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Three members of the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors are urging the governor to amend his executive order to allow part of Loudoun to reopen as soon as possible amid the COVID-19 pandemic.

Most of Virginia will begin to reopen its economy on Friday after two months of having social distancing restrictions in place to limit the spread of the coronavirus.

On Tuesday, Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam (D) accepted the request of local leaders in northern Virginia, including Loudoun County Chairwoman Phyllis Randall (D), to delay the first phase of his reopening plan in the region until at least May 29.

On Wednesday, three supervisors at odds with Randall's viewpoint sent a letter to Northam requesting he allow the westernmost districts in Loudoun to reopen.

“What our residents need most right now is to be allowed to restart their jobs and their small businesses,” wrote Loudoun County supervisors Caleb Kershner (R-Catoctin), Tony Buffington (R-Blue Ridge) and Kristen Umstattd (D-Leesburg).

The Leesburg, Catoctin and Blue Ridge districts are west of Route 15 and north of Goose Creek. The Catoctin and Blue Ridge Districts are largely rural, and the Leesburg District has a “high percentage of lower- and middle-income workers who have been without any income for two months and desperately need and want to go back to work,” the letter stated.

The districts encompass Loudoun’s seven incorporated towns: Hamilton, Hillsboro, Leesburg, Lovettsville, Middleburg, Purcellville and Round Hill.

Supervisors state that out of the county’s total of 1,283 coronavirus cases as of Wednesday, the selected area west of Route 15 and north of Goose Creek accounts for 378 (30%) cases.

Supervisors told the governor that the information he received from regional leaders "confusingly aggregated” Loudoun’s data with that of the other localities, including Fairfax, Prince William and Arlington counties and the City of Alexandria.

Supervisors also said that Loudoun is in a “stronger position” to handle the pandemic compared to the rest of northern Virginia. The letter goes on to state that Loudoun residents have been “diligently abiding” the quarantine rules and that the selected area has a more dispersed population.

As part of his “Forward Virginia” plan to reopen, Gov. Northam said he wanted to see two weeks of declining positive coronavirus cases and hospitalizations, enough hospital bed and intensive care capacity, the proper amount of personal protective equipment at health care facilities and testing capabilities ramped up.

He said on Wednesday that he was “comfortable” with reopening parts of the state on Friday, excluding northern Virginia until 11:59 p.m., May 28, unless rescinded.

“As we have said, robust testing is a critical piece of our plan to slowly ease restrictions in ‘Phase One,’” Northam said. “We are getting there and that is one reason why I feel comfortable in allowing ‘Phase One’ to begin this Friday for most of our commonwealth.”

The governor’s decision was backed by northern Virginia health directors, stating that based on their assessment of the governor’s metrics, the region “has not met the criteria for moving into ‘Phase 1’ at this time.”

State officials also said that northern Virginia is substantially higher than the rest of the commonwealth in percentage of positive tests for COVID-19. The region has about a 25% positivity rate, while the rest of the commonwealth is closer to 10%.

The three supervisors challenged the conclusion, as did state Del. Dave LaRock (R-33rd).

LaRock, who represents constituents in parts of western Loudoun, Clarke and Frederick counties, questioned Loudoun’s involvement in the regional letter. He said Loudoun has fewer deaths per capita than Virginia overall and the rest of the region. He also pointed to the incentive of “political power and money.”

LaRock said in his letter to the Times-Mirror, “Loudoun is doing far better than the rest of NOVA and Virginia. Message to Chair Randall, ‘Forget the politics and remember the people; reopen Loudoun without unnecessary delay.’”

Kershner, Umstattd and Buffington wrote they are also concerned with county projections that 25% of businesses in their districts may be lost due to the pandemic.

“Loudoun is in a strong position medically, and a dangerously fragile position economically,” the supervisors wrote. “Please let us start ‘Phase One’ now. It is time for us to start taking small, careful steps toward restarting our economy. We need to give our residents and local businesses a fighting chance to rescue their livelihoods.”

When the commonwealth opens, nonessential retail businesses and places of worship will be able to operate at 50% of their building’s occupancy rate — up from 10 people under the current rules. Restaurants and bars will only be allowed to serve customers in outdoor spaces, and employees at retail businesses and restaurants will have to wear masks.

Beauty parlors and barber shops will operate by appointment only and employees and customers at those places will also have to wear masks.

Following the governor’s order to delay northern Virginia reopening, state Sen. John Bell (D-13th) said he supported the decision. “Given the higher instances of COVID-19 coupled with the request of local officials, I believe delaying is the wise and safest choice,” he said.

Sen. Jennifer Boykso (D-33rd) added, “We've got to get this under control. And, even though we are 2.5 million residents in this region, we have 70% of the commonwealth’s cases. That’s astounding.”

Randall, who maintains Loudoun is not ready to reopen, said it was not lost on her how much small businesses are suffering.

After the announcement was made that northern Virginia was seeking a delay, Randall talked about making difficult decisions.

“These votes don't mean that if we vote one way you don’t care about businesses,” Randall said. “If you vote another way you don’t care about people's health. If you vote another way you don't care about the humanities. They don't mean any of that. They're all individual votes taken at times we're all struggling to do what is the right thing.”

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(131) comments

Good Guy

The three who voted to open the County represent the people. Remember the other five when election time comes around!!

amerigirl

3 out of 8 is not the majority, 5 out of 8 is those 3 my represent some of the people but they do not represent the majority. We will remember who thought it was just fine to endanger the people of Loudoun when election times comes.

VicMil

All of Virginia needs to open and the politics need to stop! Let's not forget why the stay-at-home order was put into play. It was so our hospitals would not be overrun and have beds/ventilators available. If you look at the VHHA website there is as of today 1505 hospitalized for covid and out of that only 1020 are positive the others are pending. Plenty of bed availability and ventilators are at 21%. Out of the 621 in use only 189 are being used for covid patients. Most of the deaths have been in senior facilities which is sad and they should be held accountable for not putting better procedures in place. As a whole Virginia needs to get back to work and get our economy back on track. This has turned into a power struggle between the parties and a control issue. It needs to stop! To the elected officials. We voted you in and we can also vote you out! Get Virginia Open!!!

amerigirl

I'll agree with the politics need to stop. The order was to, as they have said from the beginning of the outbreak, contain the virus. Most places that weren't large cities didn't even have a problem with hospital beds, and those that did set up auxiliary makeshift ones. The lock downs started before there was even talk of a shortage of beds. It was for containment. Fauci said he “did not rule out supporting a temporary national lockdown of the country's restaurants and bars in order to curb the spread of coronavirus, saying he'd like to see a "dramatic" reduction in activity in order to fight the disease Birx, said testing needs to get down to a “community by community” level to determine whether it’s safe to begin easing lock-downs and reopen businesses. Not to mention that the guidelines that trump put out aren’t even met. Then again you started your comment with taking the politics out and stuck it right back in with your last statement.

springerdad

When I saw 112 comments I knew Amerigirl would take up a big chunk of them.

amerigirl

You counted how many comments there are? What is wrong with you? It is a comment section ya know. So maybe next time you could make a productive comment about the article instead of the people posting, get a life.

springerdad

The number of total comments is shown in article. Your whole life is posting. Wear a mask and open up the county.

GoodOlLoudoun

When only those with symptoms are tested there will be a greater likelihood of positive cases. What should be reported is the percentage of unreported cases there are. The liberal Leesburg Mayor Burk and Councilmen Stienberg and Martinez could not bring themselves to sign a letter to the Governor from the rest of Council sent 2 weeks ago.

amerigirl

I agree that unreported cases should count by using antibody test but they aren't going to count those now. What is the the liberal BS? They are democrats.

Loudounest

What is the pain threshold of COVID related deaths so our fellow citizens can get a glass of overpriced wine or beer?

LoudounClear

That is the essence of the question...

ace10

Be honest. Do you REALLY think that the thousands upon thousands of Loudoun households which currently have no source of income are concerned about buying beer or wine rather than going back to work and supporting their families?

Loudounest

Honestly Yes, Nice words but such drama. Loudoun one of the wealthiest counties in the country doesn't have thousands and thousands of low paying Blue Collar citizens in Western Loudoun trying to feed their family. Ones that do are getting stimulus taxpayer money and unemployment to stay home as well as food handouts. McMansion owners feeling the pinch should have had a better financial plan in place. The downside of risk & reward.

ace10

Not drama. Just calling out your absurd comment and subsequent ivory tower defense. You should get out more. There are huge numbers of low income families in Leesburg, as well as the rest of western Loudoun. You're being lulled into thinking that the County's high average household income means that everyone earns six figures. Take a short drive around the less-traveled roads of Loudoun and you will see it. Just open your eyes.

Loudounest

Fact is the western Loudoun service sector employees people from Clarke & Fredrick counties as well as WVA because they don't or can't pay the Loudoun taxes to live here. The thousands and thousands who live on less traveled roads is not why Route 7 & Route 9 are filled with daily commuters. So open western Loudoun for those folks in surrounding counties & WVA? Or maybe just for over priced wine & beer.

ace10

You have a wildly-misinformed view of western Loudoun. But, by all means, please do continue to rail on overpriced beer and wine, it can be your own personal windmill. Tilt away!

Js6

Anyone who’s not ready for phase 1 is welcome to continue to stay home until they’re ready. That would be their choice. Currently, we have no choice. Those of us common sense are willing to mitigate risk in order to allow people to get back to work and feed their families without having to humiliate themselves to wait in line for handouts. It’s going to be months before there is a vaccine so we need to start the economic recovery asap. Stop imposing your fears onto everyone else.

amerigirl

That would be the county of Loudoun that is not ready. Common sense says you would follow the guidelines and wear a mask to contain the spread.Many of the people who said they should reopen have also said they won't do that. If you are collecting unemployment and you get a stimulus check and the $600, what is the dire need? Too bad you feel that charity in a time of crisis is humiliating. Did you realize that 70% of the new positive cases last weekend in Virginia were from NOVA? Ignoring the pandemic is stupid, there is a reason for fear, it's a pandemic and people are dying and others are spreading. Ignoring that fact is what will keep us from containing the spread. How long should we have to deal with it just because others feel they are to healthy to get it and want money. Stop imposing your callous and not thought trough wishes on everyone else.

More Cowbell

Randall should resign, along with other BOS that voted to stay shutdown. No, she doesn't back small businesses. Randall is clearly out of touch of Loudoun taxpayers, except for her friend Amerigirl. Next, both will be out burning the US flag.

ace10

I'm pleased to report that over 25% of the comments, as of 5:38PM, have been made by LTM's resident medical expert.

amerigirl

Please get life and stop using mine, basically who cares? stick to the topic. [offtopic][offtopic][offtopic][offtopic]

ace10

If you post HUNDREDS UPON HUNDREDS of nonsensical posts EACH AND EVERY DAY, you should expect to be called out on them. Sorry if you're not prepared to do so. Don't you have a serial groper to defend, or something?

amerigirl

Please call me out, tell me what it is you want to know.It's not my fault that you are ignorant on so many subjects and too lazy to fact check them. Take the coward way out and just claim it's not true. I'm prepared, and I don't call people out unless I can prove they are wrong.

More Cowbell

Funny how she likes to make up stuff like many of the people who said they should reopen have also said they won't do that. Shocked she's not touting at least traffic deaths are down thanks to Gov Northam lockdown.....

amerigirl

Cow, show me what you think is made up and I will give you the proof. Until then don't say things are made up that you haven't bother to check out.

More Cowbell

@amerigirl: Many of the people who said they should reopen have also said they won't do that, If you are locked down as you claim, There is no way you spoke to any of the people who said they should reopen. Lie. And other lies are those that you take from other media.

amerigirl

The people posting in these very articles said they wouldn't wear masks. hardworkingamerican “Idiots with masks” and also claims he used an infrared gas analyzer to prove you shouldn’t wear one.

, Scottva; “masks would do more harm than good”. “wear a mask, a stupid mask”. “No masks and no social distancing” “ a fricken mask”

Pete; Social distancing/lockdown/masks not flattening the curve.

And this isn’t the only media that has a comment section where people say they won’t wear a mask. My neighbor told me yesterday that there was no way he would. Yes you can talk across your yards too.

Cow, if you want to make up 'if' stories try it on someone else, you don't know me.

DrDoctor

SALUTE to Buffington, Kershner and Umstattd ! These three have the kneecaps to call for the opening of Loudoun County. The rest of the supervisors should resign immediately.

Someone with compromised health can stay home and quarantine. The rest of us should be free to move about the county. PERIOD.

Loudoun County had approximately 442 flu deaths in 2019. How many supervisors called for quarantine? NONE. Did our inept governor close the schools and businesses? NOPE.

Nothing was shut down last year, but we did get some CDC advise that sounds familiar:

The flu is a highly contagious illness, which is why the CDC urges everyone to take the following steps to protect themselves and others:

Take time to get a flu shot: While there are many different flu viruses, a flu vaccine protects against the viruses that research suggests will be most common. The CDC says it's not too late to get this year's vaccine.

Try to avoid close contact with sick people.

While sick, limit contact with others as much as possible to keep from infecting them.

If you are sick with flu symptoms, you should stay home for at least 24 hours after your fever is gone except to get medical care or for other necessities. (Your fever should be gone for 24 hours without the use of a fever-reducing medicine.)

Cover your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze. Throw the tissue in the trash after you use it.

Wash your hands often with soap and water. If soap and water are not available, use an alcohol-based hand rub.

Avoid touching your eyes, nose and mouth. Germs spread this way.

Clean and disinfect surfaces and objects that may be contaminated with germs such as the flu.

Take flu antiviral drugs if your doctor prescribes them.

amerigirl

You need to see a real doctor or at least read up on how the virus transmits. How would those with compromised health can stay home and quarantine and still get their blood drawn, have transfusions, get chemo or dialysis? Since you can be contagious for 2 weeks before symptoms if you are moving around freely could you be spreading it? Who is all that worried about the flu right now, it the virus that is a problem? Flu’s are seasonal and would have been gone by now, the virus is just ramping up in lots of places in the US. Also, with the flu you are not contagious until you are sick, not 14 days prior. It’s nice that you want to warn people about the flu when flu season is already over.

ace10

Contagious TWO WEEKS before symptoms present??? THIS IS FLAT OUT INCORRECT. You are spreading fear through your lies. STOP IT. It's normally kind of funny when you post nonsense, but this isn't amusing. Not in the least.

Loudoun Observer

Facts and reality never get in the way of raw blind emotional irrationality.

amerigirl

You really didn’t know that? It is common knowledge. In fact there are 2 studies that show that you are most contagious for the last 2 days before you show symptoms. You can be asymptomatic, never show signs and be spreading it. William Hanage, PhD, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health said “Infected people with no symptoms are likely to be just as contagious as those with symptoms, such as a dry cough, fever, and aches, according to very early research” New England Journal of Medicine Evidence from a nursing home also supports the idea that people are contagious before they get symptoms or even if they never develop obvious symptoms. MIT medical; Yes, evidence indicates that people who are infected with 2019-nCoV may become contagious before symptoms are noticeable. In addition, it is now estimated that up to 25 percent of infected individuals remain asymptomatic and may unwittingly infect others.

Not only that but people who think they are over it and no longer have symptoms are testing positive, which is why many hospitals require 2 negative tests before people are allowed to return to work.

amerigirl

Oh yeah stop saying I am causing fear and spreading lies when you don't bother to find out if what I am saying is true. Don't tell me to stop it because you are being lazy, I can back up what I say, lets see you back with any data your attack on me.

ace10

You said TWO WEEKS BEFORE SYMPTOMS. Your words, not mine. Now you're talking about asymptomatic people. And then you back that up by quoting a study which talks about TWO DAYS? Like I said. Stop lying. You're spreading fear. If you're somehow getting pleasure from doing this, why not keep it to yourself?

amerigirl

Read the whole post not just parts before you start your caps screaming. Yes you can be contagious for p to 14 days but you are the most contagious in the 2 days before you show symptoms. It is not nonsense it is you reading comprehension.

ace10

You insist on posting comments which support my POV and refute yours. If the subject weren't so serious, this would be truly comical. Maybe you need a break from the keyboard. It seems like you can't follow even the simplest of concepts.

Ald-Nova

This is a real virus, it is dangerous. No one says fake tornado, or exagerated earthquake. The effects are bad on the economy, but it is not the only reason the economy is suffering. Aid during a tornado is given to the people affected and the small businesses, not bailouts of irresponsible corporations. Stop being used like a tool. Your anger is being misdirected and you do not see who is really responsible for your misery. Please wake up.

ace10

You mentioned "Russian psy ops" in another comment. This one of yours reads like something from a (really) bad Bernie Sanders speech. Oh, the irony.

Virginia SGP

Are you out of your mind? Do you know how many earthquakes occur each year in the US alone? Thousands!!!!!! Nobody shelters in place for a minor earthquake. Or for a twister that never touches down. But continue your talking points that you don't even understand. I'm glad you were leading the charge for destroying our economy during the swine flu of 2009 that infected an estimated 1/3 of the world population with 10Ks of deaths.

As for your stimulus package comments, are you a teacher? That ignorance seems familiar. Low-paid workers receive MORE in unemployment benefits than they would if working. Repeat, low-wage workers are better off. Teachers are getting full pay despite not teaching. Same with many gov't bureaucrats. Businesses are being forced to shut down against their will but are not getting as much in handouts. Business owners work much harder than you ever dreamed of and took a risk. What have you ever done? Beg for more handouts?

More Cowbell

It's over hyped by disgraced media according to intel reports. There are still many people dying, just not wrote about. The gov could/should have locked down everything for 2 weeks 6 weeks ago. We really didn't need a vape store, clothing store, daycare, restaurants, construction, liquor store and many others to be open. Food, drugs could have been ordered online or by phone either picked up or delivered. Loudoun BOS have been AWOL, allowing same to go on doesn't change 5 weeks ago, today or next month. More testing only gives you stats, doesn't make the virus go away. Maybe Gov Northam should close down all the borders into VA....Why aren't people coming into VA not tested? A lot of false information put out by media due to their agenda. And why were surgeries allowed to go forward? Why didn't BOS put a stop to those?

amerigirl

What intel reports? Most of what you are saying about the lock down I agree with. Even though I don't vape or drink I think there are people who are addicts and that is not the way to make them go cold turkey. Have you ever ordered meat on line? If you haven't, don't. You get the worse cuts that they would never put out and be able to sell. Some drugs you can't order online and have to be signed for. Some pharmacies are even doing that for inhalers now. I don't know if it is because they are used for Covid or not. That would only leave a very few that would need to go in for treatments that aren't available outside of a hospital or clinic. The BOS really doesn't have much to do with the lock down, it's not their control. Test kits weren't given to Virginia, or Maryland or many of the blue states. If they had been ready on time it could have saved the country from this problem. They still don't have many in VA. Loudoun did stop elective surgeries, only emergency surgery are done. That was part of the executive order so Loudoun didn't have a choice.

VicMil

Time to open into Phase 1! I agree western loudoun should open and it should include Ashburn. The VDH website shows a breakdown by zipcode. We are in a great position to open along with the rest of western loudoun.

David Hazard

How is western Loudoun "better equipped" to handle COVID? - The Federal government is seizing shipments of PPEs intended for use here. And we still don't have enough tests... and no vaccine? Yes, the economics of this is daunting, but - again - please tell me HOW we are better equipped. Because I don't see it, and I don't hear our three supervisors laying out a clear strategy.

Virginia SGP

Let's break this down. This virus has been WAY overblown. When nobody really knew the mortality rate (if it's 10%, that's very serious), they were cautious and shut everything down. Now that the mortality rate is 0.1% - 0.5%, there is no need to destroy everything. We can let the vulnerable protect themselves like everything else that poses a risk to their health. You cannot even set a threshold for when the economy gets destroyed, can you? Should it have been destroyed in 2009 for the swine flu? For the seasonal flu? What criteria justifies destroying the economy, the future careers of our younger generations, the education of our kids, and the overwhelming debt that we are throwing on them?

amerigirl

SGP, let me guess, nobody you know has had it or lost a life to it so now it is overblown. It isn’t just the mortality rate that counts. There are people who have had to be vented for over a month, others who’s health has been compromised for life or for years to come. The flu is seasonal and goes away, just like the swine flu did, a virus is not a flu.

Do you want to stick kids in buildings where all the rooms share the same heat/AC? That didn’t worked well in cities with apartment buildings or in nursing homes.

SkoaldudeVA

Influenza (the "flu") is a virus. Google it.

ace10

This might just qualify as your dumbest medical "expert" comment to date. Not joking. Influenza IS A VIRUS.

amerigirl

SkoaldudeVA , so right I should have said it is not he same strain as the influenza which is seasonal. Thanks for picking that without having to make some remark on me as a person.

ace10

Why not apologize to the LTM readers for REPEATEDLY posting lies and misinformation about this crucial health issue? If you don't have any real understanding or actual knowledge on a topic, why not simply refrain from commenting? This pattern is disturbing.

Countyrez

Virginia is padding case numbers by their own admission regarding positive cases, Loudoun's is padded as well by default. Positive cases "are counted as separate cases only if the tests occur on different days. If a Virginia resident is tested Monday and Tuesday and both are positive, that's two positives." That is directly from Virginia Covid 19 Joint Information Command spokesman. Open the state and put an end to falsified data used to manipulate public opinion and stoke fear. Call and email your rep and let them know. Silence is compliance.

amerigirl

Who gets tested 2 days in a row except maybe first responders? They can have multiple negative tests but they need to be tested to protect others. If anything it would show more negative test not positive.

loudouncommonsense

Stop hemming and hawing! Obamagate is more important than ANYTHING! Turns out Obama laid out an extensive plan to combat a biologic threat/pandemic. Trump disregarded it! OBAMAGATE= Obama Generated a Total Effort

Loudoun4Trump

Meanwhile MD is open - GOP governor....and MD had more cases than VA....Fauci says dont where a mask in Jan. - now he says we must wear a mask; Fauci said it was ok to have sex, but chaking hands may never happen again; Fauci said this is no big deal in Jan. and now says we need to shut down schools in the fall....they started off at 2.2 million killed in US, now looks like just a normal flu year.....why would anyone believe these fake scientists -- seems like Fauci is making it up as he goes along....

LoudounClear

Yeah, people are trying to blame Trump and the months of inaction when we knew this was coming and did nothing about it...but you figured it out. It's Fauci. Fake News. Drink Bleach...

amerigirl

Love it. what about injecting sanitizer? They are always looking for someone to blame and never admitting that the Führer made mistakes.

amerigirl

No, Maryland is doing the same thing as Virginia, the counties near DC are not opening. How many confirmed cases were there in January? There were only 12 cases by Feb. 19th. He said no such thing about having sex, even recommended virtually doing it. He even said it you want to chance it that was your risk. In that interview he did say that you need to concerned and listen to the CDC, recommendations. Fauci is making it up as we go along because the guidelines were not followed. Are you just following the trump lead on making the doctors and scientists the bad guys?

ace10

The portions of Loudoun which are being discussed ARE CERTAINLY NOT "near DC." Frederick County MD is closer to DC most of western Loudoun, and they're beginning to re-open. Have you ever stepped foot west of Route 15? Good grief.

amerigirl

Ace, very funny, you don’t even know which counties consider themselves part of the Metro area. Frederick county thinks they are part of the metro. You are wrong again; they are doing a slower opening than the other counties that will reopen. Frederick County issued an executive order to implement a slower phase of the governor’s plan, meaning the stay-at-home order remains in effect with exceptions

LoudounClear

Der GropenFührer

ace10

FREDERICK IS OPENING. Loudoun is NOT. This is a really, REALLY simple concept. You're posting what I said, but somehow you think it means something different.

loudouncommonsense

-So, go shake hands with your significant other.

-82000 dead is not "a normal flu year"

-estimates change based on many factors

You really seem unable to argue your points with factual data and rationality.

amerigirl

I only wish I could shake hands with him. He is considered essential and I'm high risk and we have had to social distance in the house for months. OMG it is old.

ace10

If not for the availability of a seasonal influenza vaccine, 82000 dead would be a fraction of the typical annual loss of life. That's a fact.

amerigirl

Ace, key word seasonal. It will go away on it's own.

ace10

Heaven help us. Yes, there are typically highly-effective seasonal influenza vaccines. Not every year, but most. This obviously reduces the number of deaths by untold numbers. Further, you nor anyone else knows what CV19 will do over time. I really don't get your incredible need to argue points that have but one correct side. You restated my post. Thank you for helping to make my point.

MitchT

Amerigirl: Simpleton response pual. Didn't your mama teach you that if you got nothing nice to say to keep your mouth shut. It;s suppose to be comments on the article not personal attacks on people.

Also Amerigirl: Love it. what about injecting sanitizer? They are always looking for someone to blame and never admitting that the Führer made mistakes.

Most of this dialogue is pretty sad and does nothing to help solve anything. But that kind of hypocrisy takes the cake.

amerigirl

Mitch, didn’t you read the post below it? Do you understand that his comment was nothing more than a personal attack on another person who commented? Like I said, It’s supposed to be comments on the article not personal attacks on people .All he did was attack the person commenting and yes, he should have been raised to know better. An attack on any political person is not a personal attack on someone posting here. But then again look at the comment you just made, that is a personal attack on me, speaking of hypocrisy. How did that solve anything?

pual mase

The goal of the lockdown to flatten the curve has been acheived. The mortality rate for f the virus is proving to be much less than early predictions.

The idea that we could eliminate risk of infection was and is unreasonable, yet our county and state leaders persist killing jobs and businesses.

Looks like there are a few voices of reason on the board.

Oldbroad

If the curve had been achieved cases would be going down, not up! Percentages are irrelevant. Actual numbers are what count. You wanna go out and party and mingle, knock your socks off, just stay 10 feet from me!

amerigirl

No they have actually changed the predictions. They have raised the mortality rate with the states opening early. The idea is to make the risk manageable to contain the virus. Yet you persist in wanting to have jobs a priority over human lives. It isn't just those dying. Younger people are having strokes and other neurological issues, children are getting effects similar to Kawasaki disease, there is a high risk of blood clotting that can cause heart attacks,and damage done to kidneys. The smaller things go away like losing sense of smell and taste, pink eye, and "Covid toes".

LIfetimeLoudouner

first of all Republicans don't want people to die of Corona and Democrats don't want to totally kill business. So stop the political crap. Kirshner Umpstad and Buffington do make a good point, to treat part of the county differently then the rest of the county. This is nothing new, we have always treated western Loudoun and eastern Loudoun differently. Loudoun's numbers are not like the rest of NOVA we are different so treating us like Fairfax is not correct. What will everyone in Ashburn all of a sudden go to Purcellville to shop - I don't think so. But it will help keep more businesses from failing and people from loosing their jobs. The virus is bad but so is poverty and homelessness.

amerigirl

Totally agree! I just wish people wouldn't think there was some kind of stigma to wearing a mask, with less spread we could open earlier.

Hillsboro Resident

The reason for the shutdown in the first place was to avoid overwhelming our hospitals and medical supply capabilities and to "flatten the curve" - not to necessarily eradicate the virus which was recognized would be with us for awhile. All of this has been realized and the virus is far less deadly than feared. The vulnerable need to be protected, either by mandate (distancing in nursing homes for example) or voluntarily - if you're vulnerable you need to stay home for a longer time. The less vulnerable, generally those under 50 with no preexisting conditions, should be allowed to go back to work and a life as normal as is safe. People will continue to get the virus - strict distancing has slowed but not stopped it - but most of the people will weather it with few or no symptoms.

amerigirl

Why do people keep saying that? The reason for the shutdown was to stop the spread. Areas made extra arrangements to have extra hospital and medical coverage if it was needed. The thing that so many don't understand is that if 1 person gets it how far that can spread. When my husband and co-workers got sick they were told to quarantine for 14 days and for most of them they were very very sick but the only person who got a test became sick enough to be hospitalized. There were more 20 cases associated with the 1 positive case after it went through them and their families. None of them were listed as confirmed cases because there were not enough tests.

HappyInHamilton

Here's the Loudoun Numbers (aka facts) - age group, cases, hospitalizations, deaths.

No one has died under age 50.

91% of deaths are over age 70 and most of these occurred in a Sterling nursing home. Let's keep the elderly safe and let everyone else in Western Loudoun safely open.

5/14/2020 Loudoun 20-29 195 2 0

5/14/2020 Loudoun 80+ 111 33 33 (75%)

5/14/2020 Loudoun 0-9 36 1 0

5/14/2020 Loudoun 70-79 72 27 7 (16%)

5/14/2020 Loudoun 50-59 253 21 1 (2.2%)

5/14/2020 Loudoun Missing 1 0 0

5/14/2020 Loudoun 19-Oct 56 0 0

5/14/2020 Loudoun 60-69 116 21 3 (6.8%)

5/14/2020 Loudoun 30-39 203 11 0

amerigirl

SO? It is acceptable to let older people die? You are still not safe. Younger people get it, they will probably survive but can have lasting effects to their brains, hearts, kidneys and lungs. Then there are the kids that get the effects of kawasaki disease which can damage major organs and kill them. Is it really only death that matters?

tolerantleft

As a self proclaimed retiree, sit home. Believe or not, I don’t want you or any seniors to “die”. It’s a risk assessment. BTW, our liberty was taken away to allow the system to be prepared. Mission accomplished. Time to open up. And Lord Randall took it on her own volition to keep Loudoun closed without public debate. She’s the real Fuhrer.

Virginia SGP

Randall is a traitor. She is antithetical to everything that is American.

RandomName2019

"She’s the real Fuhrer." Wow. You're comparing an elected official, who took a board vote (that she was elected to do) with Hitler because you disagree with her vote? That's taking hyperbole to the extreme. If she was truly like Hitler she'd be rounding up people up and exposing them to COVID-19. What happened to just disagreeing with a position?

Countyrez

Randall and Northam argued "one size does not fit all", and now they are called out with a reasonable request, using their very argument for keeping Loudoun closed against them. The irony is palpable, meanwhile the lemmings line up behind Northam and Randall.

RandomName2019

I doubt that they believe that one plan fits all for Loudoun, but how do you communicate and manage varying levels of open/close/distancing when you don't have easily identifiable borders for people to use? I honestly believe that everyone is trying to do what they think is best. Disagreeing with a position doesn't mean that the other party is ignorant or that their intent is malicious. Partial County openings would probably sow confusion and reduce the ability to enforce anything.

CindyLou

Our best 3 stooges....oh I mean supervisors.....Larry, Moe And Curly at it again.

CindyLou

This is all a reasonable, decent human needs to know about that nasty Democratic Covid19 virus "May 14 Update: Six new deaths, 56 new coronavirus cases reported in Loudoun County " 30+ a day. Shut er down!!!!

springerdad

CL - You really are becoming unhinged. Please seek out someone to talk to.

Here is a breakdown of the people dying. These are not people out in the general public, They are in nursing homes and senior living facilities.

The age breakdown of the deceased is as follows: 33 have been 80 years old or older, seven have been between the ages of 70 and 79, three have been between the ages of 60 and 69, and one between 50 and 59.

amerigirl

Where is the breakdown of sick people? Or the count of those who may never fully recover?

MitchT

Sadly, CindyLou, your statement that the only reasonable or decent position is to stop COVID deaths no matter the cost is neither reasonable nor decent. What if the shutdown costs more lives than it saves? What if there was a middle ground that reduced COVID impact and lessened the economic destruction that is also taking lives? Should we not be seeking answers on the cost of the lockdown?

amerigirl

Disagree.

amerigirl

Simpleton response pual. Didn't your mama teach you that if you got nothing nice to say to keep your mouth shut. It;s suppose to be comments on the article not personal attacks on people.

pual mase

Simpleton reasoning CL

LoudounClear

Let me clarify the false choice: Shelter in place vs Open things up. That's obscures the real question: How do we open up and how to we minimize further viral infection while we do it. There's a bit more nuance to that question than just saying it's a Democratic or Republican disease...

gtrunner

Let it burn. They won’t hold trump accountable when he wanted to open it months before all of the businesses closed for good.

Oldbroad

The ONLY right thing he's done is close the country. But that should have been done way before the virus. Lady Liberty has taken way more than her fair share. We are not here to support the world. Other countries have limits but because it always turns to politics we buckle under and strain our economy, welfare system, and many other systems. He can't remember what he's said from one minute to the next. I don't care if he's red or blue, he's an embarrassment, delusional, narcissistic and an ass!

LightningBuggs

This is exactly what the governor said he wanted to avoid when he initially stated he wanted to open the entire state and not parts of it because it would cause more problems.

Did he forget that?

This placing one kid in timeout while their big brother gets to play outside is going to do nothing but cause resentment and anger.

hardworkingamerican

Well "Coonman" and Randall and like others said here the Democraps are now in full socialist, screw America mode. Time to revolt. Just like in CA with Elan Musk, who said shove it and opened up, then of course CA caved in. F these people. Open your business and most importantly do not fall for the Fauci lies and scares and of course his support for China. Only one person can take this corruption and eliminate it, only one person can make it so that we are never are subjected to our Bill of Rights and God given right being taken away. That person is you/us. Time to wake up America and realize Democraps want you dead in the womb and if you make it out of the womb they want you to be servants. Enough is enough. VOTE THEM ALL OUT! We must dump all of these communists. A revolution has started and now that you know who the real enemy is, not a virus, you can take action. Open back up. Lives are being lost to the insanity of Democraps. We The People, have a right to our way of live. Enough is enough.

Science Can Save Us

Tell me, hardworkingamerican, when you type "coonman" do you get the same pleasure you used to get when you used the N-word without even thinking about it?

amerigirl

Racist, and never fact checks.

VicMil

Yes, please do check facts! You are ranting and raving and you have said nothing of substance! Take the time to read the facts. Look at the VDH website with the breakdown of cases by locality including zip codes. It includes data by age, locality, and hospitalizations. It also includes a link to the Virginia Hospital website which shows how many people are hospitalized, condition, with bed and ventilator availability. You will also see some of the numbers don't match because the cases are skewed. If you get 6 positive tests you are counted 6 times in the "positive" figures. That is fact!

amerigirl

Vic, I have looked at them, I have also looked at how it progresses. That doesn’t change the fact that people live here and work in other counties and that people live in other counties and con=me to work here. In my family of 4 not a one of us worked in Loudoun. Zipcodes are for amil. Maybe you should look at the zipcode your mail is coming from. So all those first responders, hospital workers, fire and EMT, that are tested all the time and come out negative don’t skew the results?

amerigirl

Vic also who would get tested 6 times? You do realize that you need to have a doctors approval to have a test done right? Please give me an example of anyone that would get that many tests other that a front line worker,

tolerantleft

It’s ridiculous that we have to beg the racist King Northam. See how easy it is to lose our freedoms with Dems in charge.

mopar19

Why would loudoun change it’s path now. We have to pay all of our employees like they do in those other counties. So might as well be lumped in with them here too. If we open we will lose all the good talent to those jurisdictions

Wahoowah

I say no. Opening up Western Loudoun just means people carrying the virus will just bring it there. Kushner is an idiot. Western Loudoun is sparsely populated? It ain’t Highland or Bath County honey.

Loudoun4Trump

The election year virus is a sad commentary on leftists in charge of the government....these under achievers really think they are smart for some strange reason....maybe if you grovel and ask very nicely King Ralph will grant you permission to open your businesses and make a living....At least it is keeping creppy Biden in his basement like all other lefties still living at home under mommys roof....

Duncan Idaho

Biden can stay in his basement until election day, playing Trump's words back as campaign ads, and he'd win by a landslide. Trump know his numbers stink, which explains the recent lashing out at just about everything.

amerigirl

I hope you can swim and don't drown in the blue wave. Why do you have to be nasty when you make your comments? What is creppy? Is that a skin condition? The pandemic is only political for republicans, and not even the majority of them.

VicMil

Again, check your facts! A hockey player was tested and had 6 positive tests!

amerigirl

Vic, he tested positive twice, not 6 times, and then the team was tested and there were more positives. That is far from what the general public would get. Try again.

LoudounClear

Pandering to the Wineries. Let's attract all of Eastern Loudoun out here...great idea. This has nothing to do with politics. It is about biology.

DBC

Are you suggesting someone that tests positive will decide its a good idea to go to a winery? If you are suggesting that there are people who have the virus and don't know it, what are your thoughts when these asymptomatic people go to Harris Teeter, or Giant, or Target, or Walmart, or the vet, or Walmart, or the Liquor store in Ashburn/Sterling?

amerigirl

How about knowing if you could even test positive because there are still not enough test that just anyone can get one. If you are a mildly to moderately sick the CDC recommend that you quarantine for 14 days if you are severely sick then you can go to the hospital or have your doctor give approval for testing.Yes there are people who don't know they have it you can be contagious for weeks before symptoms show and there are symptomatic carriers. They need to start wearing masks. It won't protect them from getting it but the will stop them from spreading it.

amerigirl

Wine tasting through a mask should be interesting.

natsfan1972

One of those board members (Kershner) thinks that the earth is 7,000 years old so should we really be taking public health advice from him?

LoudounClear

He learned that at home school

pual mase

He’s clearly a smart guy than you two

MitchT

Anyone truly concerned about "science" and "data" would be demanding data for the cost of the lockdown. If you use data for the cost of the problem but just have wishful thinking for the solution, you are not relying on science, data, or experts. You have no idea if you are making the problem better or worse. We have models for everything--weather, illnesses, stock market, economy, consumer behavior, you name it. Why aren't all these supposedly science-minded people demanding a model for the lockdown?

As for the remark about Mr. Kershner's beliefs about the age of the earth, the remark comes across as very snide and ignorant of the fact that "science" cannot prove history, no matter what the current approved view is. Science is repeatable and observable, and you could only determine from science the age of the earth (or any historical event) if you knew with absolute certainty all the conditions at the time of the event, and could recreate those conditions exactly. "Science" keeps changing its mind on the age of the earth. People can make snide remarks about home schooling all they want, but the fact that so many people don't even understand the foundational principles of science shows the state of education in the world today. The age of the earth is another debate, certainly happy to have but off-topic here. If science is your concern, how about demanding that evaluation of the solution be held to the same standard as evaluation of the problem? Wouldn't that be more helpful than taking potshots at people?

ace10

The (D)'s-in-charge response: Let them eat cake!

gtrunner

I love the cat and mouse game being and played. In the event of a partial Loudoun reopening, those border closed businesses will reap a windfall while the ones miles away will be waiting to collapse.

wroeg

90% of the cases are East of Rte 15, why not let W Loudoun open with the proper Phase 1 restrictions...outdoor dining.

MitchT

gtrunner, What's the difference between that and having the line moved west a few miles? Either way some are open, and some not. Why not have save a few more businesses where the human cost of the lockdown is greater than the danger from the virus?

Science Can Save Us

After doing nothing to improve broadband access in Western Loudoun for years and years, now the BOS uses that as an excuse to have people in the East (including the higher likelihood of viral infection) come to hang in Western Loudoun. Not a smart move but one I'd expect a politician to make: put the monkey on the Governor's back. If this happens and infections skyrocket, we will certainly know who to blame.

Waterfordresident

Keep hiding in your home and never come back out. This has nothing to do about the virus. This is now all politics. Democrats want our economy to collapse. That’s a fact. So stay in your home like a hermit crab and never go back out. Smh

DWolf

That is a patent lie. No one wants the economy to collapse. But I don't expect you to believe that because it contradicts your world view.

CindyLou

Ok Typhoid Mary, we will. Go spread your virus like a selfish Republican.

amerigirl

gtrunner if only tinfoil hat also stops the spread of the conspiracy theories ut out there by the republicans. The virus is not a political ploy. The dems are gong through the same thing as you are.

gtrunner

Stay in your house. Remember the tinfoil hat also stops the spread.

DBC

Agree totally! Tinfoil hat works on most things, especially reading news.

pual mase

I guess throwing more people out of jobs and destroying businesses means nothing to you.

You’ve been duped by spineless politicians and media that have scared you silly.

Oldbroad

The problem with partial opening is that people will abuse it. They are abusing it blatantly with a lockdown! Look at Home Depot, Walmart...you can't cure STUPID. If people would be responsible and adhere to just a few small inconveniences maybe we could take some baby steps. You give 50 to a church...they'll take a 100, etc. etc. Can we PLEASE take the red and the blue out of this! Holy crap people! Do you REALLY think Dems want us to die and Repub don't or vice versa? That rationale or statements just blow me away! I would hope that we as a society are better than that! I'm no fan of Randall but I think she and the others made a very difficult call based on info on hand. And anyone with an IQ over 80 knows you can find figures and "facts" ( I use that term loosely!) to support any platform or argument you wish to pose. I truly hope and believe that all these people are trying their best in a situation no one has ever been in before. In a way, everyone is "winging" it to the best of their ability. If we allow 6 feet and 10 people it becomes 3 feet and 20 people, tgen 2 feet and 30 people as the wine flows and arguments begin and everyone expresses their opinions on hiw to handle this nightmare. I'm not an alarmist but this s%#& scares me! I have a new granddaughter in CO and wonder when I'm going to hold her! My kid won't let me drive because he worries about the Old Broad on a cross country trip. The guy from NBC got it on a flight! (Why he was on a plane just 2 weeks ago without a mask is beyond me. Probably because he wanted to be home with his family! He rolled the dice and is in the hospital!) I really think if we bite the bullet really hard this first go round we may be stronger and better prepared for the next one. Which by the way will affect you no matter if you're red or blue! The virus is apolitical, but I bet that p.o.s most of you! Culling the herd, eh guys?

amerigirl

Pual, jobs jobs jobs, how about people people people.

pual mase

Last time I checked AG people create jobs, hold jobs and need jobs for food , shelter and survival. Save your stupid comments for someone who cares what you say.

amerigirl

Pual, yes people do need jobs for those things mentioned in normal times. This is a declared emergency and the govt steps in to help provide for those exact things. There is unemployment, an extra $600, stimulus funding, loans for small businesses. Is any of that not true or stupid of me to say? Please just hold a normal conversation instead of making yourself look foolish by making remarks about other peoples remarks being stupid.

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