Roger Zurn

Roger Zurn

Loudoun County Treasurer Roger Zurn (R) on Wednesday published and quickly deleted a racially insensitive social media post following word that the Aunt Jemima brand will be discontinued.

Zurn, who is white and has served as county treasurer since 1996, posted on his personal Facebook page Wednesday morning: “Wondering if Aunt Jemima will change to Uncle Tom’s?”

The post, a screengrab of which was sent to the Times-Mirror, was deleted minutes after it went live.

"It was an error in judgement," Zurn told the Times-Mirror.

One user in Zurn's network asked, "What were you thinking here?" Another followed up, "I was here wondering that too."

Zurn's post follows Quaker Oats’ announcement Wednesday that Aunt Jemima’s maple syrup and pancake mix will get a new name and image. The image of the “mammy” kerchief was branded on Quaker Oats products for years, and it has been seen as a racist stereotype dating back to slavery.

“Uncle Tom,” meanwhile, is an offensive nickname for someone who desires to serve others aware of the servant's lower status, otherwise known as a “house negro." The stereotype was often used in minstrel shows that depicted black people as lazy, clownish and dumb.

“We advise Mr. Zurn and other elected officials that not everything needs a hot take or clever comment from them,” Amanda Tandy, first vice president of the Loudoun NAACP, said. “ ... listening to communities directly impacted by systemic racism, who we would remind them are also their constituents, would serve them better.”

“We look forward to Mr. Zurn joining our [NAACP] meeting in July,” Tandy said.

Zurn’s Facebook post follows weeks of unrest across America. Advocates and everyday Americans are calling for racial equality and reform after George Floyd, a black man, was killed by a Minneapolis police officer last month. The incident, which involved the white officer kneeling on Floyd's neck for more than eight minutes, has sparked nationwide protests and renewed loud concerns over police brutality.

Zurn Facebook comment on Aunt Jemima announcement

Loudoun County Treasurer Roger Zurn (R) posted the following question on social media following Quaker Oats' announcement to rename and change the image used on its Aunt Jemima maple syrup and pancake mix.

Loudoun County has responded with more than a handful of protests focused on police reform, improvements in education and the criminal justice system and addressing black oppression, systemic racism and racial insensitivity.

Loudoun is also facing the decision of removing the Confederate statue in Leesburg. Loudoun, like many other Virginia localities, will have the ability to remove, relocate or contextualize the monuments in their communities beginning July 1.

Within the last 30 days, Loudoun citizens have spoken out against racial insensitivity, including against a School Board member who stated, “It was worse for African Americans after reconstruction because they did not have the patronage of the master.”

Loudoun has also responded to a business owner for hanging a T-shirt stating “Drunk Wives Matter,” which plays on the “Black Lives Matter” movement.

On Friday, the nation will celebrate Juneteenth, or the “Black Fourth of July,” which commemorates the end of slavery in the U.S. A march supported by the Loudoun NAACP is scheduled for Sunday in Sterling at 3 p.m. It is focused on criminal justice and policing reform.

Loudoun County will observe Juneteenth, but the county courthouse will be open.

On Tuesday, Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam (D) declared June 19 a holiday, prompting the change in Loudoun County’s holiday schedule. Employees who staff essential 24-hour county operations and other essential services will work as scheduled.

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Update: The Loudoun County Democratic Committee condemned Zurn's Facebook post in a statement Wednesday night. The statement, in part, reads:

“This is not the first time Mr. Zurn has posted racially discriminatory comments on Facebook. On March 27, Mr. Zurn posted 'China has released the names of the first two people to contract Coronavirus. Sum Ting Wong, Ho Lee Fuk.'

“It is fundamental for constituents to hold their elected officials accountable for explicitly racist actions. It is especially unbecoming of an elected official who is supposed to lead with the best interest of all of his or her constituents in mind. Uncle Tom is universally understood as a derogatory term for men of color, and it is unbecoming of any person to use this term. The names used in his March 27 Facebook post not only mocks the Mandarin language and dialect, but Chinese culture as well. Mr. Zurn’s posts personally offended tens of thousands of his constituents and have erased any integrity that may have been associated with his position.

“As constituents of Loudoun County, we demand that there is an adequate response either from the Loudoun County government or Mr. Zurn himself. Without doubt, many constituents have lost confidence in Mr. Zurn’s ability to execute the duties of his office without prejudice. Moreover, the party which Mr. Zurn affiliates and ran his campaign in coordination with, has yet to condemn or censure Mr. Zurn.”

(318) comments

Skyprince

I read every one of these comments and came away shocked that so many were tying Northam's college idiocy to Zurn. Northam did something very wrong with his black face skit, but he was a college kid...Zurn is an adult...no comparison, but that is the GOP way...you know? They say one million ticket requests for Tulsa speech and 6200 show up...Parscale claimed earlier in the week that the speech would be epic...and I guess it was!!! Epic in that no one cared except for some foolish people who looked silly in their MAGA hats and shirts idolizing a sick sick narcissistic fool.

ace10

A 24 or 25 year old man is an adult. The very next year he was medical resident.

But nice try. Not really.

amerigirl

Again, 2 investigations and no proof, Zurn has had a lifetime to learn right from wrong.

ace10

The PROOF IS HIS OWN ADMISSION.

amerigirl

Ace, Northam maintained in two separate interviews with investigators from Richmond, Va., law firm McGuireWoods that he was not in either racially offensive costume. Richard Cullen, a lawyer at McGuireWoods and Virginia's attorney general in 1997 and 1998, led the inquiry.“We could not conclusively determine the identity of either individual depicted in the photograph,” the report states. “No individual the we interviewed has told us from personal knowledge that the governor is in the photograph.”Northam’s former roommate at the Virginia Military Institute vouched for him, telling officials involved in the inquiry that he did not believe Northam was either individual, according to the report. If I remember correctly he said that if the yearbook people put it in than it must be him even though he didn't remember such a picture and apologized. He took the apology back. You are just being a hypocrite.

pvilleresident

No proof????? He admitted to it then retracted the admission and the pants of the individual in blackface are the same he is wearing in another photo.

amerigirl

pvilleresident, it's not the same pair of pants, they even had a name for that it was called the "plaid pants" theory, and was laughed out of circulation by all the fact checkers and newspapers. Why do all you republicans try to make everything about something else, diversion, diversion! Shame on you.

pvilleresident

Don't point fingers at the GOP, Democrats are just as guilty. Not race related but Kavanaugh was a high school kid during the alleged lies that were spewed about him. You all jumped on that or do we forget so quickly??

amerigirl

A judge??? really a judge should have a clear background. He is not an elected official. Diversion diversion.

Skyprince

Time for this clown to go...like the Clown In Chief Trump!! What a FLOP tonight in Tulsa...it was hilarious to see the empty seats. One of his campaign manager said the other day that the crowds in Tulsa would be EPIC....Haha...I did not think he meant FLOP EPIC! And to blame it on the protesters is so typical TRUMP. He actually tried to cover the fact that he almost fell down the ramp at West Point...he won't let it go. The GOP has become not the party of Lincoln, but the party of fools and embarrassing goons, like Zurn!!

longhouse7

I love how young black resistance and resiliency is forcing all these closet and covert racists to expose themselves. There are many more to be exposed and cancelled.

longhouse7

The comments here, nothing I didn’t expect. The realism of racism and the broken system scares a lot of people because it undermines their privileges. They don’t want racism to be seen and highlighted for what it is, because they’re the benefactors of a racist, colonizer system.

longhouse7

I love how young black resistance and resiliency is forcing all these closet and covert racists to expose themselves. There are many more to be exposed and cancelled. Let’s start with Roger Zurn.

ace10

Why did LTM edit this comment to remove the claim that the subject of this article is "...a racist white supremacist.?"

I suggest either publishing comments, exactly as written, or not publishing them at all.

Isn't it sufficient that LTM fails miserably to report the news from an unbiased perspective? Now they're going to editorialize user comments, as well?

amerigirl

They always have but also said they did it, There was no "comment edited", I don't get it.

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Voltaire

HWA--No, just because you have a (D)(R) or (I) next to your name, you cannot make insensitive statements and act inappropriately in public office. For the umpteenth time, you cannot blast Governor Northam for the "Blackface" (and "Coonman") incidents because those events happened when he was a private citizen (medical school student). He did NOT do these as Governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia and, whether you or anyone else on this site likes it or not, cannot be recalled from office. You had the option to determine whether Northam's actions was appropriate at the ballot box when he was running for Governor. The same conditions apply to Attorney General Mark Herring. As for Lt. Governor Justin Fairfax, the allegations against him are still "allegations" as a trial court has not found him guilty of anything. Therefore, he cannot be removed as he did not do anything while in his official capacity and there is nothing to remove him for. Concerning the case against Roger Zurn, there is a problem in that he committed the infractions that he is accused of while IN office. That is not right and he should be disciplined/removed. It is not real complicated. I decline providing an explanation/retort to the rest of this "discussion".

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amerigirl

Hey hardwork idiot. Does that feel right? Come on! stop with the name calling, and the racist name calling. Did you forget history? Plenty of people called for Northams resignation, the thing was it could never be proven. Even though only 2 people who he really didn't know called him that in High school, republics use it like there is real credibility to it, so what makes you that way? That is really SICK. Planes are flying and if you don't like it here in blue Virginia you should leave, but you have no right to tell others to leave. You now trumpster won't win, I almost feel sorry for you.

VA voter

It is absolutely vital that elected officials have the best interest of ALL of their constituents and lead by example. If they are faulty in actions they must be held accountable. To offend a portion of the Loudouners he represents is shameful and he should resign NOW. This wasn't a past High School or College lack of good judgement...this is a current-day behavior. Not acceptable for an elected official.

Loudoun4Trump

Agreed! Why the heck is black face still governor and ag.....doesnt make sense...

amerigirl

He wouldn't be if that was proven, would he? You still don't get that.

scottva

I think his initial apology was a hint that he knew the jig was up. Wait, that's right, he took it back because he never recalls doing anything like that. Give me a break.

amerigirl

scott, what if's don't cut it, along with what you think he did, that won't affect the outcome. Facts do.

Loudoun Observer

Blackface is a democrat. Zurn is a Republican.

amerigirl

So look at the article and you can see the racist, the republican, duh! and you

Voltaire

L4T--it does make sense. Governor Northam did his incident with "blackface" when he was a private citizen (medical school student) and hadn't entered politics. Attorney General Mark Herring also did a "blackface" incident in 1980 when he was in college. Again, AG Herring did this before entry into politics and as a private citizen. Now, if AG Herring and Governor Northam had done this type of activity while holding official office, then there would be a credible argument that they should be disciplined/removed from office. However, this isn't the case for either person. As for Roger Zurn, the story is different in that he did commit these incidents while he was serving as the County Treasurer and therefore needs to be held accountable by the voters through removal from office. Relatively simple.

Voltaire

LO--No, it does not matter if the individual is a Republican (R), Democrat (D), or Independent (I). The same situation applies. You cannot remove a person from office for infractions that occurred before the person has taken that office. In the cases of these people with incidents in their private lives, you have the opportunity to judge the merits of these incidents at the ballot box in November.

scottva

Is it acceptable for LCPS to adopt lessons from the NAACP and blast out to all parents and targeted at white parents, teachers, and students that they are all implicitly biased, except they just don't know it and will need special training? My family and I have NOTHING to apologize for, we have not done or said anything to any minorities that would cause mental or physical harm. We will not apologize for the actions of others, that's where personal accountability comes in. So STOP telling me that we are "implicitly biased" because we are white. This sure as heck is widespread "lack of good judgment", faulty in their actions as "leaders" and is shameful. It also does not do minority kids any justice to constantly tell them that white people are "implicitly biased". how in the world does that help things? It doesn't.

amerigirl

When did that happen? What did it say? What does it have to do with this article?

longhouse7

I love how young black resistance and resiliency is forcing all these closet and covert racists to expose themselves. There are many more to be exposed and cancelled. Let’s start with Roger Zurn, a racist white supremacist.

scottva

So i guess we completely ignore what LCPS is doing, go it.

jke

Zurn for Chairman and get rid of the divider, Randall.

amerigirl

Oh you want to replace a black woman with a racist white man, where do I even begin? The race thing? the sexist thing?

Borninloudoun

Why is everything with you about race or sex? You need help in getting over your bias! Or maybe it is because he is a republican??

amerigirl

That's in your mind. I have many interest and you don't know me, don't pretend you do.

Maybe because he is republican???? Sorry but did you read hat this article is about?

We can't all be as bias free as you are Borninloudoun. WIth your every post I say, "Now there is a temperate soul. Loves his fellow man no matter the color or wallet." We are all striving and struggling to reach your enlightened plane of existence...

amerigirl

QUALIFICATIONS, I bet there are murders in jail that could also fit those QUALIFICATIONS. You think he is the only one that does? Who is filing a quota? Are you assuming that it has to be a black person getting is position and that is why they want him to resign? You don’t like people in rural areas either with your rant about backwoods country hillbilly garbage? Maybe it is racist to want a competent black woman replaced by a racist white man, I would think. If racist fits then I will use it, what word did you think would be used in comment sections about racism? You might think it is meaningless too bad, it’s not, it is appropriate in this section on racist jokes by a racist man. Like, Deal with it.

scottva

You forgot what should more important than filling a quota or checking a box, it's called QUALIFICATIONS. What kind of backwoods country hillbilly garbage is that? Wanting to replace an incompetent person, who happens to be a black women is racist? You do what you people do best, play the race and sex card, for no other reason than you have nothing else to offer. The word "racist" is meaningless AG. It is used in every sentence, objection, disagreement for an argument, or if you don't like how someone said something. It's kind of like when the "Valley Girls" used the word "like" all the time. It became old, overused, and really stupid sounding.

RandomName2019

Zurn for chairman? I hate to break it to you, but at the rate that Republicans are tearing themselves down there's a better chance that every elected Loudoun position will be held by a Democrat on 1/1/2024. Look at how badly they performed in November's election! Zurn, Chapman, and Wertz's opponents all garnered massive turnout (and the only Democrat who was qualified was Zurn's opponent). Clemens almost lost in his last election and nobody even knew who his opponent was!

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amerigirl

Isn't liberal tyranny an oxymoron moron? Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law. Tyranny is defined as severe or harsh treatment. An example of tyranny is someone putting someone in jail for years for a small crime. The definition of tyranny is a government or ruler with total power. An example of tyranny is a country run by a cruel dictator.

Ald-Nova

I don't believe this was just an error in judgement. At a turbulent time, he decided to stand up for his views, publicly, to his friends. That's his right, and he is free to say it, but he should freely accept the consequences of the anger he knew he was firing up.

Lawman

Fortunately Zurn’s stupidity has brought more focus on how he runs his office. Sending drones out to look at people’s property, taxing hard working farmers for modest additions, cutting taxes on friends and political contributors, over estimating poor people’s dwelling are just a few of the questions. Stay tuned for the investigations. Zurn is dirty and his operation will be brought to light.

Zeekva

The man should’ve done a live broadcast & apologized the very same day he posted his comment. While it’s true that some people make mistakes & Everyone is entitled their own opinion - as an elected official, that’s unacceptable. He needs to step down, that would be the honorable thing to do.

ace10

Do you actually live in Virginia and pay taxes here?

Your post reads like it was written by somebody who is very unfamiliar with the constitutional officers in this state.

The Treasurer is the bill collector.

The Commissioner of the Revenue does all the things you're alleging.

DIFFERENT ELECTED OFFICE.

But nice try! Maybe if you do some digging you can find something on Robert Wertz. Like that time he didn't come to a full and complete stop at the 4 way intersection down the road. Allegedly.

Voltaire

Ace10--Virginia is actually not a state but rather a Commonwealth.

ace10

Peddle your pedantic silliness elsewhere.

Virginia is a state, with a lower case "s." There are fifty states in the United States of America.

And since you want to do this....you're incorrect by referring to Virginia as a Commonwealth, with an upper case "C." The proper and correct usage in your sentence would have been "commonwealth." But since you were incorrect, it's a moot point.

See how fun this is?

Voltaire

Ace10--no, you are incorrect. Virginia is not a state, it is a Commonwealth. There are four states which are officially known as commonwealths: Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Virginia, and Massachusetts. This means that their full state names are actually "The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania" and so on. When Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Virginia, and Massachusetts became part of the United States, they merely took the old form of state in their title. BTW, when I am referring to the name of the state in an official capacity, I CAN use a capital letter. However, before you correct me on this subject, go learn some geography as it appears that you have no clue what you are talking about. Yes, I am having fun proving that you know zip.

amerigirl

Volt, no point in arguing with Ace he will never ever even with his dying breath admit that he is wrong, soon he'll be calling you a liar too. It's better to ignore him and let him think he won, but brace yourself there will be a victory lap involved.

Voltaire

AG--thanks for the information. Good to know.

ace10

Your ability to understand facts is obviously limited. Similar to someone who relies on internet searches for all their "information." You're incorrect about the usage in my post. 100% incorrect.

Virginia is a state.

The Commonwealth of Virginia is a state.

Virginia may be referenced as the Commonwealth. But it is a commonwealth.

There are fifty states in the United States of America, not forty six states and four commonwealths.

You're in a hole. You have a shovel. Stop digging.

Voltaire

Ace10—nope, I am not wrong. It is your ability to understand basic geography that appears to be at fault. Yes, there are fifty states in the United States. However, the OFFICIAL form of government for four of those states is commonwealth. Want proof? Go look at the Commonwealth of Virginia’s Government websites. Do you see ANYWHERE on those sites Virginia being identified as the STATE of Virginia anywhere? NO. The reason is Virginia is a COMMONWEALTH. Go do your own research and maybe you can finally figure out this basic concept that most grade school children know.

ace10

Virginia is a commonwealth.

There are fifty states in the United States of America.

The Commonwealth of Virginia is one of the fifty states.

Logic. It can be your friend if you let it.

RoundHillGuy

Can't argue with that, agree with all of that re Zurn's office. However, he did not wear black face and pose with a klansman. Have to point out the double standard.

amerigirl

You know which one it was, my god the investigates couldn't even conclude he was in the picture at all, definitely not which image was his, they even tried facial rec but you know for sure right? What double standard are you pointing out? the one where the dems called for Northams resignation but the repubs won't call for Zurns? Tep that 's a double standard alright.

Lawman

If you saw my earlier post, you would know I am no fan of that closet Republican Northam. Called for resignation then call for it now.

Voltaire

Lawman--on what basis? Northam didn't do anything during his term of office that warrants recall/resignation. You cannot, no matter how hard you and other posters want, hold the "blackface" incident as a grounds for removal as that occurred when he was a private citizen. BTW, I don't have any doubt that Northam is not a "closet Republican".

Voltaire

RHG--for about the umpteenth time now, there is a difference between the actions of Roger Zurn and Governor Northam. The actions that Governor Northam participated occurred while he was a private citizen (medical school student) and before he entered politics. He did not do these actions during his term as Governor. You had your opportunity for blocking Northam at the ballot box when he was running for the office. As for Roger Zurn, he is different in that he has committed these offenses during his turn as County Treasurer. There is a difference and it is not a double standard at all.

chrisnich

Where do you get this stuff, Lawman? Do you lay awake at night and just post whatever pops into your head? You made some pretty hefty accusations without a single specific example or an iota of proof.

RandomName2019

...Zurn doesn't decide taxes, he just collects them. The Commissioner's office handles assessments. What are you asserting that they did?

LoudounPulse

Zurn is an elected official. He has no boss, other than We The People. Unless he resigns, he isn't going anywhere until the next election. So save your energy.

Voltaire

LP--that is actually wrong. There are procedures identified in the Code of Virginia that discusses the process of recalling officials.

LoudounPulse

There are really only two options:

a) He resigns - New Election is held

b) Somebody musters 11,000 signatures to remove him and a judge approves it.

If (a) doesn't happen, then (b) is a long shot. It might not be hard to get 11,000 signatures. But the remarks on Facebook just don't amount to a level that a judge would approve the removal from office. This avenue is really for somebody who is abusing their office. If Zurn was stealing money from the Treasury, that would do it. But making a dumb remark on Facebook just won't cut it. Even if 11,000 people sign a petition for their removal.

amerigirl

§ 24.2-233. Removal of elected and certain appointed officers by courts.

RandomName2019

That's a high burden to clear because they would have to show that his comments interfered with his ability to fulfill the duties of his office. Given that his office probably only interacts with 1% of residents in person (and everything else happens online or on the phone), it would be difficult for him to know who he should discriminate against. Also, getting valid data to review would be hard because it's all private.

bboop

Roger Zurn is a Republican, so of course he can not have a sense of humor about anything without SJ warriors screaming in outrage for his removal, while others say whatever they please. I'm so sick of all the holier than thou Liberals who have taken over a beauiful old town & turned it into a hot mess of dictatorship to suit them. Roger Zurn made a sarcastic remark that rang true & got Liberal panties all in a knot because they cant bear truth. Aunt Jemima was a legend, much loved, never ridiculed..from the original to her successors. But BLM seems intent on erasing Black history along with the rest...no respect for the Tuskeegee Airmen memorial or any other tributes to Black heroes who were good people. Everything is not racist, Roger Zurn is not racist, he's a good man who did his job for years without picking your pockets clean like the ones you are voting in...but people are hellbent on removing Conservatinves any way they can. If citizens of Leesburg don't pay attention to what is happening here, we will fall into the Abyss that Northam is sinking us into. May as well call it Bloom Berg.

Voltaire

bboop--wow. There are a lot of problems here. First, you cannot say with any decisiveness that only liberals want to remove Roger Zurn. The issue is here is that Roger Zurn, as an elected public official representing this county, should NOT have made that comment as that comment is/was inappropriate and wrong. Roger Zurn has a record of using inappropriate comments about various types of people and was arrested/charged for criminally assaulting a 10-year boy in 2007. The record shows that there is a real probability that Zurn is a racist. Is that the type of "leader" that this county wants? Really? Get real. The County Treasurer, contrary to popular belief, is not responsible for setting tax policy, that is the job of the Board of Supervisors. The County Treasurer is responsible for filling and collecting taxes. Investing, safeguarding, and disbursing all county revenue. As to the point about Bloomberg, that is not relevant as Bloomberg lives in New York City.

Voltaire

Scottva--no, I believe that most widely sold syrup in the US was because of the quality of the product, not the marketing on the package. However, the decision to change the picture of Aunt Jemima is a marketing/business decision that is within the rights of PepsiCo as the manufacturer. They are responding to consumer sentiment and that is a proper business approach. Why can't people understand that? Not real complicated and doesn't require a Harvard MBA to grasp the point.

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scottva

Do you honestly believe that THE most widely sold syrup in the US was because of the picture of Aunt Jemima so us white folks could laugh? Give me a break. Next up, a black cat is bad luck and bad guys wear black must have been a white that started all that? You know what's an embarrassment? Our society, PC culture, retaking tests in school because little Johnny didn't feel well and participation trophies. You know what would help to fix things? Archie Bunker, The Jeffersons and Sanford and Son. Are you losing sleep over Zurn's post? Does it trigger you? Are you developing microagressions? People are wound too tight, lighten up.

amerigirl

What others are saying what they please, examples of the accused please? There is no holier than thou attitude, that is exactly what they are complaining about. It is equality, everyone equal not anyone being “holier” or better than anyone else. If Zurn felt that Blacks and Asians were equal to him he wouldn’t make those kinds of jokes. And if you think those remarks ring true, you are right there in the gutter with him. What he did was racist and you think it’s the truth? BLM has nothing to do with the companies changing names, the companies saw that it could affect people and changed it on their own. But we know republicans, got to blame the so-called enemy for everything. Don’t tell me you think it was BLM or a black that vandalized the Tuskeegee Airmen memorial, that is insanity. Zurn doesn’t make the laws about taxes, he couldn’t pick your pocket anyway, so that statement is moot. By the way Bloom Berg, why not excellent name, maybe he will start giving them money for city improvements.

Borninloudoun

All the people calling for Zurn to be removed should be doing the same for Northam for his black face/KKK picture and Biden to be removed as a candidate for his comments. Double standard and hypocrites.

LetFreedomRing

@Bourninloudoun - It’s ok! It’s not hypocrisy. It’s two completely different situations. One has a (D) next to his name and the other has an (R). The (D) stands for Diversity and the (R) stands for Racism. Only people with R’s next to their name are capable of being racist. In fact, all R’s are racist. It’s impossible for D’s to be racist because that’s what the D’s and the mainstream media (but I repeat myself) tell us.

amerigirl

Look at your hypocrisy,trying to justify someone making racist remarks that were proven by using accusations used on someone else. The letter next to the name means nothing when you are saying it's okay for an (R) to do something because a (D) may or may not have done something. Deflect every time an (R) is accused of something by blaming a (D) for it. Then transfer what that (R) is being accused of to all (D)'s and play the victim. It's old and it doesn't work, tired of the lame excuses.

LetFreedomRing

AG, I’m not making excuses for anyone. I emphatically reject all forms of racism. It doesn’t matter to me what political party, skin color or anything. Sadly, the mainstream media and Democrats (again, I repeat myself) don’t feel the same. There is a very obvious double standard applied based on political party affiliation and it’s an injustice.

amerigirl

Let's I totally disagree, the dems called for an investigation and for Notham to resign. When the investigations could prove nothing they stopped, you can't ask for a resignation on maybe's. How is that a double standard?

Voltaire

LetFreedomRing--no, it is the same standard being applied consistently across. For now the umpteenth time, you cannot hold the actions that an individual did against them while they are in elected office. Why? Because, the individual, while holding office, didn't commit the infraction while in office. Since these incidents occurred in the individual's private life before he was elected to an official position (Attorney General or Governor), you had the choice to judge the merits of these instances at the ballot box. There is no official credible basis for recall, that is the fact/law whether you like it or not is irrelevant.

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springerdad

You may have Lawman but not Cindylou or AG. They fully support Northem and Biden.

I hate Trump with a passion but Biden is a disaster. I sure hope he picks a good VP.

Out of 360 million people we are left with Biden and Trump.

Binary choice coming dog father. Choose wisely. What's left of our country depends on it.

springerdad

MAGA - I will vote for Biden holding my nose. I just wish I had better choices.

That's how I voted for Hillary in 2016 so I know the feeling...

Lawman

Springerdad I agree we should have more choices, but four more years of the Mango Mussolini could lead to the end of this Country as we know it.

amerigirl

What??? please don't think you know people all that well. Biden was far from my first choice. As I have said in other articles all these really old people shouldn't even be eligible. You have to be of a certain age to be president and they should have an age cut off as well. But as you said if its Biden or trump you know how it will go. Also hoping for a good VP.

AshWilliams

AG - At what age does really old start?

amerigirl

Ash, today it feels like my age is really old, but I would say about 70. I mean the brain starts breaking down during middle-age, the body even sooner.

amerigirl

Problem is you have forgotten that it was called for, then it was investigated and they could not make a conclusion in either investigation on who was actually in the pic. What comments, be more specific. Zurn on the other hand, there is no doubt about it. So you think that is a Double standard? You're wrong.

LetFreedomRing

“...investigation on who was actually in the pic...” Are you seriously implying that the “investigation” was objective or unbiased? Please. The “investigation” was nothing more than political allies dismissing the accusations. There was no objective “investigation” no matter how many times you try to invoke that argument. You continue to ignore the fact that Ralph himself admitted to being in the photo - while not specifying which racist character he embodied - only to later retract his admission after receiving counseling. Please stop being so intellectually dishonest.

amerigirl

Are you seriously implying that the investigation(S) weren't objective or unbiased? Why, because it doesn't fit your agenda? One was run by the school, and firm hired by Eastern Virginia Medical School said they couldn't "conclusively determine" the identities of either person in the 35-year-old photo.That was an independent investigator, they were not hired by Northam or any democrat. Prove there was no objectivity, impossible. He said that because he knew how the yearbook was set up, he also thinks they made a mistake, So prove it if you think it was biased.

amerigirl

Fiscalconservative are you old enough to have been around back then? The purpose of real blackface is to make blacks sound ignorant, the point of trying to mimic an idol is not out of hate but admiration. Back then people just didn't think of looking like the person you were imitating for a dance contest as being derogatory. But what does this have to do with Zurn???????? Are you trying to justify Zurns bad actions witt what you think may have been someone else's actions? If you get a speeding ticket do you think the cop is going to take an excuse of "but they were going fast too" for an answer?

amerigirl

Workhard really can't defend what happened so he will just attack the people who post instead, SAD!

Voltaire

LetFreedomRing--the basic question that needs to be answered is as follows: "Did the infraction occur during the individual's official term?" The answer, as supported by the known evidence is NO. Therefore, you CANNOT remove the individual as that individual has not committed an offense that warrants recall/removal.

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Fiscalconservative

Ralph Northam appeared with shoe polish on his face did you call for his resignation? Since his transgression happened first, let's have him resign then we'll work on Roger Zurn.

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scottva

Oh CindyWHO, there you go again. Take a close look at Randall, I'm certain you voted for and she shares many of the same opinions as Trump. Feels like the rug was just yanked out under your WHO feet, huh?

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workhardgetahead

You would be laughable if you weren't so sad.

Voltaire

Borninloudoun--Northam's infraction ("blackface") occurred when he was a private citizen (medical school student). He hasn't had any incident involving racism as Governor to date. However, the case for Roger Zurn, it is more problematic. While Treasurer in 2007, Zurn was arrested/charged for criminal assault of a 10-year boy. Also, there is a pattern of inappropriate use of racial slurs targeting Chinese people and now African-Americans. There is no double standard.

Voltaire

LetFreedomRing--um, no being elected to office is not a remission of all prior sins. However, you cannot go after an elected official and demand his resignation/recall for acts that occurred before he/she was in that office. You had that moment to decide whether the individual should have been elected at the ballot box at the time of election. You can remove an official if that official has committed acts during the time that he/she was in office.

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Voltaire

Fiscalconservative--there is a major difference between Governor Ralph Northam and Roger Zurn. The incident involving the use shoe polish on his face occurred when Northam was a private citizen (medical school student). It did not occur while he is serving the office of Governor for the Commonwealth of Virginia. In the case of Roger Zurn, the record shows that there were multiple uses of racially insensitive terms towards various minority groups (Chinese, African-American). In addition, Zurn, while serving as County Treasurer, was arrested/charged in 2007 with criminal assault for physically removing a 10-year boy from his property for retrieving his dog. Big difference.

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LetFreedomRing

According to Voltaire‘s logic, being elected to office is remission of all prior sins. Cool deal.

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LetFreedomRing

@Lawman - “We did”? Who is “we”? Certainly not the majority of Dems. You (Dems collectively) most certainly did not.

The double standard needs to end.

Lawman

LetFreedomDing every major Democrat in this State called for his resignation. Try using Google or any other search engine from time to time. We have some of the smartest people in the Country in this County and you potted plants are always the ones commenting without the facts.

amerigirl

We in that reference is the American people. Why are you trying to make something out of nothing.

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amerigirl

How does it say being elected to office is remission of all prior sins. It simply says that its not the platform that they ran on or what they will be acting on in the future under their policies.

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amerigirl

That's pretty mean thing to say to someone who had to take all kinds of meds to stay alive don't you think?

LoudounPulse

There is no such thing as "Delete" on Facebook.

amerigirl

Find the post you want to delete and tap the three dots on the upper right of the post. 4. Tap "Delete." Facebook will then ask you to confirm that this is really what you want to do — tap "Delete Post" to confirm.

scottva

I know how near and dear to your heart the whole illegal immigration topic is. I also imagine you voted for Randall. So what do you have to say about her stance on illegals? I bet you're not too happy.

amerigirl

What stance? Though this is really not the forum for it.

scottva

His point is just because you "delete" something doesn't mean its actually deleted. Perhaps from the view but it's always out there.

MitchT

So sad to see LTM cover up for racism that is expressed by people they agree with. We have serious racial issues that need to be dealt with, but the double standards by liberals get people focused on their hypocrisy instead of solving racial issues.

LTM defines: “Uncle Tom,” meanwhile, is an offensive nickname for someone who desires to serve others aware of the servant's lower status, otherwise known as a “house negro." The stereotype was often used in minstrel shows that depicted black people as lazy, clownish and dumb.

Actually, that is a deceptive half-truth at best. Uncle Tom is a label used by liberals NOW to describe blacks who do not toe the liberal line and are conservative or Republican. It is racist to say all blacks must think alike, but this racism is excused by liberals because it helps their agenda. Shame on LTM! Painting the usage as ancient history and leaving out the current usage is deceptive, and appears to be an attempt to cover up "acceptable" racism. Will we see an apology? Even-handedness in calling out the sins of the left?

ace10

The editorial angle of LTM is no secret.

You're correct about the modern application of the Uncle Tom label. It is virtually the exclusive domain of liberals and progressives who don't think someone is "black enough" or doesn't fit into their box of what a black people should or should not say or believe.

Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas and Larry Elder can all attest.

It's just another facet of plantation politics.

amerigirl

Who told you that biggie, Prove it, too much BS

springerdad

AG - Here you go from the POst in November 2018.

The comment stayed in my mind. The appellation refers to the title character of Harriet Beecher Stowe’s 1852 novel, “Uncle Tom’s Cabin,” and it is generally applied to blacks who are subservient toward whites or traitorous toward other blacks. I found it odd and inappropriate for a white person to refer to a black person as an Uncle Tom, but I realized I had never bothered to sort out why. Remembering other occasions when I’d heard white people use the term, I recalled a man at a political meeting I attended in college and a woman in a prose workshop I led (she wrote, referring to a group of submissive black people, that she “felt like calling them Uncle Toms or something”).

Soon I became more attuned to the use of the term by nonblacks in my daily life and in the media. In 2013, for example, a Democratic Minnesota state representative, Ryan Winkler, referred to U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas as “Uncle Thomas” in a tweet. (Winkler apologized.) In 2016, political blogger Betsy Rothstein called Montel Williams “the Uncle Tom of the 2016 presidential election” for supporting Republican John Kasich. Then, last year, I read Mary Karr’s 2015 nonfiction book, “The Art of Memoir,” whose text contains the following passage about Richard Wright’s 1945 memoir, “Black Boy”: “Wright’s refusal to shuffle Uncle Tom-like down the page trying to cull favor was a revolutionary act at his time in history.” When I complained about this on Facebook, some politically progressive friends said they had used the term themselves — and didn’t see why they shouldn’t continue to do so.

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The first has to do with an erroneous interpretation of the novel. The original Uncle Tom is, well, no Uncle Tom. Like millions of his real-life counterparts at the time, Tom is enslaved. He also has courage, dignity and a strong sense of what is right. When ordered by his cruel master, Simon Legree, to whip another slave, Tom refuses; he later encourages two other slaves to escape, and when Legree confronts him, asking where they have gone, Tom refuses to reveal their whereabouts, a decision that costs him his life. Tom heartily (but not blindly) embraces Christianity, the religion of his white oppressors; but then so do most of the black Americans I know.

“Uncle Tom’s Cabin,” a bestseller upon its publication, has long been credited with fueling the abolitionist movement (it created a furor among defenders of slavery). In the decades that followed, however, Uncle Tom became associated not with progress but with those who stood in its way. Most famously, in 1920, speaking at the first convention of black nationalist Marcus Garvey’s Universal Negro Improvement Association, the Rev. George Alexander McGuire said that “the Uncle Tom n----- has got to go, and his place must be taken by the new leader of the Negro race . . . not a black man with a white heart, but a black man with a black heart.”

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Suddenly, poor Uncle Tom had become a villain, and an insult was born. But as a character on the page, he remains brave, loyal and good. If the character Uncle Tom is guilty of anything, it is being a two-dimensional entity whose purpose is to serve his white creator’s ends: the same sort of nonperson, in other words, that wielders of the term “Uncle Tom” seek to make of the blacks they insult.

What’s more, whites’ good intentions — their impulse to use “Uncle Tom” to castigate internal foes of black progress — blind them to the fact that they are using a term of derision applied almost exclusively to black people, which puts it in the same league as another word. Williams understood this, answering the charge by replying to Rothstein on Twitter: “Why don’t u just stop dancing around it and call me a n**ger?”

Finally, white people have no business trying to police authentic black identity. I am not a black person who shouts “racism” every time the sky clouds over; I don’t make a habit of telling whites what they should and shouldn’t do; and I don’t believe in creating white discomfort for its own sake. But white people simply don’t have any moral authority here. The situations in which blacks are so-called Uncle Toms are ones in which whites will never find themselves: not taking a knee during the national anthem at a football game or continuing to work for a boss who unapologetically uses racial slurs. Confronted with the original Tom’s dilemma or its modern-day equivalent, how would you respond? I like to think I would do what Tom does, but I don’t know for sure, and I’m guessing that is true for most people.

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Certainly, any person of any color can face situations in which the choice is between profit or safety, on the one hand, and principle on the other. There are words for a person who makes the less admirable choice. “Coward,” “sellout” or “traitor” would suffice. If the person is black, why use “Uncle Tom,” unless it is to punish the person for his color as well as his behavior?

Of course, black people sometimes use the “Uncle Tom” charge, too: The Atlanta Black Star, for instance, put together a list of people Malcolm X might label that way. Even for us, this is a bad idea — both because it encourages others to use the pejorative and because the term is so easy to misuse. Taking an unpopular stand is not necessarily the same as being a traitor, and it is time we all stopped acting as if it were. What is black freedom if it does not include the freedom to think for oneself? William O’Neal, the FBI informant who sold out the Black Panthers, resulting in the 1969 police killing of Fred Hampton, was an Uncle Tom, if we must use that term; I would hardly say the same of Montel Williams.

As a Democrat and a liberal, I dislike Clarence Thomas’s views; I doubt John Kasich will ever receive my vote, as he apparently did Williams’s; and I am deeply suspicious of the support for the 45th president expressed by Kanye West, one of the more recent victims of the “Uncle Tom” slur. But lacking the ability to peek into their minds, I cannot say for certain whether they speak and act honestly and according to their principles, which may differ from mine, or for other reasons. And so I avoid the term “Uncle Tom.” Using it is like discharging a weapon: Before you do, you want to be sure the person on the other end has it coming.

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amerigirl

Do you think racial jokes help solve the problem? The real double standard is saying We have serious racial issues but think it’s okay to allow this type of behavior from an elected official. I know plenty of liberals and have never hear them use that term. You just make up conspiracy theories that you can try to blame liberals for, cheap shot.

MitchT

To quote an insulting comment from you from today "Check your reading comprehension." Who said racial jokes are OK? Nowhere in the comment you are replying to, nor have I ever said that. How do you know that I "think it's OK to allow this type of behavior" from anyone? That's pretty bigoted to tell me what I think when you don't know me and have zero evidence that I think that. Your arguments are so pitiful and ignorant. You haven't heard it, so it doesn't exist. That's what a lot of people say about racism, and here you are responding to racism the same way. Just google "any black conservative name" with "called Uncle Tom." Try Clarence Thomas, Tim Scott, Condoleeze Rice, Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Ben Carson, Herman Cain. You'll even see people like Marco Rubio pop up in the results, because this racism is used indiscriminately. You claim in other posts to do your research. Let's see how honest you are, and whether you are willing to own up to your false, ignorant attack on my character, and the things you falsely implied I said. I bet you'll have lots of excuses, no apology--or nothing at all, moving on to insult someone else.

ace10

Last month, Joe Biden (D) tells an entire race that if they don't vote for him, they "Ain't Black."

The old white guy literally just told an entire group of Americans that they will lose their racial identity if they vote for someone other than him.

It doesn't get more racist than that. It's built right into his character. Just look at his career.

But the apologists and press look the other way.

I will surely be called a "racist" by pointing this out.

amerigirl

Yep, last month, keep up and stay on topic. Why are you going off on Biden? Trying to change the narrative from Zurn? SAD Work on that reading comprehension and read the title of the article so you look like you know what you're talking about.

springerdad

AG - It is true though. Biden has made more then just one racial remark that would sink everyone else but Trump. This guy maybe our Treasurer but Biden will be President.

Giving people a pass because of their politics is just wrong.

amerigirl

Not politics, being a repeat offender. If Zurn had done this once and apologized that would be one thing, but he has a history. You're right Biden will be President

Voltaire

Workhardgetahead--No, that isn't right. There is nothing to go after Northam. Northam's incident with "Blackface" occurred when he was a private citizen (medical school student). That did not occur while Northam is serving as Governor of Virginia. Therefore, there isn't anything to get him for. Zurn, on the other hand, committed his offenses while serving as the County Treasurer and can be recalled/dismissed for those infractions. As for Joe Biden, the voters can determine his fate at the election box in November.

Voltaire

SD--the fate of Joe Biden's candidacy will be judged at the ballot box in November. It is there that you, as an individual voter, be able to judge Joe Biden's record. Nobody should give anybody a pass because of their politics but you simply can't remove a politician (Northam) because he did something in his private life before entry into politics and didn't occur while he occupied his position. Sorry, that simply doesn't fly.

Voltaire

BorninLoudoun--I agree that the public should hold politicians, whatever their orientation, accountable. However, you need to differentiate. For example, in the case of Northam, he had his "Blackface" incident as a private citizen (medical school student) and that was before his election as Governor. As Governor, he has had little to force him out of office through recall. Roger Zurn, on the other hand, has a record of inappropriate use of racial terms and a criminal referral for assault as Treasurer and has grounds for removal/recall. As for Biden, again, that is a question for the voters to judge in November at the ballot box. On a similar vein, Trump also has some baggage with his treatment of female reporters at the White House and other questionable handling of racially sensitive items.

Borninloudoun

You should not be such a hypocrite. If you want to hold him accountable, hold EVERYONE accountable!

LetFreedomRing

AG, ace is not veering off topic by calling out Biden’s words. He/she is simply pointing out the stark hypocrisy and double standards held by the mainstream media when it comes to every topic, including racism.

workhardgetahead

We can go after Zurn after we take care of Blackface Northam and you ain't black Biden.

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ace10

Hundreds upon hundreds of posts each and every day. Every one of them is argumentative.

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amerigirl

At least our comments are about the article and are coming out the right end, verses your pile of BS

ace10

Perfect example of double standards:

In another story, the LTM commenter (the one who posts hundred of times per day) said the following to me regarding J. Biden's incredibly racist remark about taking away Black peoples' racial identity if they didn't vote for him.

She said that the following:

"You know he walked it back but you do not believe in forgiveness or apologizing."

Well. The Treasurer apologized, but you want his head. You're out for blood. Apologies are for (D)s only, apparently.

You're a disgusting hypocrite. And everyone knows it.

amerigirl

Poor acey, who also post a hundred times a day, doesn’t realize that you can’t keep doing the same racist thing and just keep apologizing for it and expect to be forgiven. This is not his first racist comment. I don’t want anyone’s blood just his job. He represents the people of Loudoun and as an elected official he represents us. There are many people in Loudoun that find his racist jokes offensive and don’t want him to represent us. Well if the treasure does it again and apologizes then he should be forgiven?

As supervisor Glass (D-Broad Run) wrote of Zurn’s comments, “I would like to say I am surprised by Mr. Zurn’s most recent racist Facebook post,” “Sadly, I am not. He, like so many other seemingly well-intentioned white men of a certain generation, appear to be tone deaf to their white privilege and have been allowed to say, ‘I was only joking’ for too long.”

ace10

Biden has groped women and children. Is accused of sexual assault. He fought school desegregation. Has referred to white-supremecists as his "friends." His history on racial matters is very-well documented.

But he's got a (D) after his name so.....

amerigirl

If you think hands on the shoulders is groping I think your sex life sucks.But what does that have to do with Zurn? are you AGAIN trying to justify the unjustifiable by changing the topic? [offtopic][tongue_smile][tongue]

springerdad

AG -

You really need to stop defending Biden. Besides his "joke" a month ago he also said this

Jul 7, 2006 - You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking," Biden said. The clip made its way ...

amerigirl

Springer I would love to stick to the subject. it is these other people that keep trying to justify Zurn by saying other people did things.

MitchT

Amerigirl, your reply ignores your blatant hypocrisy, documented by your own words. If you really care about solving racial issues, you'll be honest about your hypocrisy. Instead of actually having discussions about the important issues of racism, you and others make the issue your obvious double standard. So, instead of seeing concern about racism, we see you using a bad, but apologized for, judgment as a political weapon that only applies to those you disagree with. If you are truly concerned about racism, you'd care about it know matter where it was expressed.

amerigirl

Documented by what words? There is no double standard, you should be writing fantasy novels not comments. So 1 person apologizes and is forgiven. Then Zurn apologizes for this time, it is not his first time, he has a history. Should he just be allowed to continue making racist remarks and apologizing and be forgiven every time? Having an opinion and judging, figure out the difference. Who says I don’t care about it no matter where it was expressed? But who is going to be fooled by a repeat offender?

MitchT

Amerigirl, ace10 quoted you (I actually should not have assumed it was you, but you did respond and say that he "also" posted 10s of times, so it sure sounded like you knew he was referring to you). Did ace10 falsely quote you about Biden "walking back" -- which is not an apology -- his racist comment? If ace10 was not quoting you, or is lying, you'll have my apology. If he's not, will you apologize for your accusing me of making things up?

You assert there is no double standard while demonstrating it. There is documentation--some on this comment thread--of Biden making other racial comments, and physical assaults on people. He has a history of these things. You say Zurn does also, I haven't seen the evidence. But even if he does, you are OK with Biden's history but not with Zurn's. That's a double standard. Just like liberals screamed to high heaven about the Kavanaugh allegations but have done everything to bury those against Biden as well as attack the character of his accuser. If you accept Biden's history and apology, but reject Zurn's alleged history and apology, then that is evidence you only care about racism when it suite your political agenda.

amerigirl

Mitch, Mitch, Ace lies, or should I say he will only put half of the statement so it will fit his narrative, actually both. I plainly put in it that he apologized. What physical assaults? I said that Zurn has made these types of jokes before, he is a repeat offender which is why saying you’re sorry and then repeating it again just doesn’t cut it with me. Zurn had charges press on him for being physical with a 10-year-old boy whose dog wandered into Zurns yard. I think a lot of Bidens history is extremely over exaggerated, but that isn’t the point. I do not use someone else’s history to try to justify what this person has done. That is nothing but deflection. I don’t think that putting your hands on someone’s shoulders is sexual harassment and I firmly believe that republicans are grasping at straws to make something out of nothing. Maybe it’s because I grew up with family that did the same thing and nobody ever thought twice about it. But excusing Zurns wrongs because someone else may have done something is no justification for what Zurn did.

MitchT

Amerigirl, as usual you bob and weave and avoid what is said and the actual point of a comment. So you don’t deny you excused Biden for his “ain’t black” remark, which is exactly what ace10 said, yet you call him a liar. As usual, the one deflecting and exhibiting poor reading comprehension is you. I never excused Zurn’s wrong or any alleged wrongs you keep harping on. I just pointed out your hypocrisy yet again. You have a different standard for people depending on whether you agree with them or not. That’s the liberal way. You’ve shown it over and over. Republicans are grasping at straws, but you, the objective truth sayer, are calling out Zurn with no bias. Oh, please!

Your silence is deafening after I caught you (up above, search for MitchT, @ 4:19pm in response to you 3:53pm) implying I said things I never said and falsely accusing me of approving Zurn’s behavior and making up conspiracy theories. Your comments are hateful, bigoted, and ignorant and are good examples of why we can’t solve these important racial issues.

amerigirl

Mitch, I don’t care what you think about how I handle things, call it whatever you want. What I basically have to say is that trying to say somebody else did something does not justify what Zurn did. You guys keep trying to make light of his racist remark by constantly comparing it to other remarks made by other people and that is a very lame excuse. Wrong is wrong, no matter how many do it. I am not going to answer you for just that reason. Use this situation and this one only and tell me with a straight face that you think it was kay for Zurn to say these derogatory things about minorities. I made my statement in a previous article, too bad you weren’t there but I am sick to death of how all you republicans are always trying to say what you know in your heart is wrong is alright because someone else has done it before. I wasn’t implying anything to you, you weren’t taking the comments to the top where the person I was responding to made the remarks. It was to Ace, not you.

Let’s see, conspiracy theory, was for Ace, “Uncle Tom label. It is virtually the exclusive domain of liberals and progressives who don't think someone is "black enough" or doesn't fit into their box of what a black people should or should not say or believe.” The poor reading comprehension was also to Ace (inset right below his comment)

I’m sorry you think that it was made toward you, You have pretty articulate comments, even if I don’t agree with them.

MitchT

Amerigirl, you just stated several easily provable lies as well as continued to show your inability to follow a simple point. This is why we can’t solve these issues—people like you attacking others to distract from your double standards. You are the one with a serious reading comprehension problem.

You say your comment was for Ace. FALSE. Your comment was in reply to mine (you can see that from the indenting). And you QUOTED MY WORDS as you accuse me of thinking it’s OK to make remarks like Zurn’s. And I stated the “conspiracy theory” before Ace10 did—and easily both documented that it is true and that you just spouted a spiteful opinion without any knowledge to back it up, or even checking if it was true.

As for this latest comment, you continue lying about people because you can’t follow a point. I never made light of Zurn’s post, so stop lying and accusing me of doing so. Your “straight face” challenge is ignorant and also a lie since I’ve said all along his post was wrong. And my point, shared by many here, is NOT that Zurn was right or did something acceptable. It is that you, and the liberals/Democrats, have no standing to come after Zurn when you routinely excuse the same or worse behavior when it comes from people you agree with. That’s a pretty simple point--you’re a hypocrite. And your hypocrisy stands in the way of resolving racial issues. As does lying and asserting facts that are false, and then never apologizing or admitting error when caught with your very own words. You make a big deal of policing the comments about being on point and had the nerve to call someone an “embarrassment to Loudoun” while you insult, lie, and can’t follow a point. You clearly have a lot of time on your hands, why not learn some truth, control your knee-jerk responses, and help uplift the discussion, maybe help bring people together?

amerigirl

Mitch you are not following the indentations correctly, it is indented directly below Ace’s comment ace10 Jun 18, 2020 3:16pm I am not lying, you are not connecting the comment with the responses and trying to make me do the same, it won’t happen. I am referring to your comment about reading comprehension. To try and justify one mark because someone else said something is diversion and a cover up that makes LIGHT of what is really going on. If you weren’t trying to do that why did you bring Biden up? Using the republican lie that I routinely excuse the same or worse behavior when it comes from people I agree with, it is you who is lying about me. The fact that you blame a group when each person is an individual is sickening. And you say my comments are hateful, bigoted, and ignorant, look deep into your own soul. Please show me a comment I made that is wrong? Bigoted? Ignorant? Name calling on zero basis. You can call it policing all you want but what is wrong with me making my opinion and expressing my first amendment rights? It just doesn’t agree with yours, talk about a double standard. Then you police my comment to workhard about him being an embarrassment to Loudoun? Double standard, and policing. Show me a lie, please, show me just one, bet you can’t but you can call me a liar in a heartbeat. You say I need to learn some truth prove it. In case you hadn’t noticed I only insult those who insult me, do you want to start playing that game? It’s pretty hypocritical of you to say that you want to help uplift the discussion, maybe help bring people together after calling me a liar, hypocrite, bigoted, pitiful and ignorant. Sure, that’s real uplifting. Another double standard.

MitchT

Amerigirl, you are clearly deluding yourself. I’ve already specifically pointed out your lies, and you’re doibling down on them. Your comment is directly under Ace10 in terms of indentation. If it was a reply, it would be indented. Like your reply to him at 4:05pm—it’s indented from his. And you QUOTED MY WORDS in your reply to me. Your lying is despicable. Then you claim I’m justifying a remark. Which remark did I justify? Do you even read the posts before you comment? I’ve explained the point several times now, but clearly you are incapable of getting it or don’t want to. You also lied about my policing you. Unlike you, I did not tell you not to say anything. I just used your words to demonstrate your hypocrisy, name calling, and lack of self-awareness.

You are consistently hypocritical. You complain about my “policing” by saying you have the right to say what you want. Indeed, you do have that right, I’ve never challenged it. So why do you constantly tell people to stop talking about something because you think it isn’t relevant to the discussion? Why don’t they have that right? You say “stay on topic,” “focus on what the article is about,” and you’re little “off topic” emoji. Those people have the right to say what they want, just like you.

Every comment I’ve made about your bigotry, ignorance, lying, and hypocrisy has been backed up by your own words. Show me one that isn’t. I also proved you don’t know what you are talking about by providing evidence that “Uncle Tom” is being used today agains conservative blacks. Did you look at it? Did you apologize for saying it’s a conspiracy theory? No, you can’t be bothered to learn the truth nor own your mistakes and offenses.

Your self-righteous hypocrisy is demonstrated by your constantly saying you don’t insult anyone who doesn’t insult you. First of all, that’s a lie, because you insulted me on this thread in your first response to me. Second, months ago I called you on insulting people while complaining they were insulting people. And then you changed to this new refrain. Insulting people is wrong, and most people learn when they are 5 that two wrongs don’t make a right. Calling out your bigotry, using your own words, is not an insult. It’s a statement of fact and a call for you to stop. Same for your lying and your hypocrisy. And calling on me to show you your wrong comments is just another lie—I’ve done that every time, it’s easy to see in this comment section, and you just ignore it, or claim it was to someone else, or you meant something other than what the words actually say. You can say what you want, with or without carefully reading what people say and thinking through logical and factual responses. Your responses to me indicate you choose to do neither reading or thinking. If you don’t like people pointing out your bad behavior, rather than angrily lashing out, change your behavior. I’ve spent decades learning to do that, and by the grace of Jesus have made some progress, but still a ways to go. It’s never to late too start.

amerigirl

Mitch, you keep doubling down on a fallacy, it is indented, how can you not see that? You really can’t figure out that I responded to Ace, that is yur problem. I gave you the date and time, there is clearly an indentation but you are still in denial. No, you have not backed up your words, you are just lying over and over and I’m sick of it. Like I said, prove it or ask for proof and stop all the whining and the baseless name calling. What do you think the off-topic emoji is for? They put it there for a reason and it’s because people, including you, make articles about everything but the subject just to spout of their hatred and right-wing tyrannical beliefs. You have the nerve to say Insulting people is wrong, you spent half of you comments insulting me, get over yourself. Samples you said I misspoke saying you had made up “conspiracy theories” which was also clearly under LetSanityPrevail Jun 17, 2020 7:48pm, and under ace10 Jun 18, 2020 3:42pm. the reading comprehension, clearly under Ace, but then you attacked me for that remark that wasn’t even to you. The racial jokes being Okay was also to Ace , not to your comment above it, indented under him. You made comments about me defending Biden, which as I said, he walked it back I never said I approved of it. But I did say that if somebody does something once they deserve a second chance and that If Zurn had done this once and apologized that would be one thing. You keep saying I’m hypocritical for saying that, How? In fact, you have rags about it. Tell me how giving people a second chance is hypocritical? It’s not like people can’t make mistakes, but that doesn’t mean they meant harm, but if you repeat those mistakes it shows you is an innate feeling. If you don’t like my behavior, too bad. I only get nasty with those that are nasty with me. Enough of this if you don't understand how to read the comments and you attack me for something you misinterpreted because you think it was directed to you when it wasn't then this conversation is moot.

MitchT

Amerigirl, everything you just spouted has been answered. I can't help it if you don't understand how the indenting works. But it doesn't matter. You QUOTED MY WORDS in the reply, not Ace10's. You replied to my words, and claim you were replying to someone else (who you had replied to in a different comment right below--and indented from--his comment). Your comment is right there, proving your bald-faced dishonesty.

chrisnich

So Roger Zurn can be a wise guy. This seems to be news only to "reporter" Nathaniel Cline who apparently specializes in these types of divisive pieces. Sure, Mr. Zurn should probably take better care of what he says on social media......and clean up his friends list in the meantime. But what he really needs to do is get back to business as one of the few financially responsible adults left among Loudoun's elected officials.

amerigirl

Take better care of what he says on social media? He knows it's wrong but posts things then takes them down. Doesn't he think first like normal people do? Lets see some guy gets caught for saying something offensive and you want to divert from the subject by using message about the reporter and saying the guy is should stay there because you don't think there aren't others that can do his job? Loudoun has not sunk so low that we can't find a person capable of doing his job. It looks like it mostly entails wearing a grey suit for all occasions.

JayZ

You go girl. He needs to go. Too long in the same position. Let’s get some diversity in there. Talk about Biden being old???

Iluvloudoun

This comment, although not in the best of taste, is no grounds for stepping down. What about your black-faced governor??? Seriously, no one cared that our governor selected a picture of himself in black-face standing next to a KKK person???? Really???? Stop being such hypocrites!!!

amerigirl

Of course someone racist enough to call the Gov "our black-faced governor? would say that. Seriously, don't you get news from anywhere but Fox? Who said he picked that picture? Not him. You and your other racist buddies can't even decide which one was him. I t was investigated twice and neither time could they come to any conclusion on if it was him or not. But being the hypocrite you are you make those claims as true. With Zurn, there is unrefuted proof. You need to really take a look at things you hear from all these right wing nuts and take it with a grain of salt, then fact check it.

ace10

Isn't it amazing that you point out someone's well-documented racist past, and then you get called a "RACIST!!!!"

amerigirl

Lies, show what documentation there is, I guess I won't be hearing from you about that anytime soon.

Voltaire

Iluvloudoun--the cases of Governor Northam and Roger Zurn are totally different. For Northam, the incident involving the use of "Blackface" occurred when Northam was a private citizen (medical school student) and occurred before his entry into politics. Roger Zurn, on the other hand, committed his activities during his time at Treasurer of Loudoun County. That is unacceptable. If the Governor had done the activities that Roger Zurn did, then he should have been recalled and removed from office. However, that didn't happen so it isn't an "apples to apples" comparison.

Loudoun-Cascades-Resident

Loudoun County Treasurer Roger Zurn??? Are you kidding me??? Wow!!! This type of behavior is unacceptable and so BOLD to do right on Facebook. The audacity to reference Aunt Jemima, Uncle Tom, and play on Chinese names is RIDICULOUS!!! How old is this man??? I want to say he should know better, but the truth of the matter is that he doesn't. He obviously feels like he is way above all of us that he can be representing our county and still act like a complete imbecile!! Times like this are when people's true colors come out. This CAN'T and SHOULDN'T be who we have representing Loudoun County!!!

TrazomAW

This is nauseating and repulsive. I moved to Loudoun County two years ago, and immediately started receiving tax related documents with the name of Roger Zurn in the header. I Felt quite happy to contribute my tax dollars, because my area is beautiful, well organized, and suitably diverse. Do you know know that we have an ignoramus as treasurer makes me sick.

TrazomAW

Correction: To know that we have an ignoramus as treasurer makes me sick.

StupendousRick

I have created a petition to call for Mr. Zurn's resignation. I ask you to sign it if you feel the way I do on this.

Link: http://chng.it/X75Vp6sQ

workhardgetahead

Shut up

amerigirl

childish reply!

amerigirl

work are you just here to call people names??? What a sad life yu must have. Try really really hard to read the article and say something productive instead of all those childish made up names. Middle school will someday be in your future if you try.

JayZ

Wow. Why should she? You think you are so right that no one is entitled to argue?

amerigirl

I have copied your petition sight and am mailing it out

chrisnich

I thought that outside links were prohibited on the LTM comments page? Or is it just for links that they disagree with?

amerigirl

Are you trying to start another conspiracy theory about favoritism? You can sign in as a guest now. They have gone much more public. Comments and articles from here come up constantly on my news feed on my tablet.

amerigirl

Thi can be ignored because the comment it was on was removed

amerigirl

They have been taking them for sometime now, just about the time they started having their comments posted to news feeds instead of just here.

RHLC

I am offended! Offended, and hurt, and outraged...sad and despondent, too. And mortified...I forgot mortified.

Wait, what are we talking about?

amerigirl

How your tax dollars are supporting a person who has made fun of blacks and Asians.

workhardgetahead

Hey Amerigirl, how are you and Uncle Louis and Uncle Al getting along these days?

amerigirl

I have no idea what you're talking about. But after reading your posts I would have to say neither do you. [tongue][lol][whistling][beam]

workhardgetahead

You know who I'm talking about? A few leaders of your party, Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan, you know, the anti semite, racist who are proud members of the democrat party, the same party you'd follow off a cliff.

Come on Amerigirl, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

amerigirl

Leaders of our party?? What position do Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan hold? When did they run and how many votes did they get? I don't remember that at all. Now these elected officials have spoken out about Farrakhan; Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-N.Y.) But you do not seem to know the difference between a community leader and a party leader.

workhardgetahead

Google Obama Farrakhan Image, Google Sharpton Obama image, your leaders!! Own it

amerigirl

Workhard, focus on what the article is about instead of your personal rants that have noting to do with it. There are pent of pic that can be googled of many different people, trump with Russians, is a good example. So what is the own it BS?

workhardgetahead

Amerigirl, you're going after Zurn for what he said. Before you clean out the Republican house you should clean your own house. You have a lot to clean. Better get to work.

amerigirl

Work my house is clean, look to yourself and your impeached president. Bolton, who I can't stand, rips him a new one.

RHLC

Oh, that's not what I pay my taxes for, and neither does anyone else. Was what he did silly, short sighted and in poor taste? Sure, I suppose. Give him a reprimand and move on. My original post was more a comment on the apparently contagious "moral outrage" over anything and everything these days. For some, being perpetually offended seems to be a way of life.

amerigirl

Then your tax dollars should be paying a man that makes it look like Loudouners think that way. Reprimand may have been good for the first time, but repeat offenders need to go.

RHLC

You sound like a lot of fun amerigirl. It must be exhausting ferreting out and passing judgement on people and things that do or say things you find objectionable. If that's what makes you happy, more power to you. Seems like it's a very popular thing to do these days...beware the thought police!

amerigirl

RHLC, more fun than you think. I don’t pass judgement, I just get tired of people twisting words, lying like it is a proven fact. If I know it is wrong, I correct it, my prerogative to do so. I give sources and prove my point any time someone wants the source. Unfortunately, they started calling names, mostly 1 certain person, so after so much abuse I started to do it back. I have tried to tell them if they stop, I will stop and only call them names when I respond to messages in which they call me names. I thought if they knew what it felt like they would stop BUT nah, they just get meaner, tell more lies about me, etc.

RHLC

Fair enough. You do you. I intend no ill will with my words.

workhardgetahead

Really, mortified, please, after 9-11 you should.of been mortified. Do you get mortified when Louis Farrakhan shoots off his mouth about Jews. Just shut up wont you

amerigirl

Your getting good at telling people to shut up. maybe follow yur own advise. But you have mastered the art of being [offtopic]

RHLC

It's called a joke. Lighten up and try to relax.

amerigirl

How many racist jokes before it's not so funny? He is representing the County and needs to keep to a higher standard.

AshWilliams

What about that dirty, primitive screwhead Quaker on the Quaker Oats can? Just smiling and judging everyone. It’s not a sin to eat oats.

Voltaire

AshWilliams--there is nothing wrong with William Penn, the mascot for the Quaker Oats. Penn was a writer, early member of the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers), and founder of the English North American colony the Province of Pennsylvania. He was an early advocate of democracy and religious freedom, notable for his good relations and successful treaties with the Lenape Native Americans. The use of Penn on the Quaker Oats box was chosen to represent Quaker qualities (integrity, honesty, purity) that provided an appropriate identity for the company's oat product. There are other more obvious brands that will need to have a close look at their mascot than Quaker Oats.

RHLC

Oh mylanta...

AshWilliams

I am so happy that I finally found the person who decides when or when not there is something wrong with an emblem. Now I know that when you reply to something in contrast to someone else’s opinion we can all be at peace since your opinion is the only correct one. Perhaps communities should consult with you before removing any statues so they can ensure they get it right.

The company openly states he is not an actual person and the original trademark application lists a person in “Quaker garb” - so no, it is not William Penn who you have decided for all of us there is nothing wrong with. Quakers have stated their beliefs that everyone has God inside of them - however not everyone believes in God. Do all heathens need to be baptized regardless of beliefs- will that meet your approval on what is or is not ok for an emblem? Why should children be exposed to religious symbols when their parents may not approve?

AshWilliams

Voltaire - you may also want to check your facts on your beloved William Penn - the slave owner:

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/opinion/inquirer/20101220_Slavery_stained_some_unlikely_founders__too.html

AshWilliams

Voltaire - you may also want to check your facts on your beloved William Penn, the slave owner

Voltaire

AshWilliams-- Cute. The person who decides what is wrong with a emblem on a commercial product is the individual consumer in the commercial marketplace. This is basic marketing/economics and maybe a refresher is in order as you appear to need one. The use of the Quaker (be it William Penn or not is not material) of William Penn (that was the individual that the founders of Quaker Oats chose to use BTW after reading an article about Quakers) was a marketing decision that they made. Should they have consulted you? No. It is their decision as the business owners what marketing they elect to use. If you don't like, then you don't have to buy their products. Pretty straightforward, no?

amerigirl

Ash, Quaker Oats advertising dating back to 1909 did identify the "Quaker man" as William Penn, and referred to him as "standard bearer of the Quakers and of Quaker Oats.". But really why does it matter if that is what they want to use. I’m atheist and it doesn’t bother me, nor does angle food cake. It is outdated but really who cares? Still enjoy both. We don’t have to have a look at anything, it was the companies that want to change their image, Are you looking to blame that on someone? You make it sound like Voltaire is defending a choice when it isn’t his choice. You asked a question, he answered. Why are you making it to be something it is not?

AshWilliams

Voltaire - Got it. You’ve decried that the Quaker Oat Man / slave owner is good as it is basic marketing/economics. Aunt Jemima / slave is bad for what seem to be obvious reasons. Again, I’m just happy society has found our expert in you

amerigirl

ash, what are your fantasies with the quaker oat guy?

Voltaire

AshWilliams--I didn't decry anything about the Quaker Oat but merely pointed out the basis for the name/image. As for "Aunt Jemima", you do know that the image on the box became one of the first black millionaires? I did not state anything about "Aunt Jemima". As for your expert crack, I am glad that I could oblige.

AshWilliams

The Aunt Jemima brand is owned by the Quaker Oats brand (and ultimately Pepsi). I was stirring the pot a bit to make a point that if a corporation is reviewing their brands to determine if they are taking advantage of stereotypes then they should truly review all of their brands. To do less makes me doubt their desire to truly reform.

Voltaire

Ash--I am well aware that the "Aunt Jemima" brand is also owned by PepsiCo. I am sure that PepsiCo is reviewing their other brands and making determinations as to what brands may need to change. But, that is their decision and theirs alone to make. As I have said, if the individual consumer does not like the marketing, then there are competing products and the consumer will choose those instead. That is the commercial marketplace and that will influence corporations to change.

amerigirl

Ash are you a foody or something? What is with you and the food products?

scotie321

Nothing new here and no effort to change minds and hearts.. judged on really thin standards that Only apply to party..

springerdad

I used up my weeks worth of outrage yesterday. Does anyone have some they can loan me and I will pay you back next week.

He needs to be voted out of office.

amerigirl

Sympathies, I know how you feel.

DrDoctor

No Joeespo01. The focus of this discussion be about holding our elected officials to a higher standard. They should all be held accountable for their actions. Very simple concept.

With respect to another post, I think most of us agree that we need to support law enforcement. We need to be vigilant in removing the bad cops, but we need to protect and respect the good men and women in law enforcement.

Civilization will collapse without law and order.

Voltaire

DD--I totally agree with your comments.[thumbup]

Oldbroad

Amen!

amerigirl

Second that!

GoodOlLoudoun

isn't it racist to call out his race? NAACP says need to point out "explicitly" racist actions; but today that means everything.

amerigirl

Only to the racists.

Oldbroad

Wrong! It appears to be "racist" if any one is offended by anything! We used to be able to "agree to disagree" or be able to have our personal rhoughts and views. We can't anymore because everyone is offended by everything!

Joeespo01

All the negative comments about the treasurer are from either carpetbaggers from up north who already destroyed their cities and now want to destroy Virginia and

southerners who are brainwashed democrats with no spines.

Voltaire

Joeespo01--your "premises" are nothing more than blanket characterizations and conspiracy theories with no support to back up any of it.

Oh, I wish I could believe. In your world, Joeespor01, the coronavirus is melting away under the heat of Trump’s amazing and brilliant leadership. The economy is roaring back to life. Our president is unifying the races and bringing all of America together to achieve even greater things in the next four years...and anyone who thinks otherwise is just spouting fake news. I am sure it is warm under the right wing...

amerigirl

and I am so glad you don't we don't need anymore brainwashed sheep in this country.

workhardgetahead

Ha!! Brain washed sheep. The irony!!!!

amerigirl

Ha!! it's brainwashed, like you, not Brain washed.

Kitt61

People read your history books. Civil

War was not started because of slavery! African Americans were majority slave owners. Want to stop racism disband KKK and NAACP! Problem solved! So tired of it all. Riots, COVID-19, Trump, Hillary and Politics.

DaPark

You may want to read up on the civil war, specifically the articles of secession. https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

amerigirl

Read the articles of succession.

JayZ

Hi Kitt. Just pull the covers over your head and have a glass of Merlot. Lol

DOOZIE

I wonder If Zurn has ever read about "Uncle Tom" ? Probably not because if he did he would know the real Uncle Tom was a God fearing man who despite starting out as a slave escaped enslavement, made his way to Canada with his wife and children and returned to help 118 other slaves to freedom. The caricature of Uncle Tom was made by white men in blackface for minstrel shows to make Uncle Tom seem like an ignorant dancing happy slave to satisfy white people uncomfortable with the notion of a strong black man. In his insensitive, racist post he did not acknowledge that Uncle Tom was a slave that refused to tell the whereabouts of 2 female slaves who he hid to keep them from the sexual abuse they were getting from their owner. Sounds like an upstanding man to me. I'm sick of the constant Republican vs Democrat bs. It's an excuse to keep people from recognizing their own racist hearts. I was born in Loudoun County. I know the ugly history. Stop trying to defend the ugly hatred in some people's hearts. You can't hide anything from God no matter how much you clean up your outside. If Zurn thought his comment was wrong, why erase it? Stand for what you believe because apologizing when you dont mean it shows everyone exactly who you are.

Charles Houston

"White man in blackface." I didn't know Northam was that old.

Loudoun4Trump

Roger just needs to change political party to a democrat.....then he can wear a hood and moonwalk in blackface until is hearts content...and no one, including Koran, will say a word....

LoudounNative85

Why would he change parties when it seems he is perfectly at home where he is, and has been for years? Looks like members of his own party are flocking to defend him, and it’s the democrats who believe what he has done is wrong......

Loudoun4Trump

Democrats also founded the KKK which Northam dressed up in and was so proud of it put it in his yearbook....civil rights act of 60s was passed in spite of democrats, trail of tears, again democrtas exploiting people....democrats are the party of racists...they are just hating on whites now, that will change when the political winds change.....democrats need to hate hate and hate to survive...

Voltaire

L4T--the usage of hate is not the exclusive domain of the left. Right wing groups, such as fascists (like Adolf Hitler) used hatred against the Jewish community as a basis for political survival in pre-World War II Germany.

amerigirl

L4T. that was before they switched platforms and ideology. Brush up on your history, learn about the Dixiecrat's. Those democrats would be today's republican party. Listen to you spewing your hate and blaming hate on dems, sad. And the hateful story about Northam, which was never proven. Now repeating those rumors and lies, that's true hate.

Voltaire

L4T--is it really this hard to grasp the concept that there is a major difference between Northam/Herring/Fairfax's actions and the actions of Roger Zurn? For the umpteenth time, the actions that occurred and identified with both Mark Herring and Governor Northam occurred when they were private citizens before they entered politics. In the case of the Lt. Governor, the claims made against Justin Fairfax are just "allegations" that occurred before he became Lt. Governor. He has not been convicted by a trial court that is why they are allegations. He has done nothing yet to justify his removal from office. You had the option to judge the merits of those actions when they were candidates for their respective offices at the ballot box. They, as elected officials, have NOT done anything to justify removal. On the other hand, Roger Zurn committed his infractions as County Treasurer and deserves to be sanctioned/removed. Not real complicated.

applicant45554

Informative comments. I didn’t know this guy had assaulted a child. If I do known that, I would have never voted for him.

DrDoctor

FAIL!

One of Loudoun's esteemed elected official used very poor judgment in posting a tasteless quip on social media. We teach start teaching our elementary kids on what is proper when it comes to SM, but our Treasurer has not yet figured it out.

Sayonara Roger!

The exit door is open, but you don't see it quite yet.

Quick question....Do you like pancakes?

Asking for a friend.

RoundHillRes

It was a joke. Lighten up Francis.

LoudounNative85

Wow. So racist jokes are ok with you?

Voltaire

RoundHillRes--as an elected public official, Zurn should have known better.

LIfetimeLoudouner

The local democrat party and local NAACP commenting about a Zurn and a bad joke when they were silent when Governor KKK (governor Northam) had explicitly racist photos in his yearbook. Did they ask him to resign? NO. Again hypocrites. Zurn should have thought before tweeting but that’s a huge difference from governor KKK wearing a white pointed hood and white cloak.

You lost your moral high ground when you did not demand, protest, riot, sit in to force the Racist democrat governor out of office.

amerigirl

Which bad joke? Which racist joke, the one bout blacks or the one about Asians? How do you know they won’t ask him to resign? Time for a history lesson, and not the conspiracy the right spoon fed you. It is not a fact that it was Northam in the pic, investigated twice, unconfirmed twice. You can’t remove someone on a hunch. With Zurn it is a proven thing.

LIfetimeLoudouner

So a joke is just as bad as actually dressing as a KKK or wearing blackface and having a nickname of Coonman? Are you telling everyone that Democrat Governor Coonman Northam never looked at his yearbook or any of his friends or family ever looked at it? give me a break. If that was not him why did he not repudiate it back in the 80's - send a letter to his medical school condemning the picture. Also it was confirmed that his friends called him "Coonman". The picture of Democrat Governor Coonman in either a KKK hood or blackface is in print just as Zurn's joke was in print.

I agree with another poster Zurn should resign right after Democrat "Coonman" Northam, AG blackface Herring and Lieutenant Governor Rapist Fairfax all resign.

Voltaire

LL--actually, yes, if the individual is holding public office and committed these types of infractions (racist/insensitive joke, dressing as a KKK, wearing blackface, and/or having a nickname of "Coonman") and the commission of these infractions occurred while he was in office then that is a problem that needs to be rectified through disciplinary/removal methods. The incident involving Governor Northam occurred before Northam was in Virginia politics and elected Governor. This occurred while Northam was a private citizen (medical school student). This action did NOT occur during his term as Governor and therefore you cannot remove him on this basis, no matter how distasteful that is to you or others. Concerning AG Herring, the same argument applies in that his "blackface" incident occurred when he was a college student in 1980 and not while he is in the role of Attorney General for the Commonwealth of Virginia. Again, you cannot remove Herring, no matter how much you want to, because this activity did not occur during his term as Attorney General for the Commonwealth of Virginia. The charge of rape against Lt. Governor Justin Fairfax remains an allegation and to date has not been substantiated. So, again, you cannot remove him either as this did not occur during his tenure as Lt. Governor and further the charge right now is "allegation" as there is no definitive verdict coming from a court of law that states he is guilty of the charge of rape. However, in the case of Roger Zurn, there is sufficient evidence to show that these infractions occurred WHILE (emphasis added) he was in office and therefore should be removed as that behavior is unacceptable.

amerigirl

If it was the first time, he had done this type of joke and apologized I think that most people would just say it was poor judgement. The second time shows indifference. But look at our comment, you have assumed that it was Northam in that pic, it was never proven, Zurn as proven. You assume that was his nickname, when only 2 people in the entire school called him that and he doesn’t know why. It is the republicans and the haters that have made that a nickname. All of that you can easily fact check, but nobody ever bothers. Why would he have repudiated it in the 80’s? There were many other racist photos in that yearbook, did any of those people speak out? Don’t you think it was investigated? It was and it as impossible to draw any conclusions on who was in the pic, even using facial rec. But republicans have repeated it for so long that they now take it as fact, like it has been proven. However, even if you believe it was him why would that have a bearing on this? Are you trying to justify that Zurn shouldn’t be held responsible because someone else may have done the same thing?

Lawman

Lifetimeidiot, you are clueless. Besides appearing in this paper, the Then Loudoun NAACP President appeared on Fox MSNBC and CNN denouncing Northam. Google it if you know how to type. You are another Loudoun houseplant missing a stoop.

LIfetimeLoudouner

I still see Democrat Governor Coonman Northam in office - the Democrat's control Both houses in the state - they could have easily forced him out but they did not.

Voltaire

LL--Governor Northam SHOULD be in office. He has NOT done anything while in his official capacity to justify the recall/removal of him. The fact that both sides of the General Assembly are controlled by the Democrats means nothing here. If Governor Northam had done something egregious enough to warrant removal, the General Assembly would probably, despite political orientation, taken some action.

amerigirl

Lifer, how do you force someone out when most of the accusations against him are rumors perpetuated by republicans? You need real evidence, not the fact that republicans like to call him a racist name because they want to. I bet thousands of republicans call him that now but while he was in school only 2 people called him that.

CindyLou

This man is why....this man and 1/2 the Nation like him. It's not funny. This woman was an American hero. Overcoming horror most of us could never imagine. Making fun of suffering and calling out color during this current time in civil unrest is just not appropriate.

"Nancy Green (aka Aunt Jemima) was born into slavery. She was a magnificent cook. When she was "free", she rolled her talent into a cooking brand that General Mills bought and used her likeness. She was a storyteller, a cook, an activist and the first of several African Americans models hired to promote a corporate trademark as "Aunt Jemima. She died in 1923 as one of America's first black millionaires."

amerigirl

I hate dong this to you but that was a fake thing going around. It was debunked buy snopes, but it was not debunked until the same day you made your post. Green, who was born a slave in Kentucky in 1834, to portray Aunt Jemima at the World’s Fair in Chicago in 1893. Green, as Aunt Jemima, served pancakes to the crowd and told romanticized “stories” of her time on the plantation. While these stories were presented as if they were the genuine memories of Aunt Jemima, Green was, of course, just playing a fictional character. unable to find any specific details about how much Green was paid for her portrayal of Aunt Jemima. The evidence, however, suggests that Green did not become rich from her work and was likely paid a paltry sum.

Pre-yuppieLoudouner

Oh my God!How horrible!Time to mobilize BHA(Butt Hurt America)and have a "peaceful protest"!

rebeccapett

We have a long way to go...His post was unacceptable as another example of white privilege and ignorance. He needs to be removed from office.

Bud

Wasn't he charged with assaulting a boy, back in 2007?

Voltaire

Bud--you are correct. He was charged with criminal assault after he physically removed a 10 year old boy from his property trying to retrieve his dog that ran away.

CindyLou

Voltaire, wow, really? Who would do that?

amerigirl

I believe on the ballot he ran as a republican, guess that's who would do that

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Voltaire

Joeespo01--real cute. No, it was Roger Zurn who was arrested/charged with criminal assault for physically removing a 10-year boy from his property for retrieving his dog.

Virginia SGP

You all are upset that an elected official stopped another person from trespassing but have no concerns over the county attorney, Leo Rogers, beating his wife? Seriously?

amerigirl

SGP and you are not upset that he assaulted a 10 year for retrieving his dog? The person was, let me repeat this, a 10-year-old boy. What is wrong with that scenario? Any normal person would have helped the kid retrieve his dog. A nasty person would have said to get your dog off my property, but it takes a special kind of monster to after a child for something like that. Then you compare it to a domestic abuse case? Is that to divert from the subject? Nothing justifies either action. Nothing!

Voltaire

Virginia SGP--the case against Leo Rogers "beating" his wife is an unproven allegation that was not proven in a trial court in James City County. The wife, on the witness stand, refused to testify to the fact that he did any "beating" and the case was dismissed.

springerdad

SQUIRREL!!!

amerigirl

LOL

Loudoun Observer

Only one thing matters from here forward on this matter - is he a Democrat or a Republican? A Republican will be hounded and vilified until he resigns and never works again. For the same actions, a Democrat will retain office with huge support and often get re-elected. When you read the statement from the Loudoun Democratic party, think about Northam.

CindyLou

Loudoun Observer....when I think of the #ell this country is going through, think of Trump, our very own "bunker down buddy" HA! Bolton is gonna rock his world.

amerigirl

Not to mention his niece, how bad is trump that you have to have family sign NDA's ?

Voltaire

The signing of NDAs are a standard business practice and quite prudent in the competitive world of real estate.

amerigirl

Volt, with your family? I don't think so. Most of the NDA's he has recently had are to hide the truth from the American people.

Voltaire

AG--I believe that members of Trump's family are still running his real estate firm so that is probably why NDAs were signed.

amerigirl

Volt, this is his niece, not immediate family, though it has to be pretty sad if you can't trust your immediate family. Mary L Trump’s 'Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Man'

trk113

You mean like Al Franken?

amerigirl

SNL? What are you talking about?

Voltaire

LO--totally wrong here. Is DOES NOT matter if the person is Democrat, Republican, or Independent. The same standard applies to ALL which is "Did the individual commit the infraction in office?" If the answer to the question is no, then you CANNOT, no matter much you want to, remove that person through recall. If the infractions occurred during his time as a private citizen before election to the office, then you had your shot at judging his actions at the ballot box before election. Wow, not a real hard concept here....

Duncan Idaho

Zurn lives in the rarefied enclave of Beacon Hill, where I'm sure the only black people he's met are folks who clean the houses.

ace10

Wow.

You don't suppose there are any black families living in that development?

What would lead you to that assumption?

Be careful, your racism is showing...

Joeespo01

Yeah, losers like you who can’t even afford a house cleaner

Duncan Idaho

I'm really hurt by that. I mean, really hurt.

Loudoun4Trump

The article is hysterical....it goes on to explain that "Zurn is white" I couldn't tell by the picture, thanks for letting us know....another politician who has been in office waaaaay tooooo loooong....

ChocolateDinosaur

We can certainly do better than Zurn. This kind of lack of judgement warrants a deeper review. Time for an audit and then vote for a new treasurer.

jke

Zurn makes a joke and the crowd goes wild. Not exactly a Richard Pryor quip but with the wokes it can be blown out of proportion, lol!

Voltaire

JKE--as an elected public official, Zurn should have known better than to pull this "stunt". Also, there is a track record of him doing this type of behavior and that is not acceptable for a public official to do while holding office.

Lawman

This ain’t the first time, hopefully someone will catch the little cigarette smoking weasel out doing what he does best drinking and trying to pick up younger women and straighten his tail out.

santonemd@gmail.com

For 21 years this man has sent me a tax bill to pay for the development of Eastern Loudoun all the while neglecting western Loudoun. He gets paid $180,000 a year? OK it’s time to go he’s overstayed his welcome and privilege -topple him like the statue of racism that he is! And when is somebody going to get me adequate Internet out here in Western Loudoun that approximates what the rest of the world has-

workhardgetahead

Privledge? There are many people of other races that have privledge too. You know why?

Because they get educated and work hard and make alot of money and live the American dream. They dont play the victim and blame whitey for all of their lifes problems. How many minorities in Loudoun have homes worth more than 750K and have jobs that pay over 200K and drive Mercedes, BMW's and Porsches? Numerous. Ask them if they have privledge. Does Randall have privledge for being elected to the highest office in Loudoun? Shut up about privledge. Get tinng educated and working hard gets you privledge no matter race, color or creed.

Voltaire

Workhardgetahead--um, I believe that santonemd@gmail.com was referring to the "privilege" of serving as County Treasurer.

amerigirl

Whitey???? did you really say that? How would you suggest that poorer areas get better education?

Voltaire

AG--yes he did. Wow, doesn't begin to adequately describe that term usage.

Ryan Scarola

As a Loudoun County resident who just had to use Zurn's office last month, I'm disgusted. Hatred has no home here in a diverse county like Loudoun. I've written to Ibraheem Samirah, Chair Phyllis Randall, State Sen. Jennifer Barton Boysko, US Rep. Jennifer Wexton, US Sen. Tim Kaine, US Sen. Mark Warner, Gov. Ralph Northam, and Del. Jennifer Carroll Foy, calling for his immediate resignation.

My son through adoption is Black, and this comment is so racist and tone deaf, Zurn cannot serve the residents of Loudoun. Shame on him!

workhardgetahead

Hilarious you ask Ibraheem Samirah and Northam for someone's resignation. Oh the irony.

amerigirl

In your mind.

LoudounsFinest

The Sacramento Kings announcer Grant Napear was fired for saying “All Lives Matter”, Mr Zurn you’re next

hallrj

Anyone who knows Roger Zurn knows that there isn't a racist bone in his body. Everyone around him appreciates his quick-wit, humor, and sense of irony. It is well-represented in the body of work that is his Facebook page. Let's don't "throw stones" by reading something that isn't there into one comment.

Voltaire

Hallrj--apparently, as shown in stopit's post, this isn't the first time that the County Treasurer has been involved in questionable undertakings using social media. Further, in 2007, he was arrested/charged for assaulting a 10-year boy for coming onto his property to retrieve a dog. There appears to be a problem here.

Bunsnpigs

I remember that in 2007 and still the people re-elected him. Not me.

Loudooun independent

Yes. In the lead up to the trial, the judge refused to recuse herslelf even though her husband donated to Zurns campaingn. Go figure

Lynn Davis

So if he doesn't have a racist bone in his body what would have caused him to write such a racist post?

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Voltaire

Joeespo01--no, it was offensive.

LoudounNative85

Racist humor isn’t “quick witted” or “ironic”. It’s not even humorous - It’s just racist.

stopit

Mr Cline, I respectfully request that you edit your article which came out in a very timely fashion to include this: On March 27 Zurn posted, "China has released the names of the first two people to contract Coronavirus, Sum Ting Wong and Ho Lee F*ck." How is he still holding office? We pay a man this stupid almost $180,000 a year. How is that possible? your paper would not accept Zurn's profane comment the way he wrote it. . . but we have to accept him???

jke

And Trump signs a bill for Police reform while Northam spends taxpayer dollars pandering to voters with a state holiday. So who is working?

arbie7

It was a toothless executive order, not a bill. 😐

workhardgetahead

I guess defunding the cops would be an executive order that would please you.

Voltaire

Workhardgetahead--matters that involve the appropriation of government funds is not done by the executive branch or through the issuance of an Executive Order. That matter would be handled by the legislative branch through an appropriation bill.

amerigirl

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workhardgetahead

After DACA was allowed to stand on the Supreme Court Ibguess anything goes now when it comes to executive orders

amerigirl

Oh boy more executive orders to get locked by judges, throw them on the pie that have already been blocked. Federal judges blocking Trump administration policies in unprecedented numbers, like the one allowed employers to deny women free birth control benefits on religious and moral grounds, emporary restraining order preventing the Trump administration from carrying out new immigration rules that would block asylum status for people who did not enter the United States at a designated port of entry.etc, etc.

Voltaire

Arbie7--you are correct. It appears that some of the posters on this site need to take a Civics refresher course...

Virginia SGP

Voltaire, excellent point. You don't appear to understand how federal law works.

States reserve most of the authority for the use of force, education, you name it. Feds coerce them into following certain provisions by giving them discretionary funding. For examples, states need not accept education dollars. If so, they don't have to comply with SpEd laws or any number of other federal rules. But every state does accept it. And does comply. The $4B Race to the Top fund in 2009 coerced state education departments into all kinds of reforms.

Trump's executive order conditioned nearly $500M of funding per year (every single year) on the compliance with the reforms. Come back in a year and tell me which state does not comply. Hopefully, this executive order might educate so many on how federal funding forces reforms.

Voltaire

Virginia SGP--no, it appears that you do not understand the appropriation law process. The question is not whether the Federal Government can use funding, through grants, to make state governments change policy. Yes, that is standard operating procedure. It appears that a majority of posters on this site don't understand that the Executive Branch has ZERO authority to appropriate anything.

The Executive Branch, by the Constitution of the United States, does not have the authority to appropriate funds. So, I don't give a toss how much Trump promises in his Executive Order for funding to reform law enforcement. That is not binding as he doesn't appropriate the funds. The Congress of the United States, through the appropriations process will determine whether that Executive Order gets that funding through the appropriations process. An Executive Order is not a piece of legislation. Grants are funded through the appropriation that the applicable Department, in this case the Department of Justice, would get from the enacted legislation/apportionment process. It would appear you need to take a refresher in Appropriations Law.

Virginia SGP

Wow, aggressive ignorance once again.

Trump's executive order was based on $400M+ in discretionary grants. I will give you the definition of discretionary as you seem confused: "available for use at the discretion of the user [executive branch]."

In Race to the Top, it was the ... wait for it ...... EXECUTIVE BRANCH who decided who received the funds. Not the legislature.

If you are going to put yourself out as some kind of authoritative source, you really do need to get a clue.

Voltaire

Virginia SGP--OK, so where did the funding come from that is "available for use at the discretion of the user [executive branch]." It came through the appropriations process that is the responsibility of the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH, not the Executive Branch. Your quotation stated "Trump's executive order conditioned nearly $500M of funding per year on compliance with the reforms." That "$500M per year" is an appropriation issue and not an apportionment issue. Nobody said anything about the apportionment process which the Executive Branch is responsible for managing once the appropriations process is completed and the appropriations bill is signed. So, before you act holier than thou you should maybe learn what the subject is, no?

In Race to the Top, it was the ... wait for it ...... EXECUTIVE BRANCH who decided who received the funds. Not the legislature.

If you are going to put yourself out as some kind of authoritative source, you really do need to get a clue.

LoudounClear

Please don't mention Trump. America is sick to death of that lying sack of protoplasm.

Lynn Davis

Gaslight elsewhere and try to stay on point! Zurn is a racist a-hole and trump's bill is sorely missing the teeth needed for real reform. But again, two separate issues.

Joeespo01

When the thugs come for you, the cops won’t be there and oh well you get what you deserve

amerigirl

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amerigirl

[offtopic][offtopic][offtopic][offtopic][offtopic] What does that have to do with Zurn?

stopit

Zurn needs to resign. Juneteenth would be the perfect day for that.

LetSanityPrevail

If your examples of moral enlightenment like Omar or Tlaib haven't resigned for their out and out anti-semitic diatribes and lies, Mr, Zurn certainly shouldn't either. Seems double standards are totally acceptable. Your argument would be more solid if you would demand the same from others who have said much worse, but then again it seems it is fair game to criticize and malign Jewish Americans without any repercussions.

Voltaire

LetSanityPrevail--no, Roger Zurn has a record that is a little more severe that simple racism. He was accused/charged by authorities in 2007 with the criminal charge of assault for physically removing a 10-year-old boy from his property. The boy was retrieving a dog that had run away. Yes, Zurn should be gone.

amerigirl

What do they have to do with us? We live in Loudoun and we are the ones that are responsible for the image of Loudoun. If this was his first racist remark and he apologized that would be one thing but it isn’t. Time for him to go. You can make up all the conspiracy theories you want. What is his saving grace to keep his job?

LetSanityPrevail

Different issue so don't conflate the situation with his remarks and his other actions. You say he was charged by authorities? Was he found guilty?

amerigirl

Let's Even with the charges dropped it says volumes about the mans character. It still happened and he won't deny it.

Voltaire

LetSanityPrevail--actually, it is part of a pattern of behavior, both physically and verbally, that is not acceptable for a public official to behave. He was not convicted however that doesn't mean that his behavior should be considered acceptable.

scottva

Amen LetSanityPrevail! The next comment from someone will be "Uh, this is about Loudoun County and not some place else". You're 100% right

Voltaire

Scottva--this is about the Loudoun County Treasurer and his behavior and not about the actions of the two members of the "Squad". The behavior of those two members of Congress is the responsibility of the constituents that elected them (Michigan and Minnesota respectively). Zurn's behavior is not acceptable.

amerigirl

Of course it is, where do you live and vote? You could compare it to lots of things in lots of places it still would not make it the right thing for the people of Loudoun.

amerigirl

Psychic? try writing comments instead of predicting the future.

amerigirl

I hope the BOS asks for his resignation, perfect day for it.

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