to attend the protest. The account, @ANTIFA_US, was set up by the right-wing white supremacist Identity Evropa group and therefore fell under the platform's policy against fake accounts. Several known Proud Boys were photographed dressed in traditional all-black Antifa garb at a rally in Portland on Saturday and another in Nevada. They were also in at other rallies across the nation. three suspected members of the “boogaloo” movement were arrested in Las Vegas a week ago, it confirmed suspicions that extremists are looking for opportunities to trigger violence. You said It is very well organized and very well funded. If they are part of those groups then yes, they are very well funded. If you think it was antifa, it isn’t even organized, they have no money or ways of distributing anything. You also said “And it isn't coming from the right”, but it has been proven that it is coming from the right for the sloe purpose of blaming the left, I guess it worked on you.

Jeanne T

"I suggest you get a source that is more honest, and impartial"

Such as?? These incidents happened, regardless of who reported them.

amerigirl

Jeanne as much as it seems you hate to go on the internet it can be helpful. There is a chart that goes from far left to far right listing by bias. It was originally in Business insider but that can be hard to get to. It was picked up by Quora (updated December 1, 2018): quora.com/Which-is-the-most-unbiased-news-channel-in-U-S, there is another from December 3, 2019 http://gatewayjr.org/how-a-popular-media-bias-chart-determines-what-news-can-be-trusted/.

The incidents happened and they were blamed on a certain group by a biased person.

Jeanne T

Show me the sources that say these incidents did not occur.

Jeanne T

"Though it could be some right wing groups that are doing nothing but trying to make it look like the protesters look bad,"

Then us the sources that conform this is so.

amerigirl

Jeanne, I’ll try but I don’t know if LTM will print websites, sometimes yes, sometimes no. Confirmation. nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456 cbsnews.com/news/twitter-fake-antifa-acount-white-supremacists-removal/ https://www.reviewjournal.com/investigations/boogaloo-arrests-reveal-new-extremist-agenda-to-hijack-protests-2047161/

rgj.com/story/news/2020/06/03/3-held-terror-charges-spark-violence-las-vegas-protests/3139032001/

Or you could go to the verify section on WUSA9 for last night, about Boogaloo in multiple states voanews.com/usa/whos-behind-violence-george-floyd-protests-us also multiple articles from Washington Post and the Atlantic. Much was from watching it on tv or reading it from the news stations twitter accounts.

Jeanne T

Do you support the BDS movement against Israel? Yes or no? Why or why not? Your answer will be instructive.

amerigirl

Wow this is like a high school exam. I would have to say neither, I had not even heard of it before today.

Jeanne T

"Jeanne as much as it seems you hate to go on the internet it can be helpful."

I love the internet. I even have a computer. I found the story of the murdered black pastor and his wife on the internet. I read Daniel Greenfield, and others, on the internet. Why, I can even read the Communist Manifesto on the internet. I go to the internet when I watch movies on Amazon Prime, or YouTube. I use the internet when I buy stuff. I check my bank account on the internet. I read my emails on the internet. I can do Zoom meetings on the internet.

I'm on the internet when I read articles at the Loudoun-Times Mirror, and reply to you, amerigirl.

So why do you say I hate to go to the internet? LOL

Does It Matter

Does it matter that there is a high percentage of single parent black families? Does it matter that young black women are usually the single parent? Does it matter that the incidence of single parent households in the black community has increased substantially since the 1950's? Does it matter that a percentage of current welfare programs actually promote single family parenting? Does it matter that the public school system has repeatedly failed black children? Does it matter that Malcolm X stated that the white liberal is the biggest enemy to the black community?

Jeanne T

One of the stated goals of Communism, codified in The Communist Manifesto, is the abolition of marriage. Marx and Engles did not have a high view of this institution:

"Bourgeois marriage is in reality a system of wives in common and thus, at the most, what the Communists might possibly be reproached with, is that they desire to introduce, in substitution for a hypocritically concealed, an openly legalised system of free love."

"The bourgeois clap-trap about the family and education, about the hallowed co-relation of parents and child, becomes all the more disgusting, the more, by the action of Modern Industry, all the family ties among the proletarians are torn asunder, and their children transformed into simple articles of commerce and instruments of labour."

amerigirl

So now people who are tired of the police killing unarmed black men are communist? Come on!

Jeanne T

Where in the text of my comments did I say that? amerigirl, I'm beginning tho believe your cognitive skills are sorely lacking in comprehension.

amerigirl

Jeanne either you are a blathering idiotic remark about a Communist comparison or you don’t think you are comparing a ‘high percentage of single parent black families’ to the stated goals of Communism, with a statement that says they are following the “The Communist Manifesto, is the abolition of marriage” is not saying they are communist. I have no comprehension problem with that, you, on the other hand, can’t even decipher your own comments.

amerigirl

• First, graffiti can be removed. Second St. Johns is closer to Loudoun than Richmond, as you said “Washington, DC: 204-year-old. John’s Episcopal Church, sprayed with graffiti, an attempt to burn it down by starting a fire in its basement.” You didn’t mention the Christian leaders among peaceful protesters swept aside as the Police surged forward to clear space in front of St John’s church for Trumps photo op. The congregants and Gerbasi, who is the rector at St. John's Episcopal Church were protesting with the other protesters. You should read her statement of how they were tear gassed and had rubber bullets shot at them with no warning. Or how trump did all of that to law abiding citizens so he could have a photo op at a church he has only stepped foot in once in 3 and a half years. At least he turned the bible right side up before the press starting shooting. You blaming the left is totally ridiculous, just because some right wing blogger says it’s so, you should get an impartial news media if you want to learn the truth. It wasn’t the left. It was rioters, plain and simple. Also, it is called justice reform. It isn’t just something that the left supports, there are a lot of people that support it.

Jeanne T

LOL

amerigirl

I hope you're not Laughing at the priest and her congregants being gassed.

Jeanne T

And who is going to pay for removing all the graffiti, amerigirl? That there were "Christian leaders" among peaceful protestors means nothing. Lots of churchgoers calling themselves "Christians" did nothing to help the Jews escape the death camps.

Where is BLM on the issue of the genocide being perpetrated against black Christians in Africa? A black Christian pastor and his wife were just gunned down by insurgents last week while they were working on their farm in Nigeria. His wife was pregnant, and they left behind eight children, ages 1 to 19. It wasn't white people who murdered them.

I WILL NOT bend the knee in support of BLM, which is an anti-Semitic organization that supports the BDS movement against Israel.

amerigirl

Not my job to know that Jeanne. You think that the Episcopal Church that all the presidents visit on their first day in office aren't Christian? BLM is a US movement, though it is starting to spread. It is not a international corporation. Sorry for the pastor gunned own but what does that have to do with BLM? Yes, some Black Lives Matter protestors support BDS. No, that does not mean Jews, no matter their feelings on Israel. As Maayan Belding-Zidon saysIf we expect people to show up for our pain, we have to show up for theirs. And for Black people in America, the pain of police brutality is not only counted in the death toll: Its shadow hangs heavy over all people of color in every interaction with the police, in every city and town across America, every day.Other, mostly small-c conservative Jews, seized on this as an opportunity to distance themselves from Black Lives Matter as a whole. The platform’s antagonism towards Israel was the ultimate proof that the movement was, in fact, a threat to everything “we” stand for — in essence, a threat to the assimilation of Jews into undifferentiated American whiteness.

Far more common than those who denounced Black Lives Matter outright, though, were those who silently took a few steps back from the movement. You know who you are. You know that there’s racism in America; you’re against it, obviously, but you really, really don’t want to get into an internet fight about Israel.

Lawman

That’s what I am talking. Round Hill whiter than the Arctic and standing up. The Revolution is being televised.

Guest

Lawman

Is English your second language or are you just inarticulate?

Voltaire

Guest--nicely played there.

amerigirl

Aren't you special, pick on the commenter instead of commenting on the article. If you can't focus enough to make a comment on the article than why put anything at all? Is this just an ego boost for you?

Jeanne T

amerigirl, this is not only about the article and what is happening in Loudoun County.

Guest

as you stated elsewhere in LTM comments about picking on annoymous poster:, "WHY NOT?" Hypocrisy much? Only all the time for you lol

amerigirl

Guest, that was about the article, not the actual person making the post. They said you can't reply to someone that was anonymous, and I said you could reply because nobody uses their real names here they are all anonymous. Not hypocritical at all. Did you not understand what was being said?

Guest

The idea that you would defend the flamethrower Lawman tells me all I need to know about you Amerigirl.

amerigirl

Jeanne, I said that to a commenter that was not making any comment except giving someone a hard time and making fun of them. What does that have to do with Loudoun other than stating there are alot of jerks living here?

amerigirl

Guest, exactly! I picked on the comment not the person. i didn't call him names.

amerigirl

Guest and the idea that you would stoop to using terms like the 'flamethrower' Lawman tells me all I need to know about you, not fond of blacks, huh?

KK153

I think you should head on down to Bland or Floyd and share your sentiments... as loudly as you can. Walk into the first mom and pop diner you find and let em' know how hill billy they are and how enlightened you are...

Norther VA ain't VA friend...don't ever make the mistake of confusing that fact.

Voltaire

KK153--that's a good point.

Jeanne T

Have you ever heard of Tony Timpa?

amerigirl

What does that have to do with anything, please make a complete statement so we know what your point is.

Guest

This must be Cindy Lou or amerigirl or loudouncommonsense burner account

Voltaire

Lawman--are we again promoting civil unrest ("Revolution"). If so, that would be a criminal infraction so stop over at the local police/Sheriff station and turn yourself in.

LoudounPulse

Funny how there are no minorities at this gathering. I'm going to assume that Jennifer Maulfair and Tammy Pyle don't have any black friends. I'm sure it eats them up at night that they want to help out black people, but don't know any because they enjoy living in areas where black people don't own homes.

scottva

White guilt and white privilege. They are down with the cause and are using their white privilege to protest in the safety of their white community. I wonder what their signs would look like if our Governor defunded funds reserved for police departments

Voltaire

Scottva--probably cheer it.

amerigirl

People show they care and you have to twist it into something else, some ulterior motive. It's doesn't say much about you when you feel that everything is a conspiracy, shame on you.

Jeanne T

He didn't mention any conspiracy, amerigirl.

amerigirl

Jeanne, what don’t you understand about a conspiracy? He said a bunch of BS about white privilege being in Round Hill, is that a fact or is that a conspiracy? He didn’t need to actually say the word conspiracy or say I’m going to create this conspiracy that….. to create one.

amerigirl

How about this, they just don't care what the color of someone's skin is, all people are equal and should be treated the same. So what if there are no minorities in the area and they still care about equality of all people in the US? Whites are the majority and there are going to be places where there are no minorities, that doesn't mean that they don't respect them.

Jeanne T

Good for the peaceful protest. But you're preaching to the choir here. Why don't you address those who are destroying our cities, destroying black communities and families? As I said before, this issue isn't only about wealthy, affluent Loudoun County.

amerigirl

How is that preaching to the choir when you have said that the protesters ore leftist? Have you even noticed that the protest have become more and more peaceful? I have addressed it, I guess you pick and choose which one of my posts you read. This article isn't about wealthy, affluent Loudoun County at all, it's about justice reform. How come you haven't mentioned anything about that?

Guest

Thanks so much for your support!!

Jenn Maulfair

Guest

https://loudounnow.com/2020/06/04/hundreds-gather-at-round-hill-vigil/ Not that the diversity of the crowd or speakers needs to be proven to you... It is important that predominantly white neighborhoods speak up as well. All sorts of racism hides there. This was evidenced by the line of trucks revving their engines and repeatedly driving through waving Trump flags. There’s a lot of work to be done in white America.

KK153

Justine Damond....

Don't remember a big turn out in the park for that one...

amerigirl

Yes, you and Jeanne are proving the point. Too many people have died and it has got to stop. Life is sacred.

Jeanne T

Do you know who Justine Damond was?

amerigirl

Why do you just ask about a person and not say something about it? It's like me asking do you know who Breonna Taylor is?

Jeanne T

You're the one who uses Google. It shouldn't be difficult for you to type in these names and look them up. I refuse to do your work for you.

amerigirl

Seriously, you want to make a statement by not making a statement? I'm not wasting my time on those type of nonsensical comments

Jeanne T

Yes, KK153, I know that case well. I keep up with what's going on in Minnesota, my home state. The MPLS police screwed the one up very badly. The Star-Tribune's reporting, or shall I say lack of accurate reporting, didn't help, either. Nothing will bring back Justine. The rookie police officer who shot her from the passenger side, straight across his partner on the driver side, should never have even graduated.

Guest whose fed up

The myth of “systematic racism ‘ is easily disproven by looking up readily available crime statistics. Yet so many gullible people blindly buy in and do silly things like march and post black instagrams.

For example, black males represent 6% of the US population yet are responsible for 44% of murders. Twice as many unarmed whites are killed by police than blacks ( 20 whites to 10 blacks in 2019).

We have been fed lies for years from BLM , the black grievance industry and a compliant media.

George Floyd was tragically killed but there is no evidence it was racially motivated.

Floyd was high and meth and fentanyl at the time of his killings, passing counterfeit money and acting strangely. Floyd was a career criminal that served several prison sentences, include a stint for home invasion where he held a gun to the stomach of a pregnant homeowner.

This man had a long history of criminal and violent behavior that put him dangerous situations with the police.

He didn’t deserve the death he did, but he is certainly no martyr or symbol of anything except how not to live your life.

Qwertyuiop

Is that you, Brian???

scottva

Candace Owens couldn't have said it better herself and it's spot on

amerigirl

If twice as many unarmed whites are killed by police than blacks and Whites make up about 76% of the population and blacks only represent about 14%. The by your statistics there is a real problem. for the black community.

scottva

Yes, it's called higher crime rates

amerigirl

So you think all those shooting were during crimes that deserved a death penalty? Maybe for the white offenders, they aren't as quick to shoot them. But using a maybe counterfeit $20 bill? One he could have gotten as a tip from work was worth his life? Or maybe reaching for ID in your car?

Voltaire

AG--again, you can't blanket characterize each officer involved shooting as only one type as each officer involved shooting case is different and has many variables that are different for each instance. And, shocking to the world, the race of the subject plays a very little role, the environment of the situation and the corresponding behavior of the suspect often does. If the suspect is acting suspicitously and reaches into his pocket, is the officer supposed to sit there and have a conversation? How does the officer know that it is an ID? Car keys, when positioned in the hands make a weapon, as demonstrated during the murder trial of Malice Green in Wayne County, MI. In situations like these, the use of TASER would be more effective and less lethal than the service weapon. You can also subdue a suspect with either a truncheon (police baton) or use a flashlight.

amerigirl

Please, the fact that I asked that question just proves that I don't think all officer involved shooting are the same. DUH! WOW is there something wrong with telling someone to take their hands out of their pockets? It's done all the time. along with put your hands up where I can see them. Simple request, if not complied with then take action.

Voltaire

Your "scenario" didn't paint it that way. Instead, it stated about "reaching for his ID Card". Typically, the officer first asks the suspect to remove his hands and put them where he sees them. That is standard police procedure at a traffic stop or initial encounter. The officer, if the suspect is acting suspicious or refuses commands, can elevate the response accordingly (use of TASER, baton, and if necessary service revolver).

Guest

Black males are responsible for almost 50% of murders yet make up only 6% of the population. And you wonder why anyone might be suspicious of a black male? Is it racism? Maybe. Is it human instinct? Maybe. Is it rational? In some circumstances, maybe.

ace10

Five years ago, BLM released a series of ten demands called "Campaign Zero." On that list... police body-worn cameras. Taxpayers invested millions in the equipment, and now BLM says the technology needs to go.

I've personally watched the unedited footage from hundred upon hundreds of police encounters. Aside from sometimes being blocked by a drawn handgun, or a technical issue, the footage is an invaluable tool. Whether it's to stamp out "activists" pushing a narrative which proves to be incorrect or showing LEOs making mistakes or showing poor judgement or even committing a crime.

So which is it BLM... do you want video proof of an encounter or do you not?

Guest

^ Spoken like a true bunker boy

ace10

Can you compose a coherent thought, or are we just going straight to name calling? I know the answer, but I thought it would be polite to at least ask,,,,,

amerigirl

OMG. The original name caller is complaining about someone else calling names? You do that more than anyone who posts in all the comment sections. Hypocrite.

ace10

How about you? Are you able to compose a coherent thought? Try it. It's not all that difficult. How about reacting to BLM flip-flopping on an issue that was one of the central points of discussion five years ago, but now isn't? C'mon, you can do it. Do it for George Floyd. What's wrong with police-worn body cameras?

amerigirl

Ace, people more or less ignore you now because you never have anything meaningful to say and just berate the people posting, grow up. You wouldn't know how easy it was to have a coherent thought you are too busy trying to prove your superiority over the other people commenting to talk about the articles. You make incoherent remarks like BLM flip flopping but don't even say the issues.

Guest

The reply from KK153 shows there is no point in these public displays. Nothing will ever be enough for a significant portion of the thought police mob. Just live your life and be friendly to your neighbors.

scottva

While I completely agree, BLM has slowly chipped away at their stated goal (posted right on their website) of defunding police. LA is defunding their PD by $150M and Portland is eliminating their SRO police resource officers. Can you imagine how people would respond if there's a mass school shooting in Portland? "Why did this happen? Why weren't their more police present to stop the shooting?"

amerigirl

LA is putting some of the funds docked from the LAPD into creating a new special prosecutor position to look into allegations of police misconduct, and money will be reinvested in the black community. Portland feels that using the money to educate black children instead of using SRO officers is better, that's not your decision. Obviously the current situation isn't working.

scottva

If you think $150M is just "some money" you're sadly mistaken. Of course, it's not my decision but next time there's a school shooting, who are they going to blame? Probably the NRA and Republicans. Just keep throwing money at it like we've been doing forever, that will fix it. Absurd.

Voltaire

Oh, you think that defunding police is a good approach? Maybe you should take a look at the UK. They, due budget austerity measures, had dramatically cut their police budgets and the crime rate went sky high as a result. Now, the Government over there is working on restoring funding as the citizenry didn't like crime increasing and police response time slowing.

amerigirl

Scott, LA school board has a budget of 7.59 billion dollars. It is just some money in comparison. Hopefully they will blame the shooter. How do you think you have the amenities that you have? They throw money at it. It's where tax dollars go.

amerigirl

V, why are you always comparing us with other countries. The UK still has less crime than we do per capita. Besides they did say less funding ‘likely contributed’ to a rise in violence, nothing definite. I wouldn't say they are working hard on finding the money, their govt is set up differently and they are mostly fighting about who is gong to cover it. But this is the USA, not the UK.

Voltaire

Why? Because there are useful illustrations that can be found in other countries. The UK is smaller than the US so it would make sense that their overall crime rate would be lower. However, there have significant high rate of knife crimes and other offenses recently. The reason for the illustration is that the UK went through the same thing that local elected officals are trying to do with police funding. The conclusion reached by Chief Constables/Police Commissioners in the UK is that defunding police required cuts to frontline services which caused increased crime, including terrorist offenses, and longer police response times. That is why the Home Office, the Cabinet Department responsible for the Police Service is working on restoring funding. If the elected officials in the USA go down this same road, expect that here. I am aware that this is the USA, and the UK and that the UK has a parliamentary government structure. However, the UK government structure has nothing to do with the point of defunding police.

amerigirl

Vol,

No because of cultural differences. The way different law enforcement's are set up. Like the UK where guns are illegal. The reasoning behind what has caused their failure or success. As far as defunding look at NYC, the police department’s budget is $6 billion, more than the Department of Health, the Department of Homeless Services, the Department of Youth Services, and the Department of Employment Services combined. What if some of that money went into after school programs, even junior programs like junior police or firefighters? There are actually dozens of campaigns that were underway before the events in Minneapolis that were calling for defunding policing, but they took the form of things like we want to halt new hiring, we want to get a handle on overtime, and we want to close down certain problematic programs, like the gang unit, and shift those resources into community needs. They don’t want to completely defund the police, they want to transfer the funds into productive programs.

ace10

You'd think Portland, OR would look at what happened in Eugene, OR last year with the radical Left winger (Charles Landeros) who had unlawfully entered a school with a firearm. It took two LEOs to remove him the school building, and he still managed to shoot at them before they ended his miserable existence.

But yeah. Great idea. Get the only people who have ANY CHANCE of protecting your children out of the places where they are most vulnerable.

amerigirl

Like the right wing nuts don't have radicals that have done as much damage, come on. One incident does not define a group. Maybe if the FBI had moved a little faster with their investigation the whole thing could have been avoided.

Guest

Like you said “one incident does not define a group”.

But you are willing. to blame cops for systemic racism for the actions of a few.

You are willing to. buy in to BLM claims of white privilege and racism when the vast majority of whites are not.

amerigirl

Guest, I have not blamed cops for systemic racism for the actions of a few, I have repeatedly said that there are fewer bad cops than good cops. I don’t know why you had to make that lie about me. If you don’t see the advantage of being white in America it’s because you don’t se what happens to people of color in this country. Look at their education system, it makes it much harder for them to get a decent enough education to even qualify for any college. Without that you employment is limited and your salary is lower.

Voltaire

AG--I will agree with you on the cultural differences between the USA and the UK. Although guns are illegal in the UK, they have a very bad problem with knife crime and other problems, such as drugs and gangs in Council Estates (Public Housing).

There was recently a push to try to arm officers but that didn't go far as it would ruin the image of the Bobby on the beat with only a truncheon. As far as defunding look at NYC, the police department’s budget is $6 billion, more than the Department of Health, the Department of Homeless Services, the Department of Youth Services, and the Department of Employment Services combined. The reason that the NYPD budget is so large is that they need the resources to police a city the size of NYC.

Personally, I don't have a real problem with the reallocation of some police funding to after school programs such as junior programs like junior police or firefighters. I am not saying that law enforcement organizations don't need reform and police overtime is an area that needs it actually. If the police staffing was the right size then you wouldn't need so much overtime. As for gang units, I understand that they get a little "heavy handed" however they are effective. In LA, the CRASH, yes I know it had a bad reputation, but it was an effective unit in dealing with gangs. Residents in areas with gangs did not want the LAPD to abolish it because they felt that it helped them live in those areas. Community policing is an effective tool, I think.

Guest

Reality check:

As vicious and tragic as Floyd’s death was, there has been no evidence that racism was factor.

March, pray and cry if it makes you feel better, but don’t conflate a tragic murder with “systematic racism”.

FBI data shows twice as many unarmed white are killed by police by unarmed blacks.

amerigirl

What data base? Please give where you got that info. From everything I have seen trump stopped them, which was the CDC, from collecting that info anymore and it is now done by the public sector. Currently police depts don't even have to report deaths involving police officers to the federal government.

Guest

Find it yourself

Blame trump for your inadequacies.

amerigirl

I have facts, you have inadequacies. I don't have to blame him, he did this all by himself.

springerdad

Please get tested ASAP if you attended this event.

Over the weekend, Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms (D) told her city’s protesters that they should get tested for the coronavirus as soon as possible.

The Minnesota Department of Health updated its testing guidance Tuesday, adding that groups at high priority for getting a test include “people who have participated in any large gatherings, including but not limited to protests, community clean up and recovery efforts, vigils, [and] neighborhood defense meetings.” The guidance said such people should get tested regardless of whether they have symptoms of the coronavirus.

KK153

so a crowd of 450 people, 448 of which were white, met in a very nice park in a very wealthy neighborhood to stand in "solidarity". And at what cost? They weren't able to get to Starbucks that evening for their triple skinny mocha latte?

stop virtue signaling..put your money where you mouth is. Go down to DC and march in the streets... refuse to pay your taxes to such an unjust country. Quit your job, move to the inner city and become a full time activist.

But then again...not alot of Starbucks in SE DC

Guest

Your stupidity is counterproductive, and your own racism is showing in your comments about Starbucks. These people are taking their first steps in trying to show support to their black neighbors. Some people wade in, not jump in the deep end. Sit down and shut up unless you have something productive to say.

KK153

didn't tale long to throw "racism" out there I see. Fortunately your characterizations mean nothing to me. And I'll continue to speak freely..as I see fit. If your feeling are hurt, then perhaps you may look to the truth in my comments that hurt them and start there.

workhardgetahead

Speak freely? Yes as long as it conforms.to your thought. No way. When people say "All Lives Matter" well that's correct, all lives do matter. My life matters, your life matters, unborn babies lives matter, George Floyd's life mattered and so did they cops who perished trying to protect this country from the rioters.

If you don't like it then you have the problem not me.

Guest

Aw did your daddy not buy you a big enough truck to fit your ego? That’s okay. If you really think that this is all about racism than you are wrong. But like you said you will continue to speak freely, and if that does not show one of the reasons why people are protesting then maybe you are the one that needs to see truth in the comments.

Voltaire

Guest--the first sentence is juvenile and not worth a response. However, can you enlighten me as to how the freedom of speech is justification for demonstration? How can one person's comments be a credible basis for people protesting? Further, what "truths" are you going find here in the comments section? Inquiring minds would like to know.

Voltaire

Workhardgetahead--okay, my family members in law enforcement, during a phone call with me this evening, brought up a good point. If, as you stipulate that "all lives matter", then why hasn't the media provided more extensive coverage to the law enforcement officers who have been hurt/killed during the riots? It would appear that their lives must not matter as much as the protesters since the liberal elites/media haven't discussed this aspect of the civil unrest little at all. That is simply disrespectful and wrong.

workhardgetahead

Voltaire, why hasnt the media brought up the murdered or injured cops? Because it doesnt fit their narrative. The media in this country is no longer actual media, it's the propaganda arm of the far left.

amerigirl

Vol, you really think they haven't covered the cops? All lives matter but all lives are not treated the same, that is the problem. You are now sticking with a bunch over ultra right wing people posting here and have narrowed your view of reality. all you focus on is the cops, you have not even looked at the cops that are getting in line with the protesters, just victimizing the cops you feel are right. Sad, very sad.

Voltaire

AG--based upon what I see on TV and talking with my family in law enforcement, no they have not sufficiently covered. As to your observation, I have seen that law enforcement personnel, when the protests are law abiding and peaceful, have participated and that proves my point about the majority of law enforcement. They care about their communities and want to be a positive influence and actually like their fellow neighbors/residents. I think that is great and shows community spirit. As to your comment about hanging around with other posters, that would be correct as I am an independent and can make my own conclusions/determinations.

amerigirl

VOL. Then I don’t know what they are watching. Somethings I have probably learned about from the newsbreak on my tablet but there is a lot of police violence that isn’t being covered to. Most of what is broadcast, in either case, is local.

scottva

Taking their first step? Is this a brand new and never before seen movement? The demands at the heart of the protestors/movement has been almost the same for 50+ years. Accept, now they want to defund the police departments across the country. For many, many years, we have given money for education. We have given money for rebuilding neighborhoods. We have increased police presence in their neighborhoods. We have given money for minority owned businesses and we have given money simply because of white guilt.

You say KK153 should "sit down and shut up unless he has something productive to say." What's your suggestion? Keep throwing money at the problems? Expanding your white guilt? I have a thought, it's always been said that there's a strength in numbers right? If 13% of the population is demanding change for 100% of Americans, then wouldn't make sense for the 13% to partner with the 70% of the population? The issue here is the NAACP represents the 13%, however, whites represent the 70% of the population and they are not allowed to have a white based organization that can support them in the same way the NAACP represents blacks.

Here's one more thought, how about blacks protestors and organizations be honest? Black people NEVER want to address black on black murders rates, it's racist. Black people NEVER want to discuss why more white people are killed by cops each year than blacks, it's racist. The moment there is a willingness to have the hard conversations is the moment we start heading in the right direction.

Last thought. Many blacks refer to themselves as a "strong black man or black women". How about using some of that strength to minimize the coddling they receive which makes them look weak. Everything nowadays is racist and is usually white people's fault. Cut with the blame game crap. Stop vilifying all white people and maybe, just maybe we can make some progress. I honestly cannot recall any country wide protests when a Hasidic Jew is killed OR a Hispanic OR a white person OR a Muslim OR any other ethnic group, it's always black people and white sympathizers. The narrative has never changed. It is quite literally the definition of insanity.

Bring back Archie Bunker and the Jeffersons and I bet people of all races will lighten up

Voltaire

Workhardgetahead--good point.

Guest

To Voltaire, Scottva and workhardgetahead. Forensic analysis of your comments suggest you're guys, white guys in fact, older, cranky, full of yourself and smug in your Christian Nationalist views. Shame you guys don't start some sort of club where you could go have these conversations instead of wasting electrons here on each and every article in this paper that mentions either guns, race, gender or COVID-19. Perhaps LTM could adopt a "block comments" feature?

Voltaire

Guest--what "forensic analysis" are you talking about? I see you like to use stereotypes to judge people. the last time that I checked this is the USA, so if I, scottva and workhardgetahead want to comment on articles that is our right and you have NO right to determine what any of us do. Also, as long as any of us post comments in compliance with the rules, there is NO basis to block those comments. Get over your elitist smugness...

amerigirl

Vol, get over yourself. You can comment all you want on the articles. Did he say that he would block your comments, NOPE. Read it again. Though he can get your comments blocked from his mailbox. See that is the big problem, the 2 other guys you talk about don’t comply with the rules, they think they are above them. Please don’t start being like them. Now see that last comment you made, it really wasn’t in compliance with the rules either. Be Nice. No racism, sexism or any sort of -ism that is degrading to another person.

Voltaire

AG--there is nothing to "get over". So, it appears that I may have misunderstood his the poster's last comment and do apologize for my comment about his blocking comments on LTM. Also, I agree with your last point and will work on that in the future.

amerigirl

Vol, Like I said, I have been frustrated with the slimey comments that other posters make. I took that out on you when I made the 'get over it' comment and i apologize.

Voltaire

AG--no problem with me. I understand and appreciate your frustration with the uncalled comments that other posters make. Just the heat of debate/battle that's all. All good. [smile]

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