Capitol construction during COVID

Workers construct a second tent on the House side of the Virginia capitol April 20. The House and Senate are meeting in separate locations for Wednesday's reconvene session due to the COVID-19 social distancing restrictions. 

Frustrations on social media surfaced soon after Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam (D) extended orders last week for residents to stay at home and for non-essential businesses to remain closed as a result of COVID-19.

Some small businesses and residents, eager to return to normal life and upset with what they say is the governor’s “overreach,” have aligned themselves with protest groups, including one dubbed Reopen Virginia.

“Reopen Virginia – as a group we are trying to stay laser focused on that," David Britt, a Reopen Virginia rally spokesperson, told the Times-Mirror. "This is all about getting Virginians back to work again so that business owners can take care of their employees, can pay their bills, that employees can pay their bills, can provide for their families, and keep Virginia strong for the Virginians.”

Since April 12, the Reopen Virginia and Virginians for Constitutional Rights 2020 Facebook groups had attracted more than 28,000 followers. The Reopen Virginia page changed its name to Virginians for Constitutional Rights on April 20, according to a Facebook screen grab.

The push to return to normalcy comes after the U.S. Department of Labor reported that there have been more than 415,000 unemployment claims filed in Virginia in the last month. The number of claims represents about 9 percent of the state’s workforce.

Reopen Virginia says it wants the governor to reexamine his orders and open the economy sooner than Northam's planned date of June 10.

Kristen Lynne Hall, a parent and small business owner, said she supports reopening the state’s economy. 

“As a parent, I feel Virginia should reopen because the recovery rate is extremely high and we shouldn't be forced to ‘stay home,’” Hall, a Virginia Beach resident, said. “Most parents have had to become their children's educators with the schools closing. Having libraries, zoos, aquariums, playgrounds, basketball courts, etc., all shut down is really taking a toll on their mental health and emotional health as well.”

Britt said he’s concerned that Virginians practicing strict social distancing for more than a month may have led to an increase of domestic violence incidents, substance abuse cases and mental health struggles. He added that he is worried about the potential for increased long-term unemployment, higher homelessness rates as well as a number of small businesses and restaurants potentially going out of business permanently.

“That is going to destroy the economy,” Britt said. “You'll have so many people out of work, and there won't be jobs because all those business owners are going to have to file bankruptcy. They'll default on some or all of their loans, which means they're not going to qualify to get capital to start another business for a long time. So yeah, the economy in Virginia will just disappear.”

The Virginia Restaurant, Lodging, and Travel Association said the restaurant industry has suffered significant sales and job losses since the outbreak. An estimated 78 percent of restaurant employees have already lost their jobs in Virginia, according to the association's survey of more than 6,500 restaurant operators nationwide between April 10-16. Furthermore, the study shows that in Virginia 29 percent of restaurants have closed temporarily, sales have declined by 77 percent and $1.3 billion in sales is estimated to be lost in April.

Americans across the country have clashed over when to reopen the economy amid the global health pandemic that has caused more than 40,000 deaths in America.

Supporters of reopening have held parades and marches at a number of state capitols. In Virginia, protesters plan to gather when the General Assembly reconvenes in Richmond on Wednesday.

President Donald Trump (R) has said he supports the protests to reopen. On Friday he tweeted, “LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!”  

But most health care workers, including doctors and nurses, have loudly opposed easing social distancing orders and have voiced their opinions on social media.

David Broder, president of SEIU Virginia 512, represents one of the largest group of health care workers in the commonwealth.

"Nurses, social workers, home care providers and other frontline workers are putting their lives on the line every day to keep our community safe," he said. "We should be listening to the public health experts, and making decisions based on science, not partisan tweets.”

Public health experts have broadly said it's too soon to fully reopen the country.

On Sunday, Gov. Northam was asked about reopening the commonwealth during CNN’s "State of the Union." He said before he reopens he would need testing capabilities ramped up, at least two weeks of coronavirus case numbers going down in the state and penitentiaries and nursing homes securing the personal protective equipment they need.

“As soon as we see all these things coming together, we will open up our businesses just as soon as we can," he said. "But we want to make sure that we do it responsibly, and we want to do it safely.”

In response to Gov. Northam’s remarks, Hall said, "I fully support a safe reopening with businesses taking the same precautions the big box stores are, [but] it should be between the business owner and their patron to both practice social distancing, hand washing, etc.”

In Loudoun County, Board of Supervisors Chairwoman Phyllis Randall (D-At Large) said “science and facts” have guided the decisions of county officials, and they will continue to do so.

Based on modeling information the county is using, Virginians are entering the “surge” period of COVID-19, and that will last until early to mid-May, Randall said.

In an effort to help local residents, the chairwoman said the county has extended the personal property tax deadline, increased funds to local food shelters and rental assistance programs and contacted all utility companies to ensure services will continue and late fees will not be assessed.

“Obviously, getting the Loudoun economy moving in a robust manner is important," Randall said. "However, the lives and safety of people eclipse my very real concern for our local economy.”

Loudoun Chamber CEO and President Tony Howard added the chamber has taken a “firm” position that this is a public health crisis and then an economic crisis. Howard said leadership has been in touch with more than 75 percent of the chamber's approximately 1,200 members about their views on reopening. He said all support the position he described – that this is a public health crisis first, followed by an economic crisis – except for one member.

“If we don't firmly address as much pain as this is causing, we don't firmly address the public health crisis that is presented to us right now, then we will not only make the economic crisis worse, but we have we can potentially drag it out even further," he said.

Loudoun County’s confirmed cases of coronavirus have risen to 468, with 59 patients hospitalized as of Monday. Eight Loudoun residents have died as a result of COVID-19. All of have been older than 65. Four victims were men and four were women. The last local death was reported April 16.

Statewide, Virginia had seen 9,630 confirmed cases and 324 deaths as of Monday. 58,354 people have been tested, and 1,581 have been hospitalized.

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LetsBreal

"Pelosi Pitches Universal Basic Income To Cope With Pandemic" - April 27, CNBC

Why bother working at all?

amerigirl

Do you think anyone could live on that income? Not to mention it is temporary.

amerigirl

Marv, are you the comment police? Can you really count?

marv

So far 114 comments and opinions have been generated by this article with 44 of the 114 from our expert on everything. We are indeed fortunate she is so willing to enlighten us.

amerigirl

Yes, you are lucky since you like to feed each other so many lies. Are you the comment police? Are you stalking me, is that why you are counting?

More Cowbell

Her dad was Cliff Clavin, use to be on the show Cheers.

FMW

Stay at home decree? I guess the gov didn't get the memo...isn’t he on vacation in North Carolina?

amerigirl

Wrong, he has not left the state, it has been verified by Dare County Sheriff's Office. Don't believe everything you read on social media, especially if it is right wing propaganda, Fact check it first.

EdMyers

Read about Typhoid Mary. We have a lot of those types. Failure to develop a national testing system in a timely manner is the root cause of the Trump Depression.

Jeanne T

FTA: "Frustrations on social media surfaced soon after Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam (D) extended orders last week for residents to stay at home and for non-essential businesses to remain closed as a result of COVID-19."

The Governor "extended orders". But they are NOT laws; they are edicts, decrees. There was no legislation voted on in the State legislature making these "orders" laws.

amerigirl

Jeanne, they are Executive orders and enforceable. Even the extension was an Executive order NUMBER FIFTY-SIX (2020). They don't need to be voted on, just as the Trump Executive Orders don't need a vote.

Jeanne T

amerigirl, you are right, they are executive orders. But you did call them laws. Just saying. But they aren't laws.

pual mase

Amerigirl gets caught in a lie and then doubles down.

amerigirl

Really no difference, the legal term is the force of law, Tomato, tomato. That doesn't work real well in print does it?

amerigirl

It's not like he extended the order because it was fun. He knows this is hurting the economy of the state that he represents and it looks bad on him. But the cases and deaths are still rising. They had double in 1 week. Let's wait and see what happens in GA.

LoudounMarine

Research by Switzerland has indicated when children do get the virus, they are usually not seriously affected, children simply can’t carry enough virus to infect another person, whether it be playmate, sibling, parent, or granny in the old folks home. ... food for thought as we continue to evaluate the impact the virus has had on society ...

amerigirl

And yet a 5-year-old girl from MI died yesterday. She did not leave her house in Detroit for weeks; though both her parents are first responders, neither of them had tested positive for the virus when she started feeling ill. Doctors have reported that coronavirus appears to be causing sudden strokes in adults in their 30s and 40s who are not otherwise terribly ill, a seven-fold increase during the past two weeks. In Italy, one of the largest outbreaks in the world, 10% to 15% of all people in intensive care are under 50. Everyone is doing studies and many of those studies contradict others. Until more info is gathered it seems like we just have the standard ‘older people and those with underlying conditions, but that isn’t always the case.

pual mase

Citing anecdotal evidence of rare occurrences does not change the overwhelming statistical evidence that children are not as susceptible to the virus. You seem to use statistics when it suits your agenda and play fast and loose with statistics when it suits you.

amerigirl

Pual, citing her death just shows that it can happen to children, even though they are not as susceptible to the virus. I use stats because they are the stats and if they fit my agenda, too bad, they are the truth and put out there for a reason. You can’t play fast and loose with statistics. They are statistics what do you think people who track the virus rely on? Stupid statement you made. Next you will say people with underlying conditions shouldn’t have the same rights as you even though 40% of the US population has some underlying conditions.

LoudounMarine

No other business segment within the economy is as exposed to the population as the retail food business; and yet supermarkets operate without issue.

“It is easier to be fooled, than to convince people they have been fooled.” - Mark Twain.

amerigirl

People,have to have food, it is a necessity. Supermarkets operate without issue? No they have their staff masked. They don't take it lightly at all. You've been fooled.

LoudounMarine

First, with approximately 90 percent of the total U.S. population penetrating through grocery outlets; and with 100% of that massive number of consumers going through checkout lanes; if the COVID-19 viral strain was as significant as claimed by the worst-case data, then supermarket cashiers would have been the highest exposed profession of U.S. workers in the entire nation. There wouldn’t even be a close second place.

“It is easier to be fooled, than to convince people they have been fooled.” Mark Twain.

pual mase

People have to have food and and people also have to work to support themselves and their families.

Who are you to judge?

pual mase

If supermarket workers can successfully operate with precautions why can’t other businesses? Stop fooling yourself

LetsBreal

Biden advisor Zeke Emanuel on April 7, 2020: "Realistically, COVID-19 will be here for the next 18 months or more. We will not be able to return to normalcy until we find a vaccine or effective medications," he said. "I know that's dreadful news to hear. How are people supposed to find work if this goes on in some form for a year and a half? Is all that economic pain worth trying to stop COVID-19? The truth is we have no choice."

Someone yank him off stage soonest. People may not be dying of COVID, but they'll be murdering each other at home as their houses are foreclosed on and twenty years of retirement savings goes poof! Better start getting realistic with timelines.

amerigirl

Let’s, exactly what do you think is wrong with that statement? I’m not defending him because I don’t think he is a medical expert and if he wants to voice his opinion that is up to him. He should also expect backlash.

People are dying from the virus, there is no “may not be”. Funeral directors in Virginia are saying that they believe the death rate is much higher because of the increase they are seeing. Banks are not allowed to foreclose on home during the disaster. Better get realistic with facts.

If anyone should be yanked off the stage it should be trump for all his lying at the briefings. If you watched yesterday you saw how many times he made statements that the press told him weren’t true. Like trump investigates anything, he wings it. He was even laughed at and retorted with “That’s not funny John” . He is more of a failed standup comic who is making up stories to to get his way.

LoudounMarine

ag - as you said, lets get realistic with the facts ... your 'observation' that funeral directors 'think' the death toll is much higher than reported tells me everything I need to know about what you think passes for facts! ... seriously, you then make the case that because the 'press' disputes something Trump says it is not true. All you need to know about the press is the recent story about Dr. Rick Bright the FDA official who was 'supposedly' reassigned because he opposed the use of Hydroxychloroquine ...

well as it turns out ... In March, Rick Bright requested the FDA issue an "Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for emergency use of oral formulations of chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate for the treatment of 2019 coronavirus disease (COVID-19)..." ... hmm, me thinks the "Press" doth try to deceive the feeble minded ...

pual mase

if the media says Trump is lying you know he is telling the truth..

The media clowns with their gotcha questions waste everyone’s time including the WH task force . We’d be better off with a townhall style audience where real people asked questions without the idea;logical agenda to manufacture a headline and take down Trump.

amerigirl

Marine, my observation is from the ‘Virginia Mercury’ article called ‘Virginia’s ‘probable’ COVID-19 death counts don’t match the experience of funeral directors’. Maybe read it before you make baseless accusations. Please don’t tell me what I need to know according to you. I really don’t care about Bright so what are you trying to prove? I already heard every point you mentioned on MSNBC. It depends what press or news media you use. I prefer one that says where they got their sources and if they have been able to verify them or not. Are you being medieval?

amerigirl

Pual, you have fallen so far down the trump tunnel to hell that you can’t see any truth anymore. If they say trump is lying then all of the media, with all of their individual research are all lying. That sounds so insane. They are only gotcha questions because trump is lying and getting caught. You have so much ideology surrounding trump it is scary. Open your eyes. You should worry about the WH task force, but more about Alex M. Azar at HHS which runs FEMA. The person who he placed as head of his pandemic team, (what background?)l Brian Harrison, was running a dog-breeding business for six years. GO Labradoodles!!!

LoudounMarine

"Virginia’s ‘probable’ COVID-19 death counts don’t match the experience of funeral directors" ... this statement is clearly NOT based on facts, the title uses the word 'probable' ... this statement is based on observations of funeral directors who are not doctors and who are not experts on the cause of death ... better get realistic with the facts!

Jeanne T

Over 97 percent of those who contract the virus survive. Americans have lost 565 jobs (26.5 million) for every confirmed US death from COVID-19 (46,785) in the U.S. Food stamp benefits are up 40%, according to the Department of Agriculture.

"....what is most disturbing is that in the last five weeks, far more Americans have filed for unemployment than jobs gained during the last decade since the end of the Great Recession... (22.13 million gained in a decade, 26.46 million lost in 5 weeks)"

Let that sink in.

By the way, did anyone cross-examine Dr. Fauci on his proposals?

amerigirl

Jeanne, 3% of the population is not disposable. If we need to rely on the government to get trough this then we should, we have been paying taxes and part of those taxes go into government departments that were created for emergencies and crisis. If American need to file for unemployment, they should. Jobs will come back, the market is doing well considering, and that unemployment is temporary. You use the great Depression as an example, the country got through it, the market recovered. None of this is going to last forever they are already looking for ways to safely reopen parts of the country without having to make people sick or dead. Once those people go back to work, they will start paying taxes again that will refresh monies to the government.

There are people carrying sign in these protests that say Sacrifice the weak and natural immunity over man made poison. That is not what our country is built on, it sounds more like Nazi Germany.

Was Dr. Fauci on trial? What do you mean about cross-examine? And what proposal?

hardworkingamerican

Well it is too bad that no one is reporting the increase in drug use, alcohol use, stress related emergency calls, anxiety attacks, domestic violence, suicides and the list goes on. The fact still remains the cure is more deadly than the disease. Enough is enough. No one obeys any of the rules and laws in any store and by the way the masks stop people who have it from spreading it, they do not stop you from getting it. Big misunderstanding on that. Stop this insanity, get rid of Northam and let America get back to work before we all die.

amerigirl

Why do you guys keep saying that he cure is more deadly than the disease? If there was a cure than we could eradicate the disease. You're right, enough is enough, people like you that want to break laws that are temporally in place because you feel your rights are being violated but you never take into consideration the rights of others to stay safe. Wearing masks in stores is required by some, not all stores. Wearing a mask is a suggestion not a law. You are no doctor or you would know that there are some masks that will keep you from getting it like N95's. They are not available right now because there is a pandemic! You last sentence contradicts itself.

Jeanne T

It isn't a "cure" that is more deadly than COVID-19. It is the economic fallout that WILL have far more consequences, including the closing, most likely permanent, of thousands of businesses. As I posted before, for every confirmed case of COVID-19 in the U.S., there are now 565 Americans who have lost their jobs. Many small businesses will very possibly never come back.

Now, when you aren't working, you're not paying into the system. You may get "benefits" for a short time, but how long will that money last when as of today 26.5 million Americans have lost their jobs. The Government gets its money from taxpayers, in other words, people who have jobs.

It is absolutely unconscionable that people here are mocking those who are desperate to work, who have lost their jobs, their businesses, and the means to feed their families. Will they be mocking those who commit suicide over this crisis, too?

I will confidently wager that those who are criticizing others for wanting to get back to work have not lost their jobs or have a business that is closed. Stop it, already. Stop with the name calling ("pro-life freaks", for example). If you feel it is really necessary to call someone names, then do it in person to the face of someone who is struggling. But I assume those who are doing this don't have the guts to say these things to someone's face.

pual mase

The objective is not just to survive the virus. The objective is to survive and defeat the virus AND to save the country fro economic collapse. Myopic focus on just the medical factors is a sure way of ensuring an economic depression. It would seem liberals are either too stupid to get that or believe that a depression is worth it to damage Trump.

amerigirl

Jeanne, The reopening is supposed to start in Virginia in 2 weeks and small business should be getting money from the new bill soon. I would bet that even if they did open today, they wouldn’t see the volume they needed to stay afloat because the majority of people won’t be out in public. The latest CBS poll has that 63% of people are worried about opening too fast and the outbreak getting worse. Only 37% worry about it opening too slow and the economy getting worse. Opening doesn’t mean that businesses will be patronized if people feel their health and life will be threatened. Now is the time to think of how to re-open and set up your business to make it a safe environment. Prepare you business to have the capacity for social distancing, make sure any returning employees have masks to prevent spread etc. The safer people feel in an establishment the more traffic you will have.

Sure, the govt gets money from taxpayers, but they have been collecting it forever and will continue to in the future. No one is mocking people who want to get back to work, most people want that. People also want to be healthy and live. People are not criticizing others for wanting to work, their criticism is aimed at those who think that other people are disposable and less important than people having a job 2 weeks ahead of the scheduled date. You have to admit that people who say they are pro-life but are willing to chances with other peoples live because they are already born is pretty hypocritical. You will not see faces in a comment section so more or less they are saying it to your face. And Jeanne, we all are struggling right now, not just small businesses.

springerdad

There are 3 camps posting from what I can tell.

Camp 1 - They are people that want to close down everything until everyone is tested and the number of people with the virus is zero. They could care less about the short or long term effects on the economy. As long as they are safe the struggles of other people do not concern them.

Camp 2 - They are the people screaming to open everything right now and lets just get on with life. It does not matter if I get it or spread it I need to work to feed my family. The strong will survive and the others oh well.

Camp 3 - They are people that realize that we need to balance opening things up slowing while following social distancing and wearing a mask while protecting the most vulnerable.. They realize that there are so many people that are not getting paid right now and are struggling to pay their mortgage and feed their family. If the economy is destroyed their will be no jobs for them to go back to.

Studies from Scientists are showing that 30 to 50% of the people infected show little to no symptoms at all. This is why they are saying the mortality rate is much lower then previously thought. While that is a good thing we need the Federal Government to provide the support needed to ramp up testing.

That is why I fall in Camp 3. I protect myself when I go out and expect people and businesses to do the same while they are allowed to re-open.

amerigirl

Agreed

pual mase

well said Springerdad.

I’ll see you with the rest of the rational people in Camp 3.

Don’t let the crazies send us to economic oblivion!

amerigirl

Are you planning to leave camp 2?

pual mase

Can’t hear you with all the Camp 1 hysterical crying around you.

Don’t assume those that want to get to Camp 3 are are reckless as you remain stuck in Camp1 and move the goalposts so you can remain comfortable in camp 1 while society falls apart. Then again maybe thats your goal?

More Cowbell

Camp 4, should have closed everything down for 2-3 weeks 3-4 weeks ago. You can't test everyone at the same time and have results in real time, which is what they'd have to do. Only person I know who's tested positive, is 27(cousin), type 1 diabetes. She claimed she was sick for 2-3 days, was around her parents for a week quarantined prior to becoming sick, her parents are mid 60s, neither showed any sickness and neither were tested. VA's numbers are bad due to nursing homes, retirement homes.

amerigirl

Lucky you, I know 2 people who have died from it. Virginia and the metro areas are still on the rise, no plateau yet. Testing fro antibodies should start as the decline starts. Regular testing should have started and been widely available a long time ago.

Pablo

Camp 4 (or is it 5?) - Slowly re-open only after you have enough testing resources and contact tracers in place that you can identify the newly infected, trace who they've seen, and isolate the people they contacted them. Masks & social distancing help, but they don't stop you from becoming infected by touching your face after touching a contaminated surface.

The SARS-CoV-2 virus is tough to contain because it has a "Typhoid Mary" phase where people are infections without showing symptoms, so it requires a lot of testing and contact tracing to it in check. If you let up too early you'll just repeat what happened in 1918, when people let their guard down after the first wave and lost twice as many dead in the second wave, and then we'll have lock down all over again. If you think closing businesses to check a pandemic is "destroying the economy", just wait until you see what a real, uncontrolled pandemic will do to all those businesses and their jobs in addition to killing a lot more people.

The truth is that no one really knows what the mortality rate is because people weren't being tested - both survivors and fatalities, such as the woman who died in early February out in California whose samples weren't tested until this last week. All we really know is the number of people who saw doctors and were either diagnosed and cured, or who were diagnosed and died.

amerigirl

You must have been a boy scout, I like your camp.

lburgerva76

Let's carefully open! The most vulnerable now have the knowledge how to stay safe. What we need to focus on is eliminating financial ruin for a lot of folks.

amerigirl

Isn't the govt passing bills for that?

pual mase

The govt bills you place such faith in are no more than a temporary patchwork of relief programs that by no means guarantees business and job survival.

amerigirl

pual, exactly, a means of survival until this is over. Why cause more deaths when Virginia is reporting it's highest numbers ever?

LoudounMarine

ag - what bills are the government passing that you are referencing? the PPP??? Do you even understand how that works? Do you have even a basic understanding of the economy?

amerigirl

Marine, The House approved a $480 billion package to help small businesses and hospitals and expand Covid-19 testing.

CindyLou

Hey all you pro-life Supporters...(I am pro-life), what about the elderly? Or don't they matter? 11 Residents Die at Care Facility in Herndon, 88 were tested and 63 WERE POSITIVE! Yeah, everyone go back to the winery, the movies, the soccer games, the malls, the stores, and we will be the next New York on the map.

amerigirl

Excellent point!

More Cowbell

That's where testing needs to be done, anyone entering a facility like that but until they can get real time results, it will be impossible to know who infected who.

amerigirl

They're working on that tracking system.

Jeanne T

First you say you are "pro-life". Then you call "pro-lifers" freaks. Which is it?

Astroturfing is the attempt to create an impression of widespread grassroots support for a policy, individual, or product, where little such support exists. Multiple online identities and fake pressure groups are used to mislead the public into believing that the position of the astroturfer is the commonly held view. No surprise, it is heavily practiced in Russia. Also a favorite of America's radical right. That's what we're seeing with these "reopen/liberate" groups. One can hope Darwinism straightens this out soon enough...

pual mase

Wow the red-nose clown can use a dictionary. He must have graduated 3rd grade.

amerigirl

You mean trump. No he will stick with his 3rd grade words; the best, like no one has ever seen, beautiful, Believe me, Stupid, Crazy, Fake news, Loser, Great, Mini, Incredible, etc etc. and don't forget Covfefe

pual mase

At least he can put a sentence together unlike Biden. Didn’t Biden call the virus COVID 9 when he finally realized where he was and that he was supposed to say something after being nudged by his caretaker wife?

amerigirl

Pual sometimes trump can put a sentence together, sometimes they don't make sense, like shooting down ships. He can't make a sentence without superlatives (his opportunity to use the big words he knows) and misspellings.

ace10

Can someone share the set of criteria Governor Coonman has established which, once met, will allow Virginia to get back to work?

Loudoun4Trump

Open up VA this weekend....the fear from the left and the models that are never right have herded a lot of people at the governments demand....tyranny isn't far behind....live free or die....

Duncan Idaho

You first.

amerigirl

Yeah, if you live free you could easily die. there is a big difference between tyranny and safety. The laws are in place for now. Try not to be a criminal.

antennaTV

First step: Mandate wearing face masks in grocery stores. This has got to help the spread. Someone standing next to me blowing smoke in my face would be considered outrageous. How is COVID-19 different? We no longer allow people to walk into a grocery store smoking and that is seen as perfectly acceptable. Many unmasked people walking around grocery stores standing to close to everyone else. If they close stores and make them pickup only we will know whom to thank. Second step: Monitor Maryland license plates in grocery store parking lots around Loudoun - particularly on weekends. Maryland has a higher rate of infection than Loudoun. Although, maybe these folks actually live in Loudoun and have found a benefit to having Maryland tags. Let the rest of us know.

pual mase

Sounds like antenae TV would be comfortable living in the old Soviet Union.

Now go snitch on your neighbor.

amerigirl

pual, in case you missed it. Some places are already requiring masks to enter their premises.

pual mase

There’s a big difference for a private business to require masks and an unconstitutional government mandate that has police issuing fines and arrest. Then again you may prefer such fascism.

amerigirl

pual, How is that unconstitutional? It is the constitution that gives the governors the authority to make those decisions. If a Governor makes an Executive order it is law. If one violates that order they can be arrested. That is not fascism, that is the constitution. The same goes with all the Executive orders that trump has put in place, many of them regarding the virus.

pual mase

Why don’t you show off your search skills and demonstrate where the constitution gives government the power to require face masks.

Where does the constitution give executive orders the status of law? Executive orders and even laws are struck down by judges as unconstitutional all the time. Typical fascist ploy to view executive overreach as law that must be obeyed or your neighbors will snitch on you and get you arrested.

amerigirl

Pual how can you be so lazy that you can’t look up anything for yourself. If you don’t have to see it then it doesn’t exist, right? Executive orders issued by state governors are not the same as statutes passed by state legislatures but have the force of law, like in the federal system. State executive orders are usually based on existing constitutional or statutory powers of the governor and do not require any action by the state legislature to take effect. March 21, 1942, Congress had passed Public Law 503, which made violation of Executive Order 9066 a misdemeanor punishable by up to one year in prison and a $5,000 fine. AND read the Tenth Amendment

Charles Houston

Northam must suffer from a neurological form of the virus.

EdMyers

The liberate ruckus proves again that lots of people who claim to be pro-life actually aren't.

LoudounMarine

Pro "Innocent" Life!

Jeanne T

Stop your whining, Ed. You seem to have a rather nice life, judging by your FB page. You're working and you can feed your family. You don't have a small business that has closed down. And yet, you complain. You haven't posted anything about how you might be helping those who have lost their jobs and their businesses. Why not/ And if you aren't doing that, you're just a whining hypocrite.

LetSanityPrevail

Jeanne, I wish some of these whinners and complainers would really do the research at the source, not what they hear as sound bites. CDC has a wonderful site that lists mortality rates by demographic and it is definitely eye opening. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

CindyLou

Exactly, all the pro-life freaks that don't care about the elderly and those with compromised immune systems. However, there are many people dying that are HEALTHY AND HAVE ZERIO HEALTH ISSUES! I think these people that want things to open back up need to go into a COVID19 ward, where everyone is bed to bed on ventilators, with a mask of course, and spend time with them knowing that most will die. These same people say that the people "over 60, need to take one for the team? Who are these people? They disgust me.

tolerantleft

pro-life "freaks", interesting..... Wonder what you think of Guv Northam and his post-birth abortion stance.

amerigirl

tol, still haven't read that law that was actually created by republican Bob McDonnell! It might interfere with the lies that you spread about abortion because you would rather see a baby gasping for air and in pain until it dies then sedate it.

pual mase

The indefinite shutdown hysteria proves again that lots of people who claim they are pro-worker aren’t.

amerigirl

Did anyone but you say it was indefinite? May 8th is not indefinite.

amerigirl

Marine, are older people or people with diabetes, hypertension, or autoimmune diseases not innocent? If not what are they guilty of?

LoudounMarine

ag ... my comment was in response to the slight made against Pro Life supporters ... Pro 'Innocent' Life is a reference to the innocent lives destroyed by abortion. The mere fact that people want to re-open the country is in no way a conflict with Pro-Life beliefs ... neither does it reflect a lack of respect for our vulnerable population during this pandemic.

amerigirl

Marine, do you think that pregnant women can’t get the virus and transmit it to their babies? It is a conflict when you believe that one life is more important than another. That alone is a lack of respect to the vulnerable. If the pope got it because he is old would you say that wasn’t an innocent life? There are doctors and nurses who are innocent and trying to save the lives of the same people who are protesting and endangering their lives. They are dying, literally, to protect lives.

amerigirl

marine, and older people or those with health conditions are guilty of what? Why are they not considered innocent?

sterlingcl

I’ve noticed my comments are rarely approved. Very sad.

marv

Meet a friend. Did you ever notice how someone who knows everything about everything has rapid approval?

TrazomAW

Go ahead and "re-open." Those of of us 60 and older are usually blessed with common sense and will be watching from the safety of our homes as the rest of you engage in folly and play with fire.

LoudounMarine

TrazomAW ... I respectfully will reply to your comment. I respect your decision and hope you and your family will stay safe through this pandemic ... but there are many who have far worse situations than being able to watch from the safety of their homes ... some live paycheck to paycheck and need to work to put food on the table for their families ... many of them are younger less fortunate and possible immigrants without a familial support structure to fall back on ... they 'need' the county to re-open.

amerigirl

Isn't the govt giving them money? haven't bill collectors and rent people been told to ease up? Can't they go to food giveaways?

pual mase

How elitist can you be suggesting the unemployed ought to satisfied going to food lines, collecting welfare and stiffing their landlords?

Must be nice to have all this time to post your drivel incessantly while dissing the unemployed.

amerigirl

Pual, how elitist do you have to be to think that people shouldn’t go to food pantries or take free food in a crisis? I bet if your family was going hungry you wouldn’t use SNAP, I bet your too proud. It is not welfare; you have paid taxes all your life and in emergencies the govt steps in to help out. The same thing happens after wildfires and hurricanes. Who is stiffing landlords? The payments are deferred, they are still paid. It is you that is dissing the unemployed by saying those things. Why do you think neighbors’ step in to help out with food and other things if it isn’t to help their neighbors that have fallen on hard times? Don’t you think that the same people who are in need today will be the ones that help their neighbors later when they need it? You think I’m posting drivel, it sure beats posting lies and snobbish remarks.

LetSanityPrevail

Since you are in the 'at risk' demographic it makes sense for you to take precautions, wear gloves, wear a mask, distance from groups. Perhaps you are also independently wealthy as well so that your source of income hasn't been compromised and you do not risk losing your house, car, feeding your family, and so on. People have to take risks...life is a risk. You do what you need to do, others need to balance the risk with the loss of everything else they have.

amerigirl

It doesn't just hit people in the high risk groups. One of my sons lost a 29 year old friend who was very healthy until this. People need to minimize the risk. Listen to Birx, it needs to be done slowly and by communities. Those others that want to take the risk are forcing everyone they come in contact with to also take the risk. They will still use the same places to get their groceries and other supplies.

amerigirl

So how do I do it when my husband is essential and I am high risk? Am I suppose to give up my right to sleep next to him, touch or even get a hug from him because people can't wait a little bit longer to stop the spread? People don't take risks all the time. In the real world there are people that care for their parents, have immune deprived children, have cancer, diabetes or other disease that don't want to take that risk but will still need to interact with those that do take the risk. Where is your right more important than their right to life?

LetSanityPrevail

Amerigirl, your argument is nonsense. First of all the vast majority of those where the fatalities occur are over 65, look at the CDC site for yourself and stop with the exceptions. We cannot live in a world without risk as much as you think we can. As to the issue of your husband being essential and you are afraid of catching the virus, there are efforts to allow those people to get exemptions to work remotely as they are doing now. I am in the same boat and I know for a fact that employers are being strongly encouraged to make exceptions to those people who might have a compromised spouse or child. It is nice that you can afford not to work, that you don't have to worry about feeding your family or paying your car payment, your mortgage or the longer this drags on lose your job entirely. Please stop your obsession that opening up means disregarding implementing in a sane way. No one is suggesting opening restaurants or sports venues or mass gatherings. What people are asking for is a relaxation of business restrictions, opening parks, and people can still take precautions.

amerigirl

Sanity so what you are saying is that a couple generations of people in the US are disposable? It also does NOT stick to a certain group of people, look at the infection rate of first responders, nurses, doctors and caregivers. They are doing a job that others are making worse by spreading it. They should be at higher risk because of people who want haircuts, spa visits, tattoos or can’t wait a little longer to start working. They are getting money from the govt. they can get free food at different places. Exceptions don’t count? Oh please, I hope you won’t rely on them treating you if you get it. You think it is nice that I can afford not to work? I am collecting social security, it’s not much. The reason I can afford it is because my husband is an essential worker. I still need to feed us, make car payments, and pay my mortgage. Why would being in retirement, which I worked over 50 years to take, mean that I stopped having bills? Yes, we have those same worries there is no guarantee that my husband will have his job by the end of this and he still has 6 more years before he can retire. I’m all for opening slowly when the decline starts but not while it is still on the rise. People are suggesting that they open places that could easily spread the virus. From Richmond: Welsh said she’s not minimizing the virus, but everyone deserves to choose whether or not to stay open or stay home. Signs that say reopen Virginia remove tyranny, we will not comply, my body my choice to work. The weird thing I noticed is that in protest pics it looks like some of the people are traveling state to state to be in the protest.

Pac1010

Both my wife and I are over 60, as are most of our friends and almost all of us cannot wait for this idiotic quarantine to end. If you want to stay cowering in your house by all means do but let the rest of us get back to to our lives. With only 350 cases (8 fatal) in a population of 413,000 we will take our chances.

amerigirl

Do you think it has peaked?

pual mase

Why is it folly to go back to work, support your family and avoid the misery and death of an economic depression?

It’s not one o r the other.

Let’s go back to work, if your employer isn’t already out of business, and practice safe practices while protecting the vulnerable as best we can.

tolerantleft

You must be crazy. Americans are too stupid to take care of themselves.

Didn't you read amerigirl's comment?

The guvment is giving money away and they can to go to food giveaways.

amerigirl

So you avoid misery and death. Folly? who talks like that?

LoudounNative85

There are 3 groups on Facebook called “reopen Virginia” - the total, between the the three groups, is about 1300 people. Clearly, fact checking is not your strong suit.

sterlingcl

Over 400,000 people a year die from cigarettes, 40000+ from second hand smoke. We don’t shut down the country because of it. Let me keep my distance from people and wear a mask so we can save lives and the economy.

DavisB

If only you could guarantee that you did not spread the virus to me and others...there is not so wear a mask, eat at home, wash your hands, and stay the heck away from the rest of us

LoudounMarine

DavisB - I can guarantee that sterlingcl will not spread the virus to you if you stay in your home! If you can't stay in your home, how are you any different than sterlingcl?

amerigirl

Marine, you cannot guarantee that to Davis.He may be in the same situation as me. I stay home but my husband is essential. We have been social distancing for so long I can't even remember when it started. But even with that he could still bring it home, People still need essentials and even if they stay as much as possible they still need to go to doctor appointments and get groceries.

ace10

Your logic... it's totally broken.

LoudounMarine

ag - in your hypothetical, it would be your husband spreading the virus to you and not sterlingcl ... in your case, since you are at high risk the impetus would be on your husband to prevent infecting you by social distancing both at work and at home ... we are seeing examples of this by healthcare professionals all over the country.

amerigirl

No Marine, what would keep sterlingcl from contacting my husband. You assume that those people like sterlingcl would never be anywhere that they wouldn’t be in contact with others. Even with precautions, and his are good, there are no guarantees. Do you expect him to work a full day without eating or drinking? For every restroom he uses to be empty? As I said, we do social distance, separate bedrooms, bathrooms, etc. We do everything we can, and even we slip up once in a while. Those are not on purpose, like coming around the corner to find the other one is right there. Social distancing is working but it isn’t always the answer. They have found many cases now that people that are following the same practices I am are still getting it.

JoeInLeesburg

Completely uneducated, misguided, and plain stupidity in your response @sterlingcl. cigarette and second-hand smoke aren't communicable diseases. You really need to think before you post ridiculous comments.

I agree with @TrazomAW....I'm not over 60...not even in my 50's....but I'll gladly sit at home watch all the morons go out and "reopen" Virginia. I truly hope that those that decided to do so, don't become infected and unknowingly infect someone that has a compromised immune system, or worse yet, have young children at home that they go infect. If that happens, we can only hope that those that decided to go "reopen" Virginia contract the virus and suffer greatly from it.

LoudounMarine

JoeinLeesburg - Exposure to secondhand smoke causes an estimated 41,000 deaths each year among adults in the United States: Secondhand smoke causes 7,333 annual deaths from lung cancer. Secondhand smoke causes 33,951 annual deaths from heart disease.

amerigirl

Marine, it still is not a communicable disease. They have created laws so you don't have very much exposure to second hand smoke. Most of those death are people who don’t smoke in restaurants or many public places because it is illegal to do so. So there are 41,000 dying a year from second hand smoke, but about 48,000 have died from coronavirus in just a few months. I know which is the greater evil and the highest threat.

Duncan Idaho

As Dan Patrick said: Sacrifice grandma and grandpa for the sake of the stock market.

ace10

Dan Patrick makes millions from a business which benefits from people staying at home and consuming media daily. Maybe he has an agenda?

amerigirl

Ace, of course he has an agenda. A Republican picks money over lives again.

LoudounClear

You are almost correct...but to "reopen" before we've even peaked in the spread of this virus is madness and very anti-social. Once we see several weeks of declining cases, by all means, we begin to phased renewal of normal patterns of living.

CindyLou

Really and then there are the ones like you!! HAHAHAHAHA! Cigarettes, car accidents, cancer....really? Do you have any idea what just happened and is happening in New York???? 400 a day! dead! That does not happen from any of these things mentioned. In one city (New York), in 2 1/2 months, they had 139,000.00 confirmed COVID19 cases and over 10,657 in 6 weeks???? People won't listen, they are not listening now. Go to Wegmans, most don't have a mask on. Whatever.....carry on.

amerigirl

What does that have to do with an infectious disease and a pandemic? Trump just weakened the EPA so bad that cigarettes are probably the least of your worries. Wait til we start having smog alert days again.

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