Roger Zurn

Roger Zurn

Loudoun County Supervisor Juli Briskman (D-Algonkian) and a recently formed Facebook group are calling for Loudoun County Treasurer Roger Zurn (R) to resign after he published and quickly deleted a racially insensitive social media post following word that the Aunt Jemima brand will be discontinued.

Zurn, who is white and has served as county treasurer since 1996, posted on his personal Facebook page last week: “Wondering if Aunt Jemima will change to Uncle Tom’s?”

The post, a screengrab of which was sent to the Times-Mirror, was deleted minutes after it went live.

“The residents of Loudoun County deserve better representation from our leaders and should be able to trust that the officer who collects and invests county tax dollars is meeting out his or her duties with integrity and without racial bias,” Briskman, who is white, said in a prepared statement.

The supervisor said this is not the first time Zurn has “engaged in harmful, disrespectful and racially discriminatory” conversation publicly on social media. She questioned whether he can carry out his constitutional duties in a fair and just manner.

Board of Supervisors Vice Chairman Koran Saines (D-Sterling), who is Black, said he agreed with his colleague on Twitter.

Saines tweeted, “He should know where terms, ‘Uncle Tom’ and ‘Aunt Jemima,’ the origins and the meaning behind them come from, and what they’re about, and what they symbolize. And for him, at his mature age, if he doesn’t know those things, then we need to get him a history lesson! #EnoughIsEnough”

Supervisor Sylvia Glass (D-Broad Run), who is Black, also weighed in on the situation.

“I would like to say I am surprised by Mr. Zurn’s most recent racist Facebook post. Sadly, I am not,” Glass said. “He, like so many other seemingly well-intentioned white men of a certain generation appear to be tone deaf to their white privilege and have been allowed to say, ‘I was only joking’ for too long.”

Loudoun County Chairwoman Phyllis Randall (D), the county’s first Black chair, has not commented publicly on the incident.

Zurn Facebook comment on Aunt Jemima announcement

Loudoun County Treasurer Roger Zurn (R) posted the following question on social media following Quaker Oats' announcement to rename and change the image used on its Aunt Jemima maple syrup and pancake mix.

Shortly after he deleted his post, Zurn told the Times-Mirror, “It was an error in judgement.”

The next day he issued an apology on Facebook. “As most are aware, I did a highly inappropriate post yesterday,” Zurn wrote. “It was a feeble attempt at humor and realized it within five minutes and took it down. ... I sincerely apologize to anyone who was offended. You have a right to be upset with me. I am disappointed in myself.”

Zurn scheduled a press conference for midday Thursday, after the Times-Mirror went to press. (Visit LoudounTimes.com for a recap of the press conference.)

His controversial post came after Quaker Oats’ announcement last week that Aunt Jemima’s maple syrup and pancake mix will get a new name and image. The image of the “mammy” kerchief was branded on Quaker Oats products for years, and it has been seen as a racist stereotype dating back to slavery.

“Uncle Tom,” meanwhile, is an offensive nickname for someone who desires to serve others aware of the servant’s lower status, otherwise known as a “house negro.” The stereotype was often used in minstrel shows that depicted black people as lazy, clownish and dumb.

As of Wednesday morning, nearly 500 people had joined a private Facebook group called “Recall Roger Zurn.”

The Loudoun County Democratic Committee last week highlighted another recent instance of racial insensitivity from Zurn.

“On March 27, Mr. Zurn posted ‘China has released the names of the first two people to contract Coronavirus. Sum Ting Wong, Ho Lee Fuk,’” the LCDC said in a statement. “It is fundamental for constituents to hold their elected officials accountable for explicitly racist actions. It is especially unbecoming of an elected official who is supposed to lead with the best interest of all of his or her constituents in mind. Uncle Tom is universally understood as a derogatory term for men of color, and it is unbecoming of any person to use this term.”The statement continued, “Mr. Zurn’s posts personally offended tens of thousands of his constituents and have erased any integrity that may have been associated with his position … As constituents of Loudoun County, we demand that there is an adequate response either from the Loudoun County government or Mr. Zurn himself. Without doubt, many constituents have lost confidence in Mr. Zurn’s ability to execute the duties of his office without prejudice.”

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Read local leaders’ reactions below:

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Supervisor Juli Briskman (D-Algonkian)

”The residents of Loudoun County deserve better representation from our leaders and should be able to trust that the officer who collects and invests county tax dollars is meeting out his or her duties with integrity and without racial bias.

This is not the first, the second or even the third time Mr. Zurn has engaged in harmful, disrespectful and racially discriminatory conversation publicly on social media and it calls into question whether he can carry out his constitutional duties in a fair and just manner.

On March 27, Mr. Zurn posted on Facebook: ‘China has released the names of the first two people to contract Coronavirus. Sum Ting Wong, Ho Lee Fuk,’ making fun of the Mandarin language and clearly dismissing the gravity of a virus that has now killed more than 120,000 U.S. citizens.

Also, on social media, Mr. Zurn has called Minnesota Congresswoman Ilhan Abdullahi Omar a ‘bimbo’ and has posted clearly sexist content with an image woman yelling at a man through a megaphone, saying he was in “deep doo doo,’ while mocking the outrage of Loudoun women over his social media content.

Enough is enough.

Today County Supervisors’ email is flooded with demands for Mr. Zurn’s resignation. The community called for the resignation of Gov. Ralph Northam in February 2019 over a 30-year-old photograph of someone in blackface on his medical yearbook pages.

Mr. Zurn should have learned from this and his many other blunders that brought community backlash. It is clear Mr. Zurn is not taking to heart the lessons from our past nor the atmosphere in our country today where thousands upon thousands are calling for racial justice in the face of systemic racism in all levels of government and society. If he cannot learn from his past mistakes and the loud and angry protesters who have been in the streets for the past three weeks, it is time for him to step down.”

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Supervisor Sylvia Glass (D-Broad Run)

”I would like to say I am surprised by Mr. Zurn’s most recent racist Facebook post. Sadly, I am not. He, like so many other seemingly well-intentioned white men of a certain generation, appear to be tone deaf to their white privilege and have been allowed to say, ‘I was only joking’ for too long.

That time is past. The tragic murders of George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor, Rayshard Brooks, and on and on and on, coupled with the misery wrought by COVID-19 seem to have finally brought our nation to a new moment of reckoning. Change is hard. It is harder for those who have enjoyed the seat of power for 400 years. But change is necessary and it is coming. I hope that all leaders of Loudoun County can walk hand-in-hand to usher in this change together.

I am a Christian, a Jesus follower. I know what my worth is in Him — this is what I remind myself when I see images of Aunt Jemima and comparisons to Uncle Tom — I am worthy. I only wish that all children of God, and we are all children of God, saw the worth in each other — regardless of race, education, wealth, beauty, power. I grew up in the church, my father was a pastor and past President of the Prince William County NAACP and worked for the equality of all citizens. I plan to use this legacy to work with my fellow leaders as we make our County more safe, welcoming, and equitable for all.

Mr. Zurn is also a Jesus follower. I hope this is the last time he thinks it’s ok to post a joke that is so obviously painful and demeaning to many of his fellow Loudoun citizens and sisters and brothers in Christ.

Let us not forget that Jesus taught us, ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

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Chairman Koran Saines (D-Sterling)

”I am deeply offended and troubled by the racism displayed by Roger Zurn on his Facebook page today. Enough is enough! This is not the first nor the second time he has made racially charged and offensive posts. Sadly, this is a clear pattern now. This is not how anyone in our community should behave, let alone our community’s leaders.

I encourage others who were offended by these comments to let your feelings be known. All us elected officials have the same boss: the people, and the people have a right to let us know what they think about our conduct. There are many civil channels to do this.

We as a community must call out and denounce such harmful and insensitive remarks and actions. We should not stand for such indecency in Loudoun. We should no longer remain quiet or turn a blind eye to behaviors that damage the fabric of our community.

Given recent events that have shone a stark spotlight on the scourge of racism and hate, we as a community should be pulling together, not apart, and our leaders have a responsibility to heal, not inflame.”

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Loudoun NAACP Branch

”We are glad to hear that companies across the country are reviewing insensitive marketing and practices and look forward to them supporting minority communities with more diverse hiring and promotion along with increased corporate investment into minority communities.

Unfortunately, this is not the first time that Mr. Zurn has made a statement that members of minority communities and their allies would find offensive. We advise Mr. Zurn and other elected officials that not everything needs a hot-take or clever comment from them. Listening to communities directly impacted by systemic racism, who we would remind them are also their constituents, would serve them better.

Mr. Zurn, all elected officials representing Loudoun County and the general public are welcome to our general membership meetings the third Monday of every month at 7 p.m. to listen, learn and participate in making Loudoun the best community it can be. More information can be found here: https://naacploudoun.org/.

We look forward to Mr. Zurn joining our meeting in July.”

(104) comments

scottva

I'm trying to understand..........

With all of the racial tensions across America and the amazing attention Black Lives Matter has garnered (positive and negative), is there anyone that would disagree with the following platform statement:

Lift your Own Race Up, Don't Push Others Down:

• If we want to spin our wheels trying to disparage other races while our own gets wiped off the map, then I say we deserve to die. It is futile and idiotic.

• We need to be helping out our own people, not doing petty sniping at others.

• Try doing real-world activities to help your community.

• Be prepared to fight, but put your efforts into things that actually help in the present. Add value to your community, instead of taking from it.

• Make money so you can support causes. Be an example of what is good so others can follow it. Find locals that are in need and organize a function to tackle that need.

• Celebrate what is good and amazing about our own culture instead of trying to point out what is bad about other cultures. That makes people want to experience and value the things that we value about our race.

• The only way we're going to create enough unity among our people to overcome the massive challenges ahead of us is to make them care about who they are. The only way we're going to do that is by showing and demonstrating all of the good qualities of our race.

• Bringing down someone else might make you feel good temporarily, but it makes you look bad and it undermines your message. Be the best that you can be in your life. You represent us!

Science Can Save Us

I have to believe this began life as some sort of white supremacist manifesto...

scottva

Good call! I think to better understand BLM we need to understand the other side as well, in this case, white nationalists. I found that yesterday and while worded very differently, the objectives and concepts are very close to BLM.

amerigirl

Maybe you should stop making fun of other posters and your comments might get printed.

amerigirl

pretty self centered culture, not inclusive at all.

JayZ

I really enjoyed reading these posts. Many good and insightful comments. Sylvia is right though Many older people like Zurn have held I. The same office for so long they feel too secure and complacent and have lost their swareness of what is going on and how their comments offend now and have always offended. It is like the filters have been removed and you can truly see the person. I think it is time he stepped aside and let a new younger person take the office. I mean doesn’t he read?

he read the papers??

Loudooun independent

The Boss should pass a resolution condemning racist Zurn. Then we can see if the R supervisors vote to condem or stand with the racist.

Has sherrif Chapman issued a statement? Hmmm, I don't think so.

Voltaire

Loudooun independent--I suspect that they probably will at some point. Why does the County Sheriff have to issue a statement about this topic? Zurn didn't violate the Criminal Code.

Loudooun independent

They run as the "unified Republican ticket" with a big group photo every four years. So it would make sense for all of them to condemn racist Zurn. Plus it is THE right thing to do.

Voltaire

Loudooun indpendent--OK. However the decision to either condemn or not Roger Zurn's behavior is their choice. If they choose not to, that is acceptable as well. As to the last statement about it being "THE" right thing to do, that is subjective. You cannot speak for them.

LetFreedomRing

The hypocrisy and double standards are oh so strong on this one.

I reject all forms of racism. I find it peculiar that Democrats see racism as a one way street — the verdict of “racism” depending on whether the accused is white or black, Republican or Democrat. There is a very strong and clear double standard. All forms of racism are wrong or else none of them are.

amerigirl

What dems see it as a one way street? That is an over exaggeration. Racist come is every color, religion, etc. and yes all forms of it are wrong. But so is your generalization of it being dems, that is just another bias. The dems are also the ones that stood up against the Muslim ban, throwing Latino in cages, and other inequality injustices,.Where is the double standard?

LetsBreal

It was not a ban against muslims. It was a ban on certain countries. If it had been a ban on muslims, many more countries than Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen would have been on the list in Executive Order 13769.

The Obama administration, not the Trump administration, built the cages that hold many immigrant children at the U.S.-Mexico border.

amerigirl

Try politifact, Trump promised during the primary race that he would halt Muslim immigration to the United States in an attempt to prevent terrorist attacks on American soil. The reason he had to use certain countries was leaders in both the Democratic and Republican parties criticized the proposal when Trump first floated it. Congress could take away his authority under the Immigration and Nationality Act.It's not like he didn't try. Huge difference between the cages, Obama was a temporary measure to get kids off the street that had no place to go as they were being placed. Trump was, and still is separating families many that have people who would take them in and is treating them terribly, many of which have died from that treatment.

scottva

The double standard is the entire foundation of the Liberal party. The "Muslim Ban" never existed, however, the executive powers predate Trump and all he did was enforce an existing tool. He did not recreate it or make it up. Latino's in cages? Let's be clear on two points: 1. This was started under Obama and 2. MS-13 members are Latino and they should be thrown in cages, not all Latinos, MS-13 and the others that commit heinous crimes against Americans.

AG, you seem like a spirited person that is playing the same record for over 50 years. Do you know what's really an injustice? People like you constantly saying the white man, Trump, his supporters and Americans are racist hateful people. Start a protest and create another played out sign.

amerigirl

Please, a republican talking about double standards, how hypocritical. Existing tool? He is the king of executive orders because he couldn't get anything passed even when they held all 3 positions. He's already done 25 this year, if only he would put as much energy in to doing something about the Covid. He doesn't even know what the 19 means. Lets be very very clear, (1) terrorism suspects sanctioned under a Bush administration executive order were barred from entry by President Obama. He never banned a country. the last president to ban people from a country was Reagan who banned Cuba. Trump has banned 7 countries, not just the terrorist on the watch list. (2) DUH! Why are there still thousands of children separated from their parents? Who treats kids that way? These are not criminals. Oh Scott, you think you now everyone and their past too? You have no idea what I was like 50 years ago, in fact once I was a registered republican, then I saw the light. People, like me, say trumpster is racist because he is. There is no way people think that all Americans are, people like you generalize everyone to fit into your ideal of what a democrat is, but you have no idea.

AshburnRez

I am APPALLED at Sylvia Glass' blatant RACISM.

"He, like so many other seemingly well-intentioned white men of a certain generation appear to be tone deaf to their white privilege.."

This is racist! I demand she apologize and RESIGN! Racism is a two-way street!

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AshburnRez

Great response! Thanks for stopping by!

Voltaire

LOL

amerigirl

Oh I don't think so, I've met many of those white men.

CindyLou

HA! You demand she apologize? I think she's not the only one! I think all the radical republicans need to apologize to liberals for constantly calling them names, bullying them and making racial slurs at people that support immigration and don't approve of racist behavior. I demand it!!!!!!

IanXDm

What was wrong with his question?

Voltaire

IanXDm--are you being serious? I believe that the issue with this particular item from Roger Zurn is the use of the word "Uncle Tom" in the question.

amerigirl

Really, aren't you aware of the demeaning context?

scottva

Go and watch the new movie called "Uncle Tom" and learn a thing or two about blacks being called "Uncle Tom". I think you can find it on Youtube.

pittguy20

What gets me is , It’s totaling acceptable for black person to call a White person a CRACKER, BUT Comes along a WHITE person And calls a black person A a N————— it’s a DEATH SENTENCE! Doesn’t make any sense!!

amerigirl

The difference? You can write the word cracker and not too many people take offense but even you couldn't write out the other word because it is that bad. Nobody is calling for a death sentence, don't be a drama queen.

Virginia SGP

Just take it back. If a group sells rap songs using the n-word, they clearly meant for their lyrics to be repeated. Take it back.

Voltaire

Virginia SGP--just because a group uses the n-word in a rap song that does not make it okay to use in civil conversation. I would hope the use of the Queen's English would be based on the proper/established rules, not based upon Billboard's record sales.

amerigirl

Not a chance, you can't see a cultural difference? Teen girls call each other and their friends some of the worse names I have heard but that is their culture and they don't mean it offensively.

scottva

Heck man, you don't even have to go that far. Just say "All Lives Matter" and you'll be a marked man. Avoid any discussions that involve: black cats, bad guys that wear black, don't challenge the new catchphrases "systemic racism" or "implicit bias" and lastly never ever say you don't harbor white guilt. Follow these basic rules and you should live a good few more years.

I've never heard of people wanting to reduce racism by using another race as the scapegoat. I think that's referred to as racism, however racism is apparently only unidirectional and only one race can be racist. It gets really confusing when discussing the NAACP and you accidentally refer to a black person as "colored" because as you may guess, it's racist. Even though NAACP is the preeminent black organization in America , and the last two letters stand for "Colored People", it's off limits. Maybe they should consider a name change because the rules change like the wind.

amerigirl

If all lives matter why aren’t all people treated the same. You know very well that black people are not treated the same in the legal system. So, all lives matter is a lie just to make people like you feel better. Anyone of any race can be racist, fact. But where is the problem in the US right now? The reason the term colored people was dropped is because it referred to the help and because of the way it was written on signs during the Jim Crow era. Both making it look as if they were a subordinate class of people. The organization and Jim Crow laws were enacted about the same time and it wasn't a derogatory term until whites used it in their sign sage and laws to make blacks inferior to whites.

MitchT

Sadly, even though Loudoun Times Mirror was called out on their racist covering-up for those who use the term "Uncle Tom" these days, LTM continued their biased and half-truth definition of the term, pretending it was something done in the past. "Uncle Tom" is commonly used to attack black conservatives with a racist demand that all blacks think alike and toe the Democrat/liberal line. This can easily be verified by googling any black conservative name followed by "called Uncle Tom" and you'll see lots of documentation.

It's too bad, because such racist double standards convince people that the issue of white to black racism is made up, and changes the discussion to that hypocrisy of liberals instead of solving the real problem of racism. Shame on LTM--double shame since they got caught doing this last week and unlike Roger Zurn, have neither apologized or corrected their bias, and they repeated again it within a week.

CKB

Roger Zurn's words and actions reflect his mindset and racist behavior towards minorities. I just wrote an email to all the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors ( bos@loudoun.gov ) asking for them to remove him from his position effective immediately. We have lived in Loudoun County for 20+ years and faced a lot of discrimination including our daughter in LCPS. This type of racism and bigotry MUSt be stopped immeidately! Please write in to the board of supervisors at the above email asking for his immediate removal.

LetSanityPrevail

I don't believe the BOS can remove him as he is an elected official.

amerigirl

They can, Code § 24.2-233 states that "Upon petition, a circuit court may remove from office any elected officer or officer who has been appointed to fill an elective office, residing within the jurisdiction of the court. Code § 24.2-233 states acceptable reasons for recall when it has "material adverse effect upon the conduct of the office" . But they really shouldn't have to, he should just resign and save his name. .

scottva

AG Please - This man could donate his life savings to BLM, NAACP, and EIEIO and people like you will still go after him. Best thing he can do is stay in his job and not cave to the social warriors like yourself. No good will come from it.

Voltaire

Scottva--the best thing that Zurn could do for the integrity of the office is either (a) stop acting juvenile with posts that are offensive or (b) resign. It has nothing to do with BLM, NAACP, and EIEIO. He is an elected public official and SHOULD know better. If he doesn't, then the public has the right to remove him. This principle applies whether Zurn was a (D), (R), or (I).

amerigirl

Scott, it isn’t a pay to play situation. It is a first-time situation either. But what would impress me would to see him do volunteer work to help the black community, they really don’t want his money, they want respect. First time, sorry would work, second time, sorry means nothing if you can’t show you really mean it by doing something to prove it. You can call me a social warrior but how do you think change happens? How could it be the best thing for him to stay in his job? Isn’t that the same as saying you can disrespect the black community as much as you want and because you have a position of importance in the county it is acceptable? That is just not right, I hope you can see that. If he is truly sorry let him call some of those organizations, tell them he made a mistake and ask what he can do to redeem himself.

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Voltaire

Virginia SGP--You are right that the BOS cannot remove him as he is elected. However, § 24.2-233 of the Code of Virginia states that "Upon petition, a circuit court may remove from office any elected officer or officer who has been appointed to fill an elective office, residing within the jurisdiction of the court. Code § 24.2-233 states acceptable reasons for recall when it has "material adverse effect upon the conduct of the office" So, the Circuit Court of Loudoun County, upon receipt of a proper petition with the required number of signatures can do so.

LoudounandOut

Where are the condemnations from Buffington, Letorneau, and Kirschner? By not saying anything means that they condone his racist posts.

amerigirl

Did Buffington, Letorneau, and Kirschner make a public statement? Nah, how can they defend what he did?

AshburnRez

So silence is consent now?

Voltaire

AshburnRez--It shouldn't be construed as such.

amerigirl

If you read the post I commented to I was saying that they didn't make a statement. Not that it was consent. That wasn't the question asked.

Voltaire

LoudounandOut--no, they don't have to provide a statement one way or another on the subject. That is their choice. By not saying anything, however, cannot be construed as they condone those posts. It is no different than an abstention in voting on a piece of legislation. It doesn't mean in favor or against the bill that is being voted on. It is neutral.

Virginia SGP

Comedians say these things every single day. You are not offended. You are just trying to put your own candidate in office. Nobody is fooled.

Voltaire

Virginia SGP--how do you know what offends me? You don't so don't make presumptions. Furthermore, I have no candidate that I want to put into that office. Who do you think I am, George Soros? I am flattered but get over it.

amerigirl

Comedians say things that shouldn't be repeated in public, but they are comedians, not to be taken seriously. BTW, your comments won't get printed if you keep calling people names.

LetFreedomRing

The (D)’s can save their fake outrage and calls for resignation until they’re ready to hold our racist governor to the same standards.

amerigirl

They did, how quickly you forget. There was an investigation and they couldn't prove anything. Had they been able to it may have been different but you can't condemn someone without proof.

IanXDm

lol! There was proof, and he admitted to it... check your facts.

amerigirl

LOL no there wasn't check your facts. He said if the school printed the picture it must be him and that he didn't remember it. His biggest problem was thinking the school couldn't make a mistake. It was investigated and they can NOT confirm who is in the picture. You are just trying to deflect from what Zurn did. Or do you think this would justify what Zurn did twice?

LetFreedomRing

amerigirl, he admitted it and apologized for it. It was only later, probably after someone far brighter than Northam, advised him to recant his confession, rather than freely admit guilt. Defend him all you want. Racist Ralph is not who you wish he was.

amerigirl

Let's, I watched it when he made the statement. He said if the school put it there it must be right and that he couldn't recall that ever happening. He seemed to think that they school couldn't have made a mistake and so he apologized. The more he thought about it the more he realized that it wasn't him and even asked that facial rec be done. It was investigated and they couldn't come to any conclusion it was him, unlike the republicans who have all the proof they need because that fits the agenda.

Voltaire

LetFreedomRing--what is there to justify Governor Northam to resign? He has NOT, during his tenure as Governor, done anything to support recall/removal. He, now for the umpteenth + time, did the "blackface" incident when he was a private citizen (medical school student) and hadn't entered Virginia politics. If you felt this strongly about the "blackface" incident, you should have done this at the ballot box in November when he was a candidate running for Governor.

LetFreedomRing

Voltaire, I haven’t defended anyone. It’s odd that you act like you know me but you don’t know how I vote. I vote in all elections because I firmly believe that the most important civic responsibility we have is to vote. I have simply asked for equal treatment, regardless of party affiliation.

I reject all forms of racism. I find it extremely disingenuous and hypocritical for you and Democrats to pile on a Republican who did/said/insinuated some stupid s***, while conveniently ignoring or dismissing all fellow party members who have done the equivalent. Save your moral and virtuous signaling. Man up. Either ALL forms of racism are acceptable/dismissible or all/none of them are.

Your asinine stance that Ralph Northam was racist before being elected but supposedly has changed since being elected, therefore he is miraculously and eternally forgiven, is intellectually dishonest and immediately negates any argument you may try to make to defend him.

Voltaire

LetFreedomRing—the initial premise presented by you was as follows…”The (D)’s can save their fake outrage and calls for resignation until they’re ready to hold our racist governor to the same standards.” Contrary to your assessment, I have not made any determination about how you vote and, to be honest, it is not really that relevant to the discussion here. You state that you want “equal treatment, regardless of party affiliation”. I agree with that and support the same goal as you. However, I am not “piling on” Zurn as a republican but I am applying the SAME standard that applies to anyone, be they (D), (R) or (I) who holds public office. There is nothing to man up. I am CORRECTLY applying the standard that is outlined in the Code of Virginia. If you have a problem with that section of the Code of Virginia, then I suggest that you need to go to Richmond and ask the General Assembly to be changed. It is that simple. If you, as I have done, apply that standard, then the logical conclusion is that Zurn, while in office, is wrong to have made those comments and behaved that way. As for Northam and/or Herring, did they commit the “blackface incidents” while holding official office? The answer is simply NO. Therefore, in accordance with the Code of Virginia, there is nothing for them to be removed. Northam and Herring did the “blackface incidents” while they were private citizens. I am not saying, as you incorrectly assume, that “Ralph Northam was racist before being elected but supposedly has changed.” What I am saying is that there is NO credible evidence to date that supports the basic argument that the Governor of Virginia has committed an infraction WHILE IN OFFICE that meets the legal requirements for removal. The same argument applies to the Virginia Attorney General. Contrary to your claim, there is nothing “intellectually dishonest” about this argument. Also, is hypocritical that you claim that I am “making a determination” about your voting patterns and yet you have somehow determined that I am a Democrat? How do you know that? You don’t. I am an Independent voter, thanks for asking. Also, there is nothing “moral and virtuous signaling” involved here but maybe there needs to some objective logic applied. Finally, I am not the counsel for either Northam or Herring so I don’t have “to defend them”. What I am defending is the system because there appears to be a lot of misunderstanding of how the system works.

amerigirl

So it's fake outrage? You defend what Zurn did? One thing has nothing to do with the other. Stop trying to deflect. You know that Northam was called on to resign when it happened by many democrats, so it is you with the fake outrage.

Peterrabbit

Well, the first thing you have here is "finger flipping" Briskman who is a disgrace to hold public office after showing disrespect for the office of the presidency and who also took over $150,000.00 from a go fund me account after her employer rightly fired her.

Secondly, you have criminal Saines who has been jailed for drunk driving and who has been sued by his HOA at least three times.

I have no comment on the last supervisor because she is as lost as the first two! All three know nothing about Virginia law! Mr. Zurn can not be removed for simply expressing his opinion which is protected by the first amendment!

Zurn will never resign, not should he. Mr. Zurn made a stupid mistake and apologized. That's all he can do. The voters will decide if he is returned to office. Mr. Zurn is a huge vote getter. I am confident that the voters will return him to office if he wishes.

Voltaire

Peterrabbit--you are wrong. § 24.2-233 of the Code of Virginia entitled "Removal of elected and certain appointed officers by courts" allows for the removal of local elected officials such as Zurn. The section states that "...Upon petition, a circuit court may remove from office any elected officer or officer who has been appointed to fill an elective office, residing within the jurisdiction of the court: (1) For neglect of duty, misuse of office, or incompetence in the performance of duties when that neglect of duty, misuse of office, or incompetence in the performance of duties has a material adverse effect upon the conduct of the office..." That is Virginia law. This section of the Code of Virginia also states "...The petition must be signed by a number of registered voters who reside within the jurisdiction of the officer equal to ten percent of the total number of votes cast at the last election for the office that the officer holds." So, yes, if there are enough people to satisfy this requirement and get the petition signed and present it to the Circuit Court of Loudoun County then the court could remove Zurn.

LetSanityPrevail

This is correct and holds for any elected official in VA. Neglect of duty, misuse of office or incompetence in performance of his duties would be a very large stretch in this case. I doubt very much if a court would agree to remove him as it would be nearly impossible to claim his comments materially affected or will affect his ability to conduct the business of his office.

amerigirl

Why would he want to go through that, he should just resign. The petition has been started.

Voltaire

LetSanityPrevail--if there is a petition signed by the required number of people then I believe that the court, once the petition is presented to the court, would be required to do it per the Code of Virginia section.

LetSanityPrevail

V per § 24.2-233. Removal is for infraction of the items listed. The court would have a hard time justifying removal as he did not break any law. They could try on the basis of conduct in office but that would be a stretch and I doubt it would survive a challenge.

Voltaire

LetSanityPrevail--the "survivability of a challenge" is the determination of a sitting Circuit Court judge. Are you one? No. How do you know what conclusion the court would come to? The answer is that you don't. The court would probably have a hearing where witnesses and evidence can be presented. I think that there is sufficient information there for the Court to come to a conclusion about Zurn's conduct.

amerigirl

So, you want to bring up the thing they did as part of the public sector? You have the wrong person being sued by the HOA, try Hannah. If you want to get your info from Loudoun GOP Politics at least get the right person. So he was arrested in 2003 and 2007 for DWI and nothing since then. He ran in 2015, it’s 2020, how long do you want to hold it against him? I wonder how high the chances of being pulled over for driving while black influenced that. Neither were representing the people of Loudoun at the time of their incidents, Zurn was. Zurn is a repeat offender at doing this while in office and representing the people of Loudoun. Zurn should resign.

Djfmer

You hit the

Mark. So a small error in judgement was made by a minor official. Major double standards with BOS Dems, Governor, Lieutenant Governor and Loudoun NAACP.

amerigirl

error that was repeated, he's only sorry he got caught. You can't justify that using other people, just trying diversion, diversion, diversion

LIfetimeLoudouner

As usual if it’s a republican then off with their heads for any mistake but their democrat governor “coonman” Northam then it’s ok. Our governor was a racist and probably still is. His nickname was coonman - what do you think that means.

If it’s wrong then its wrong for all not just for some.

amerigirl

Again someone who just listened to all the conspiracy theories and didn't bother to check any of it out. Never proven he was in the pic, only 2 people in the school ever used that name, but all you republicans use it like it was a common occurrence. Google it. look it up do just a little fact checking before you tell those lies.

Voltaire

LL--again, that is not correct. The same standard applies if you are (D) (R) or (I). What Governor Northam (not "Coonman") did during his private life is not relevant as he did not do this in his official capacity as Governor. There is no basis, whether you like it or not, to remove him from office as he has done nothing to support recall/removal.

applicant45554

This guy apparently assaulted a child and still got re-elected. The story is on the internet somewhere. If he kept his job after that , then this probably won’t affect him either.

LetsBreal

After Juli Briskman throwing the middle finger at President Trump, I think it's time for her to leave the keyboarding to surrogates. Pay attention to your community Briskman, not DNC leftist politics.

amerigirl

Let's, she wasn't an elected official then and not representing the people of Loudoun. Though that middle finger may have help her get elected.

scottva

So if you're saying the past is not representative of the present, then why do we keep having discussions about slaves and slave owners as if we were all there?

LetsBreal

Yeah....surreal, ain't it!

By that standard, the slate is wiped clean for DJT prior to Dec 19th, 2016. Did and done.

amerigirl

Slaves were not elected officials, Lincoln who changed their status was an elected official. Slave owners??? If they fought for the confederacy, to continue slavery, then I have a problem

amerigirl

Lets Oh please, trump is such a racist and has continued to be since being elected, look at the rally, "kung flu" to describe the coronavirus. He wanted to shoot Latinos headed for the border and throw kids in cages, separates families of Latinos. Telling four American congresswomen who were born here to go back to their countries. Treatment of the Americans in Puerto Rico, which he didn’t know was part of the US, he said that after seeing America the Nigerians would never "go back to their huts." Trump read off a sheet stating that 15,000 persons had visited from Haiti, he commented, "They all have AIDS," and the "very fine people on both sides", On January 11, 2018 "$$$t#0le countries" has a history of describing largely black populated areas as being "infested", Atlanta in 2017, sanctuary cities in 2018, and Baltimore. On August 20, 2019, "And I think any Jewish people that vote for a Democrat, I think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty." his use of the phrase "Chinese Virus" for SARS-CoV-2. "When the looting starts, the shooting starts". June 12, 2020 interview with Fox News host Harris Faulkner, a black woman, Trump claimed to have done more for blacks than the 16th president Abraham Lincoln. Trump further suggested that although Lincoln "did good", the end result was "always questionable". Then you have his triangle symbol that was just removed by facebook.

Voltaire

AG--i seriously doubt it.

scottva

Please let us know the criteria

Loudoun4Trump

and noe=ne of them said a peep about governor klansman or blackface ag....so spare us your political outrage.....Phyllis returend the governor campaign money so I have respect for her for doing so. When I hear these three condemn the governor and AG for doing a heck of a lot worse I will listen to them....

amerigirl

He also was not an elected official and was not representing Virginia, and you need to get the real story of what happened and stop listening to all those right wing conspiracy theories.

LetsBreal

You need to stop trying to rewrite history. It's not working.

If it weren't for double standards, democrats would have no standards at all.

Voltaire

LetsBreal--why is this difficult to grasp? There are NO double standards. The standard would be consistently applied whether the individual was a (D), (R), or (I). The standard is that, to remove a sitting official, they have to commit an infraction during that time and then they could be recalled/removed. As stated before, both Governor Northam and Virginia Attorney General Herring had incidents involving "blackface" when they were private citizens and before entering politics. The time for you to have "done something" was at the ballot box in November as that would have been the time for you to judge the merits of these incidents when you voted. However, since neither individual has done nothing to support the idea of recall/removal, then that is simply the way it is no matter how distasteful you think it is.

amerigirl

You are the one rewriting. Where are your standards if you won't at least google it to get the truth?

amerigirl

Rewrite history??? Look it up and stop the lying. Are you so afraid of the truth that yu won't even fact check things? Might ruin your agenda. Tat is the real double standard, democrats have to be held to the truth but republicans can lie if there is a conspiracy theory to back it up.

Voltaire

L4T--for the umpteenth time, there is nothing to justify the removal of either the Governor or the Attorney General for the Commonwealth of Virginia. Both "blackface" incidents occurred when both gentlemen were private citizens. Upon election, there hasn't been anything to justify the removal of either individual. The same standard would apply if the individual was a (R) or a (I). As to the Loudoun BOS Chairperson returning campaign funds, that is her decision to make.

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Voltaire

L4T--I am not naive. However, in my world, I deal with facts and not in conspiracy theories either. Who is this "we" you are referring to? Further, you don't know zip squat about me so don't make presumptions as to what I would do or not. Again, I don't care if you like it or not as it is not material, but you cannot force the Governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia or the Virginia Attorney General to be removed from office because of events that occurred BEFORE they were elected into that office. The only way that you can get them removed from office is if they committed an infraction while they are in office. If they are "an embarrassment to the Commonwealth of Virginia", then why does Governor Northam have relatively high approval numbers? I believe that Herring does as well? If they were such "an embarrassment", then their disapproval numbers should higher? Explain that.

LoudounPulse

"Three Loudoun supervisors react"... but there is nothing they can do about it.

That should have been the title of this article.

amerigirl

Pressure works pretty often.

sleezburg

@fiscalconservative- When you forgive Al-Qaeda and any other terror organization then you can come and ask Mrs. Glass to forgive. Typical right wing hypocrisy.

Fiscalconservative

Sylvia Glass is a follower of Jesus Christ and has yet is unwilling to forgive. I am sure Jesus would want you to forgive. The NAACP calls on hiring more minorities, what are you doing to help minorities be better qualified. If you truly want to eliminate racism, then let;s make everything equal. No more preferential for people of certain skin color, no more ethnicity questions on applications any where, no more. The best way to reduce racism, it to treat everyone the same, no one group is more important than another. No group is more important than another, we are all Americans and deserve to be treated equally. If you want to show someone who you are don't tell them who you are but live accordingly.

amerigirl

She never said she didn't forgive him, just that she disapproved of what he did. Big difference. The start with treating everyone the same is to make sure they are treated the same, receive the same education to give them the same access to the same jobs. You say on one group is more important than another than why can't areas with high numbers of people of color get the same education as their white counterparts? we are all Americans and deserve to be treated equally.

LetsBreal

If they want the same education, they can pay for it just like everyone else. If they can't pay, apply for loans and grants like everyone else. If you believe in equal treatment, then you have to be against affirmative action and quotas which bring about reverse discrimination. Equal treatment does not mean equal outcomes.

amerigirl

You don't think they pay taxes like everyone else? It has to start in elementary school.

LIfetimeLoudouner

Ok treat our democrat governor the same As you want to treat Zurn. Have our racist democrat governor “Coonman” Northam resign.

amerigirl

Northam was investigated and nothing could be proven Zurn had it in black and white and it was proven. Republicans use that nickname because they are racist and only 2 other students in his school ever called him that, people he wasn't even friends with. Look it up. Zurn should resign, it's not the first racist comment he has made.

Voltaire

LL--on what basis? Governor Northam (not "Coonman" or "Blackface") committed the incident when he was a private citizen and not involved in Virginia politics. He has done nothing to justify his removal as Governor. Zurn, on the other hand, has committed infractions during his time as Treasurer of Loudoun County. There is a big difference here.

scottva

So if everyone is treated the same, same education and the same jobs, who are people supposed to look up to, black or white? Absolute equity for all, regardless of race, seems counterproductive. There's over 100 black colleges/universities in the US, however, this does not mean these are the only schools "people of color" can attend. Why can't "people of color" get the same education? Maybe if BLM, NAACP, and EIEIO concentrated on black communities as well, instead of selective victims of police or white violence, progress could really move forward. My "white privilege" has nothing to do with (14) murdered in Chicago over the weekend, including a 3 year old and a 13 year old. How about just one protest for these victims.

Why is it if kids act up in school, outside of school we're told "it starts at home and the community" but when it comes to black communities, we're still held accountable, blamed or expected to feel guilty. If people hammered the leaders of the black communities half as hard as the country as a whole AND BLM, NAACP and EIEIO would get off of their butts and focus on where the greatest threats are, maybe forward progress could be made. Don't bother calling me a racist or white supremacist, it's overused played out and meaningless. Try answering my questions instead of calling me some stupid name.

amerigirl

Are you seriously saying that people need inequity to have someone to look up to? How about heroes, people who have made their mark in the world through medicine, and innovation? You are talking about higher education, and many poorer people have never gotten enough education to qualify for a higher education. Concentrating on black communities is exactly what those groups are doing. It doesn’t have to be one or the other, that is what defunding the police is about. It is taking money and some responsibilities from the police and putting it to better use to promote the lifestyle of poorer communities. It is redirecting money into mental health, educational, homelessness, and social programs that will actually help the community and the police won’t have to be the social workers on the street. It would be preventive instead of having to deal with all the violence, examples are after school programs, and fund schools, hospitals, housing. A 2017 report, which focused on several weeks in 2014 through 2015 when the New York Police Department purposely pulled back on "proactive policing," found that there were 2,100 fewer crime complaints during that time. The study defines proactive policing as the "systematic and aggressive enforcement of low-level violations" and heightened police presence in areas where "crime is anticipated."

Nobody hold you responsible for kids that act up, they blame the kid or the environment, and if you feel guilty about that it might be because you realize that not enough is being done to change the environment, they live in. You say that those groups are not looking forward but they have been asking for that change for many, many years and life as usual has continued anyway. Instead of spending money for the programs that would benefit the community they just hire more cops and pay them.

amerigirl

BTW, I am not derogatory towards anyone one that has not been derogatory towards me

Voltaire

AG—overall, I don’t have a problem with reforming the law enforcement organization, as there are areas that do require reform, and generally agree with you that law enforcement officers are not trained to be social workers. However, New York Police Department Commissioner William Bratton’s broken windows theory on policing is valid. The broken windows theory is a criminological theory that states that visible signs of crime, anti-social behavior, and civil disorder create an urban environment that encourages further crime and disorder, including serious crimes. The theory suggests that policing methods that target minor crimes such as vandalism, loitering, public drinking, jaywalking and fare evasion help to create an atmosphere of order and lawfulness, thereby preventing more serious crimes. Law enforcement should be enforcing the law, all laws. The redirection of some some funding to social programs may make some progress overall but there still will be violence. How does the redirection of funding from law enforcement to social programs help with the inner city gangs? That is one of the major problems within the City of Chicago. A lot of the murders within the Chicago metro area are associated with turf battles between various gangs. Another problem is that the Chicago Police Department is understaffed already and taking away funding from it won’t help solve the murder rate there. How would providing additional funding to social services going to solve the problem of gang/serious crime in public housing projects in areas like Chicago? How does that help those law-abiding individuals who live in fear in those projects if there is a reduced presence of police due budget reductions? The question concerning gangs isn’t just restricted to Chicago, but to all other cities such as Los Angeles. Now, concerning the 2017 report, which focused on several weeks in 2014 through 2015 when the New York Police Department purposely pulled back on "proactive policing," found that there were 2,100 fewer crime complaints during that time. The study defines proactive policing as the "systematic and aggressive enforcement of low-level violations" and heightened police presence in areas where "crime is anticipated." However, you cannot say with certainty that withdrawal of “proactive policing” did this. For example, during 2014-15, after a jury declined to indict the officers involved in the fatal choke-hold of Eric Garner in Staten Island, the New York Police Department held a work “slowdown” for about seven weeks as political conflict between protesters, Mayor Bill de Blasio and the city’s police unions intensified. Legally, police officers can’t strike. But they can “work-to-rule,” doing only the most necessary duties. They responded to calls only in pairs, left their squad cars only if they felt compelled, and did not perform certain proactive policing tactics, such as getting out of their vehicles to issue summonses or arrest people for petty crimes and misdemeanors. The officers were ultimately ordered to return to work by Jan. 16, 2015.

Concerning proactive policing and the broken windows theory, Bratton was also correct in that broken windows policing should not be treated as "zero tolerance" or "zealotry", but as a method that requires "careful training, guidelines and supervision" and a positive relationship with communities, thus linking it to community policing.

amerigirl

Volt, I disagree with the broken window zero-tolerance policy he put forth. He was hired in 1993, but NYC study from 2014 through 2015 dramatically showed less crime when they stopped doing that very thing. Relations between the community and the police will never improve if they are going to continue arresting them for standing on street corners and minor infractions. If inner city kids have a purpose from the programs created then they will be much more likely to going to join gangs. The DOJ has put out a report on it also. There is a very good article from the gov regarding it, https://youth.gov/feature-article/gang-prevention-overview-research-and-programs One of the biggest problems that Chicago has is guns. The states around them have very lax laws that allow them to be readily available. Until that can be remedied, I don’t see what they can do. But the Government does give grants for social programs, that is one way for funding. I know you have examples but there are also examples where this has worked

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