Confederate Monument in Leesburg

The Confederate soldier monument in front of the county courthouse in Leesburg.

With Confederate monuments and symbols being taken down across the south, the Times-Mirror last weekend reached out to Loudoun's U.S. representative and members of the Board of Supervisors, General Assembly and Leesburg Town Council to get their take on the Leesburg Confederate monument. The statue has stood in front of the Loudoun County Courthouse in downtown Leesburg for more than a century. We asked two questions:

-Do you believe the Confederate monument in front of the county courthouse in Leesburg is appropriate in 2020 America?

-Do you support removing and/or relocating the Confederate monument in front of the county courthouse in downtown Leesburg? If you do support removal or relocation, what actions are you taking to accomplish your goal?

We have not heard back from the following elected officials: Leesburg Town Council members Thomas Dunn and Suzanne Fox; State Sens. Barbara Favola (D-32nd) and Jill Vogel (R-27th); and State Del. Dave LaRock (R-33rd). 

(Dunn, Fox, Favola, Vogel and LaRock responded to a similar survey in 2017 after the Charlottesville riots.)

Below are the responses we received this week.

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U.S. House of Representatives

Congresswoman Jennifer Wexton (D-Va.-10th)

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Jennifer Wexton

No. The clear intention of this statue, erected in 1908, was to tell Black Virginians that there would be no justice for them in Leesburg’s courthouse. The enshrinement of confederate monuments in public spaces across our Commonwealth was a part of a national effort to rewrite the history of the South’s secession and rehabilitate the image of Confederate leaders. These monuments belong in museums or similar spaces with the appropriate historical context -- they should not be honored in public spaces.

In the State Senate, I sponsored legislation to allow localities to decide if these monuments should remain or be moved. I was pleased to see this legislation become law this year. I fully support efforts by the Board of Supervisors to remove this monument.

Last year, Representative Donald McEachin and I called for the replacement of Virginia’s statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee, housed in the National Statuary Hall Collection of the United States Capitol Building. This year, the Governor signed a bill into law to begin the process of replacing the statue of Robert E. Lee in our nation’s Capitol.

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Board of Supervisors

Chairwoman Phyllis Randall (D-At Large)

I don’t believe it was ever appropriate for a monument to the Confederacy to sit on public, courthouse grounds. Not when it was erected in the early 1900s, not now, not ever.

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Phyllis Randall

I've been opposed to a monument to the Confederacy sitting on County owned, public property for almost two decades. In 2004, I wrote my first of three op-eds opposing that statue on the Courthouse grounds. Over the years, I've spoken to past boards and expressed my strong opposition to a Confederate statue on public grounds. In addition, in 2010 I led the Loudoun opposition against the effort to have a “Confederate History Month” in the Commonwealth of Virginia. I was joined in that effort by the Douglass Alumni Association. Over the years, I have received repeated backlash, criticism and even veiled threats regarding my position opposing a Confederate statue sitting on public property. My position remains firm and unchanged.

The General Assembly set forth a process for removal (or not) of "War Monuments.” I intend to follow that legal process. It involves a public hearing and a required waiting period. The process will start at the Board of Supervisors business meeting on July 7th. As Chair, I reserve the right to make motions as they pertain to the removal of that statue. I intend to make those motions.

Any private organization, institution, public or private cemetery, or individual interested in taking custody of the Confederate statue that now sits on the Courthouse grounds in Leesburg, VA should contact the County Administrator.

Until then, no person should attempt to remove, deface or alter the statue in any way.

If that Statue is to be removed--and it is my fervent wish that it is removed--it will be done through a legal process that affords every Loudoun citizen the opportunity to express their feeling on the matter.

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Vice Chairman Koran Saines (D-Sterling)

Koran Saines

Koran Saines

I do not believe the Confederate monument is appropriate in 2020 and it wasn’t appropriate in 1908 when it was erected either. Despite what others will say, it is clear why it was put up. This Confederate monument, like many others across the South, was put up during the Jim Crow era—many decades after the Civil War ended—primarily to symbolize white supremacy, not honor soldiers after the war.

Jim Crow was a time of intimidation and terror to enforce segregation. The monuments sent an unmistakable signal of what kind of society Jim Crow areas were. They also were secondarily part of an effort to rewrite history with the “Lost Cause” narrative to spin the Confederate fight to preserve slavery as a noble cause. It is not a coincidence this statute was placed at the heart of the county seat, at a place where many citizens would have to go for a variety of reasons.

Yes, I support moving and relocating the monument. My first preference would be to return the monument to the organizations that put up the statute (which were the United Daughters of the Confederacy and the Clinton Hatcher Camp of the Sons of the Confederate Veterans). My second preference would be to offer it to the Loudoun museum or other interested museums in Virginia. Putting it on a Civil War battlefield, like Ball’s Bluff in Leesburg, would be my third choice. If all these options do not work, we could turn it over to an interested private citizen or private group.

To those who say removing statues is removing history, no one is erasing the Civil War or the existence of the Confederacy from school textbooks, history books, museums, etc. We are simply removing a statue that pays homage to traitors who were supporting human beings owning other human beings as property. General Lee himself did not want Confederate statutes, memorials. In 1869 Lee said: “I think it wiser not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered.” If Lee was talking about moving on from the sores of war then why are we still trying to preserve them in 2020?

We are the only country that I am aware of that his statues and monuments to honor traitors. Some say we can “balance” them by putting statutes of the enslaved alongside the Confederate statues. This makes no sense. That would be like putting statutes of Nazi’s next to concentration camps in Germany or statutes of apartheid advocates next to statutes of Nelson Mandela in South Africa.

I will vote to remove the statute when it comes to public hearing. I am thankful the General Assembly passed legislation to give localities the authority to make decisions on Confederate monuments and look forward to working to right this historical wrong once the legislation becomes effective on July 1.

We will ensure that when this comes to the Board that we will reach out to the organizations that put up the statute originally, museums, and battlefields to notify them that this statute is coming down and they can claim it.

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Supervisor Juli Briskman (D-Algonkian)

Juli Briskman

Juli Briskman

The Confederate monument in front of the county courthouse is not appropriate in 2020, nor was it appropriate when it was erected in 1908. Confederate monument building goes hand-in-hand with violence perpetrated against African-Americans who were enslaved from the moment they arrived on our shores 400 years ago, reached its peak between 1890-1920 and continues today. These racist confederate monuments are meant to intimidate African-Americans and lord power over them. Similarly, the Confederate battle flag wraps segregationists and white supremacists together under the false banner of history. Confederate statues need not remain to remind us of our history. Nowhere else are the atrocities committed against our country’s own citizens publicly celebrated. We do not have monuments that glorify the internment of Japanese Americans, for example. But we have not forgotten this blemish on our record. Appropriate venues are available to trace history. Museums come to mind. Not the wide, tree lined avenues of prosperous neighborhoods or standing guard in front of government buildings, which should welcome and serve all citizens regardless of race, gender, religion, sexual preference or socio-economic status.

I strongly support removing the Confederate monument. The courthouse is a place where citizens come to engage in serious and important activities. The courthouse belongs to the people whose taxes built and support its numerous public functions. This (and all other confederate memorabilia) should be relocated somewhere as dark, dusty, and frightening as the events they represent. As a member of the Board of Supervisors I am willing to put my vote and county resources behind its removal. That means that I will draft or sign any initiative or legislative action required to accomplish this goal, as quickly and efficiently as possible once we have the power on July 1. No legitimate reason exists for that statue to remain and I will vociferously advocate for its removal among my colleagues on the board and to the public, until it is gone.

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Supervisor Sylvia Glass (D-Broad Run)

Sylvia Glass

Sylvia Glass

The Confederate monument so prominently displayed at the entrance to our courthouse is not appropriate in 2020, just as it was not appropriate when it was erected in 1908. “Equal Justice Under Law” is etched in the West Pediment of the United States Supreme Court Building, built in 1935 - 32 years before it was legal for an African American to marry a white person in Virginia. Let that sink in. The Confederate monument looming as one enters the courthouse might as well be etched with the words “Unequal Justice Under Law” as it represents centuries of slavery and oppression. Loudoun is 112 years overdue in removing this “monument.”

I am a fifth-generation Virginian. My father was president of the Prince William County NAACP and worked tirelessly toward integration. Through his leadership, my four older siblings were the first students to integrate PWCPS. Fighting for racial equality is ingrained in my being. I grew up hearing stories from my older sister about how she was screamed at by parents and students at her school because she didn’t “belong” with the white children. To me, the Confederate monument has just replaced those screams – telling people of color in Loudoun we do not belong. The monument stands as a reminder to every black person entering our courthouse seeking justice that they are viewed as 3/5 of a person - brought to this country in chains, and the very people this monument is dedicated to - fought to keep us in chains.

I wholeheartedly support removing the Confederate monument from its current location in front of our courthouse. It is a relic to slavery and has no place in front of our house of justice. I believe there is value in allowing the greater Loudoun community to weigh-in on where the monument should ultimately be housed.

House Bill 1537 provides for this public discourse, requiring the Board to advertise for 30 days its intention to bring the matter of removal up for discussion at a Public Hearing. This notice will provide Loudoun’s citizens ample time to make the Board aware of their opinions. As for where the monument will be moved, I believe that is also a conversation to be had with the community. The Bill states “…the local governing body shall first, for a period of 30 days, offer the monument or memorial for relocation and placement to any museum, historical society, government, or military battlefield.” As always, I want to hear from my constituents in the Broad Run District, and the residents of Loudoun, on where they think the monument should be relocated.

I understand that some Loudoun residents have ancestors who fought and died for the Confederacy, and I respect the desire to recognize them. However, I do not feel that this monument in front of the courthouse is the best way to do that. This will certainly be a passionate debate, but I would like to remind everyone to be kind and courteous toward those with whom you disagree. When we listen and find empathy toward others, we find that we arrive at better solutions.

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Supervisor Caleb Kershner (R-Catoctin)

The young confederate soldier statute is Loudoun’s oldest memorial erected by loving family members to remember their fallen who lost their lives fighting in America’s bloodiest conflict that claimed 750,000 American lives and tore the nation and families apart. It is NOT a memorial to the beliefs of the confederacy. Memory and loss, not race or racism embodies this statute.

Caleb Kershner

Caleb Kershner 

Such a memorial is as appropriate today as it will be 100 years from now. History is NOT something you hide from or destroy from the public square—otherwise you are bound to repeat it. Hundreds died on both sides during the American Civil War. Brother shot and killed brother. Should we only remember or memorialize the dead of one side? Southern soldiers who died were just as American as were the Union soldiers who died.

The memorial reminds us of our Loudoun County History; It reminds us of death and pain that comes with conflict; it reminds us of the struggles of our past; It reminds us of the cost that often comes with allowing such evils as slavery to exist in society. Loudoun County was just as torn as the rest of the country during the Civil War.

I proudly serve on a Board with three African Americans popularly elected. Attacking our historical landmarks such as the Silent Sentinel will only serve to reopen wounds in our community and set back race relations in our county. I want to see healing, not division and I urge us all to replace bitterness of the past with forgiveness now and in the future.

Removing the “Silent Sentinel” is a slippery slope. He’s a lowly private, not Jefferson Davis. If all confederate memorials are to be removed, even the lowliest, what’s next? Renaming the Town of Leesburg? Do we eliminate the Washington Monument and the Jefferson Memorial because these founders were slave holders? Maybe we should tear down and defund Monticello or Mount Vernon? Can we only allow public displays of history that have a perfect and unmarred past? Are we not capable as a people to understand that the cultural sins of 170 years ago were completely different than who we are as a people today?

The statue, which was placed in front of the Courthouse in 1908, honors slain Americans -- sons, fathers and brothers who died defending their homeland during the Civil War. Zero evidence exists that it was erected to intimidate African Americans. We should not remove our history or dishonor our ancestor’s memorial to their loved ones, and in doing so forget the great cost to human life that came to preserve freedom for all.

Few even know that Loudoun County was both Confederate and Union during the Civil War. The Loudoun County Heritage Commission Report notes that “Loudoun was bitterly split over secession. In some northern and western areas (Waterford, Lovettsville, Hamilton), support for the Union remained strong, but after Fort Sumter, over two-thirds of the County voted to ratify secession in May 1861 (1,626- 726). The scene was set for internecine warfare as communities and families fractured over competing loyalties to North and South.”

Regardless of Union or Confederate sympathies, the Civil War “devastated much of Loudoun County. Troops on both sides regularly requisitioned or plundered local farms, running away with cattle, horses, sheep, hogs, corn, hay and other crops at will. Confederate troops ….burned the County’s three bridges … and Union cavalry units ….invaded Loudoun and commenced a five-day “burning raid” that culminated in the slaughter or confiscation of more than 10,000 cattle, sheep, hogs and horses, and the burning of 230 barns, eight mills, 10,000 tons of hay and 25,000 bushels of grain.”

As Martin Luther King, Jr. said “We are not makers of history we are made by history.” So, I support the telling of all of Loudoun’s history even the painful and flawed parts, and support adoption of all the Heritage Commission recommendations including honoring national civil rights leader Charles Hamilton Houston, and building a "Path Toward Freedom and Justice" walk on the courthouse grounds with monuments to both black and white Loudouners who fought for the Union. The Silent Sentinel has a place in this story and should remain. It is far better for us as a county to build on and remember our history rather than to tear it down.

In 2018, WTOP reported that many Loudouners, black and white don’t want the statute to go. If it is the will of the people of Loudoun County to remove the “Silent Sentinel” then it should be decided by the people through referendum not by the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors.

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Supervisor Kristen Umstattd (D-Leesburg)

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Kristen Umstattd

The Confederate statue on County land in front of the Old Courthouse in Leesburg has never been appropriate. It would not have been appropriate during the Civil War. It certainly wasn’t appropriate during the Jim Crow era, when its placement would have sent a message to African Americans that equal justice was something they could forget about. The placement of the statue has always been more egregious on government land in front of a courthouse than it would ever have been on private property.

The Loudoun Times-Mirror has covered this issue a few times over the last several years and my position has been, and still is, that, if the County was ever granted the legal authority by the General Assembly to remove the Confederate statue on the Courthouse grounds, we should do so as soon as legally possible. As of July 1st, for the first time in about a century, the Board of Supervisors will have the legal authority to remove the statue. Under the new state law, the Board of Supervisors is required to hold a public hearing prior to voting to remove or otherwise alter a monument. If the Board decides to remove the statue, it must be offered to “any museum, historical society, government or military battlefield.” I would like the Board to hold that public hearing as quickly as legally possible - preferably in July, vote as quickly as legally possible to remove the statue, again preferably in July, and have already reached out, prior to the public hearing to museums; historical societies such as the Daughters of Confederate Veterans, whose predecessors erected the statue in the early 1900s; and the National Park Service and Northern Virginia Regional Park Authority. My preference would be to remove the statue immediately after the public hearing and place it in storage while the Board decides which interested organization should receive it. I have argued in the past that the statue should be removed and would be more appropriately placed at the Balls Bluff battlefield, where at least it would represent the Civil War battle that took place there. However the new state law would direct broader outreach and allow for more options. With its newly acquired authority, the Board should act expeditiously to hold the public hearing and remove the statue.

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Supervisor Mike Turner (D-Ashburn)

Mike Turner

Mike Turner

The statue of the Confederate soldier on the grounds of the Loudoun County courthouse is inappropriate in 2020 just as it was in 1908 when it was placed there. The statue was erected not immediately after the Civil War as a memorial, but 43 years later at the beginning of the Jim Crow “separate but equal” era in the wake of the Plessey v. Ferguson Supreme Court ruling in 1896. These laws legalizing segregation were struck down in 1954 by the Brown v. Board of Education ruling, though illegal but state-sanctioned segregation continued in Southern states, including Virginia, well into the 1960s. There are more than 700 Confederate statues spread across 31 states in America, even though there were only 11 states in the Confederacy.

Despite the deliberately disingenuous inscription on our statue, the majority, including the Loudoun County Courthouse statue, were built to coincide with the institutionalization of the Jim Crow laws, not to honor Confederate war dead. This is why they were placed on state, county and municipal grounds. They were positioned to remind African Americans of the two justice systems in America as they entered government buildings. The Leesburg statue is situated exactly on the spot where enslaved people were sold, the steps of the original courthouse, remnants of which can still be seen near the base of the statue.

Just as egregious is the plaque on the WWI memorial also on Loudoun County courthouse grounds. There is a line at the bottom of the plaque with three names below it. Those were the African American Loudoun County residents who died in WWI, segregated even in death.

I will vote to begin the legal process of having the statue removed and the WWI plaque replaced just as soon as possible after the new law giving local governments jurisdiction in the disposition of war monuments takes effect on July 1.

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Supervisor Tony Buffington (R-Blue Ridge)

Tony Buffington

Supervisor Tony Buffington

I believe the statue should be moved to a less traveled portion of the courthouse grounds so that those who want to see it can do so, and those who don’t want to see it, don’t have to. I also believe that a plaque or sign with appropriate interpretive language should be added and that additional statues or monuments of others whom our community believes are necessary to properly memorialize our history should be added.

That said, it is clear that the statue will be moved off courthouse grounds altogether. So in my mind, the question is simply where best to relocate it. Many have suggested Balls Bluff as an appropriate location. Either way, I believe the Board should conduct a public process to ensure sufficient public input and that the statue should be relocated in accordance with the new law passed by our general assembly.

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Supervisor Matt Letourneau (R-Dulles)

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Matt Letourneau

Matt Letourneau

I would prefer not to have a Confederate statue on the Courthouse grounds in Leesburg. I was supportive of the Board's endorsement of legislation allowing the County to determine for itself what statues or monuments should be on our property, and I am now supportive of initiating the process to consider removing and relocating the Leesburg statue.. The General Assembly prescribed a specific process which is inclusive of public input before making a decision. I am respectful of that process and will seek input from my Dulles District constituents. That process also includes a public discussion about relocating the statue to a more appropriate location.

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State Senate

State Sen. John Bell (D-13th)

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John Bell

I do not believe the Confederate monument is appropriate. A courthouse is a place of justice and everyone who enters the courthouse today and sees a statute that represents racism does not depict a place where everyone will be treated fairly.

As both a State Senator and a member of the House of Delegates I have voted in favor of local control of monuments. Things that are unacceptable racially today should be in museums. We shouldn't forget that part of our history, but we shouldn't put it on a pedestal and celebrate it the way many of them are done today. I will be working with my colleagues in the GA and at the local level in how we can best move forward.

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State Sen. Jennifer Boysko (D-33rd)

I've always believed that the locality should be able to make this decision I stand with many members of the community is saying that it should not be in front of the county courthouse.

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State Sen. Jennifer Boysko

I personally support moving or removing the monument after working with community members to determine a more appropriate location where the statue should be placed.

I voted in favor of SB 183, the legislation in the General Assembly. The bill passed in the House of Delegates, the State Senate, and was signed by Governor, Northam on April 10th. It provides that a locality may remove, relocate, contextualize, or cover any monument or memorial for war veterans on the locality's public property, not including a monument or memorial located in a publicly owned cemetery, regardless of when the monument or memorial was erected, and removes certain criminal and civil penalties. Current law makes it unlawful to disturb or interfere with such monuments or memorials or to prevent citizens from taking proper measures and exercising proper means for the protection, preservation, and care of such monuments or memorials. Prior to removing, relocating, contextualizing, or covering any such publicly owned monument or memorial, the local governing body shall publish notice of such intent in a newspaper having general circulation in the locality. The notice shall specify the time and place of a public hearing at which interested persons may present their views, not less than 30 days after publication of the notice. After the completion of the hearing, the governing body may vote whether to remove, relocate, contextualize, or cover the monument or memorial. If the governing body votes to remove, relocate, contextualize, or cover the monument or memorial, the local governing body shall first, for a period of 30 days, offer the monument or memorial for relocation and placement to any museum, historical society, government, or military battlefield. The local governing body shall have sole authority to determine the final disposition of the monument or memorial. The bill authorizes the local governing body to call for an advisory referendum prior to voting on such motion. The bill repeals an 1890 act of assembly related to the placement of a statue in the City of Alexandria and does not apply to a monument or memorial located on the property of a public institution of higher education within the City of Lexington. The bill also provides that the Board of Historic Resources shall promulgate regulations governing the manner in which any monument or memorial may be contextualized.

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House of Delegates

Del. Ibraheem Samirah (D-86th)

Ibraheem Samirah

Ibraheem Samirah 

It is not appropriate to Virginians and their culture in 2020 to have a statue that represents an evil, divisive, racist, and violent past placed in a location meant to uphold the virtues of justice. There should be no way that the confederacy gets glorified in our spaces. Millions died for our unity, today, in the civil war, and we most glorify their martyrdom by, at least, not glorifying their murderers. Confederate monuments should be placed in a Virginian museum with information alongside it speaking to the full breadth of the evil espoused by the confederacy, at the time.

I absolutely support removing and relocating the Confederate monument in front of the Loudoun county Courthouse in downtown Leesburg, and beyond. I believe it should go to a local Loudoun county museum to be displayed to all in the negative light it deserves.

As a member of the Counties, Cities, and Towns Committee, and as a member of the Charters subcommittee, I took crucial votes in favor of a bill passed that will become law on July 1st, 2020, that allows Loudoun county, as a locality, to remove or relocate any statue in their jurisdiction. The legislation can be looked up under House Bill 1537 of the 2020 session. The bill passed both of my committees by just one vote in each case. I am both proud of my casting vote and proud that governor Northam signed the bill into law when it came to his desk. I look forward to learning how many other localities will be using the soon-to-be law that allows them to dismantle racist statues all across our great Commonwealth.

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Del. Karrie Delaney (D-67th)

Karrie Delaney

Karrie Delaney

I believe that the Confederate monument in front of the county courthouse in Leesburg glorifies a painful time in our history and is not an appropriate symbol in 2020 America. Monuments like these do not accurately represent who we are, and the Loudoun County board will soon be able to make their decision on what should be done with the monument moving forward.

I do support removing and relocating the Confederate monument in front of the county courthouse. Throughout my time as a Delegate, I have supported bills that allow local boards to remove these Confederate monuments and statues from their public spaces. I am proud to say that this year, we accomplished that goal. I will continue to work with my colleagues at the local level in Loudoun County as they determine what to do with this monument in particular. If the Board votes to remove the statue and potentially relocate it, I will fully support that decision.

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Del. David Reid (D-32nd)

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David Reid

There are people alive today, some of which I serve with in the General Assembly, whose families have suffered violent racist attacks against their person or their homes. This is not “theoretical” for them. The Confederate statue in front of the county courthouse in Leesburg and the others spread across the Commonwealth and the Nation were put up in the late-1800s and early-1900’s, well after the Civil War, as a way to send a message to the African American community about who was “still in charge.” Those statues were wrong then and they are wrong now.

During the 2019 General Assembly Session, both then Del. John Bell and I voted in favor of HB2377, which would have provided localities, such as the Leesburg Town Council or the Loudoun Board of Supervisors, with the ability to make local decisions on all the Confederate statues across the Commonwealth. Despite the support of many communities across the State, including a passionate outpouring of support from Charlottesville, HB2377 died in the Counties, Cities, and Towns (CC&T) subcommittee by a 2-6 vote. It never made it to the full committee or to the House floor for a vote. This year, I joined with 51 of my colleagues to enthusiastically support Del. Delores McQuinn’s HB1537. HB1537 passed the House by 52-47, the State Senate by 23-15, and was signed by the Governor on 10 APR 2020. It will take effect on 1 JUL 2020 and for the first time ever, localities will now have the authority to conduct open, thoughtful, and transparent discussions about whether to “…remove, relocate, contextualize, or cover any monument or memorial for war veterans on the locality's public property…,” which would include the Confederate statue at the county courthouse.

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Del. Wendy Gooditis (D-10th)

Wendy Gooditis

Wendy Gooditis

While I concede that areas of the South were devastated to lose the Civil War and wished to commemorate their dead, the fact is that they were, thankfully, losers in the attempt to fracture our nation in order to preserve the vile institution of slavery. Any statues commemorating this failed and immoral attempt are not, and never were, appropriate.

As a Member of the House of Delegates representing large parts of Loudoun County, I am proud to have voted to allow localities to decide the proper disposition for their statues, which opens the way for action. I was also a member and a vote on the Counties, Cities, and Towns Committee which moved the legislation forward. I myself do support removal of Confederate statues everywhere. Now, in the spotlight on racism and the protests of Mr. George Floyd’s murder, the removal of these statues seems a small and simple step toward atonement to our black friends and neighbors. I am thankful for the voices moving us forward in our fight against systemic racism, and pledge to support good legislation which will help Virginia along this path.

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Del. Kathleen Murphy (D-34th)

Kathleen Murphy

Del. Kathleen Murphy

I believe it is time to remove statues that were put up to intimidate and support oppression. They serve as a reminder of Virginia's racist past. Robert E Lee fought to continue the enslavement of black people. He was a US Army officer and a West Point graduate. He turned his back on his country. There was nothing honorable in that.

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Suhas Subramanyan

Del. Suhas Subramanyan 

Del. Suhas Subramanyan (D-87th)
 
The Confederate monument standing in front of the Loudoun County Courthouse, and many other symbols like it, contradict the values of our locality, our Commonwealth, and our nation as we move toward racial equity and justice. I have been very clear regarding my support for taking down many of these Confederate monuments, particularly the one in Leesburg, because it is a symbol of oppression.

 
Historical events and figures rooted in White supremacy, segregation, racism, and oppression should not adorn public spaces. Public areas, especially ones that are supposed to represent justice, should not feel unsafe for marginalized communities.
 
This year, as a member of the Virginia House of Delegates Committee on Counties, Cities, and Towns, I was proud to vote in support of localities taking down these statues and will continue to support that position. I would rather support Black history in our public spaces: their contributions, struggles, and culture.
 
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Leesburg Town Council

Leesburg Mayor Kelly Burk

Kelly Burk

Mayor Kelly Burk

The monument is on county property and the Leesburg Town Council has no say in what happens to the statue, and in addition the council has not taken a position.

My personal opinion is that the monument is not appropriate at the courthouse site. It is a symbol of hate and discrimination for many of us and symbol of pride for others so I would not support destroying it but would support moving it from county property. To me the confederate monuments represent the Confederacy's failed attempt to establish power over the Federal government.

As I stated above I support removing the monument but as it is on county property I have no say. I do support the Board of Supervisors in their effort to move it to a new location.

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Leesburg Vice Mayor Marty Martinez

Marty Martinez

Marty Martinez

No I don’t. It is a symbol of a country divided. While symbols of the confederacy are still around and visible true healing cannot happen. Those reminders of slavery and oppression are not appropriate in any era.

I do support removal and relocating it. There is not a lot I can do other than support our board of supervisors who believe its removal is needed.

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Councilman Ron Campbell

I do not believe that the Loudoun County is now or ever has been an appropriate place for this monument.

Ron Campbell

Ron Campbell

The Loudoun County Heritage Commission has been working on the actions to relocate and to recommend other historical markers to be inclusive of all in Loudoun County. I am an active member of the Loudoun County NAACP and the Executive Director of the Loudoun Freedom Center and both organizations have been active in calling for removal. I have spoken at the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors meeting calling for the removal. I work with other Loudoun County historical organizations to support efforts to uncover and tell stories of the African American communities and contributions to our county.

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Councilman Neil Steinberg

Neil Steinberg

Neil Steinberg

I do not believe that the Confederate monument on the courthouse lawn is appropriate for 2020 America, or at any other time for that matter. The history of this and similar monuments is that the vast majority of them were placed during the period from 1895 to 1915. Most historians concur that the monuments were used to serve as stark reminders of the awful reality that was the Jim Crow era. The presence of the monuments on government properties was at least a tacit if not outright approval of Jim Crow, and an obvious slap in the face to any African-American who needed to visit such locations to conduct public business.

I absolutely support the removal of the Confederate statue from the County courthouse lawn. If another location for its placement can be agreed upon, perhaps the Balls Bluff Cemetery, I could possibly support that. As an elected official from the Town of Leesburg I am willing to offer my opinions as stated here to any of my constituents, and to offer whatever support will be of value to my colleagues at the county and state levels.

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Correction, clarification: State Del. Suhas Subramanyan (D-87th) was inadvertently left off the email questionnaire for this report. An earlier version stated Subramanyan did not reply. Subramanyan says he supports removing the Confederate monument in Leesburg.

Leesburg Town Councilman Neil Steinberg has also submitted his reply since the report's initial publication.

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Constitution

Mr. Kershner, Why should we honor a fallen traitor, one who fought to uphold an ugly, sinful, dishonorable, and disgusting tradition of slavery and a slave-driven economy? There is no Confederacy -- they lost the war. We can forgive those who perpetrated evil if they can let go of the notion of the existence of a Confederacy and relegate it to a museum of our horrible past. It is a false equivalence between Confederate traitors and Presidents Washington and Jefferson. Washington and Jefferson knew that slavery could be a grave problem, and they wanted to end it, but they were trying to form a more perfect union while avoiding ways to divide it. They knew that the divisive issue of slavery would have to be dealt with eventually and that it could break the union. The statue in front of he courthouse is an affront to justice, liberty, the Constitution, the notion of a more perfect union, modern civilized norms, and (if you are a real Chrisitian, a believer in God, or just a moral person) it defies the commandments of God. We can relegate the ugly side of our history to a history museum that tells the ugly truth without glorifying it.

Tony Fasolo

The statue of the confederate soldier should be taken down, given to the United Daughters of the Confederacy, the group that paid for it and maintained it , for disposition with a recommendation that it be moved to the Balls Bluff Battlefield, the site of the second confederate victory in 1861. This has been discussed for many years. Some claim it is a part of history that should not be forgotten, so move it to where it will have more meaning. Others note that it was erected in 1903 well after the civil war ended and it was put ther to intimidate former enslaved people so again move it so it will not offend. Replace it with the Statue of the American Eagle and tributes to all branches of the Armed forces who fought to defend our country, the UNITED States of America.

Lawman

You fools still arguing about a done deal. As progressives had to learn while living in this State and County under conservative rule, elections have consequences. The last few have changed the political landscape of Virginia. The statue in Leesburg is going. It’s not BLM, it’s not the NAACP, it’s not rioters, it is a new electoral majority. The representative they elected promised it would go and so it’s going. So stop wasting your words.

ace10

Ah, where's all the hate-filled rhetoric that we've come to expect from you?

amerigirl

I thought you had that market cornered

KK153

....yeah....because "smallman: says so....

RoundHillGuy

Lawman is actually correct, the state gave the decision back to the locality and the statue will go. However, I can't wait to see the trail of tears when the pendulum swings so far back to the right in Richmond, which it will after what Virginians have seen in 2020.

amerigirl

Dn't hold yur breath because it ain't happening.

Thanks BLM, Dem Rioters and Protestors for Making Everyone Pay the Price

"The number of coronavirus cases in the District reached a new peak Friday, health officials announced in their reporting of case totals Saturday. There were 63 new confirmed cases of COVID-19.

This detected peak sets the Phase One count of days with sustained decrease back to nine. The city needs to see 14 days of continued decline in order to continue on to Phase Two."

Source: nbcwashington.com

amerigirl

Yep they should have brought those infected correctional officers in.

Guest

When you behave badly, I don't care what color you are. You are STILL BADLY BEHAVED. Stop acting like every

Guest

This NONSENSE HAS TO STOP!! Why are people so determined to remove these statues? THEY REPRESENT HE SIGN OF THE TIMES.... Someday, YOUR message is going to be seen for what it is..... DELIBERATE inciting of violence to benefit what, exactly??? I look at these statutes as reminders of the horrific way the slaves were treated . It sickens me to think of how families were separated and put on the auction block. I cannot watch movies and documentaries such as Roots without feeling angry. But I do not approve of taking down these statutes. While they can remove the statutes they cannot wash away the blood shed by the slaves and the Union and Confederate soldiers. They are stark reminders of unbearable pain that was inflicted upon the slaves who had done nothing wrong. First of all those statutes do not belong to anyone but the citizens of this country we hold the right to vote by referendums as to what should be done with the statutes.The Civil War is a very important part of the history of this country. We gain nothing by pretending it never happened. STOP THIS RACE BAITING. GROW UP. Life is not easy. But it IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT. Many white people have had it tough, too. And no one bails them out. Quit with the self-pity.

amerigirl

The SIGN OF THE TIMES now is equality and justice for all American. No one is changing history with their removal.

Constitution

The statues do not belong to the citizens of this country, they belong to the Daughters of the Confederacy. Nobody is trying to erase history. That chapter should have been closed 150 years ago. Reconstruction was not fulfilled, and the Jim Crow era that followed continued until the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1968 were passed. But oppression and symbols of oppression did not end there, and laws by themselves do not change some peoples hearts. Yes, there are poor white people too, and while they were temporarily affected by Jim Crow laws, which were later amended for them, poor whites have not suffered and have not been held back by institutionalized racism.

leesburgresident2010

LTM, please also ask these elected officials about their stance on changing or keeping the mascot at Loudoun County High School, the oldest high school in the county. We need to know their thoughts, especially those who attended or had/have children attend Loudoun County High School.

DrDoctor

Trevor,

One question that should have been asked of our highly esteemed elected Loudoun citizens.....Do ALL LIVES MATTER?

Asking for a friend!

Guest

You are SPOT ON!! I look at these statutes as reminders of the horrific way the slaves were treated . It sickens me to think of how families were separated and put on the auction block. I cannot watch movies and documentaries such as Roots without feeling angry. But I do not approve of taking down these statutes. While they can remove the statutes they cannot wash away the blood shed by the slaves and the Union and Confederate soldiers. They are stark reminders of unbearable pain that was inflicted upon the slaves who had done nothing wrong. First of all those statutes do not belong to anyone but the citizens of this country we hold the right to vote by referendums as to what should be done with the statutes.The Civil War is a very important part of the history of this country. We gain nothing by pretending it never happened."

Guest

Put the statue in the same museum as Osama Bin Ladin , Hitler and Stalin. They all deserve the same respect. You might want to read the speech made at the statues unveiling.

Guest

Where can we read the speech made at its unveiling? I think that could help make the argument for its removal.

I grew up in LoCo as did my mother, who has shared plenty of stories of how LoCo wanted to close all public schools rather than Integrate in the 1960s. Because Loudoun is a historic site I initially felt conflicted about the statue’s removal, but erected 43 years after makes it clear the purpose.

What other country celebrates traitors to its country with statues? The Confederacy chose its path and lost. We should not forget but we should not glorify either.

amerigirl

Yes all lives matter, but all lives are not treated the same, thus the problem. Some people don't place as much importance on lives of people of color as they do on white lives. They do not treat them the same and it makes them at higher risk of injury and death for the exact same thing.

pual mase

Blacks have equal rights under the law and we have seen a twice elected black president, supreme court justices and countless black elected officials at all levels. Many cities and towns have black police chiefs and officers. Blacks have achieved great success in business, arts, entertainment , science.

Yet BLM, NAACP and dem liberals continue to beat the drum that racism is holding down blacks.

Of course racism unfortunately exists in all races, black and white and others.

But blaming systemic racism and the police for issues in the black community is disingenuous and not supported by the facts. Homicides of unarmed black men by police are 0.1 % of all black homicides. In fact, a police officer is 18% times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by police.

It seems Blue Lives Matter is much more justified by the statistics than BLM.

Dems and the media keep telling blacks they are the victims of a rigged system and the gullible believe it. Others have been intimidated to mouthing support of the BLM lies because of they are afraid of being charged as racist if they don’t comply.

Stop the victimhood lies, the intimidation, the rioting , looting and violence.

Stop the democrat identity politics which emphasizes our differences not our commonalities as Americans.

Many black communities, and white and hispanic communities are poor and suffer real problems. The problems are rooted in real issues like absent fathers, drugs, poor education. They are not caused by a small minority of bigots that may exist.

The protests we are seeing are not serious attempts for change because they are focused on phantom issues while ignoring the real issues.

Repeating these falsehoods just perpetuates the problems.

amerigirl

Pual, you just don’t get it. Even those blacks that accomplished careers tell stories of how cop treated them for being black. You can choose to ignore them. The amin problem is the justice system, they have not caught up with the rest of the country. You can blue lives all you want; those are always reported. How many black lives things go unreported unless it is being recorded? No one is telling blacks, they are telling us, no you really don’t get it. You see everything in black and white it is or it isn’t you don’t see what doesn’t smack you in the face. Blame it on everything else, how they live their lives, but know that if a good education was available it would change their lives.

Guest

WRONG. The problem is illustrated in FBI "Crime in the USA" Uniform Crime Reports, specifically Table 67. Compare People of Color percentage of population vs. percentage of criminal arrests. Then have a nice cup of shut your face.

amerigirl

Tell your friend that when it comes to lives mattering to the cops, and so many others, not all lives seem to matter as much. People of color are routinely treated much worse.

Guest

Thank You Amerigirl for standing up to these racist halfwits! You destroyed them! Hats off to you!

testing3199

first it's statues of americans, next it's Washington and Jefferson. Then it will be the naming of mosques. Googe Arab slave trade.

amerigirl

Who wants to take down statues of Americans? It is the statues of the traitors to America, the confederacy that people want taken down. Foolish statement.

scottva

BLM Amerigirl. Good Lord, keep up already. They want the Washington Monument and Jefferson Memorial down

amerigirl

Washington and Jefferson didn't fight against the country. Yes they owned slaves, but I also believe that had the laws changed they would have freed their slaves not, not try to have their states declare war on the US

amerigirl

Scott, if you want to start with the childish act of making something out of a user name I can do that to you too, up to you how childish you want to be. Fact check the monument thing, it's not true. Trumpster was the one starting that, you should check it out.

Guest

The statue should remain. It was not put up as part of Jim Crow efforts. As noted by one of the Board, it was placed in memory on Loudoun County (Confederate) war dead. These young men largely did not own slaves (hell, some had no boots). They fought for the state of Virginia when the states were more important than the Federal government. Leave history alone or add some context. Dems over reaching again.

Guest

My vote in Nov will be all Republicans. Democrats are losing their mind.

WordSaladJoeBiden

Well yes. For a long time now.

amerigirl

Good for you, mine will be straight down the Dem ticket. Are you losing your mind?

Guest

No it was not. Read the unveiling speech and get educated before you talk. We should not honor traitors no matter where they come from.

amerigirl

It was placed for certain war dead, not all of Loudouns war dead, just the ones that revolted against the USA and promoted slavery. You don't have to own something to promote and agree with it.

hardworkingamerican

All of you have it wrong. It is only statues that meet a certain political narrative and purpose. It has nothing to do with what they represent. Hypocrites, all of them. Take a look at how many statues of Vladamir Lenin are in the United States. Wow what a nice guy. Of course let's not forget Robert Byrd, Mr. KKK himself and one of Hillary's former best buds. Roads named after him and the list goes on. Go ahead tear them down, defund police, make your little private cesspool like in Seattle, by the way where a statue of Lenin is and just lose your minds. Go ahead. Then watch what happens comes November. THIS IS A CALL TO ARMS FOR ALL AMERICANS!!! Vote all Democraps out if you want to ever be safe again and grow and prosper. Trump 2020

Voltaire

Hardworkingamerican--the reason that Robert Byrd has roads/parks/etc. named after him is not because he was a member of the KKK. Robert Byrd admitted that he was wrong to join the KKK in his early life and that his view on racial relations was wrong and he reformed it. The reason that there are so many monuments is that Robert Byrd excellently represented the State of West Virginia for 50 years. Period.

scottva

He was elected to office while an active KKK leader and maintained an active membership for almost 7 years while he was in office. Here's the point, people are going nuts tearing down statues that represent things that happened an awfully long time ago and it apparently still triggers people and they have flashbacks. Byrd's past is a lot more recent than the era these statues represent. Nothing more than hypocrisy

Voltaire

Scottva--no, that is wrong. Robert Byrd was a member of KKK from the early 1940s and left it in 1952. His membership in the KKK occurred during his career in the West Virginia House of Delegates and WV Senate. Robert Byrd reformed his view on racial relations and later on the NAACP labeled Robert Byrd a champion on civil rights. It is not hypocrisy. Robert Byrd did what he was supposed to do which was to represent the people of West Virginia and their interests in the U.S. Senate. He did that excellently and THAT is the reason why there are so many monuments to him in WV.

amerigirl

You must have created our own history. Your time line is off. I believe the confederacy surrendered, but I never saw any form of apology. In fact the US has, some states that were in the confederacy have, but that is part of current history. Byrd did apologize, and changed his ways. I think tearing down statues is wrong, to me it is civil unrest. Anger can make people capable of doing the wrong things

Guest

Once you throw a period behind any phrase, then that applies to anyone, once you admit that you were wrong and let one pass, then you must let the rest pass; this cancel culture has to stop and stop immediately

Voltaire

Guest--concerning Robert Byrd, no, I am not wrong. Nice try though.

Guest

You are a FULL IDIOT !

Voltaire

So, who gave you the moral authority to make that determination? Nobody. Grow up.

amerigirl

He is just mean, ignore him he will go away. Poof

amerigirl

I didn't realize that Vladimir Lenin fought against the US. That has nothing to do with anything. It is about a statue that represents injustice in front of a hall of justice.Byrd had very little contact W/ Clinton. don"t believe everything trumpster tells you. He lies like a dog. Byrd finally saw he was wrong and changed, enough that when he died the NAACP even said “Senator Byrd reflects the transformative power of this nation,” s. Call to arms??? are you inciting an insurrection? Go join the Boogaloo boys, you might look good in an Hawaiian shirt.

Amerigiggle

That's your company line? Byrd had very little contact with Clinton?

Study up on Senator J. William Fulbright, Bill Clinton's mentor and segregationist.

"Hillary and I have looked forward for some time to celebrating this 50th anniversary of the Fulbright Program, to honor the dream and legacy of a great American, a citizen of the world, a native of my home state and my mentor and friend, Senator Fulbright." - Bill Clinton

Now, hurry up and start googling and rationalizing, Amerigirl! I expect a well written post on this by 6pm complete with backpeddling, apologism and twisting yourself into a pretzel to 'splain this history to us.

Voltaire

Amerigiggle--and the connection between Robert Byrd and Sen. J William Fulbright and Bill/Hillary Clinton is what?

A riddle for the ages

If Voltaire = Amerigirl and Amerigirl = Voltaire

does Voltaire Squared = Amerigirl Squared ?

Voltaire

A riddle for the ages--nope, your basic premise is flawed therefore your logic equation is also flawed. Amerigirl is a separate poster from me.

amerigirl

Company line? What are you talking about? Don’t tell me to study up on Billl when that isn’t even what the conversation was about, it was about Hillary. So sorry, not doing it because you think I should. You expect a well written post on this by 6pm, what are you a teacher? Get a life, you are rude and condescending and I will not cow tow to your whims. You seem to think you have some kind of power over people, wrong. Try and keep up with the conversation and at least get the subject right.

amerigirl

Company line? What are you talking about? Don’t tell me to study up on Billl when that isn’t even what the conversation was about, it was about Hillary. So sorry, not doing it because you think I should. You expect a well written post on this by 6pm, what are you a teacher? Get a life, you are rude and condescending and I will not cow tow to your whims. You seem to think you have some kind of power over people, wrong. Try and keep up with the conversation and at least get the subject right.

amerigirl

Riddle, stupid punk comeback. Try harder

Amerigiggle

Calling Amerigirl, we're waiting for defense of Bill Clinton like you defend all things democrat....

TICK TOCK

Voltaire

Amerigiggle--I think you can stop the stopwatch as Amerigirl stated in an earlier response that she is not going to provide you with one.

amerigirl

Amerigiggle wannabe me, I don't work on your timetable and I don't care about your post. You can ticktock all you want just sit there waiting.

springerdad

Amerigirl - I hope the LTM gives you a job or a free subscription when they put up the paywall.

I have never seen a person post as much as you do. I am glad that Covid-19 is over so you can concentrate all your posts about a statue.

amerigirl

springer I'm so flattered that you spend so much time thinking about me that you take time to address me even when it ha nothing to do with the article. . How do you know I don't work for LTM now? Kidding, I'm retired so I have time. Someday you will too. Covid isn't over, but if you hadn't noticed, there just haven't been any post on it. Guess Northam is doing it right considering so many states are increasing their numbers.

Guest

AG provides a public service by demonstrating how stupid and duplicitous liberals can be.

Keep it up.

Guest

Yeah but retired people usually aren't this stupid and naive. They've seen some things that makes them question clear leftist fantasy. With her, you have to prove water is wet. Dense doesn't describe her. WTH?

amerigirl

And you do the public a disservice by lying and trying to be a bully. What grade are you in?

Voltaire

AG--No, it looks like COVID-19 went west with high reported cases in Arizona, Texas. I think that a large part of the western states are reporting high case numbers too. Florida has high numbers too.

amerigirl

North and South Carolina, Arkansas, Mississippi, all have an increasing number of patients. Georgia is also on the rise with it hitting the rural counties now.

scottva

Northam isn't doing anything right and certainly doesn't deserver credit. He's a goof

amerigirl

That is just the republican in you talking

Voltaire

scottva--apparently the overall electorate in VA doesn't agree with your premise as Northam has relatively good approval numbers.

springerdad

Thank god we have this issue to worry about and not Covid-19. I can't wait to see what wedge issue the people at LTM will focus on next.

If it bleeds it leads is in full effect.

scottva

Excellent point. The cure to COVID has to be tied to the removal of statues. I bet the next wedge issue thats focused on is the BLM/NAACP parade in Ashburn on 6/14/2020. Isn't a humanitarian equal to All Lives Matter and yet All Lives Matter is racist. Can we say Humanitarian Lives Matter?

Guest

THE CURE TO CORONA IS UNDER ONE OF THE STATUES!!!

amerigirl

Ya know it just might be. In Kentucky on Saturday they were removing a statue of Jefferson Davis at the capitol and found a bottle of Glenmore Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey, and a copy of the State Journal newspaper from Oct. 20, 1936, the day the statue was erected in the base.

amerigirl

The focus is the news, if it is news they cover it. DUH

Guest

Many big corporations are coming out in support of the black community.

Instead of platitudes and lip service, how about they close some foreign sweatshops and bring some jobs back to the black community? Hello Nike, Ben & Jerry's, Target, P&G, Unilever, Starbucks, Adidas, J&J, McDonalds, Verizon, Disney, etc. If you source supplies or product from overseas, bring it back here and make it in black communities. Or are you just fondling social media and the camera for messaging for dollars?

Voltaire

Guest--your statement is an interesting economic discussion but how is it relevant to the topic of the statue of the Confederate soldier on the courthouse grounds in Leesburg? The answer is that is not. [offtopic]

Guest

Who the hell made you a moderator????????????????????????????????

Voltaire

Guest--nobody. However, my observation is valid. Get over it.

Guest

OK Amerigirl/Voltaire. Whatever you say.

Voltaire

Guest--get a clue. Amerigirl is a separate poster from me and can speak for herself.

Fiscalconservative

This monument has been there since the early 1900's, Randall, Saines and Umstad have been county officials and they never acted on it until now. So much for leadership.

amerigirl

Seriously? You have to be aware that the law was recently changed to let localities to do something about the statues. Until Dems took over the statehouse the republicans made it illegal to touch the confederate statues. There was nothing they could do. Now they can!

Guest

I was in New Orleans while they were taking down a Confederate monument and while I watched it, I was talking to a black American woman who said she did not support this. I asked why. She said because when I walk by, I want to teach my grandsons about who that was and what happened during the Civil War. So that it is never repeated

amerigirl

That is 1 out of how many? There are many ways of people learning, this is the age of technology. How often is that grandson online vs walking by that statue?

scottva

Who the hell are you to say how someone should learn? Following your logic, then why remove the statues then?

amerigirl

Can you read? I said, look above to see, 'There are many ways of people learning'. How would that follow my logic? Can't wait to see that answer.

Guest

Unlike what is being reported here by our local officials & newspapers there are MANY law abiding citizens of Loudoun that are in support of keeping the monument status quo. The organization representing them is the Southern Historic Preservation Society of Loudoun. If you would like more information or become a part of this group please visit http://southernhistoricpreservationsociety.org/

amerigirl

And just why do you think it should be in front of the courthouse? I didn't see a a real reason for it in their site.

scottva

Then petition to have another statue added? Are there not any worthwhile people to create a statue for? You are not the fricken morality police.

amerigirl

Scott, now you are sounding like a blathering idiot. Did you notice that my comment was a reply to guest about historic preservation site or are you to lazy and stupid to realize that something inset is a reply? I asked about location and you tell me to start a petition for a statue? What is this BS about worthwhile people? Why does there have to be a statue there at all? Morality police?? Good God, blew that one way out of proportion didn’t you. Typical of your extremism in your posts. You went off about something that you thought was said because you didn’t read it all, grow up

Guest

The monument is a shiny object people have been steered to by BLM, TurnitBlue, Netroots, ANTIFA, Secular Strategies and dozens of other organizing corps of the DNC. It's just a big propaganda op.

Televise this!

amerigirl

A shiny object of idolization of the good old boys in Loudoun. You really think all these orgs you mentioned even look at Loudoun's statues?

Guest

While I'm on board with removing the statue and relocating it to Ball's Bluff (great idea whoever came up with it), I'm reminded of two similar discussions in the past 20-25 years:

- When communism collapsed in the Soviet Union, there was a push to remove all reminders of communism throughout Russia. The guy who pushed back was Boris Yeltsin. His rationale was that he wanted people to be reminded of their past and to never go back.

- On a recent trip to Germany, I visited a fairly new interactive museum in Berlin, the DDR Museum. From a balcony, I could look down on the floor and see several generations of German families discussing the various displays of life in East Germany. From the body language, you knew that the parents and grandparents were telling the kids, "Don't ever let this happen again."

There has to be visible reminders of this part of our history, no matter how distasteful it might be, or we are doomed to repeat it. The simple fact that most or all of these soldier monuments throughout the south are positioned such the soldiers have their backs towards Washington.

KK153

that's the same conversation families will have about progressive liberalism in 50 years

Guest

After they tear down half of Rome and the Roman Coliseum because it was built by slaves. The mentality being pushed today is disgusting. I absolutely hate liberals and progressives. If you read their agenda and demands today, it parallels the communist manifesto written in 1847.

amerigirl

Man you have some far fetched ideas. Nobody is tearing down ancient artifacts, they want to move a statue that represents oppression. keep on living in the past, but don't be surprised when you are left behind.

scottva

@AG - I guess you missed the sledgehammers being used earlier this week and a statue of a confederate soldier falling on a mans head. I can't think of a more appropriate scenario than a confederate statue being torn down by BLM and it lands on one of the dudes pulling it down! Talk about your last stand. Then BLM comes out and ask people to say prayers for the guy? Are you kidding me? My only prayer is for more Karma because this crap has got to stop. Funny inert bronze statue did what others couldn't.

amerigirl

Scott, no didn’t miss it. You know for sure who took it down? Amazing! Why shouldn’t they pray for him, he is in very bad shape. Me, like I said I don’t think vandalizing a statue is the right way to do it. But if an angry mob is taking their frustrations out physically, I would rather see it be on something that was going to come down anyway. You keep going off on me like I am tearing them down when I don’t think it is the right way to handle the situation, but you hoping that others are injured is really disgusting.

Guest

No, they won’t. They will be discussing why it took so long to to support a movement to help all Americans and save the planet from climate change.

Guest

Damn that’s funny... climate change will be shown for the joke it is in 60 years... just like all of the other PC word salad progressives yap incessantly about

amerigirl

Guest, your grandchildren are gong to hate you for being a denier, not to menton all the debt you are handing down to them with the trump policies. What else do you have planned for their future? College they can't afford, pollution that causes health problems? You guys are the bad gift that just keeps on giving.

amerigirl

The big difference is that in Germany it was in a museum, where it belongs. Germany has zero monuments or memorials to the Nazi's. They were all removed. This statue is in front of a courthouse which should represent justice, blind justice, not a biased soldier with a weapon.

ace10

100.00% LIE.

A giant whopper.

There are DOZENS of memorials in German dedicated to the soldiers who fought in WW2.

Further, the Revolutionary War memorial at the courthouse depicts a soldier with a musket.

Your lies are pathological. There is help available, you just have to be open to it.

amerigirl

Yes you have just told another whopper and tried oh so hard to blame it on what I said by lying about what I said. I said there were no memorials to Nazi's in Germany. Why wouldn't they have memorials to their own soldiers? Perhaps you should read; Why There Are No Nazi Statues in Germany - POLITICO

You are just pathetic please stop saying I am lying when I don't. You even make up stries to say I'm lying about, there is something very wrong with you. You have a problem, no matter how many times I have proven things to you you still try to turn them into something else, very warped.

Guest

Quote Politico and you are lying

Guest

Amerigirl is wrong. I can’t stand people that think they righteous and spew lies. Germany has more memorials to there dead soldiers than she has brain cells. You idiots misinform each other more than the racists you hate so much.

amerigirl

What an idiotic statement. First, I never said they didn't have memorial to their soldiers, work on your reading comprehension. Second, I said they do NOT have memorials to Nazi’s, which they don't, try to find one to show me. I can prove what I said, let’s see you defend your lies. You owe me an apology.

Voltaire

Guest--actually, AG is right. There are many memorials in Germany honoring men of the Wehrmacht who died in WWII. There are no monuments specific to the Nazi Party. There are also memorials for the men that died in WWI for Kaiser Wilhelm.

Voltaire

LetSanityPrevail--no, that is not correct. The concentration camps were run by the SS and were manned by SS troops that were different than the Wehrmacht. That held until the end of the war when SS troops were deployed to the front lines due to troop shortages.

LetSanityPrevail

AG, the Wermacht helped implement Hitler’s final solution that murdered 6million of my coreligionists. They have statues and memorials to them as well. I guess that is ok in your belief system.

amerigirl

Insanity, where please show me anywhere there is a statue to the Wehrmacht (correct spelling) anywhere in Germany, Good luck with that because the US military destroyed all Nazi symbols in 1945 per the order to do so. You can look it up anywhere, if you want an unbiased report; https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/germany-has-no-nazi-memorials/597937/

It has nothing to do with my belief system, it has to do with your lack of knowledge of the facts.

Guest

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scottva Jun 13, 2020 12:00am

I'm in favor of pulling the statue down on two conditions:

1. It falls directly on some BLM guys head that is helping to tear it down

2. BLM asks the public to say prayers for the guy the statue crushed.

Karma's a Beech."

This represents the worst of Loudoun County. What a racist, terrible KKK viewpoint. Horrible.

Guest

[angry]. This poster IS the reasons hundreds of African American individuals have been brutalized for 400 * years. May the poster also be there -to observe, of course, and may the statue fall on him! Idiot!😡

KK153

wow... your angry face emojis make me really scared.

amerigirl

DA, they are to convey the commenters feelings not scare you. That's how it works.

scottva

African Americans have been brutalized for 400 years? Does that include present day? If so, maybe they can make a cute sign for blacks and Africans that continue to be brutalized and traded as sex slaves. You see moron, slavery has never ended and people like you only live in the past and ignore the present. As soon as your self-righteous ass takes a stand against the slavery happening today, 6/13/2020, then keep your pie-hole closed because these kids are being brutalized right now, as you and I exchange pleasantries and you nor BLM does jack to shed light on it.

What are you doing to help "Guest"? Making nifty signs with a slogan you hope to make millions on? Maybe you're using the same slogans that have been used for decades? Perhaps you're raising your right fist to show solidarity and that you're down for the cause while wearing your BLM shirt? Better yet, you're probably apologizing for crap you had nothing to do with, because you're carrying some heavy white guilt? In fact, when you get right down to it you're nothing but a fraud.

For the record, a statue would never fall on me for two reasons: 1. I have better things to do than try and rip down an inanimate object and 2. If I were to ever pull down a statue, you can be damn sure I wouldn't be dumb enough to stand directly underneath it, someone could get really hurt.

Guest

I love that video! I watched it 10 times and shared it to all my friends. Scotva is not a racist because he criticized a criminal getting hurt while vandalizing property(Karma). You should have had the statue taken down lawfully and we wouldn't have laughed at you like a 3rd world savage who lights themself on fire while burning the American flag.

amerigirl

How do you know he was vandalizing? He was in front on the ground not up on it pushing it from behind. You are the judge and jury? Get over yourself.

Guest

If you are hanging around with vandals destroying public property you are one of them.

Don’t be naive .

scottva

@Ag - I had to read your comment (3) times because I choked. This was NOT a Trump inspired video. He was helping with the yellow straps that were attached to a car. I'll come down to your level for a moment. Let's say you're right and he was not vandalizing the statue. However, there were some serious efforts to bring it down, sledgehammers, straps, people pushing, etc. Are you suggesting this possibly innocent man, while standing on the ground, could not see what was going or how gravity works and that the best place to stand was directly underneath the statue that was in the process of being toppled?

I don't think a judge or jury are needed, just men in nice white coats. I have read spin before but all you did was make this guy sound really stupid. Been a while since I've read such a racist remark. I mean suggesting that this black man was so stupid he didn't even have a basic concept of physics. Let the man have some dignity, he got crushed fighting for a cause he believed in, plain and simple. I don't agree with his beliefs but I certainly don't think he was so stupid to not understand basic physics. As I said, it's karma period the end.

amerigirl

Scott, you probably had to read it 3 times because of your reading comprehension problem. Who said it was trumpster inspired? Made that up. Who said he was helping to take it down, look at the video again? He had his back to the statue trying to move people out of the way. I would have to say he knew very well how gravity works which is why he was trying to move people out of the way.

amerigirl

OH guest, guilt by association, that will surely stand up in court.

scottva

Thank you and well said! In fact, there was a court hearing scheduled for 7/28/2020 to rule on whether or not it should stay or go. Do we really think another 45 days would have really made a difference? Apparently this guy thought so but instead of making his mark he's now known as the dummy that stood directly underneath a heavy object he was trying to tear down. He succeeded but was it with it? $10 says when he wakes up he'll say "yes, yes it was worth it". To which I would say that we need to introduce physics into the classroom at a much earlier age. He'll probably have his picture in the BLM handbook of what NOT to do when illegally ripping down a statue.

amerigirl

Like I said, watch again, we was trying to move people out of the way. But go ahead and call him a dummy, I'm sure his family will appreciate that.

Guest

I guess you like the rioters defacing public property . You are an idiot

scottva

I completely agree! Can't understand why BLM feels that the destruction of statues would help their cause. Do you think they were accepting prayers from the KKK? I think you're a bit off base on something though, the KKK would not be tearing the statues down and likely wouldn't condone BLM doing it either.

Iluvloudoun

This viewpoint says it best... Supervisor Caleb Kershner (R-Catoctin)

The young confederate soldier statute is Loudoun’s oldest memorial erected by loving family members to remember their fallen who lost their lives fighting in America’s bloodiest conflict that claimed 750,000 American lives and tore the nation and families apart. It is NOT a memorial to the beliefs of the confederacy. Memory and loss, not race or racism embodies this statute.

Caleb Kershner

Caleb Kershner

Such a memorial is as appropriate today as it will be 100 years from now. History is NOT something you hide from or destroy from the public square—otherwise you are bound to repeat it. Hundreds died on both sides during the American Civil War. Brother shot and killed brother. Should we only remember or memorialize the dead of one side? Southern soldiers who died were just as American as were the Union soldiers who died.

The memorial reminds us of our Loudoun County History; It reminds us of death and pain that comes with conflict; it reminds us of the struggles of our past; It reminds us of the cost that often comes with allowing such evils as slavery to exist in society. Loudoun County was just as torn as the rest of the country during the Civil War.

I proudly serve on a Board with three African Americans popularly elected. Attacking our historical landmarks such as the Silent Sentinel will only serve to reopen wounds in our community and set back race relations in our county. I want to see healing, not division and I urge us all to replace bitterness of the past with forgiveness now and in the future.

Removing the “Silent Sentinel” is a slippery slope. He’s a lowly private, not Jefferson Davis. If all confederate memorials are to be removed, even the lowliest, what’s next? Renaming the Town of Leesburg? Do we eliminate the Washington Monument and the Jefferson Memorial because these founders were slave holders? Maybe we should tear down and defund Monticello or Mount Vernon? Can we only allow public displays of history that have a perfect and unmarred past? Are we not capable as a people to understand that the cultural sins of 170 years ago were completely different than who we are as a people today?

The statue, which was placed in front of the Courthouse in 1908, honors slain Americans -- sons, fathers and brothers who died defending their homeland during the Civil War. Zero evidence exists that it was erected to intimidate African Americans. We should not remove our history or dishonor our ancestor’s memorial to their loved ones, and in doing so forget the great cost to human life that came to preserve freedom for all.

Few even know that Loudoun County was both Confederate and Union during the Civil War. The Loudoun County Heritage Commission Report notes that “Loudoun was bitterly split over secession. In some northern and western areas (Waterford, Lovettsville, Hamilton), support for the Union remained strong, but after Fort Sumter, over two-thirds of the County voted to ratify secession in May 1861 (1,626- 726). The scene was set for internecine warfare as communities and families fractured over competing loyalties to North and South.”

Regardless of Union or Confederate sympathies, the Civil War “devastated much of Loudoun County. Troops on both sides regularly requisitioned or plundered local farms, running away with cattle, horses, sheep, hogs, corn, hay and other crops at will. Confederate troops ….burned the County’s three bridges … and Union cavalry units ….invaded Loudoun and commenced a five-day “burning raid” that culminated in the slaughter or confiscation of more than 10,000 cattle, sheep, hogs and horses, and the burning of 230 barns, eight mills, 10,000 tons of hay and 25,000 bushels of grain.”

As Martin Luther King, Jr. said “We are not makers of history we are made by history.” So, I support the telling of all of Loudoun’s history even the painful and flawed parts, and support adoption of all the Heritage Commission recommendations including honoring national civil rights leader Charles Hamilton Houston, and building a "Path Toward Freedom and Justice" walk on the courthouse grounds with monuments to both black and white Loudouners who fought for the Union. The Silent Sentinel has a place in this story and should remain. It is far better for us as a county to build on and remember our history rather than to tear it down.

In 2018, WTOP reported that many Loudouners, black and white don’t want the statute to go. If it is the will of the people of Loudoun County to remove the “Silent Sentinel” then it should be decided by the people through referendum not by the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors.

LoudounPulse

"Loudoun County was both Confederate and Union during the Civil War" is not exactly true. More like Loudoun County was Confederate and at times "occupied" by the Union. I don't recall any Loudoun regiments fighting for the Union. The 8th Virginia was a Confederate unit fighting against the country.

We should remember the Confederates that died in the Civil War was because they took up arms "against" their country. They did not fight for this country. They fought to leave this country so the institution of slavery would continue. Their family's memory should be on their grave in a private lot. Not a public memorial to remember their rebellion that failed.

Guest

There was a Union Loudoun Regulars were a unit from here and fought against Mosby at on point. BTW there was a FREE Black unit formed in New Orleans to fight for the South in effort to protect their property and commerce against the invading Union Troops. There was no law against leaving the Union. They fought for the RIGHT to leave the union. No Southern Soldier of any Rank was tried or sentenced for treason, nor any elected official. Only about 5% of the people in the south owned slaves. But all this is not about HISTORY. It is about claiming to be offended about one thing today and another thing tomorrow. Beware tomorrow may bring one of your "interests" into the realm of offensive to another and thus doomed for destruction. The real destruction is our free speech. Because the current trend will lead to the removal of all our past and leave us with just the powers at that time to be all we are to believe in.

amerigirl

The north and west of Loudoun sympathized with the North. The North also occupied parts of Loudoun, under Col. Edward D. Baker. There never were any big battles in Loudoun. Loudoun sent two pro-Union supporters; John Janney and John A. Carter, to the Virginia Legislature convention in Richmond for the talk on secession. Both men continued to raise their voices to the opposing secession as the deliberations dragged on for over two months. Unfortunately, the powerful and aggressive faction of secessionists at home was working tirelessly, and at a mass meeting held in Leesburg fluent orators swayed the assembled crowds into passing a county resolution endorsing an Ordinance of Succession. It seems to me that most of the people did not want to succeed but a handful of people with southern views took over.

scottva

Were you there or was this just a simple copy and paste from Wikipedia?

amerigirl

Scott, I can read about history, I guess with that reading comprehension problem you have you really can't. Believe me I will cut and paste things to make sure I have them right. You have a problem with that? Naturally your big comeback has noting to do with the statement, just being a bully.

amerigirl

Well that is just madness, “It is NOT a memorial to the beliefs of the confederacy. Memory and loss, not race or racism embodies this statute.” It says right on the base, In memory of the CONFEDERATE soldiers of Loudoun County. He has a gun in his hand as if protecting the courthouse from people who fought for the north and freedom from slavery. Why is it at the courthouse then? There were no battles in Leesburg, it isn’t making some hallowed ground. Put it in a civil war cemetery. If you believe. As I do, that, Loudoun County was just as torn as the rest of the country during the Civil War. Why is there only mention of confederate soldiers? That placement cannot help healing when people of color have to pass by a sign of oppression to go to the courthouse. Do you think all Loudouners want to be reminded of that history? It doesn’t matter what his rank was it still represents the views of the south and slavery. Personally, I don’t see a problem with renaming Leesburg if that is what the people of Leesburg want, that should be up to them. Did Washington or Jefferson support the civil war? No, it was before their time. If those cultural sins of 170 years ago should to be ratified and not honored. Because people of today should understand how offensive they are. Your comment “Zero evidence exists that it was erected to intimidate African Americans” does not justify how it effects African Americans today. When it was erected do you think they even cared how blacks would feel about it?

As far as slave owners in early America, if they had been around later and supported the south it would be a different story. Again, another believer that moving a statue will change history, No it won’t, they aren’t going to recall all the history books and rewrite them to erase the civil war. Statues will not change history. History is an on going process and it will go down in history how the people of Loudoun acted on this problem. Either we show that we support all races here or we still support the south.

So you think it should be up to the people to decide? How did you feel about that when the republican controlled legislature made the laws that they couldn’t be taken down and the people had no say? If the BOS ran on a platform that included removal of the statues then the people have already spoken.

Guest

yes there were battles in Leesburg. AmGL you should read an AMBook.

amerigirl

Nope there was a skirmish in Leesburg which the Union won, not the confederacy.

LoudounPulse

Tony Buffington (R-Blue Ridge) has the best fence sitting remarks. He doesn't want to piss off his Republican supporters nor be branded as a racist. So instead of saying the statue needs to come down, he just recommends it should stay and just be moved elsewhere on the court grounds. Classic Politician.

Here is what will happen: July 1st Loudoun receives the authority to remove the statue. The County will draft a bill to remove it and the debate will be to either relocate it to Balls Bluff or lock it up in storage somewhere. Chances are the residents around Balls Bluff don't want it because all that will happen is that Balls Bluff will become trafficked by a bunch of confederate flag waving folks having annual pilgrimages to worship their Confederate statue. So it is far more likely it will end up in storage and maybe in a few decades melted down once the public has long since forgotten about this moment in time.

So take your pictures now, because history is about to change. Loudoun County 2020 is no longer Loudoun County 1920.

KK153

you got that right. 20 years of .gov carpetbaggers have made it so. In another 10 years is will be just another liberal blue S hole with nothing but leaches and criminals. At that point the same carpetbaggers will wonder "how did this ever happen", then move out of the area because of crime and high taxes to spread their social cancer to another sane part of the country.

LoudounPulse

Growth = Liberalization.

You might want to consider moving to a region that is in decline. Fewer people means the status quo remains unchanged.

Voltaire

KK153--blaming the Federal Government's workforce for changes here in Loudoun County is a stretch. Those ".gov carpetbaggers" bring with them revenues that are taxed (rather highly) by this county. Also, with the movement of government agencies into the county bring additional jobs/revenue (the agencies' Contractor support jobs).

ace10

That's teetering right on the edge of being a glazier's fallacy.

Voltaire

Ace10--call it what you want, it is still factual accurate.

Guest

The government creates absolutely nothing , so anything they “bring” is money they have grifted from someone else. They create no wealth... they take and redistribute ... and you act as if they are doing us all a favor

ace10

It's not about factual accuracy.

Your rebuttal is based on the fact that guvvies pay taxes from their income, which is earned directly from taxes.

If that was such a great thing, then we should have 100% governmental employment.

Voltaire

Ace10—yes, it is. The initial premise presented by KK153 is as follows: “….you got that right. 20 years of .gov carpetbaggers have made it so. In another 10 years is will be just another liberal blue S hole with nothing but leaches and criminals. At that point the same carpetbaggers will wonder "how did this ever happen", then move out of the area because of crime and high taxes to spread their social cancer to another sane part of the country.” The rebuttal to the initial premise is that the Federal Government provides Loudoun County with more than “leaches and criminals”. The Federal Government, through civil servant wages, contract/grant/financial assistance awards, and other financial incentives, provides this county with revenues and additional jobs/revenues through the relocation of support Contractors to Federal agencies. Yes, civil servants’ wages come from tax revenues. That is appropriate as they are public servants administering public programs. Nobody is saying that 100% governmental employment is the ultimate utopia.

Voltaire

Guest—you are correct in that the government creates absolutely nothing. It is not the role of Government to create anything. The role of Government is to perform the following actions: More specifically, the government writes and votes on laws, enforces laws and mediates disputes when the law comes into conflict. Legislators are those who write the laws or create legislation. Administrators make sure that the laws are implemented and enforced. Arbitrators are tasked with ensuring that the laws are well understood. It is not the job of the public sector to “create wealth” They take in tax revenues that are required for the efficient operation of this country. I not acting anything but stating a basic fact that the County does benefit from the presence of the Federal Government. You can interpret that any way you wish but that is factual accurate.

amerigirl

Guest creates absolutely nothing???? Look around you? Is your home safe to live in? When you get on a plane is someone making sure it doesn't crash into another plane? Are there people researching diseases and creating vaccines? There isn't much of your life that isn't touched by the governemnt.

amerigirl

Missing your swamp?

Voltaire

Guest—you are correct in that the government creates absolutely nothing. It is not the role of Government to create anything. The role of Government is to perform the following actions: More specifically, the government writes and votes on laws, enforces laws and mediates disputes when the law comes into conflict. Legislators are those who write the laws or create legislation. Administrators make sure that the laws are implemented and enforced. Arbitrators are tasked with ensuring that the laws are well understood. It is not the job of the public sector to “create wealth” They take in tax revenues that are required for the efficient operation of this country. I not acting anything but stating a basic fact that the County does benefit from the presence of the Federal Government. You can interpret that any way you wish but that is factual accurate.

scottva

Ok, so black people represent 13% of the US population and whites represent 70%. Since whites are the majority, wouldn't BLM stand to gain by ensuring all whites maintain their employment so we can continue to pay taxes that are largely being distributed to support them and black communities? If they needed to count on the 13% to fully support their movement, they would not have a movement.

amerigirl

That has got to be one of the most racist comments I have ever seen. Do you think black communities want to be underprivileged? That is the point of defunding, put the money to better use. Not close the police departments but start investing in community projects that would create jobs for them so they wouldn’t be reliant to your or other people money but could earn their own. No they don’t want to ensure whites have employment they want to ensure that everyone has the opportunity to have decent jobs for decent employment,

KK153

Do I think black communities want to be underprivileged? No, I do not. Do I think the Democrat party wants them to be and works very hard at keeping them as such...absolutely

amerigirl

That was really a stupid remark. trumpster is the one cutting education funding.

Voltaire

AG--I actually agree with your overall sentiment/statement here. I think that, if the premise that you are stating is actually done, there is nothing really wrong with that. I know, from family in law enforcement, that there is a lot of funding given to the agency/department that could be better used elsewhere and that the department/agencies could be more effective and efficient. The problem here is that people are construing "defunding" with "dismantling" and that is not the case but the optics support that misguided conclusion. I will give Governor Northam credit when he took time at Thursday's press conference to explain the difference as that context needed to be expressed.

amerigirl

Probably, so let me just dd a little info. "defunding" means to reduce the demands placed on police and shift funding to mental health care, housing and other social programs, dismantling is like retooling the public safety departments, almost always keeps a police force. In 2012, with crime rampant in Camden, N.J., the city disbanded its police department and replaced it with a new force that covered Camden County. Compton, Calif., took the same step in 2000, shifting its policing to Los Angeles County.

Guest

Better use? By what measure? What do you think will happen to crime in communities as the police are cut back? You call 911 and get a social worker? Uhhh NO.

Community projects? What are those and why do they have to come out of law enforcement budgets? Let the community tax citizens under the heading of "community projects" instead of taking it from where the citizens have decided they want it spent: law enforcement.

Voltaire

Guest--you are wrong on multiple fronts here. How about reforming overtime pay? There is no reason that a patrol officer should be paid overtime to sit on a bench at the courthouse awaiting trial but that is what happens. As someone with family IN law enforcement, they have told that police operations could be better managed and that there are areas in the law enforcement agency that could be reformed. These reforms would not change the operational response time of police units. Further, reforming back office operations would not impact front-line policing so the crime rate would probably stay constant. Some law enforcement agencies are recommending that social workers come with police officers to deal with cases of emotionally disturbed individuals as social workers are more capable of dealing with that situation than law enforcement. The "community" doesn't have to do what you are proposing as tax revenues are collected and put into a general fund. Appropriation decisions are made by the legislature and they do have the authority to move funding out of law enforcement and put it into the Department of Social Services, the government agency responsible for "community projects". The legislature decides where the funding goes and does solicit input from citizens but they are the final arbiters on where taxpayer funding goes.

amerigirl

You have no understanding of what it means, evidently. Right now, police are doing social work. Let that burden go to someone else so they can do the job they were trained to do. Serve and protect. It is a proactive action. Instead of trying to change things from within, a process that funneled more resources to police departments, the defund movement calls for reducing communities’ reliance on police for a number of services: monitoring the homeless, resolving domestic quarrels, disciplining students, responding to outbursts by people with mental illness, swarming neighborhoods to tamp down violence and responding to minor complaints like someone trying to pass a counterfeit $20 bill, the accusation that triggered the police call that ended in Floyd’s death. Things that help the community without police having to be there. Some of the other ideas they have are rec centers, Junior firefighter of police programs, specialized programs like computer training to keep kids off the streets and help with future jobs. What citizens have decided that isn't where they want it?

scottva

Racist comment? News flash AG, EVERYTHING is racist, so therefore nothing is racist. How much money should we give before there's a return on investment? Why are all of these challenged black communities the only ones that have been fighting this same fight since the dawn of time? Why aren't asian and hispanic communities making the same demands? You do realize that Italians have gone through the same crap right? Italians were placed in concentration camps early in the last century. We endured all kinds of racist and vile comments and yet we didn't cast blame. We worked, thats right worked. We were accountable to our families and ourselves and did not make outlandish demands from the American people or the government.

At some point, people have to put up or shut up. Quit all the bitching, all the blame, be accountable, have pride and accomplish what others tell you you can't. Quit living in the past and using ancient ancestors as the driver for why you are not getting ahead and demanding reparations for slavery. What is different about the demands being made today versus 20, 30, 50 years ago? Nothing. Try another approach than "I'm entitled" or blaming others. You want to carry a grudge? The number one killer to society is not racism, it's living in a world full of resentment and that gets in the way of forward progress for anyone. How does an alcoholic that has been sober for more than 10 years improve his or her life? By not living in the past, not shutting the door on, blaming others for the problems they created and being accountable. Conceptually, this is no different.

Get off ones ass and make a difference. I'm proud to be white but can assure you, my life has been anything but privileged.

amerigirl

Scott, news flash, that is your problem, you think, EVERYTHING is racist. You think of people of color as line items for your investments. Sick. You think other people of color aren’t with them? Last century, lets hope we aren’t as stupid as a nation that we can’t learn form our mistakes. That is exactly what they are trying to do, live in the present and be part of the future. Hey don’t want to be entitled to your sympathy, they want to be treated equally. If you think that black areas school give the same education, as white area school you are sadly mistaken. That is what defunding is about. It is taking money to reinvest in preventative projects. Those projects would provide better care housing and education and with the opportunity to earn a decent income there will be less crime. You think ou are not privilaged, try living in an impoverished community of color for a while. Guess what they are doing right now? Getting of their asses and making a difference, calling for change to improve the communities

scottva

I'm in favor of pulling the statue down on two conditions:

1. It falls directly on some BLM guys head that is helping to tear it down

2. BLM asks the public to say prayers for the guy the statue crushed.

Karma's a Beech.

Guest

BLM will now accuse the statue of a racist attack and demand reparations.

Biden will agree.

amerigirl

S you are promoting harm to others that don'r think like you? Disgusting.

pual mase

Sounds like he supports consequences for criminal behavior.

Or are you suggesting these criminals are the peaceful protesters you like to defend.

amerigirl

So you are promoting harmful activity also? Low. Did I say that they were? Nope. Nor are they the cops that have all the allegations of police brutality, up over 50 just in LA.

Voltaire

AG--Los Angeles (both City and County) is a rough/tough area to police. Further, the LAPD (thanks to Chief Daryl Gates) and the LASD (thanks to Sheriff Sherman Block) instilled a militaristic tough approach to policing to deal with the gangs/violent environment that LA has. Not real surprised that there were that many complaints. LA isn't the LA of Jack Webb/Joe Friday anymore.

KK153

sometimes people get what they deserve

amerigirl

That would be up to the court system, not you.

amerigirl

So the guy standing below it deserved that even if he wasn't touching it? Please never go into law enforcement or the judicial system.

Democrats are the Confederates

All of those statues that you want to remove are statues of democrats, think about it, the left wants to eliminate its own history, why?

Guest

Good point!

amerigirl

YES, a thousand times yes! Democrats and republicans switched platforms, Those statues represent people who if live today would be republican, but that doesn't matter at all. What they represent is one race placing ownership over another race.

A thousand times!

Well, in that case, democrats clearly have ownership over blacks AKA "the democrat plantation."

amerigirl

That makes no, zip, nil nada sense. Have you looked at who the supervisor for Loudness county or sterling is?

pual mase

AG now claims the power to re assign political affiliation of dead people to avoid undisputed facts. Stretching truth until your comments are incomprehensible.

Democrats have no ideas except divide, deceive and deflect to gain power.

AG faithfully echos the vacant democrat lies.

amerigirl

Pual, your ignorance of history is astounding. Do you really not know about the platform change or the“Dixiecrats"? talk about changing history.

Your explanation for the dems reads like a biography for trump.

You are a lying sack. PROVE ANY of it to be a lie, I dare you

Guest

AmGl Repubs have always been for the black population getting the most out of life. The Dems switched from keeping black people down completely to saying they want to help but still keeping them down.

amerigirl

Wrong. Please give an example of repubs advancing the quality of black lives and don't make it back in the days when the platform changed.

ace10

Think about this for a moment...

When you read those comments from a certain someone who is always talking about forcing people to move to West Virginia. And sending people to Maryland. And running people out of town. Down to Alabama, and such.

Because others don't believe the in the same things they do.

Always talking about "Revolution."

Please do realize that this type of sick thinking hasn't always been just the idiotic ramblings of a sad person on the internet...

Lenin had the same idea. His "Revolution" created the gulag. Stalin perfected its use.

Adolf Hitler and his Nazi party... they didn't like the Jews, so they sent them away. Millions of them.

Castro's revolution. Yeah, he had no problem murdering thousands of people who didn't agree with hm.

Mao and his "revolution?" Plenty of "re-education" for the wrong people.

Those LTM comments *sound* like just silly ramblings, but the underlying hate is real. Incessantly shouting about a "revolution" is serious stuff. History tells us that.

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ace10

I'm not talking about a "movement." Reading isn't a strong point of yours, but what is?

The poster has advocated for violence and forcible relocation of those with whom they don't share beliefs. You stating otherwise, doesn't change that. No matter how many times you repeat it to yourself.

As for the Arab Spring... I suppose you'd like to see tens of thousands dead (opponents only, of course) here in the U.S.?

How about you take you stupidity and deposit it elsewhere? If you're going to defend this poster for the hate he spews day in an day out, then you're just a bad. If not worse, having demonstrated your eagerness to defend virtually anything as long as the perpetrator has a (D) after their name.

Good bye and good riddance.

amerigirl

Ace, I said it was a movement, Which you and your ignorance don’t seem to be able to understand, so much for your reading skills and comprehension. Nobody wants to see anyone dead, how utterly stupid of you to even say that. I as comparing it to the type of action, not the result. Where is this advocation for violence and forcible relocation of those with whom they don't share beliefs? You have spewed more hate in these articles than most of the other people commenting combined, so give it a rest. People have read your comments and there is no way to take someone complaining seriously about hate when everyone of your post calls people names and degrades them, What is the Good bye and good riddance BS are we having the good luck that you may not be posting anymore?

Voltaire

AG--the individual that Ace10 is referring to has made several references that support the premise of violence. For example, on June 13, 2020 @ 1:33 AM, the individual stated the following: "...Tell your boys in the pickups that got arrested today for harassing folks in Richmond, they got off easy. Me and my boys were about ready to handle them." Another illustration is on Jun 9, 2020 @ 2:29PM "....The best part of it is that none of you, and I do mean none of you will be involved in the upcoming debate on the changes we will see in this County," On the question of moving people, the individual stated on Jun 9, 2020 @ 2:29 PM the following: "Thank God. But West Virginia’s Governor has a new slogan. West Virginia is for racist. So those of you who don’t fit the new Loudoun County, please leave and on your way out take Liberty University and Patrick Henry College with you." So, how are you supposed to interpret these other than how Ace10 is describing them?

Oldbroad

There is a 36 meter obelisk in a Malta of Mussolini. The Italians felt after having survived they had no reason to "delete" their history". Their feelings are that to destroy a monument or statue is a sign of weakness or fear, not strength. Perhaps we could ponder the strength they show. I grew up seeing that statue, he was a "soldier" representing loss, he took no sides. I truly think that were there to be an honest and fair referendum, it would stay. As someone else asked, are Monticello or Mt Vernon next, and yes, they were slave owners even back then.

Voltaire

Oldbroad--thank you for your comment. It appears that the countries of the Old World has a greater appreciation/respect of history. I am not surprised at all.

Guest

When you go to the official blacklivesmatter.com website to donate, the URL at the top for payment goes to secure.actblue.com

Still don't think this is a Democrat National Committee operation? SO CORRUPT.

scottva

Thanks Guest! My 17 year old son was just telling me about this. He came across it but doing research on BLM, you know Liberals, to understand all the facts and develop an informed opinion all on his own. Take a lesson

amerigirl

You need a lesson. Actblue and Winred are biased fundraisers not political organizations.

scottva

1000%, DNC is listed as a donation recipient, right there in black and white or whatever the saying has been changed to today

amerigirl

Because the DNC uses ActBlue fundraising group just like the GOP uses WinRed to collect funds that have been donated and then they distribute those funds to the people are causes they were collected for. They are both software companies. I can’t believe you guys are making a big deal out of companies that are fundraisers and trying to say they are political organizations. They work for political organizations.

Guest

Anytime you donkey blue malcontents get caught at anything, you whine "I can't believe". Oh, the outrage!! LOL

amerigirl

Guest caught at something? You are sadly wrong! It is you that doesn’t know the difference between a fundraising group and a political party. Guess you got caught. Stop you little righty tighty conniption fit and whining because nobody said any of the things you said they did. Typical republican lies to cover up mistakes. You must be laughing at yourself. LOL

Guest

ActBlue is a nonprofit technology organization established in June 2004 that enables Democrats, progressive groups, and left-leaning nonprofits to raise money on the Internet by providing them with online fundraising software. Its stated mission is to "empower small-dollar donors".

Guest

It means democrats are part of the violence and crime BLM is promoting. Anything for votes.

amerigirl

Oh so wrong, because it looks like many of the rioters were with alt-right groups. They had little come join us tweets saying how to dress like Antifa and wreak havoc. Donboy jr even retweeted one before twitter removed them. When they were arrested they were run through a database that confirmed what groups they were with. There were proud boys, 3%ers and boogloo boys. Try again.

amerigirl

WOW you don't seem to understand how money works on the internet very well. ActBlue is a nonprofit technology organization established in June 2004 that enables Democrats, progressive groups, and left-leaning nonprofits to raise money on the Internet by providing them with online fundraising software. Its stated mission is to "empower small-dollar donors". Wikipedia. It is not part of a Democrat National Committee operation. It is a left leaning fundraiser. It is not a political organization. The GOP fundraising group WinRed. They handle monies associated with causes and are not actual political groups.

Guest

Why don't you people who want to tear down the statues, build something for once in your life. You are great at tearing things down but have added nothing to our society. Keep patting yourself on the back and maybe you will actually believe that you are doing something good.

Lawman

Guest What you hear that sound: bump bump bump another one bits the dust and another one down, another one down, another one buts the dust, hey we gonna get you too, another one bits the bust. The Revolution is being televised!!!

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Lawman

Coming from you that’s a complement. Look at the pictures of all those LEADERS in Loudoun, Minorities and women. That’s because we put in work. Just the beginning. Your eyes may water and your teeth may grit, but none of this power you and the other fools in this comment section will get. We float like a butterfly and we sting like a bee and only my back side as I pass you by on my way to the front of the line you Guest shall see. Keep writing comments, I got work to do, watch our headlines in the morning. The Revolution is being televised son!!!

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Voltaire

Lawman--you find me a "LEADER" in those photos then I will look at it. I don't see one among them. Further, as a member of the 1% club, I got all the wealth and power that I need and I don't need any from you, thanks for the offer. I got my power and wealth all by myself through hard work and saving. You keep pontificating while I keep building up my portfolio and growing my wealth. Simply Grow up.

scottva

Isn't another one BITES the dust and another Bites the dust and not bits and buts? If the revolution has literate soldiers like you, I think we'll be alright, can't spell so I'm guessing a map or GPS is out of the question. Whew!

Lawman

Voltaire if you have to brag about you ain’t got it son. You don’t own the Walmart just because you are a greeter. You boys enjoy yourself. Just came back from Richmond, such fun. Tell your boys in the pickups that got arrested today for harassing folks in Richmond, they got off easy. Me and my boys were about ready to handle them. If you watch the news this weekend, the Revolution is being Televised!!

amerigirl

That makes you what? A wise A$$

amerigirl

Why is it you spend so much time attacking the people posting instead of arguing the issues?

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Voltaire

Lawman--how do you know what the assets I have? Answer is that you don't but it is easier to make cheap shots from the back row. I do have it and, contrary to popular opinion, I don't have to prove anything to you, and I can brag about if I so choose as I am proud of my accomplishments. Why not? You're bragging on some premises that are about as real as a $3 bill. It is very obvious to me that you don't know zip squat about economics and finance/investing. As I said, you keep on living in fantasyland and I will keep managing my investment portfolio and accumulating wealth and that's how the game is played. BTW, don't you call me "son" as I am not your son.

Guest

Hey lawman

You gonna loot a TV so you can watch your revolution?

amerigirl

Racist

amerigirl

Why, You have to make a racist statement like that, Low life slime.

Guest

"You People"??

Voltaire

Guest--agree with you on the usage of "you people". Just as offensive as calling someone "boy" or "son". Good grief.

amerigirl

We are, we are building a tolerant society where all men are created equal. You keep living in the past because with that attitude you would never catch up.

ace10

Does the editor of LTM and these politicians understand the difference between a "Confederate monument" and a "Confederate soldier memorial?"

One only has to read the words on the inscription to learn which one is in the center of Leesburg:

"In memory of the Confederate soldiers of Loudoun County, Va. Erected May 28, 1908."

amerigirl

Then it should be n a civil war graveyard, not in front of the courthouse. Only half of Loudoun sympathized with the south , why are only half of the soldiers recognized? Move it somewhere else.

ace10

So the "Spirit of Loudoun" Revolutionary war memorial belongs in a graveyard? Same for the "Heroic Dead of Loudoun County," the memorial for WW2 and Korean War veterans?

Don't forget about the WW1 Soldiers and Sailors memorial. Of course that would have to go.

And, using your logic, we can't leave the MLKjr marker because, you know, he's not among the living.

Your arguments are so weak. So poorly constructed.

amerigirl

OH COME ON! You don't know who fought for this country and who fought against it? All those are memorials to soldiers that dies fighting for this country idiot.

ace10

Your argument was soundly defeated. I'm sorry.

At least you didn't lie. For once.

amerigirl

Ace you can be so idiotic, you think you defeated what I said? What is wrong with you. I don't need to have that feeling of victory like you do . BUT you are saying to tear down memorials of soldiers that fought for America. As everyone knows the confederacy fought against the US. My god you only need 2 brain cells to comprehend that. Please say you at least understand that, I could care less if you want to call it a win for you.

ace10

Chasing your tail on these arguments. Dogs eventually figure it out and stop.

Good grief, you've changed your angle three times, and each one hold less water than the previous.

I'm laughing at your stupidity. It doesn't necessarily make me feel good, but I cannot help it.

amerigirl

Ace, you are pathetic, you don't know who fought for the country and are memorialized with "Spirit of Loudoun",WW2 and Korean War memorials. They were the USA forces. How insane is that you don't understand that and think people are calling for all memorials to come down. The confederacy fought the USA and lost, time to get over it. Give a sane explanation on why the other memorials would go? My angle hasn't changed. You just try to get a win no matter what. Example saying I was a liar because I said my husband did the grocery shopping and you swore, what about 10 times that I lied because he was sick. You said that in a post in June because I mentioned that he had coronavirus in March. Like he was still sick? and you called me all kind of names including a liar about 10 times because you can't realize that people get better. No apology, no nothing, you just keep calling people liars, saying they are wrong, calling them stupid and dumb because of thing that you can't understand, and they just because people don't agree with you, you have no credibility anymore.

Lawman

Take it to Balls Buff and let it watch over the confederate soldiers and move on. All these hysterics won’t change the fact that it is going!!!

Guest

African Americans score lower than European Americans on vocabulary, reading, and math tests, as well as on tests that claim to measure scholastic aptitude and intelligence. The gap appears before children enter kindergarten and it persists into adulthood. It has narrowed since 1970, but the typical American black still scores below 75 percent of American whites on almost every standardized test.

Johnny

Wow, you are unapologetic racist! To bad you’re a coward as well and won’t use your real name. So Einstein, if blacks score lower as you claim, prior to schooling is it genetic? How did it get better then? Is it possible that better access to education and opportunity helps? I’ll wait...

scottva

Using "Johnny" is no different than someone using "Guest". Unless I'm mistaken, Johnny isn't exactly a unique FIRST name. How is what Guest said is racist? That's right, facts are racist. Try looking into the facts Ronny

Guest

Blacks blaming whites for their underperformance is the real racism.

Blacks accusing whites of privilege instead of making it on their own as other blacks and minorities had done time and time again is racism.

Blacks committing crimes and blaming the cops for the consequences is racism.

Blacks confiscating public and private property to make racist demands is racism.

BLM, the NAACP are the most racist organizations of our time.

Keep electing racist democrat politicians and watch the country divide and destruct.

amerigirl

If you are gong to use the Brookings study, (nice job of cut and paste) you should include why and what can be done about it. When black or mixed-race children are raised in white rather than black homes, their pre-adolescent test scores rise dramatically.Predominantly white schools seem to attract more skilled teachers than black schools, but while black students who attend predominantly white schools probably benefit from having better teachers, this advantage seems to be offset by the social costs of being in an overwhelmingly white environment. Don't you think that it has something to say about the quality of education in low income areas?

LoudounPulse

There is likely a lot of truth to your testing scores. But that truth is masked by the fact black Americans aren't receiving the same level of education as Whites. It's hard to have high test scores when the education of students is unequal.

But attempts to make claims that black people are just dumber than white people fails to explain all the highly intelligent black Americans who did receive a quality education and score extremely high on these tests. Your remarks fall into the same zone that tried to say black people couldn't fly airplanes because they lacked the cognitive abilities to understand complex things.

I bet you the black Americans enrolled in LCPS score far higher on these tests than black Americans in DC public schools. Which only proves its the quality of education not the skin color of the student.

Voltaire

Loudoun Pulse--I wouldn't put a lot of faith in standardized testing as there are people who are really smart but don't do well on tests. For example, there is a big debate about whether the SAT is an accurate measurement of success.

Kim

Guest, you are the epitome of a racist. What’s disturbing is when I read through these comments, what I see is you go from trying to make an illogical point to attacking and name calling. That is not an “intelligent” way to debate. You prove your ignorance in your words.

scottva

You tell them Lawman! Word has it a George Floyd and Sharpton statue will be put it it's place. I'm a big fan of the police and first responders, however, if your handle of "Lawman" means you are/were a cop, then we're all in trouble or thankful you're not anymore.

Guest

It’s a typo... it’s not “Lawman” it’s “Smallman”.... I’ll leave you to draw your own conclusions

amerigirl

Once again attacking the person not arguing the statement

Tony Fasolo

I agree--this statute was erected years AFTER the civil war ended and it was positioned so that any blacks would be intimidated. If it is to honor the confederate soldier , then place it at Balls Bluff Battlefield.

Lawman

Nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, GOODBYE!!! The removal will be televised. Next topic please!!!

Guest

African Americans score lower than European Americans on vocabulary, reading, and math tests, as well as on tests that claim to measure scholastic aptitude and intelligence. The gap appears before children enter kindergarten and it persists into adulthood. It has narrowed since 1970, but the typical American black still scores below 75 percent of American whites on almost every standardized test.

Guest

Let’s talk about your culture. Why is it so violent and undereducated? Why do 75% of black kids not have a father in the household?

Lawman

Boy you can’t bother me, I am too busy figuring out which statue we tearing down next. The Revolution is being televised stay tune cuz!!

Guest

So being a lawman - how do you feel about black officers being targeted in these riots? The revolution is televised and law in order will win in the end

Voltaire

Guest--"lawman" is actively violating Federal code through advocating insurrection/rebellion. Do you really think he is a "lawman"? Get real.

Guest

Boy? How racist. Your television must be broken

amerigirl

Vol, I think you went a tad overboard saying lawman was violating Federal code through advocating insurrection/rebellion. He is not going against the authority of the United States, these are state by state decisions and protests against state police.

Voltaire

AG--OK, I might have gone a tad overboard saying lawman was violating Federal code through advocating insurrection/rebellion. He is just citing revolution and not specifying who he is revolting with. If, as you claim, he is not going against the authority of the United States, then I will withdraw my statement about violation of Federal code.

amerigirl

Do you think it' because they have a lousy education system, less opportunity fro gainful employment? Who needs men anyway.

amerigirl

Let's talk about your culture, did your parents raise you to be that hateful and racist? Have you been instilled with the sense of white privilege?

Voltaire

How about the arrest of you for violating Federal code for advocating rebellion. Sounds like a good topic, no?

amerigirl

He has to be rebelling against the US, not a state police dept.

Voltaire

AG--as previously stated, I withdraw my complaint concerning Lawman's advocating rebellion and violation of applicable Federal code.

Jeanne T

Del. Ibraheem Samirah (D-86th) said, "Millions died for our unity, today, in the civil war, and we most glorify their martyrdom by, at least, not glorifying their murderers."

"Millions" did not die fighting the civil war. Not surprising that Samirah uses the word "martyrdom."

ace10

The man is really good at inciting hate. The rest.... not so much.

amerigirl

In who? the right?

ace10

Only a disgusting monster would defend an antisemite. If the shoe fits, then please do wear it.

amerigirl

Only a disgusting monster would defend an calling him an antisemite

ace10

That's a quality retort. You know you're lying. But you double down on it anyway.

Do you know what The Big Lie is?

amerigirl

Ace calling people liars for things you can't comprehend again?

ace10

The Big Lie. Do. You. Know. What. It. Is?

Guest

Samirah , most divisive politician in Northern Virginia , talks about martyrdom as a means to unity. This guy is scary.

Guest

He would know a thing or two about evil and racism. You know, his "death to Israel" past.

amerigirl

Can you be anymore racist?

amerigirl

Pretty racist thing to say, but you get your news from that anti-muslim guy anyway, Not surprising you would say that.

Jeanne T

"you get your news from that anti-muslim guy"

And who would that be?

amerigirl

The one you said gave the news about all the damaged churches, I don't remember is name

Jeanne T

"you get your news from that anti-muslim guy anyway"

"anti-Muslim guy"? Did you come to that conclusion by actually reading Daniel Greenfield's articles, or did Snopes or a Google search tell you that? Tell us what specifically you disagree with in Greenfield's article. Did the incidents he cited happen, or not?

Your comment is juvenile even by your standards, amerigirl. I "get news" and information from many, many sources. And there is nothing "racist" or "anti-Muslim" about pointing out the curious reference to martyrdom by Samirah, who is Muslim. Islam is not a race, it's an ideology, and a political one at that, which governs every area of the lives of its adherents. Furthermore, the concept of martyrdom, i.e., dying in battle, is a tenet of Islamic theology.

Judging from your own previous comments here that reveal a cavalier insensitivity and indifference to the suffering of Christians around the world (e.g., "what difference does it make that they were Christians?"), I could come to the conclusion that you are "anti-Christian". And judging from your characterization of Daniel Greenfield, a Jew, I might also come to the conclusion that you are anti-Jewish. However, I'm not going to make such an absurd assumption.

stopit

Buffington (no show at so many meetings) has the most ridiculous idea. Let's just move the statue to Kirshner's yard.

BLT

You do have to admire the way it took Kirshner many paragraphs to come down on all sides of the issue and end up saying nothing. There could be a future for him in GOP politics.

loudounwatcher

If anyone could give me a reference to the purpose of the statue that shows deliberate intimidation was the purpose, take it down now. If the purpose was to memorialize the fallen of Loudoun County, leave it the hell where it is.

BLT

Now, now, your profanity suggests you think it should remain. Spend maybe three or four hours researching the Lost Cause movement at the turn of the 19th century. As the Civil War (oh, alright, the War Between the States) veterans were dying off, this romanticizing of the rebellion took hold. Conveniently, nostalgia for old Dixie also put what were called Negroes at that time, in their place. Won't take you too long to realize all this stuff is connected...and it's was all designed to reinforce, normalize and institutionalize white supremacy.

amerigirl

You mean half of Loudoun. That's right, only half of Loudoun supported the south. I don't know what type of reference you are looking for, but look at the statue. It is an armed confederate soldier, supporter of slavery and injustice to black people standing guard at a courthouse that represents justice. I also suggest you watch your language, some how you squeaked by the editors, usually they will edit or not post comments with foul language.

Voltaire

AG--not everybody who fought for the Confederacy owned slaves and/or supported slavery. That's a blanket characterization and wrong.

amerigirl

I know that because owners would actually send their slaves to fight for them. It still doesn't change what it stood for.

Voltaire

AG--fair point.

chrisnich

What I found even more enlightening than the (mostly similar) carefully worded responses was the list of "leaders" who dodged the question. Part of leadership is taking firm stands, even when you know that some people won't like your answer.

cdtmom98

BUFFALO SOLDIERS took part in the Genocide (America's Holocaust) of millions of American Indians. The most atrocious battle was their part in the massacre at Wounded Knee. Over 300 unarmed men, women, children and infants were slaughtered at this battle. For a people to come out of almost 200 years of exploitation and slavery and immediately after the Civil War ended, they joined the U.S. Calvary to fight and murder Native Americans, was the ultimate betrayal. The truly sad part of this whole situation is that we had men, the descendants of the victims of racism, becoming the champions of the the right to display the very symbols of racism that once oppressed their ancestors are prominently displayed in the National Museum of African American History & Culture as well as various Monuments and Statues across the West. Blacks who participated in the battle at Wounded Knee were awarded medals of honor for their part in the massacre. Is there really a difference between Civil War statues and Buffalo Soldier statues?

Virginia SGP

Are you trying to say there are virtually no truly "innocent" demographic groups throughout history? And in the future, there may be justifications for calling all of us evil? Hmm, that throws a monkey wrench in this plan. I wonder if our predesscors had already figured this out when refusing to erase historical monuments.

Jeanne T

Correction: The number of American Indians (the proper term) killed was not in the "millions".

cdtmom98

Does it matter if it was millions or hundreds of thousands or thousands? You missed the point. It was probably a hoax, right? American Indian lives mattered, too! "Ignorant" can't be cured.

amerigirl

Who said anything about American Indians? I think you read the entire thing wrong.

BLT

You must feel like a human pretzel after twisting your way through that bit of whataboutism...

Guest

Craziness just feeds Craziness and the lost continue to be even more lost. The Hatred is getting worst and what a true disservice to the history of the Slaves of this country. The focus is the USA is the problem and this needs to be discussed to help others understand this is not just one country with a history of Slavery. And the question needs to be asked to the BLM and others: If your ancestors had not sold slaves to the new America then they would have been sold to some other part of the word. You also have to ask the Black Community in what country has the Black Community advanced the most or not advanced much? All countries supporting slavery for so many years have done serious harm to all colors. But if we look at the USA the Black Community has accomplished more in the last 50 years over thousands of years. The destruction of the History will not advance the agenda but only erase the true stories that have made Black people who they are today. For all Black people I am sure most of your ancestors who paid the price to be a slave in this country would be proud they helped you advance better here than in other parts of the world. A HUGE timeout needs to be taking in all communities to come together to reflect on the incredible accomplishments and not the missteps of a select few.

BLT

How can you type so well with a hood on?

Guest

...and stop leaving your KKK flyers around Leesburg, it's over.

Guest

You will not get reparations regardless of how hard you try to guilt people into giving you reparations.

Guest

How do you type so well with blood all over your hands? Doesn't it make your keyboards sticky?

Guest

So slavery is good as long as you are sold to the right country? That is as insidious a concept as I have seen. The point is no slave should have been sold anywhere. Talk about craziness...

Guest

George Washington was a slave owner, therefore the Washington Monument should be moved where no one will see it. Mount Vernon should Be closed. Washington DC should change it’s name, same for the state of Washington, all towns, counties and people named Washington. Same for Jefferson, same for anyone in world history that owned slaves. All American history books that mention slave owners should be outlawed. The color white should be banned and excluded from the English language. Since the Declaration of Independence was written by a slave owner, it should be banned, same for the US Constitution and any other historical document or decision in US history. All of this makes perfect sense to me but then again, I could be a nut job.

Voltaire

Guest--if we go with your premise, then we can conclude this nation's experiment with "self-governance" is a failure and should petition the British Crown to return to being part of the UK. I am sure that Queen Elizabeth II would take that offer. Then you can see what a real class system is.

Virginia SGP

Can we at least agree that everyone would be better off if no African slaves came to the Americas? Too bad nobody could convince Ali of this.

Guest

Wasn't that the point of Liberia? A place in Africa to send them back modeled after the US.

Voltaire

Guest--you are correct. Liberia began as a settlement of the American Colonization Society (ACS), who believed black people would face better chances for freedom and prosperity in Africa than in the United States.[6] The country declared its independence on July 26, 1847. The U.S. did not recognize Liberia's independence until February 5, 1862, during the American Civil War. Between January 7, 1822, and the American Civil War, more than 15,000 freed and free-born black people who faced legislated limits in the U.S., and 3,198 Afro-Caribbeans, relocated to the settlement. The settlers carried their culture and tradition with them. The Liberian constitution and flag were modeled after those of the U.S.

amerigirl

Liberia, with the mortality rate of these settlers recorded human history, was a voluntary program which I'm sure they regret to this day. We don't send anyone back where they came from. How could you even make such a racist remark. Surely you have got to understand that the blacks that live here are US citizens and should be afforded all the rights of any American.

BLT

Confederate statues like the ones in Richmond, the former capital of the Confederacy, or the smaller monuments like our soldier in Leesburg that mark courthouses and town squares across the South, are visible reminders of a time when white society was nearly united in its subjugation of blacks. Erected decades after the end of the Civil War — as the white South began to codify segregation and disenfranchisement into Jim Crow — these statues set in stone the triumph over Reconstruction and the effort to make the South, and the nation, a democracy. And they marked the spaces in which they stood as essentially white territory.

springerdad

Since LTM has the attention span of a puppy I will provide a Covid-19 update.

As Northern Virginia moved into Phase Two of reopening, with hopes for a Phase Three by the end of the month, data Friday continued to show a decrease in the rate of new cases of COVID-19 in Northern Virginia and hospitalizations statewide.

The region adding 173 new cases, with 564 reported statewide. That puts Northern Virginia's share of new cases at 31% — through most of the pandemic, it has been higher than 50% of the total.

The 7-day average for new cases has fallen from 685 cases on May 31 to an average Friday of 307 — lower than at any point since April 22.

Gov. Ralph Northam announced Thursday that most of the rest of the state could enter Phase Three as early as June 19. That could mean Northern Virginia moves into Phase Three a week later, June 26.

Locality Cases Hospitalizations Deaths

Loudoun 3,280 204 70

Statewide Hospital Data

Hospitalizations: 1,026 (down from 1,069 and lowest since at least April 6)

Peak Hospitalizations: 1,625 reached May 8

Patients in ICU: 297 (up from 273)

Patients Discharged: 7,002 total

Voltaire

SD--thank you for providing this update.

Loudoun4Trump

Instead of being destructive and burning books, tearing down statues, and boycotting paw patrol, the leftists should really focus on the education system of black communities in democrat strongholds that have failed these kids over and over and over and over.....but tear down a statue to dead Loudoun soldiers if it makes you feel good.....wont help the plight of african americans....a good education will!

David Dickinson

Education is a problem for Democrats. The Party wants to force people to stay in the government run schools to support their union backers. The Black community strongly wants charter schools. While strides have been made, the Party is still boss and Demcrats rufuse to back the educational choice that so many Americans want.

Virginia SGP

That is the very definition of systemic racism. Preferring affluent white teachers over disadvantaged minority students.

Voltaire

Virginia SGP--your premise is flawed. Not everyone who works in public education is a "affluent white teacher".

Guest

what's wrong with Paw Patrol?

Loudoun4Trump

The lead paw patrol character is a policeman so obviously it must be taken off the air....this is the reasoning of the useful idiots....personally that phrase should be updated to the destructive idiots....

amerigirl

Speaking of idiots, I can't believe you fell for that stupid right wing lie. It has not been cancelled, it was just another inflammatory statement made by the right. Let me update that, the lying right.

Voltaire

Guest--nothing.

Guest

This LTM article gets a rating of D-. How convenient that 95% of the people asked are Democrats. So sick of the bias, hatred and racial connotations toward a monument that was erected in honor of the soldiers from the South. Being a native of Loudoun and having my GG Grandfather fight for south, (WHOM BY THE WAY DID NOT OWN A SINGLE SLAVE HE WAS A SIMPLE FARMER WITH 10 CHILDREN TO FEED) is truly heart wrenching. Just ludicrous.

Jalessa

They asked every elected official in the county their opinion. It just so happens that the majority are Democrats and a number of the Republicans didn't answer their questions. Perhaps they were ducking it? Only one of the Republicans brave enough to answer thought your beloved statue was worth defending.