Loudoun Conservatives for Joe Biden (LC4B) has fielded some good questions lately as to why conservatives would be joining such a cause as this. I'd like to answer some of them.

First, LC4B has never argued that the president is unfit for office for moral reasons in the traditional sense of the word. Thus, we have not been interested in arguing about his morality or immorality.

We are likewise uninterested in arguing about the morality or immorality of Joe Biden. Going down this road would be wrestling in the gutter, amidst the grime and the stench. We, and America itself, are better than that.

In fact, since the beginning, we have only argued that, as a demagogue, Trump's politics are immoral. He does not fit the imperfect yet grand American experiment in self-government – he ruins it. Whatever good conservative policies have been promulgated are overwhelmed by the destruction of our beloved political institutions. This resonates with conservatives who have an eye on the long game, such that this government will not perish from Earth.

Second, many imply or come right out and say that the Republican party and the Democratic party are proxies for God and goodness on the one hand (Republicans) and the devil and evil on the other (Democrats). We do not agree with this at all and reject it as fatal politics: Our Republic cannot endure such a division. Both political parties are made up of ourselves, our neighbors, our friends and our families, and both have sins and goodness within them.

Lastly, and relatedly, in all of this we must remain friends. While the imperfect yet grand American narrative deserves our concentration and best efforts, we can also be at peace that there are more important matters about us, around which we can rally. As Isaiah said, "Nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance … all nations before him are as nothing; and they are all counted to him less than nothing, and vanity."

Chris Stevenson

Purcellville

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ace10

28 of 63 comments appear to have been posted by a bot. When someone trieds that hard to defend the a serial groper and possible sexual predator who is the subject of this letter, you have to wonder about their motivation.

pual mase

usually those with the biggest mouth have the smallest brain

amerigirl

You must be having a a moment of self reflection.

LetsBreal

Oh looky here! Just coming over the wires. A list of Obama administration officials who participated in the 'unmasking' of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn has been released by Sens. Ron Johnson and Chuck Grassley. The names include former FBI Director James Comey, former CIA Director John Brennan, former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, and former Vice President Joe Biden. Say it ain't so!!

amerigirl

You need to fact check that before you keep that conspiracy theory going.

workhardgetahead

Conspiracy facts Ameribot

amerigirl

work, I see once again you have nothing to contribute to a real conversation so you just attack the person posting. Get a life or at least learn about the articles so you can make informed comments. That one is pretty stupid and very ill-informed.

workhardgetahead

Amerigirl, you are blind to facts. You are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to your own set of facts. PLEASE READ AND TAKE IT IN. Laws were broken by members of the Obama administration. Unmasking for political purposes.is a Felony. Spying on an opposing presidential campaign is against the law. Feeding the American public disinformation may not be against the law but its unethical. The Obama administration and the Democratic Party are responsible for all of it. THESE ARE FACTS, NOT JUST MY FACTS .So, do you like apples? Well how do you like those apples?

amerigirl

Work, and you are blind to the truth, the real facts. The unmasking had to do with communications made by people with Russia, who at the time Obama didn’t know who they were or he wouldn’t have had them unmasked. The same day, 12/29/17 that Obama was expelling 35 Russians from the US for spying Flynn was making phone calls with Kislyak. That doesn’t seem like a matter of national security to you? How would the dems or Obama know who they were investigating that were dealing with Russia until they were unmasked? Do you think they were mind readers? It was even more important then to investigate Flynn about his Russian dealings since he was the national security designate for trump. You can’t have a person it that position that is dealing with foreign powers. THESE ARE FACTS. Apples, how childish. Do you like real facts? Maybe stop taking your news from Brietbart and investigate the rumors and fantasies.

More Cowbell

Amerigirl, you're lying because I know you don't work Intel. More and more facts coming. The media will have egg on their face for backing some these Criminals.

amerigirl

Cow, no I don’t work intel, as I have said many times, I am retired. I can read articles. There is nothing in that statement that you yourself cannot access. More and more fake news is coming out.

amerigirl

So, you think Flynn shouldn't have been unmasked? It was a matter of national security. According to a memo from National Security Agency Director Paul Nakasone, the unmasking requests in the Flynn case were approved through the agency's "standard process." What is the big deal? It’s not like anyone in the Obama admin could have known who it was or they wouldn’t have asked that they he unmasked. They wanted to know who the person was that had all the dealing with Russia. Unmasking is not illegal, identities in intelligence reports occurs thousands of times a year, according to data from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. You guys act like this was a sin when it was a big nothing.

LetsBreal

Democrats and the Obama Administration were using the FISA system to surveil their opponents for opposition research and to change election outcomes via the federal apparatchiks. You know it. Everyone knows it. This was about furthering Hillary's position to win 2020, nothing else.

No surveillance on Hillary, though, with her internet connected personal home server having classified information dumped on it. So convenient! That definitely doesn't violate 18 USC 793. No surveillance of her and her staff destroying evidence during an ongoing federal investigation or Bill Clinton walking on to the DOJ corporate jet to have an ex-parte discussion with Loretta Lynch, Head of the DOJ while an ongoing federal investigation of his wife running for president was ongoing.

Correct, unmasking is not illegal. When you surveil opponents to make sure you win an election, it is illegal. But then again, I guess it was just the Strzok/Page "insurance policy" if Trump won as per their texts.

What else would they do? Surveil Associated Press reporters and journalists? Nahhh, that never would happen. Obama and Holder were strictly by the book. They would never wiretap and monitor folks to keep power and get out in front of political narratives. Oh...wait...

ace10

That was a heckuva smackdown.

pual mase

Leaking Flynn’s name to the press was illegal. Another fact AG conveniently omits to defend the poser-in chief Obama and his corrupt minions

amerigirl

Let’s, Do you remember what trump said about that? On April 25, 2019, Trump said that his original allegation of "wires tapped" was not literal, and that he really meant: "surveillance, spying you can sort of say whatever you want". Trump also said that his allegations were made "just on a little bit of a hunch and a little bit of wisdom maybe" If the people were not in contact with Russian operatives there wouldn’t have been a problem. The day(12/29/18) that Obama was throwing Russians out of the country for spying Flynn, who was the National Security designate for trump, made several calls to Kislyak, that sure sounds like a matter of national security.

Why would they have surveillance on Hillary, she was not in contact with Russia. Nothing she did was illegal, nor was it when Colin Powell did it. Are you trying to turn everything into some big conspiracy theory?

The reason the unmasking of Flynn happened had nothing to do with the trump campaign. How could it if they didn’t know who the person was that was in contact with Russia at the time? It’s not like trump doesn’t unmask people. He unmasked 16,721 people in 2018 alone. Keep power? There is a term limit on being president.

amerigirl

Pual, yes leaking to the press was illegal. The problem is it was a leak, ask your master leader about those, he has more in his WH than Nixon had with deep throat and his other leaks. Until you can find the leak you can’t prosecute the leak. Why do you point things out without saying what they are? How many of Obama’s people went to jail? Now compare that to the number of trumps.

LetsBreal

AG, I wish you knew what you’re talking about. It’s difficult to discuss this with a person who has no idea what they’re talking about, but tries fervently to mash pieces together to excuse poor behavior and rationalize what can’t be. This paragraph does not mean President Trump unmasked anyone:

“There were 9,217 unmasking requests in the 12-month period between September 2015 and August 2016, the first period in which numbers are publicly available. The period was during the latter years of the Obama administration. The number rose during the Trump administration. The 9,529 requests in 2017 grew to 16,721 in 2018 and 10,012 last year. “ - Federal News Network

You can’t infer from that how many people a request concerns, if it’s multiple requests for the same person/entity or if it’s by date or some other value. All you have is a raw number of 16,721 requests. I have no idea of how a request is measured. I don’t even know what agencies are involved and don’t want to know. That’s info I probably don’t need to know, since their sources and methods are probably classified. But it’s kind of like claiming ‘but I turned over hundreds of thousands of emails, even though there’s 33 thousand I didn’t’ (paraphrasing). The number doesn’t matter. It’s the contents that do, and it’s not up to your lawyer to decide what evidence gets turned over to he FBI in a federal investigation. It concerns state secrets and national security. It all gets turned over, unless you’re a Clinton. Bottom line, your premise is wrong.

What we do know is a declassified document that came out on Wednesday from ODNI shows all the people that were listed as eligible to review info concerning surveillance on Flynn, and Flynn was a political enemy of the DNC… just like all those conservative organizations that were conveniently harassed by the IRS for their causes and beliefs. BTW, are Lois Lerner and the other political hacks that were involved in that scandal still collecting their government pensions? Why?

The surveillance of Flynn was predicated on a document (the infamous dossier) which was paid for 50% by the Clinton campaign and 50% by the DNC. That’s from testimony to the House Intelligence Committee by John Podesta, which was just released last week. See his testimony at the House Intelligence website and look for Podesta’s testimony, page 13. It’s all public info. I don’t post links here, because they never seem to get printed.

Colin Powell did not have his own email server and he did not post CLASSIFIED information in his email. Shame on you for the false equivalency. Also, I assure you no one would ever receive the favorable treatment Clinton did if they set up an email server in their house connected to the internet and dumped classified information on it. No one. The FBI would not have “no go” zones when questioning people like Hillary and Cheryl Mills. Anyone else with the same behavior would be detained, jailed and investigated by counterintelligence folks until the cows come home, and then they would be charged. If evidence disappeared, they would be charged with evidence tampering, destruction of evidence in an ongoing federal investigation and a litany of other charges. There’s a double standard. Your claims ring hollow, as usual.

“I know that people across the country are following us on social media as well. By the way, you may have seen that I recently launched a snapchat account. I love it. I love it. Those messages disappear all by themselves.” - Hillary Clinton, December 2015

Today’s DNC is crooked as a dog’s hind leg. When they die, they’ll have to be screwed into the ground.

More Cowbell

Yep, dozens and dozens about to be indicted, include a loudoun resident, Andy McCabe. We are cleaning house of all the past traitors, that decided to break the law.

amerigirl

Didn't they try that before? What do you think they are gong to charge them with?

LetsBreal

The following EIGHT women have come forth with complaints against Joe Biden: Alexandra Tara Reade, Lucy Flores, Amy Lappos, D.J. Hill, Caitlyn Caruso, Ally Coll, Sofie Karasek and Vail Kohnert-Yount. Additionally, swimming in the nude regularly in front of female Secret Service agents was creepy and garnered Biden no fandom.

amerigirl

Eight? Trump had more minors than that accuse him of rape at Epstein parties. Rede, well I filed a complaint, maybe it's not in the complain. doesn't remember jack. Flores, if kissing the back of someones head is a problem most of my family is going to jail. Personal space at best. Lappos rubbed noses, what a sin, personal space. Did any of these people tell him they were uncomfortable with or didn't like being touched? As far as him skinny dipping, tell them don't look. These are such minor things that I tend to think you are justifying your actions in voting for trump who is a real sexual predator.

LetsBreal

Amerigirl, what happened to "believe all women" ?

Don't you just love all the Biden touchy/feely memes? Are you not entertained?

workhardgetahead

Hypocrisy is on fine display here y'all. If democrats didnt have double standards they'd have no standards at all. Good job Amerigirl, you've officially been exposed

LetsBreal

That's your answer to the Secret Service agents? Don't look?

ace10

Defending the indefensible. Absolutely disgusting.

amerigirl

Let's, only an idiot would believe all of any group of people without checking. If you think that those memes are bad then my parents and many other people would be in big trouble. Doesn't the Access Hollywood video bother you? or the fact that there have been lawsuits against trump for molesting underage girls? Or the rape allegation against him was by his ex-wife Ivana, who in a deposition in the early 1990s described a violent assault by her husband in 1989. Trump’s team, seemed to be implying is that a man has a right to sex with his wife,regardless of his level of violence or her protestations. Disgusting. Then he threatened the reporter covering it. More than 20 women have accused Trump of sexual misconduct Does it bother you that the idea of a possible rapist sitting in the Oval Office? You voted for him. Affectionate touching, they can easily say they don't like being touched, rape is a whole new story.

amerigirl

Work, do you really believe that all dems think the same, we are not sheep like the trump followers. Nothing hypocritical about that. You think you are being smart when you make those ignorant statements, y'all

amerigirl

ace10 Defending the indefensible.That your new line? It seems like your new practice.

More Cowbell

Amerigirl, you're are going to be in for a real shocker when many under Obama are indicted, even Obama has enough criminal acts to be indicted, along with a list mentioned above. And the reason more hasn't come out is because this is being kept at high level. Joe Biden will not be the democrat nominee because of what will come out in a few months....

doverboy

What I find scary about this person's idea of Conservatism is also what I find scary about our current society. the idea that "If you don't agree with me you are wrong" is not how we have open discussion and is certainly not a means to arrive at agreement. I find the current state of affairs repulsive in Washington DC, but I cannot in good faith vote for any party that wishes to excuse student debt, giving a pass to people who choose not to become citizens, want more handouts or a national free wage, free healthcare.....all at the expense of people who go to work. Our current situation is NOT a time to railroad through extreme measures of income equality.

romano

is there anyone out there that really believes this guy is a conservative? lol. He's been posing as one for the past couple of years but only an idiot would really buy it. Conservatives would never believe what he does, and they certainly would never vote for a liberal buffoon like Biden.

amerigirl

sure, just like all the people in the Lincoln Project, like Conway, right?

LetsBreal

"Going down this road would be wrestling in the gutter, amidst the grime and the stench." It stands to reason then that the Kavanaugh circus that dragged on for months was also unnecessary. Unless, there are different standards for different people, which means the Equal Protection clause doesn't hold water either. The lack of consistent standards are disturbing and becoming more magnified. Make up our minds for us.

amerigirl

I'm starting to think thee are, democrats have high standard and republicans have low to none.

workhardgetahead

No, you have double standards

amerigirl

No work you have double standards, HaHaHa

workhardgetahead

Well, in the words of Chris Plant, "If Democrats didn't have double standards they'd have no standards at all". And Amerigirl, I know you aren't a Republican.

amerigirl

Work, seriously, Chris Plant? Like he is an authority on anyhting? That same line has been used forever by just substituting any group of people into it, Very lame.

workhardgetahead

Amerigirl, I'm actually surprised you know who Chris Plant is. He actually is a purveyor of real news.

amerigirl

work, Chris Plante is very ult-right. He lies all the time. Most of his news isn't news it's left bashing. He has a personal vendetta with CNN after working for them for 17 years. I think when he saw the pentagon get hit it scared the sanity right out of him.

amerigirl

Chris the Supreme Court also not deserve it? It's not that , I just don't capitalize a lot of things. maybe you noticed that sometimes it's even the start of sentences, if it doesn't auto-correct I don't worry about it. If it has a mark to be corrected I go back and do it because those red lines under words get on my nerves. It's nothing personal. In fact many times trump doesn't auto correct because it is a word that doesn't need to be capitalized.

LoudounMarine

Sir your editorial is unconvincing and a pure waste of time to read ... you provide no factual basis for your claims

amerigirl

That's why it's called an opinion.

amerigirl

Sally, who always believe the female is telling the truth?? There is no given especially when you have people like Jacob Wohl around creating lies for the republicans about sexual misconduct. What a low life.

workhardgetahead

When's Justin Fairfax going to be investigated?

amerigirl

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SallyA

What happened to the #metoo movement where you always believe the female is telling the truth?? That's surely the way it worked in the Brett Kavinaugh case, so why should it be any different for Joe Biden?

workhardgetahead

If you support Biden you arent conservative. If you elect Biden you get Bader Ginsburg, Sotomayor and Kagen type judges. Sorry Mr. Stevenson, you arent a conservative.

amerigirl

Maybe he's a republican, a real republican. Not a Nationalist like trump. Besides it's not for you to say what he is.

workhardgetahead

Neither is it for you to speculate what he is. A Conservative would never support Biden unless he was running against Hitler or Stalin. A Conservative is smart enough to know if you vote for A democrat you dont get the great judges appointed the courts like Alito, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. If you support democrats you get activist judges such as Sotomayor, Kagan and RBG. Mr. Stevenson needs to think before he pulls the lever for Biden. The Judiciary is the only thing keeping this country from a becoming a liberal, Communist Utopia

ace10

So YOU can assign labels, but the rest of us can't. Hypocrisy much?

amerigirl

work. It is not my speculation. It is what they themselves have said. Work, have you lost it? Hitler? Satan? That is what you consider a conservative to be. Not all conservatives fit your form. It is quite possible for a conservative to see what trump has done and not done for the US. What is the rant Communist Utopia?

workhardgetahead

No conservative would vote for an Obama democrat like Biden. If Mr. Stevenson votes for Biden he'd have a hard time convincing anyone hes a conservative.

amerigirl

Ace, can you read, the author assigned his own label, trump assigned his own label, What a stupid comment saying I did it. Then call it hypocrisy? Didn't I say "it's not for you to say what he is". You must work on your reading comprehension.

ace10

Biden(D) has pledged to not only stop enforcing immigration laws but he won't even deport illegal aliens unless they have been convicted of a FELONY. And the letter writer, who claims to be a "conservative" is okay with that? Good grief.

workhardgetahead

Let me get this straight. Illegal means its against the law. So if you are here illegally you are breaking the law, correct? So if you are here breaking the law you should be deported to the nation of your origin. Biden is not for enforcing the law. He is for the lawbreaker.

amerigirl

Wow, so he supports people who have committed misdemeanor crime. I bet you have even committed a misdemeanor crime. ever gone over the speed limit? With a few exceptions, undocumented workers enjoy all of the legal rights and remedies provided to workers by federal law, so take them to court. Better yet fix the immigration system.

ace10

Only a lunatic would believe that if I invade a sovereign nation, and then break their laws, I should be allowed to remain. Why have laws? Good grief, you make me sick.

workhardgetahead

Amerigirl, just listen to the first part of what you said.

On the 2nd part, I cant believe I'm saying it, but we agree on something.

amerigirl

Ace, I tell you what the law states and you say I make you sick? What is wrong with you. I didn't write the laws and you have to get nasty with me. Pretty perverted. Of course if you invade a sovereign nation they would have a problem, it's an invasion. How absurd.

LoudounClear

If you don't address the moral rot that Trump has brought to our government then you're ignoring 90% of the reason he should not be re-elected. C'mon, I'm sure there are many in the GOP who find Trump's corruption disgusting. Well, a few maybe. I mean I hope so...

pual mase

Actually, when I think of moral rot Schumer, Pelosi, Schiff, Comey, etc. come to mind.

Throwing out unsubstantiated labels of moral rot and corruption to justify your partisan views is weak and dishonest. As we learn of Obama and company’s complicity in the illegal Russian hoax scandal, the dems are exposed as the unethical crooks they are.

amerigirl

How is that? Please enlighten us with what they have done that is immoral. You just throw them out as unsubstantiated labels of moral rot and corruption to justify your partisan views is weak and dishonest.

How was Obama complicit in the Russian investigation? If you think the Mueller report was a hoax then why is trump trying so hard to block it? All the way to the supreme court.It looks like you never read the report,I have a redacted copy of it and, dear pual, you are so so so wrong.

pual mase

The dems and their cronies in the FBI, , the corrupt house, intelligence agencies and media destroyed the lives of Flynn, Page and others based on illegitimate investigations using bogus “evidence” that they knew was false. They lied about it for years. Obama was in the loop and may have directed it. The dem house of cards is crumbling.

Chris McHale

amerigirl- curious why you capitalize Obama and Russia but not Trump or the Supreme Court. I know this is not just a typo as you do it in many posts.

amerigirl

Chris, he doesn't deserve it. But that's my opinion.

Chris McHale

Does the Supreme Court also not deserve it?

workhardgetahead

There isnt any corruption. Read the released intel interviews. The only corrupt ones are the democrats.

amerigirl

Please read the Mueller report that trump is trying to block. There was tons of corruption and collusion.

workhardgetahead

Ah, no there wasn't. The Mueller investigation was created on a false premise and democrat corruption. Mueller was just the face of that investigation. Andrew Weissman was the one that actually ran that investigation. At this point Mueller isn'tqualified to run a trash detail. After watching that testimony he gave it was apparent he didnt have the capacity to run the investigation. He probably couldn't spell FBI even if you spotted him the F and the B.

amerigirl

I think you better read those reviews. How could you not see. Why do you think trump has gone ll the way to the Supreme Court to try and block reports?

amerigirl

Ah, yeah there was. Why do you think trump is trying to block it? Why do you think they refer to flynn's memory gaps? What about the ex-justice employees are wrote an open letter saying that Barr had "assaulted the rule of law" and calling for him to resign? It states "Make no mistake: The Department's action is extraordinarily rare, if not unprecedented," the letter says. "If any of us, or anyone reading this statement who is not a friend of the President, were to lie to federal investigators in the course of a properly predicated counterintelligence investigation, and admit we did so under oath, we would be prosecuted for it." More than 1,950 former Justice Department employees who served under Republican and Democrat leadership had signed their names to the letter.

workhardgetahead

What corruption? You mean the corruption from Clapper, Brennan, Rice, Power and Farkus. The corruption where under oath they admitted to no collusion but in the media they were spreading disinformation saying there was collusion? That corruption?

Wake up!!

amerigirl

please show an article where anyone of them said there was no collusion. That was trumps first claim and it was so wrong that Mueller had to come back and set the record straight.

workhardgetahead

Look at thier sworn testimony. Every single.one of them said there no sign of collusion but contradicted themselves in the media. They told.the truth under oath when it mattered but lied to the media to spread disinformation.

amerigirl

Work, even if sworn testimony is true for those people it just means they weren't privy to it. I have the entire Mueller report I can go through it.The part you are not seeing is the damaging for trump part and he is trying to get that blocked through the Supreme court. He doesn't want you to see that part. The only good thing is since part of it was released it will be hard for him ti block the rest.

ace10

No conservative would EVER support Biden (D). He's pro-BIG government. He (now) supports the murder of unborn babies. And he supports the confiscation of firearms. That's three strikes. He's out. Not to mention he's quite possibly a sexual predator. And let's not overlook his rather obvious cognitive difficulties that were on full display during the debate/primary season. Methinks I smell a RINO.

DavisB

Trump is pro big govt if you have been paying attention - more, out of control spending, more interference in personal lives, less protection for the "less than 1%", more treating the job like a king - nothing small except the hands

pual mase

Davis seems to overlook the unprecedented job creation across the board including all minority groups. He seems to overlook the unprecedented deregulation that got the government out of meddling in peoples lives. The “treating the job like a king” and small hands comments don’t deserve much comment other than they the musings of a small mind.

amerigirl

Pual, That unprecedented job market he can thank Obama for. He should thank him for the great economy he inherited too. Obama knew how to get the economy going. He sent out stimulus checks to all the right people. Trump sent them out to people in Europe, thousands of foreign workers, and dead people while millions of American citizens can’t even get theirs. That ‘all the best people’ that he has working for him. That deregulation was a farce Their deregulatory push is premised on a series of demonstrably false claims about the costs of regulation, defies public opinion and major campaign promises, and represents a craven attempt at self-enrichment and payback to corporate donors. In fact, robust regulation and enforcement are essential to economic prosperity. The only small mind is trumps.

DavisB

paul - Ace posted about big government - yes, jobs were here (now they are gone) but at the expense of expanding the deficit and growing gov't spending - and continuing with the question of big govt, what could be bigger than Trump's perception of the role of the president? If you are going to participate here, stay focus on the conversations or start your own

amerigirl

I guess it depends on what you call big govt, which I would rather have any day over these gun toting idiots that call themselves militias. Yes, he is pro-choice. Guess what, that is the law. The only guns he wants away from the public are assault rifles, as do over half of the country. That is good presidential material, one who speaks for the majority. That sexual predator stuff is so much BS. One person claimed he did something to her at a convention when he wasn’t even in the state. Tara Reade keeps changing her story, she filed a complaint, then it wasn’t in the complaint. Her best friend is probably Jacob Wohl the sociopathic right-wing wannabe operative who has attempted to concoct bogus sexual assault smear campaigns against everyone from Robert Mueller to Pete Buttigieg. That’s how the republican party works. He’s not a republican what is this RINO BS?

ace10

You're right. We should ***definitely*** believe the guy who has PUBLICLY grabbed, kissed, squeezed and fondled children and women. All those cringe-wrthy videos and photos must be deep fakes.

amerigirl

Ace, you must be talking about trump.

ace10

Nope.Talking about Biden (D) the serial groper. Unless you really do think that all those pictures are fakes.

amerigirl

Conservatives did because of the 'Nationalist' Trump has made so many bad decisions.

They are conservatives not trump sheep.

amerigirl

Please show me a pic of biden that was anything more than a friendly gesture. You think putting your hands on someones shoulders is abuse? Look at your own idol trump and what he said he does. No comparison.

ace10

Defending unwanted touching. As long as it's by a (D).

workhardgetahead

Bidens new 2020 slogan, a tipoff of his and Obama's 2008 slogan. Instead of Hope.and Change its Grope and Change!!

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